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On March 03 2015 08:02 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Inclined to gut townread FF, geript, and HTS. Energy and whatnot. Tubesock is kind of off-kilter so no townread for him yet. Merh. Wait-and-see. How in the fuck is HTS town? Really? Really? Based on energy? Have you seen her previous games? | ||
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On March 03 2015 08:03 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Why? She seems kinda towny thus far. =/ Well sure, if you're bad at meta you can say that. Maybe I should just let you be bad. | ||
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On March 03 2015 08:03 Tubesock wrote: What's off kilter mean? I mean specific to "Woot!"? Opening is pretty similar to her mafia game where I coached her. I also find it a bit interesting that she's not really around. IIRC (althought maybe it was rsoultin), I wanted to kill her in another game she was mafia in. | ||
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On January 05 2015 09:12 Half the Sky wrote: Negative, LS, about as straightforward as this can be. We need to burn scum before they burn us. Reminded me a bunch of this. Very over the top while doing nothing. | ||
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On March 03 2015 08:11 IAmRobik wrote: Hi confirmed town. My name is Robik. I would like to join your ranks. 1 post. Confirmed scum. Get rekt! | ||
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On March 03 2015 08:14 Damdred wrote: ##PRESS THE DEVICE Its here for a reason we won't be pansies so lets do this! Also geript is the most obvious town in the thread Just wait until D2. I'm confirmed mafia then remember? | ||
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Confirmed lack of critical thought. Robik confirmed on his own account. | ||
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On March 03 2015 08:17 Damdred wrote: This time I won't go all retard, and we both came around last game so we have made progress in our relationship But aren't you married? I don't fool around with married guys, sorry bbycakes. | ||
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On March 03 2015 08:21 Onegu wrote: Ok don't worry Ill listen to you. But I always listen to Rayn also. That's a weird post from you. | ||
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On March 03 2015 08:31 raynpelikoneet wrote: not to mention your tunnel was town, geript..... And... I tunnel town all the time. All the ticking time Rayn and you know that. It's my peripheral reads that are good. Like take southern??? I was tunneled on some random shit but wanted to lynch the fuck out of shining. Shining was mafia. Or student V? Where I was tunneled on OWS but wanted to lynch Slam. Or where I tunneled Kurumi but who did I call you back to tell you specifically that on meta they were 100% mafia. Hunh Rayn? Hunh? | ||
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On March 03 2015 08:35 raynpelikoneet wrote: fuck you geript for saying something i can't even comment on because the other game is still going on. you are being annoying. Then Comment on why Onegu needs to be tucking shot. | ||
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On March 03 2015 08:40 Fecalfeast wrote: I want to shoot you for arguing about nothing. Does that make me mafia? Fuck if I know. I can't read you for shit. | ||
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On March 03 2015 08:40 raynpelikoneet wrote: maybe you should tell what you actually want to do because people might not undestand you if you don't, okay? I want to shoot HtS and Onegu. Is that clear. Onegu isn't happy or carefree. He's also ignoring a bunch of shit. He's clearly mafia. | ||
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On March 03 2015 08:51 Alakaslam wrote: What if I rando shoot for the  of BH?I'm actually very okay with this. | ||
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I'll tell it later. But it's pretty devious. But I can't do it until later. | ||
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It's weird, while I'm pretty unsure of Rayn I actually think that the other people I'm ok with taking a shot are:rsoultin, Damdred, Slam. Like maybe your mom too. But those three are definitely town. | ||
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On March 03 2015 09:47 rsoultin wrote: -bounces- Okay, okay, so we're doing this then. Good ^^ geript geript geript...are you saying rayn is scum or kosh is scum, or saying rayn is bussing kosh? I *could* be wrong on both, but that's really unlikely. I don't thing scum Rayn busses scum Koshi. They're both not doing things that define their town meta. Like that's really important. I think of the two, Rayn is the more likely to flip mafia but at this point it's hard to tell because there's a world where Rayn is town and Koshi is one of the 3P but I don't think the reverse is true. Im just really sad that the only blues I can hunt this game are 3P. | ||
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On March 03 2015 09:59 Fecalfeast wrote: That is kinda funny. Are you saying this because they add more volatility to the game and could cause a swing? If we shoot the ninja, they absorb the shot and the other ninja kills them removing them from the game.. Meeehhh I'd rather hit scum No. It's not the volatility. I'm assuming 3P won't die because of vest. That means we get to remove at least 3 KP from the game off the bat in addition to removing 2 people who don't really give a fuck about who they lynch. | ||
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On March 03 2015 10:10 rsoultin wrote: those shuriken are 1-shot? if they're 1-shot then nah I don't really care about ninja Read OP. They're 2 shot and go through everything. | ||
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On March 03 2015 10:07 Toadesstern wrote: I've been ninja before. They tend to be pro town as surving lynches, when the only way to die is getting lynched gives you a boost to win the game because you can just outlast your opponent and win that way even if you don't figure it out. I also took 3 mafia bullets on n1 and n2 as a third party ninja by nature of being that townie. Trying to lynch third party is MASSIVELY anti-town. They're not using their shots to randomely shoot into town and unless we waste a townshot on one of them like today there's no downside to having them alive and let mafia shoot into them. The last game I saw this was with VE and BH I think. Where VE got lynched after a missed shot I think. Like them potentially soaking up KP is possible but unlikely until D3-4 unless one of a handful of people get it. There's also the aspect that if they're a good/decent player, they can suck up roles/powers given by the spirits. Like if they get medic or vet it's pretty useless. Tracker would be useless too. Louie them remaining in the game leaves more room for mafia to hide in and has far more potential to fuck up town than help town. Assuming all 4 shots go off, odds are they only hit 1 mafia. Maybe 2 if we're really lucky. Imagine if like batsnacks, Slam, Mocsta or LS got the role though. Like shit would hit the fan real fast. Like that's the really important thing. Is it they're ever about to be lynched then they 100% will fire indescriminantly and likely hit town. This isn't even considering them presumptively killing people to get them off their back. The roles are super wifomy. Like I remember Kita shooting someone as 3P 10 minutes before a lynch to try and get multiple people killed and they could manipulate things that way too. Like they're really really bad for us unless they never shoot or only shoot perfectly. two things we can't count on. | ||
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On March 03 2015 10:17 Toadesstern wrote: this is true as well. Just think about the role for a second. The entire point of it is to find the other ninja so even if you have never played it let's just assume it's difficult because otherwise the role would be imbalanced. It takes days to figure out the other ninja and it's a lot of work. Pushing for a ninja search troop means we effectively stop scumhunting. I can't stress enough how incredibly bad the idea from geript is but at the same time not a lot of people have played ninja on here or have experiences with it so I don't want to fault anyone for it. So let's just forget that. With that being said I need some sleep, see you tomorrow. I'm not saying ninja hunt. Im pointing out that I'm happier lynching/shooting ninja than mafia. like just kill everyone who isn't town. | ||
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On March 03 2015 11:12 Tubesock wrote: My point was more, Geript thought RNG was fine. Then later the vote idea came up, and now he's not at all for an RNG or any type of plan that isn't just him shooting. And then later, he thinks we should hunt ninja's? While I liked his explanation of "not really hunting ninja's but being more happy to have one die to remove 2 non towns in game" it just feels like he's pushing for more chaos. No. I'm fine with Slam RNGing. Im not fine with an RNG shot in general. There's a big difference there. | ||
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I think your idea is really fucking stupid because it won't stop anyone from shooting. | ||
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That doesn't even take into account the randomness of other options. Like what happens when a mayor is elected and lynches someone else? Or what happens if it's a nomination and random shooter dude isn't on the ballot. Like it's really insane play because it can affect the tenor of the game in a way that's really detrimental to town. Like there shouldn't be random shots. People should pretend that they're trying to lynch someone. Like the people who I'm ok with shooting are the people who have tried to push the thread forward in some way. Given reads on people. Etc. like I don't care who they shoot because I'm pretty damn sure they're town (except maybe Damdred who's still reasonably towny). So the fact that people are more interested in talking about stupid peripheral shit than about shooting one of Koshi, HtS, Onegu or Rayn. Or even discussing other targets that's what alarming to me. Like any sort of pressure for these people has pretty quietly dissipated for no reason. It's kinda why I think Rayn might be town to some extent. Not just for pushing Toad a bit but that Toad doesnt seem interested in pushing a lynch. I think Toad buddies differently as town than as scum though. I know he talked about buddying as either alignment but Note to self meta that later. | ||
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On March 03 2015 11:36 Tubesock wrote: But that's kinda the point of it. We talk about who town wants to shoot and everyone in thread at the 24hr mark when shooting is possible shoots for the vote leader. That way the shot is controlled by town. Deferring to you or Slam's RNG target depends on either of you being there at the deadline to shoot before someone else does. With knowing what the town has voted, then more people will hopefully all shoot at the leader and we will have 6+ people shooting the preferred target. What's your less stupid idea? My less stupid idea is to have people get "approval" to shoot. I'd you need say 5-8 people vote for you to be the shooter. Then it's far more like a mayoral election and actually gives information about the backers. | ||
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On March 03 2015 11:51 LightningStrike wrote: Geript can you give me your thoughts so far on HTS and rsoultin please? I just curious on your thoughts on them that's all. I think rsoultin is town. She's like really awful as mafia and pretty easy to read Side note. I remember thinking that Breshke's posts really reminded me of Student v where I metad him pretty extensively. I'd have to look back at my summary but I wouldn't want him shot but I don't get feel comfortable being the shooter. Her play is just different. Idk how to describe it but it's like less stressed or something. Like in both her mafia games I just wanted to kill her asap because she's really bad at mafia. On HtS. She has not made my peepee hard. I will take a deeper look at her town games before I shoot her but the entrance is a big alarm and my first reads in the game I usually get away from despite them being right for really weird reasons. | ||
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I remember you thinking HtS was town or maybe town. Mind explaining that in full detail. | ||
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On March 03 2015 12:47 Damdred wrote: I'm kinda getting a scum vibe from ls, I might shoot him honestly Meh. I haven't seen that at all. I kinda feel bad about calling him bad a bunch in palmers game. | ||
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On March 03 2015 13:12 AT.Epiphany wrote: Hi guys, I am sorry I'm late, but the game starts at 4:30 am in my time-zone. I'm not inclined to be an early riser and in any case for professional reasons that isn't an option. My work requires me to be rested during the day. So first off, before I post anything more substantive, I have a comment about the device. I see a very rapid bandwagon towards pressing it, which I don't really understand very well. The device is unknown and we have no idea what it's impact on the game will be, or whom it will favour. Most of the 'reasoning' I've seen for pressing it can be summarized as 'YOLO' or 'don't be pansy' and similar emotive appeals rather than any concrete reason. One sensible voice pointed out we should guard it until we are behind or doing badly and then press, but he didn't seem to be too invested in the whole issue and didn't pursue it much. He's dead right though; the device randomizes the game, and because town is majority, that itself makes it town favoured. The way we extract an advantage from the device is to gain the ability to randomize the game when it's going badly, not by just saying 'YOLO' and pressing a button, and I'm mildly suspicious of those who started this "PRESS" bandwagon. I really can't overstate the importance of this, and I really want a discussion of this issue and/or responses to it. I'm not attempting to deflect discussion away from the shot, and I'll comment on that in a bit, but this is an important issue and that's why I've dedicated a separate post to it. There is literally no reason not to vote GUARD on the device and I want those who are currently voting PRESS to explain their logic if any. Holy shitpants of saying nothing. This guys is another good kill. | ||
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On March 03 2015 13:31 AT.Epiphany wrote: Do you actually care to respond? I said a lot of valuable stuff and your attempt to dis it just portrays you as scum. Respond if you have any meaningful response? Also, if you could bother to read, I said I am separately commenting on the shot. Sure, you've talked about nothing of any sort of consequence in like the least meaningful way possible. Like there's nothing of any worth talking about there. We have ~18 hours until someone is going to get shot and you're worried about talking about something that nobody knows what the fuck it does. I will be happy to shoot you if this continues. | ||
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On March 03 2015 13:39 Damdred wrote: Usually ls would meta some town reads out, he's really familiar with Hts etc., bit is wishy washy and wants others to do some work. Gave me a bad feeling I've seen similar from him as town. But I get what you mean. | ||
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On March 03 2015 13:41 AT.Epiphany wrote: Ok, so here's the thing, I've explained why it's of consequence. It gives Town (which I'm now doubting you are) a chance to come back if we're behind. That absolutely is of consequence. If you think not, please tell me why. Secondly, none of this is mutually exclusive with scum-hunting, which I said I would be posting on. Your attempt to get the device pressed and to avoid discussion of the topic is very scummy, because the device is unknown and hence chaotic, thereby favouring the scum. As Town we want the chaos only if/when we are losing. Of course you will be happy to shoot me. I am Town, I'm being constructive, and judging by this reaction as well your really suspicious plans and reasoning about how to decide a shot makes me very suspicious of you. Also, I am just as capable of shooting you, so that's an unproductive threat. Ok, so how do you know that it gives Town a chance to come back? How do you know that it doesn't just give mafia uber roles. From helping GreyMist with his upcoming game I have an idea of what it might be, but it's a semi-guess related to pregame. But I can assure you that it's either really, really bad if it's one of them or it's completely fucking random or it's really really bad. Regarding the device you're a fucking idiot if you want to keep talking about this shit. Because you know where this big pile of unknown is going to end us up at? Because I do. It ends up at not talking about HtS and me not being able to read her town games because I'm either talking to a dumbass or mafia. It ends up not talking about how Koshi is essentially repeating 2 of his previous mafia games. It ends us up not talking about how Rayn isn't gaming the system or coming up with some weird plan, or him reading Slam the same way as last game at almost an earlier point than he did that game AND WHERE SLAM WAS MAFIA, or with him not really talking about how Koshi's bully system (lynch any misshot on D2 regardless) is awful. It ends up with us not talking about LS who Damdred finds interesting. So basically it ends up with us not talking about actually important subjects. So motherfucker. What do you think about those actually important subjects which you have totally ignored? You seem to have skimmed along but don't even remember who was talking about what. Why? Why aren't you interested in who you're going to shoot or who you want to shot instead of this bullshit? How can you possibly think that I can even be mafia here? Are you like a complete noob or just terrible? | ||
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On March 03 2015 13:58 Damdred wrote: This is extremely frustrating I am generally confused if scum did this to LS to frame him or if a town pr did it... i'd go with the first, or maybe to wifom us into thinking hes town when hes scum. God... I don't really get your read, but I'll take a look at his meta after my league game. | ||
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On March 03 2015 13:59 AT.Epiphany wrote: Damdred, I already said I would be posting in depth on those issues as well. This is not mutually exclusive but what I'm really trying to drill into people's heads is that this device does matter, and I've posted below in a response to Geript as to why it does. Hmmm why don't I talk about a device that the host would totally lie about and likely works with a new twist at least? Yes, why don't I continue to talk about complete fucking conjecture instead of actually posting about who to shoot. Why? Why Why? | ||
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On March 03 2015 14:01 Damdred wrote: his posts are le gone geript they were the nuked Ever since talking with him on palmer's game I realized how he posts. I found his posts very meandering like how he talks but eh. At the fountain. | ||
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On March 03 2015 14:16 rsoultin wrote: I seem to recall his first post being wary of you, too? He said he sheeped you blindly thinking you were town... SERIOUSLY FUCK THIS NUKED POSTS THING I can't back up my points :/ Nuked posts thing? Sorry what am I missing? | ||
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On March 03 2015 12:40 LightningStrike wrote: OBS can I ask you do some filter diving on rsoultin and HTS because people in here are questioning HTS's alignment this game and rsoultin because I might have paranoia because I really want to call her Mafia yet I had called people Mafia on Paranoia stuff too and they were town and need someone with a outside perspective on them. On March 03 2015 12:25 LightningStrike wrote: Robik and OWS any thoughts so far? On March 03 2015 11:51 LightningStrike wrote: Geript can you give me your thoughts so far on HTS and rsoultin please? I just curious on your thoughts on them that's all. On March 03 2015 08:31 LightningStrike wrote: Hey guys I not going to here for a couple of hours and when I come back I will give you guys my thoughts! Just posting this now if you wondering why I wont be making posts for a few hours! | ||
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Plus in our little spat, like he acted completely differently in thread than he did in pms. In a way that I don't really expect out of him. So it's really weird on that end. Regarding. HtS, her opening is definitely quite different from her town games. But it's like 1 am here. I'll follow up on that more after some rest and I get some medication because my ear is really fucking killing me. | ||
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On March 03 2015 14:56 AT.Epiphany wrote: So here's my scumread on Geript: Every single time he's been Mafia he's far more aggressive and confrontational than he is as Town. Moreover his mafia games have him rapidly suggesting lynch targets and putting out scumpiles pretty quickly. As a mafia (and not as a Town) he invariably pushes multiple targets and acts aggressively. Here as well, he started pushing Koshi and the moment I made my post, his first reaction (even though I said I'm posting on shots as a follow-up) was to scumread me because my post was filler. It isn't filler, the first person to post after me recognized as such, and geript has gambled on being aggressive and unpleasant thinking that people will agree with him because I am new to this forum. Look at his main contribution in the thread. 1) He's tried to normalize the idea that there's no point in trying to reach a consensus on a shot because somebody will shoot anyway. What he's really trying to push though, is the idea that it's normal and ok for everyone to take a shot at 24 hrs and the reason he's doing this is because he doesn't want anybody to gain any information from the shot, which is why he's trying to press the line that there's no point reaching a consensus and then lynching anyone who breaks the consensus. 2) He's then tried to press the nonsensical idea of trying to hunt/lynch the 3P although that makes very little sense for reasons that have already been pointed out. 3) He tries to establish credibility by saying "these are the people I'm ok taking a shot". That doesn't prove anything though, especially since at this point he's done nothing useful except to try and debunk our most useful way of gaining information, which is to try and shoot the guy with the most votes. 4) He's been the one to try and turn the thread into a fight by abusing me (a fight he calculated he'll win because no one here knows me). Ok so let's talk meta. Every single time I've been mafia I've been far more confrontational? What games ahve I been mafia in? Have I never as town pushed multiple lynch targets at the same time? Like your meta of me is really, really fucking off. Explain your shit or die. Becuase I'm not going to get fucking mislynched again because some fucking scrub from some fucking scrubass site comes into my house and tries to lynch me. | ||
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2)I never said we should hunt the 3P. I said I'd prefer to lynch 3P than mafia on D1. Like that's really fucking obvious. Second, anyone who believes that a mafia shot over a 3P shot is preferable is a fucking retard and doesn't know how games like this go. Hell Toad's argument is literally, "Well in one game mafia were retarded enough to spend 3 kp on me." Yet in more games assassins/ninja's/dueling3P roles tend to fuck up town far more than help. Plus, with instant 2 shot KP on 2 different people, we can have exceptionally dangerous lynch situations ala Demon's run where Kita's shots threw shit all out of whack. 3. That's not even the point of having a list of people who I'm ok with being the shooter. The whole point is to have a town controlled shot and hold anyone not on that list uber responsible for their shit. Getting into a universally townread circle while still having to explain the shot is significantly harder than any of this "let's pretend it's a lynch" bullshit that most people will just fucking ignore. 4) There's no fight here. I'm a big boy and you're still wearing pullups. If you're town, then maybe you'd be able to realize why I'm town. Probably not by how you're talking. | ||
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On March 03 2015 15:10 Keirathi wrote: rofl oh god geript, what did you do this time!? Not me. Dude thinks he can walk in here and meta me all wrong. Like I don't think most of my scumgames even show up any more. Like he doesn't even take context of the thread into account at all. IDK man, dude walked in with a stick up his ass. | ||
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On March 03 2015 15:14 Keirathi wrote: Oh sweet, 40 minutes reading meta. We've got an expert here! + Show Spoiler + I'm just fucking around with you, don't get mad! I'm very sad that you don't have a Neil Degrasse Tyson meme with this. | ||
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On March 03 2015 15:24 AT.Epiphany wrote: 1. You really were trying to make it okay to shoot. In fact, you've declared that's what you're going to do regardless. 2. You said "we should try to kill the 3P". Unless you have a way of doing so without finding them, yes you did argue for hunting them. 3. Let's pretend it's a lynch is close to "town controlled" than you making up your pseudo-version of who you think the town is and then giving them license to shoot. That model works much better for the mafia because they have perfect information and are much more likely to get a free kill with no risk. 4. This is exactly how you behaved in one of those games you were mafia. "I am the best player here" were your words in that game. You can get lost with your big boy rubbish, I'm not kow-towing to you so FO. 1. I'm going to shoot because I know town controls that shot and because I have really fucking amazing townreads and pretty solid scumreads. Especially great meta reads. 2. You find 3P the same way you find mafia. Like the only difference is that they aren't on a team. Like there's literally no difference between hunting mafia and hunting 3P. 3. Psuedo version of town? Are you fucking kidding me? It's not a psuedo version. My towndreads are really, really damn good. I don't think I've misread Damdred for a while. I've never misread Slam. I literally have always called for rsoultin's lynch when she's mafia. There's not psuedo version of town. It's town. You aren't in it. Robik isn't in it. Koshi definitely isn't in it. 4. Yes, and I've never ever in any of my town games thought of myself as the best player in the game. Never in a million years. I'd never be salty about getting mislynched by a bunch of noobs for like 5 games in a row after said noobs have been townreading me all D1. Like you want to talk about my meta. Then you'd have known all this from the last game I played. Or the game before that. Or the game before that. Really, you're just another scrub who thinks they can read me and has no fucking clue how. Like I'm really, really fucking easy to read. There's literally not a signle point that you've made that makes me mafia. Not a single damn thing. | ||
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On March 03 2015 15:38 Keirathi wrote: No. You were way worse. I literally wanted to kill myself.  Lol. Jerk. | ||
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I line your point on HtS. That's a really interesting read. Wrong. But interesting. | ||
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On March 03 2015 17:22 raynpelikoneet wrote: Well it is a really accurate way of reading Slam. I never actually read his bits of pushes. It's a lot on tone and how he's playing. So you're really wrong there. | ||
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You know what I mean Rayn. His pushes aren't what ever makes him town or mafia. They're really quite irrelevant because they're the easiest thing for him to simulate. It's his fun factor. How he seeks enjoyment while adding to the enjoyment of others. How he doesn't quite give a fuck and let's go. Like as mafia he's a total puss because he wants to trick everyone but knows that if he does his normal shit he'll get lynched at some point. So he's too scared to really be free. So yah. His pushes and shit I don't read because the content isn't great. There'll be a gem or two here and there as town but that's all you need. | ||
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On March 03 2015 17:42 raynpelikoneet wrote: so which is it this game? Slams town this game Rayn. Ezpz. Would you like me to explain to you why so you can know for future games? | ||
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On March 03 2015 17:43 Kurumi wrote: Hi guys, I'm Chezinu!  Hi CheZinU. I'm a bank robber. Will you open your vaults to me? | ||
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On March 03 2015 17:47 raynpelikoneet wrote: I heavily disagree geript. Mocsta could also be scum. There is one really bad comment he should never make as town. Idk about Mocsta. It's hard for me to focus. There hasn't been any moclogic. His formatting is really different from what I remember too. There's also a raw unmitigated passion I miss but that's not really alignment indicative. But you're really fucking wrong on Slam. It's really funny because this is be the third consecutive time I'll get to school you on the Slam read. Maybe you'll learn to trust my read on him someday. Perhaps. Maybe. | ||
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On March 03 2015 17:50 Mocsta wrote: Should doesnt equivocate to never would. Thoughts on OWS please. Looks fucking terrible as every alignment. Former epic mafia player iirc. Like id tunnel him but I think the last 3 times I've done it he's been town every time. | ||
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On March 03 2015 23:42 raynpelikoneet wrote: Yes Breshke has a really high chance of being mafia here but that would also probably mean Koshi is town which i am not willing to believe yet. Kosi's posting hasn't gotten any better he is just making some weird comments. Breshke is posting and has thoughts and stuff. I'd bet heavily that guys town. Look at his scum games. | ||
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@Rayn. Think about the sprirts. And think about Ssndroba. That's all I'm going to say. Koshi is dead to me. Kita. Idk. I just idk. There was one point he made that I really liked but I forgot it. Idk. Hard to focus. | ||
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On March 04 2015 02:46 raynpelikoneet wrote: well then you are mafia or being stupid because i have presented perfect evidence for my read like for the last 10 hours and you seem to be ignoring it all. There's a different between ignoreing it and having a fucking painful engorged lymph node behind you rea. | ||
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The fact that I'm trying to find good target. What I tried to do with approved shooters I find mom a bit interesting so far bc he seemingly forget my push on HtS. | ||
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On March 03 2015 18:50 your mom wrote: what i wrote about hts still stands and i dont see any reason to switch target. the post about ff looks like it was made to fake contribute, and the answer to the pressure looks like it was made to get rid of pressure. the reasoning for the town tone read on ff is hasty and takes the significance out of her previous post. i dont have to disagree with your reads in order to scumread you. hts is my scumread of choice and you are still a secondary matter, but i cant leave the things unsaid that dont add up in your play. i know you well rayn and i know that if you call somebody scum and people dont agree with you it fuels your ambition to the point that you might just leave the game (for a while at least) when they dont listen. that being said, i dont see why i have to discuss your scumreads with you when you called hts mafia and ignored my reasoning for her being it and called me scum for it, and refuse to answer a cordial question right now. This post I kinda remember reading in catchup from last night. It's funny because the HtS thing I don't really agree with because I like your point on hrs re slam post. | ||
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On March 04 2015 03:19 raynpelikoneet wrote: NO HE IS SETTING HIMSELF UP FOR BLAMING ME NEXT. rofl.  are you guys fucking blind? That only works if you stay HtS. Like he seem semi familial with you. So trying to setup you like that is really dumb as mafia. Because you bounce around. The setting you up argument is bad. Looks really biased Rayn. | ||
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On March 04 2015 03:30 rsoultin wrote: Don't know chez. Does he read like chez? I can't understand most of his posts lol Chez is like a consulate troll. | ||
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Also. I think town spirit should push hard for cell mafia. If possible. | ||
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On March 04 2015 03:43 IAmRobik wrote: His filter IS terrible. But I read his posts and they read super genuine to me -- especially when he says the shit about someone shooting him. This is why I hate playing with you. You completely disregard logic for completely shit tier read. | ||
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On March 04 2015 03:44 rsoultin wrote: Seriously, epiphany just said: I don't want to shoot koshi for...no reason YM works cause sheeping rayn long useless rant on why whoever is shooting should have good reasons for shooting who they are going to shoot then peaces out meeeeeeh post and if koshi is town lynch this guy <3 I have a ring for you. | ||
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No. I really liked the point Rayn made on HtS. The slam post was really interesting. Really poignant. | ||
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Because I'm a fucking God at reading slam and Rayn is my wayward prophet. | ||
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On March 04 2015 04:09 raynpelikoneet wrote: I don't like the fact he decided to leave the argument between me and him "undecided". He doesn't really do that as town. Yah Rayn, but just fucking trust me on the goddamn fucking read. Like you know how god tier my townreads usually are. Look at The Game if you want. But it feels exceptionally different. I'd deeply meta it if I real needed to convince you. But I shouldn't have to. | ||
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On March 04 2015 04:06 raynpelikoneet wrote: your mom - kill with fire right fucking now sandroba kita batsnacks i don't know about the rest but somewhere between Onegu/Koshi/Slam/Sepulchre/Damdred/Robert. My order: Koshi--Bitch plz Onegu--I'm actually really glad you brought him up. I had kinda forgotten about him. That's actually quite telling. Sandroba--I think there's better ways of finding his alignment but probably not a bad shot Your Mom--Maybe rayn is right. Maybe rayn is crazy. Those are the only people I really agree with. Robik is kinda tbd but his townlist is pretty solid for the most part I think. Slam's town. I remember thinking Damdred was town. | ||
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On March 04 2015 04:18 raynpelikoneet wrote: ehh are you saying he is not mafia because of your meta read? well that does not work out, he usually steers lynches as town aswell. No like, D1 Bugs made a case on Greymist because GM was busy and he could get him lynched. But like, throughout the game Kita was in and out picking and poking. Like it's not because he's pushing lynches. It's because of like how he's posting. Like as mafia I remember reading him and bugs after that game like 8-10 times trying to figure out what I could improve. Like it's more that his posts don't seem idk directional. Like there's not a clear purpose or agenda that he's trying to make. Rather that he's just try to make points. Like that's what I remember thinking and that's what I find very towny about him. | ||
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On March 04 2015 04:34 IAmRobik wrote: geript, can i shoot hts? i don't wanna have to read her no. | ||
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On March 04 2015 05:03 kitaman27 wrote: More often than not a lazy/afk sandroba equals a mafia sandroba. We obviously can't rely on mechanics we aren't aware of, but leaving him around a day or two and seeing if he follows this metric usually does the trick. Fair. But the last game I know that he played he was super active scum so... I get your point. I still think it's a good shot though because it essentially requires mafia to waste powers/points on Sandroba. | ||
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On March 04 2015 05:18 kitaman27 wrote: Can someone verify this statement? I would but the database post always times out when I'm at work through the proxy and I'm a bit lazy to search manually. For someone who is familiar with his play, is koshi more likely to quit the thread as mafia when he is on the receiving end of pressure? Koshi is more likely to quit the thread as mafia whether under pressure or not. I'm not sure about the specific game SL is talking about, but I can vaguely recall a game where Koshi said he wasn't going to tryhard D1 then proceeded to tryhard D1 and was town. His last 2 mafia games have essentially been him refusing to play in one way or another and blandly trying to not get lynched. So yah, pretty much his scumplay. | ||
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On March 04 2015 00:33 Koshi wrote: I will post absolutely nothing for the next 18 hours. Koshi will not make another post till this countdown is on 0:00 Lynch all Liars. Game 2 EZ. | ||
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On March 04 2015 05:42 kitaman27 wrote: To apply the meta correctly, his behavior this game would need to reflect his mafia behavior. Him playing differently than a previous town game doesn't suggest that he is mafia, which is why I asked. Since you seem to be familiar, is there a mafia game or two I should be looking at to draw comparisons? Also, based on your post you seem to suggest that you think koshi is mafia. You mentioned earlier that you were unhappy about his inactivity, but haven't mentioned him since. Is he your preferred shot target? I think Horn, Golden Sun and 1 other recent one where he was mafia. I forget which. | ||
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On March 04 2015 04:20 geript wrote: My order: Koshi--Bitch plz Onegu--I'm actually really glad you brought him up. I had kinda forgotten about him. That's actually quite telling. Sandroba--I think there's better ways of finding his alignment but probably not a bad shot Your Mom--Maybe rayn is right. Maybe rayn is crazy. Those are the only people I really agree with. Robik is kinda tbd but his townlist is pretty solid for the most part I think. Slam's town. I remember thinking Damdred was town. Remember. | ||
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On March 04 2015 05:49 sandroba wrote: @kita & geript comments on breshke pls I think he's town. I remember me taint him in student v and his mafia play is quite different from his town play. Like I remember him barely posting as mafia not just in count but also much smaller posts. | ||
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On March 04 2015 06:56 sicklucker wrote: Robik can we shoot koshi together? No kill Ls hes lynchbait? + Show Spoiler + team robik! You all can take your shots after I take mine. | ||
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I want you to post your thoughts on the following people: Obiwanshinobi Batsnacks Sepulchre Onegu Oatsmaster | ||
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On March 04 2015 08:41 geript wrote: @Damdred, Rayn, Kita and Sandroba I want you to post your thoughts on the following people: Obiwanshinobi Batsnacks Sepulchre Onegu Oatsmaster Toad you can chime in on this too. I want to bounce ideas off of people and these are the people I'm the least sure of right now. | ||
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On March 04 2015 08:49 Fecalfeast wrote: Most of your filter is prodding at other people and evaluating their reads or summing up what they are saying. You aren't without your own thought, I will admit. Your tone this game reminds me of your tone in titanic where you act like you're trying to be the mediator. Also, I hope a meta expert like ftfy | ||
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On March 04 2015 08:52 Fecalfeast wrote: Thanks, the buttons are right next to each other I'll give you a hint. Rso's alignment starts with the letter t. | ||
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On March 04 2015 09:01 sandroba wrote: @geript I would add kei to that group too IDK. The last game I played with Kei he felt pretty similar early on and I know he's really busy with stuff (school iirc). I'm less interested in him. Plus he made me laugh. | ||
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On March 04 2015 09:04 rsoultin wrote: also in my filter really you guys you sadden me stream-of-consciousness posting is what makes me think he's town, that i'm gonna say everything in my head as soon as it occurs to me with no filter type of posting...and the little nitnoids y'all like to ping him on are just that, little nitnoids that he can do as town or scum FWIW Sandroba, this is actually a pretty good read. You can look at his previous games, but "speaking without a filter" like IDK if I can describe it quite accurately. Like diarrhea of the brain. Game before last scumDP pressure him pretty heavily for it. It gets him a lot of flak. | ||
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On March 04 2015 09:12 kitaman27 wrote: Most of them I'd probably be guessing at this point due to the size of their filters. I'll check back before the end of the night cycle when we hopefully have more to go by. Can you check now? Pretty pls. | ||
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On March 04 2015 08:41 geript wrote: @Damdred, Rayn, Kita and Sandroba I want you to post your thoughts on the following people: Obiwanshinobi Batsnacks Sepulchre Onegu Oatsmaster Damdred. These. | ||
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On January 26 2015 17:02 geript wrote: I've spent the last few hours looking at Breshke's meta. I really don't see him being mafia. Like there are some similarities to both his town and mafia play, but it looks far more like his town game. How he interacts with the thread and reads seems to be the key to understanding his meta imo. Like his mafia games are practically commentary/summary of the thread and I'm not really seeing that here. I don't think I want to lynch Breshke. | ||
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New Years Eve--Mafia Campus--Town Student--Town | ||
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On March 04 2015 15:36 rsoultin wrote: sepulchre I don't like either...but i don't know that someone else looking at him will help lol i think it may just be a stylistic thing for me on that count I kinda agreed on Toadstern's point on him. For being a smurf he's been really unimpressive to me. I don't think Sandroba really ever explained why he has a townread on him in specific. | ||
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On March 04 2015 15:41 rsoultin wrote: do you have a townread on damdred, geript? He felt really town early on. Now. IDK. Looking at his filter he's far less impressive. On March 03 2015 14:01 Damdred wrote: his posts are le gone geript they were the nuked I can't quite explain it, but there's a very flippant tone to this that kinda make me thinks he's town. It's really hard without interacting with him a bunch. Like overall he's been really subpar compared to his standard. But I have no reason to disbelieve him being busy. I think I've seen a similar game where he's been busy town. Off the top of my head I can't quite place it. | ||
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On March 04 2015 15:45 Mocsta wrote: By the way. I dunno if guys will agree but this short convo felt like being in a team. I.e. I got vibes like we trying to help each other out. And no this isn't buddying. Just me being happy enough that I felt like saying something outloud. So what do you think of Breshke now and why? | ||
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On March 04 2015 15:59 rsoultin wrote: The whole LS thing in general sat poorly with me. I know I do this like every game lol >< randomly stick up for LS, and one of these days I'll be wrong and he'll be scum, though I still think I'd be able to spot a difference in his play. Like, I don't know, I have this problem with Damdred where if he's not being super smart in a game I think he's scum. I know that I do this. Which is part of why I want other opinions. Just seems to me that if you're reading your scumread's posts and he says right in there that he doesn't trust you, then you ping him for not being suspicious of you while still being suspicious of others while his posts have conveniently disappeared... lol >< eh I dunnae, kinda sounds out there put into words, cause now i'm wondering why scum would deliberately misrepresent posts that are likely to reappear later. Can you explain the bold because I can't really follow it at all. | ||
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Regarding that post, eh. Like it's really weird how he approaches people. | ||
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On March 04 2015 16:06 Mocsta wrote: hence why I said Maybe not mafia Either way I skimmed the 4 bresche games. He definitely posts more as town, bit more open too. I'm conflicted though because his standard game play is to call people town for loose reasons day1. I.e. I can half agree he is meta resolved for this early on and will self clear through productivity over the coarse of the game Fine. Will drop him So batsnacks posting from the sidelines makes him maybe not mafia???? What? | ||
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On March 04 2015 16:13 Keirathi wrote: It's the "rayn is the best shot in the long run" thing. Not "rayn is mafia and he should die" or whatever. And basically the same thing with Koshi. "I don't really think Koshi is mafia, but I would be okay if someone shot him". It's funny that you bring this up because I had read his big case where he doesn't even call Rayn mafia and thought the same thing. | ||
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On March 04 2015 16:13 rsoultin wrote: Okay not in the same sentence, but I still find it kind of strange he remembered some of the post but not the part where he was actually mentioned. Then again, this post is such a mess lol >< I can see overlooking part of it. What do you think, geript? I'm not quite sure I get your question. I'm kinda looking at other stuff, but I think it's a summary of Damdred making a post where he misconstrues LS' first post. Correct me if I'm wrong. But I don't really see that as malicious necessarily. Like even my memory of games changes. Like if Damdred is mafia, I don't think that's a the reason why he's mafia. Like it's something almost too inane to do intentionally as any alignment. | ||
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On March 04 2015 16:17 rsoultin wrote: Okay, that makes sense. His massive case on rayn was ick. Like, I felt dirty even attempting to read it. It's really weird because it's not even a post on Your Mom being town in any clear way either. Like there's lots of little things really bug me about it. | ||
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On March 04 2015 16:32 rsoultin wrote: Lol you bastards are going to make me actually deep-read his shit, aren't you? >< The physically ill comment was not an exaggeration. I hate it when people feel the need to add verbage to make something look scummier instead of just presenting it straight, and sepu basically did the epitome of that. Okay, give me a minute. Let me twist your arm Rsoultin. | ||
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On March 04 2015 18:29 Onegu wrote: Like if it wasn't for Geript scum reading me I'd have him as another strong town read. Just he is someone I expect to correctly read me. @Rayn if I came out with a scum read on you at this point what would you think of my alignment? It's the same thing with Geript for me. Watching league. Do you honestly think that how you've played the game so far has even been reasonably similar to your recent town games? | ||
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On March 05 2015 00:49 kitaman27 wrote: Prioritizing things I find relevant over things you find relevant. About to go into a meeting, but I'll try to fit it in afterwards. And to be fair, if I'm looking at your list, you better let me know how you feel about Keirathi, Epiphany, Damdred, Fecal, Tube Keirathi I think his town. His play this game reminds me of Slytherin. Like in that game he'd just sort of comment on things both as a point of conversation and because he's interested in them. Epiphany I also think is town. He attacked me in like the most ludicrous way ever. Plus he seems like he really cares about his reads and he's really opinionated. Like when anyone attacks him, then he's really quick to snap back at them. That's something I see far more out of town than mafia. Damdred. Kinda tough to tell. Like as of late Damdred's sort of been a bit happier to play town. I remember early on thinking, "Oh this is happy Damdred. That's town." From then I've kinda kept getting those vibes every time he posts. I also like his reasons for thinking OWS might be town. FF I've kinda ignored ever since Robik townread him. In looking at his filter, it's like wading through shit. The two things that stand out to me are the Kurumi/Chezinu thing and this post: On March 04 2015 08:59 Fecalfeast wrote: If koshi was right about there only being 3mls this game, did his modkill bring us one step closer to the edge? (and I'm about to break) Maybe I've been playing video mafia too much, but I have a hard time thinking that mafia would do something as silly/crazy as the Kurumi/Chez mix up. And the koshi post really made me laugh. For Tube gimme another hour to two. I need to go back and look at a few things in specific. | ||
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On March 05 2015 02:37 raynpelikoneet wrote: ..or rather "who knows why"? I don't need an answer. I know what you're thinking. Here's my question to you, "Why is that obviously a bad awful read that you shouldn't ever be using this game? | ||
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First, in the newbie game while his filter isn't great he has some real gems of insight here and there. Things that really show how he's thinking about the game. Not just the "If everyone's scumreading Shining" post but more like: On January 11 2015 11:17 Tubesock wrote: Even if you read Rsoultin's legacy concerning Silverarte it's like she doesn't want to insult her by calling her mafia since they are friends. There isn't a single towny word in Rsoultin's paragraph about Silver. Like it's a really interesting thought. But I'm not really seeing anything like that this game. That's pretty remarkable to me. Second, in the newbie game he's reasonably opinionated. Like he makes points on people and interacts a bunch. Like almost all of his posts are to someone. I'm going to try and be specific about this but his posts are to the person in relation to the conversation they are having in the thread at that time. Like there's an intended back and forth. Where as this game it's far more of posting at people. Like he's interested in saying something but not in actually conversing or having that back and forth. Third, I remember one of the heuristics used in Boardwalk revolved around who made plans and why. In Boardwalk, there were numerous plans based around picking numbers and what should be drafted where, etc. But I specifically remember someone talking about how mafia were more likely to propose a plan and just let it die. As I recall, I think it ended up getting a mafia lynched; I think it was part of why Gonzaw suspected Artanis. Either way, what I find interesting about his Votecount thing is that he doesn't really push it. He both likes and understands my "people cleared to shoot" list. But unlike, Rayn or me that game there was no constant revision in order to generate a better plan. There wasn't really any pushing for finding the best plan. It's more of a "I'm doing something plan but I don't really care about it." Fourth, This post: On March 04 2015 04:00 Tubesock wrote: I didn't see a reason for him scumming you at first. But later he does, and lays them out. I read Rayn's case and thought that makes sense. I then reread your filter and the first few pages looking at you and skimming the rest, but then I don't see the scum. But I really think Rayn is town. So, I'm conflicted and unsure. It is why I'm not voting you just yet. Geript is doing stuff and interacting a lot. He grilled Epiphany (still even but more politely). He doesn't appear to be afraid to say anything and is pushing an agenda. There's some things he's done that seemed scummy (pushing for chaos with plan rejection and not pushing an alternative, pushing the ninja stuff) but that stuff is either outweighed by or explained by his other actions. It's definitely possible he's scum, but we can't shoot him today. No way. What I find interesting about this post is that finding reasons to call me mafia but doesn't push them. What's more important is he's both buddied me pretty hard at points and both before and after this calls me obvious town. Like that's really, really weird. | ||
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On March 05 2015 03:56 raynpelikoneet wrote: I actually came across to that thought that's really disturbing me on the way to the store and back. I have no fucking idea why i am reading geript town. I'm not even sure whether to laugh or be mad. | ||
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On March 05 2015 04:02 raynpelikoneet wrote: Robert do you seriously think town!geript doesn't have a clear shot target at 24h mark which he has been pushing at least for 12 hours? Because i am pretty sure that is impossible. Yah, because that's exactly how it went down Rayn. EXACTLY!!!!!! Like we've played idk a billion times. How in the fuck can you still not even fucking read me? | ||
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On March 05 2015 04:05 raynpelikoneet wrote: Well you don't really think anyone is mafia geript... Not even true Rayn. Not even close to true. | ||
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On March 05 2015 04:32 raynpelikoneet wrote: LIKE LOOK HOW THE DUDE IS ACTING NOW AND COME TO MY FACE TELLING ME HE IS TOWN WHEN "he didn't wanna shoot on D1".... Fucking geript if you are town i need to re-evaluate if i should play with you any more because you go nuts when someone presents an argument against you... The sad part is you are probably also asshole enough to use this as a cover up as mafia. Me? I go nuts? Really Rayn? Labour anyone and everyone making a case or point on me? Bullshit. Bullshitbullshitbullshitbullshit. I go nuts when people who should know how to read me don't. Eat lead. | ||
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On March 05 2015 04:40 raynpelikoneet wrote: There is literally no way geript is town if he has a gun. Literally no way! Neither of Syllogism & Foolishness is stupid enough to give geript a gun if they are town spirit. NEITHER! If geript has a gun he is 100% mafia and got the gun from mafia spirit. Let this be 100% known. totes true Bullshit. I was universally townread D1. I also had good targets to shoot. Now I've added another. If I were mafia, I wouldn't tell a soul about it. I also wouldn't try to get thoughts on people I was planning to shoot. It'd 100% be extra scum kp. Hell I'd probably hold onto it for a day or two. Maybe the mafia spirit gave it to me. Maybe but I really doubt that. I've played really tucking well this game so I can't see being given KP. | ||
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On March 05 2015 04:43 Fecalfeast wrote: My conclusion is that kurumi is being useless and nobody seems to care Look at the people tow reading him then. | ||
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On March 05 2015 04:53 Toadesstern wrote: 1) Koshi flipped town if you havn't realized yet 2) If you're town you're not telling anyone about it either because if we have powerroles so does mafia. If mafia has powerroles you are essentially a +1 mafia KP because if you hit town (they know who is mafia and who isn't) they'll let it get through while RB'ing / protecting him if he is mafia. Also there's no way to prove wether or not you actually did anything. It was fucking obvious I got cop/vigi power at the start of night. Like mafia would have to be really fucking stupid to not see that. | ||
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On March 03 2015 08:47 Onegu wrote: Lies! You totally wanted my body then said you wouldn't tell a soul, when I said my wife wouldn't be happy. This one. It's one I had forgotten about but he still was way less active, jokey and posty than normal. | ||
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On March 05 2015 05:03 raynpelikoneet wrote: BUT YOUR READS ARE REALLY FUCKIGN AWESOME REMEMBER?!?!?!? And I'm also wrong a shit ton. I've always been far more confident in my town reads than my scum reads. Keep on talking Rayn. Keep on talking. | ||
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On March 05 2015 05:05 raynpelikoneet wrote: You are lying, that post happened about a irl day before you said Onegu is the best shot. Nope I'm not. Around noonish my time I spend time filtering Onegu and looking at his past games to see if I missed something. And I looked at Koshi from the last few. And I was trying to figure out if I was right, who I was right on or if I was just being a dumbass jerk like I was with DP in that N0 game. When I had decided to shoot Koshi he had kinda come back and I was slowly realizing that I was wrong and he got himself modkilled. Like it didn't even sink in at first. | ||
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On March 05 2015 05:07 raynpelikoneet wrote: Like Onegu has a total of FIVE posts, FIVE POSTS! And you "forget about one of them" and have a top #1 (or #2 whatever) scumread on him. You NEVER, EVER called Onegu town in your filter. NEVER. Which you would have done if you thought that post was in fact townie. Because I don't think he's town. And yes. It's quite easy to forget about a random joke post in this game. Especially early on when I was still fucking salty about getting mislynched in like 3 different games in a row and almost in a fourth. Like it's the fucking cool thing to do to townread me on D1 then mislynch me because you think there's some random crazy fucking way I could actually be mafia. | ||
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On March 05 2015 05:19 raynpelikoneet wrote: Like which is it? - It has been a reason you didn't shoot him -> townie post - It has not been a townie posts - It is apparently now a random joke post WHICH IS IT? It can't be all of those. Yet you have used that post as a reasoning for doing two completely different things now. Do you ever fucking listen to me? I read Onegu off of 3 different things: 1. Content-- I don't expect a lot but I expect some 2. Happiness--He really enjoys playing town. He's a lot happier and more jovial when he's town. He'll make lots of little jokes here and there and do shit. 3. Activity--He posts way more as town than as mafia. So yes, a random joke from him, one that's very in line with the flavor of the thread and quite funny is towny of him. The problem is that that's contrasted with a distinct lack of content and a distinct lack of activity. So where he would usually have more jokes/etc he has posts like this: On March 04 2015 10:04 Onegu wrote: So yeah Rayn and Robik being in such huge hurries to shoot makes them both town IMO. I am really kinda behind having just scanned over everything. But since I'm such OBV town it's all good. Which he would 100 make as mafia. Basically a quick in and out and say something and go do something else. | ||
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On March 05 2015 05:26 raynpelikoneet wrote: he is a massive dick if he did what he did at the deadline as mafia. You mean like a massive dick enough to try and use PM's to determine someone's alignment. Because that dick would be you. What's really funny about it is that you did it in Artanis' game. Because you and everyone else knows that Artanis always tells mafia what the VT role pm is. Like that's a massive dick play on top of being a really fucking stupid play. That's what up. | ||
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On March 05 2015 03:38 geript wrote: @Kita. Regarding Tube. I had to go back and look at my summary of the Newbie game and his filter. On length it's about what I expect. He's under similar pressure in that game too IIRC. There are a few things that I note that are quite different. First, in the newbie game while his filter isn't great he has some real gems of insight here and there. Things that really show how he's thinking about the game. Not just the "If everyone's scumreading Shining" post but more like: Like it's a really interesting thought. But I'm not really seeing anything like that this game. That's pretty remarkable to me. Second, in the newbie game he's reasonably opinionated. Like he makes points on people and interacts a bunch. Like almost all of his posts are to someone. I'm going to try and be specific about this but his posts are to the person in relation to the conversation they are having in the thread at that time. Like there's an intended back and forth. Where as this game it's far more of posting at people. Like he's interested in saying something but not in actually conversing or having that back and forth. Third, I remember one of the heuristics used in Boardwalk revolved around who made plans and why. In Boardwalk, there were numerous plans based around picking numbers and what should be drafted where, etc. But I specifically remember someone talking about how mafia were more likely to propose a plan and just let it die. As I recall, I think it ended up getting a mafia lynched; I think it was part of why Gonzaw suspected Artanis. Either way, what I find interesting about his Votecount thing is that he doesn't really push it. He both likes and understands my "people cleared to shoot" list. But unlike, Rayn or me that game there was no constant revision in order to generate a better plan. There wasn't really any pushing for finding the best plan. It's more of a "I'm doing something plan but I don't really care about it." Fourth, This post: What I find interesting about this post is that finding reasons to call me mafia but doesn't push them. What's more important is he's both buddied me pretty hard at points and both before and after this calls me obvious town. Like that's really, really weird. Talk about this. While I go grab a cigar. | ||
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On March 05 2015 05:37 raynpelikoneet wrote: Yeah fuck you. I am using every information i am presented to gather reads. If someone posted their role PM in thread as town should i say they are mafia "because it's not fair to think they are town"? Of course i fucking read what people write in the thread, i "unsportmanshiply" solved the tItanic III game because i fucking knew DP was fakeclaiming and Hopeless was not from the way they presented their claims. So what? Should i have mislynched Hopeless there? Yes i am 100% sure LightningStrike is town here for his claim and don't you dare to throw shit on me for something i have nothing to do with. There is no way he words his post that way without having time to think as mafia. Period. I know it, you know it, and you are probably salty because you just lost a mislynch because of it. But do not fucking blame me for having a read. No Rayn, what I'm pissed about it is that you're using it. For a long time we were both staunchly against using any sort of that shit. Like there's a line between cheating and good play. For me that crosses the line. I think he's town and I don't need that read which btw is extra stupid because Artanis tells the mafia team about role pms. It's a matter of standards. And when I knew you and you were town, you would try to never stoop to that shit. Ever. You even got really pissed about shit like that being in the thread because it ruins the integrity of the game. I have not now or ever intentionally cheated. There was even a game recently where I had that exact thought that someone was mafia because of how they claimed to me. I specifically didn't use it and relied on other things to read that person because it was both against the rules of the game and unethical. I don't cheat. Period. I thought you didn't either. That's what really pisses me off here. That's what really got my goat when I accidently pm'd Marv essentially telling him I was town. Not just that it got him removed from the game but also that I didn't even stop to think about how that could affect the game. I didn't think that it tells him that my slot was town. There have been numerous games in Magic where I've called a judge on myself for an illegal deck presentation because I had a sideboard card in during G1 when my opponent never would've know I had the 4th thoughtseize or that mid storm for 20 I somehow drew the Anger of the Gods or Engineered Explosives which I didn't side in the previous match but somehow ended up in the 60 I presented. I called a judge myself last weekend for accidentally scrying 2 off of Drown in Sorrow (it didn't affect teh outcome at all) but that doesn't matter. It's the principle of it. And I'm hurt that you'd even use shit like that because I thought you were one of the other few people here would never do that shit. | ||
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On March 05 2015 05:44 Toadesstern wrote: why did you guys tell ninjas to shoot a townie? whoever pointed that out... That was Rayn pointing out what Koshi said. Someone else +1'd it. | ||
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On March 05 2015 05:51 raynpelikoneet wrote: you have modkilled yourself multiple times to prove you are town so stop talking about cheating. No. I've gotten myself modkilled because I'm a stupid fuck. Never once that I can ever think of have I ever said, hey look. I'm going to get myself modkilled so that people will know I'm town and take the lynch in a different direction. Not once. | ||
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On March 05 2015 05:59 raynpelikoneet wrote: I still think geript is mafia. 100% mafia or just mafia. | ||
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On March 05 2015 08:52 Tubesock wrote: Toad scummed Sandroba also. I'm not sure what to think about that claim. Geript did say that he theorized that one of the spirits can insta read Sandroba and would grant him powers. Course, I'm suspicious of Geript and am fully aware that he would set up a play to have mafiamate Sandroba fakeclaim. Get's "confirmed" town for being "townread" by that spirit. WIFOM WIFOM but this shit is what makes my Tinfoil Hat Theories FUN! ![[image loading]](http://i3.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/000/554/facepalm.jpg){kind=icon} | ||
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On March 05 2015 09:15 kitaman27 wrote: I'm getting buddied by geript all game. Save me!!! Jesus save s. Evertone esle takes damAge | ||
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On March 05 2015 09:21 sicklucker wrote: Geript you say were bad and wrong but you dont try to explain your side. Its not like the games outcome hangs in the balance depending on if hes fake or not. Oh wait it does... If someone else got powers they should def claim I shot sepulcher last night. | ||
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On March 05 2015 09:21 sicklucker wrote: Geript you say were bad and wrong but you dont try to explain your side. Its not like the games outcome hangs in the balance depending on if hes fake or not. Oh wait it does... If someone else got powers they should def claim It s like real bad plya if mafia. Lik ereally bad play. Immense stupily bad play. Remove s a Amal permanantly. Like I wold ever allow that shitto happwn. Idk. Maybe thers another role clain out there. But I dont see how a good player makes awful ply like that as mafia. Lik sits even a good check. Hard to think he's mafia tho bc mafia spirt would havr to spend role on him or hes making dumbest play ever. | ||
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On March 05 2015 09:28 sicklucker wrote: Like who would give you a gun. But if thats true why do you believe his claim so much? Is it not less likely theres two town roles? like follow the logic. if you claim green on onegu and you're mafia. like there's 1 fewer ML now (who is like being scumread by most poeple). there laso 50/50 if you even get the ML otday. so like unless basgtard hosting and there's 2 mafia in cell. like you basicly confirm your death no lter then D3. | ||
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On March 05 2015 09:42 Fecalfeast wrote: How stiff was that drink, geript? 1 drink. 4 straw. 52 oz | ||
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On March 05 2015 09:56 Fecalfeast wrote: Oh damn I would shuriken you so hard if I were ninja. Dummmmmmmm. I shot sepulcher. He didn't die. No way hes town. | ||
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On March 05 2015 10:00 sicklucker wrote: and im sure sepulcher will kill geribt tonight regardless of his alignment gg geribt Thad be ever more stupid. ID just shirk ken him if I were ninja | ||
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On March 05 2015 09:50 Fecalfeast wrote: ..... If google conversion is to be trusted, that's over a litre and a half. How much did it cost? Also, who in the cell is mafia if it's not onegu or sandroba? Prolly tube. Tepted to vote SL baized on how often he role mafia. | ||
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On March 05 2015 10:27 Breshke wrote: I agreed with the onegu stuff at first but i assume its possible that mafia spirit could give a role such as framer? which would cause onegu to return green even if he was mafia and sandroba is town Frame pls maf plus checked plus cekk. 0.01% | ||
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On March 05 2015 17:30 Oatsmaster wrote: I assume we have 2 cop claims, im not going to read through 100 pages, I dont have time for that. No. | ||
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On March 05 2015 17:55 sicklucker wrote: You guys are so misinformed I might puke. Hes not a cop because theres no roles. Hes claiming he was given the power to check. Which that in itself is suspect since geript claims to have been given veg as well. Or you know... we got powers, we used those powers. Like I don't get why sandroba getting a cop power would even be that surprising, especially if Syllo is town spirit. | ||
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On March 05 2015 18:00 sicklucker wrote: I know but people like oats dont know its a one time thing. There talking like being uncced matters. These are not roles the they received at the beginning of the game. If you believe whats his face claim you should vote tube tho because i have never been more townie in my life Being unCC'd does matter. Do you think think that we don't get a cop power in this game? | ||
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On March 05 2015 18:43 Tubesock wrote: Is there really that much more risk by "checking" someone in the cell than outside? If someone had a cop check on someone and ended up in a cell with them it's an absolute no brainer to claim like Sandroba did. If the check was outside, wouldn't you claim differently? You guys already kinda thought the claim was too casual as it was. Plus, hell I'd gamble that Onegu who hasn't really been motivated to play wouldn't be further motivated with a green check. Now you just have to fight against 2 people instead of 3. Yes. Because mafia want to create a lynch between 3 people instead of 4 people. Especially when the person they're removing someone from the possibility of being lynched. Like it's really ridiculous to me. People get powers. We know this. I know that either someone RB'd me or that Sepulchre is not town because I shot his ass last night. Like Sandro claiming a greencheck on an easy mislynch when he's mafia is pretty insane. Like really insane. Like I can't believe that Artanis would be a Bastard host and have 2 mafia in the group. I think he just worded it that way because he wanted to be able to include ninjas. Like so far only 2 people have claimed getting powers, Me and Sandro. Kita's response probably means he got a power too. I'm guess he got medic because that makes the most sense overall. | ||
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On March 05 2015 18:50 Tubesock wrote: Well, I think though that Onegu being on the lynch table would be motivated to play. Then it makes it harder for Sandroba. If Onegu has a check, wouldn't he be less motivated to play? Just like Robik just now who saw he wasn't in the cell and said he'd be back in 3 days? The risk is motivated Onegu vs unmotivated but forever town confirmed Onegu? Plus, he can be shot at night and that makes it easier for Geript to rationalize him surviving nights. You are literally either fucking stupid and so confirmation biased that you're literally crafting each and every idea specifically just so you can call him mafia or you're just mafia and can't think of anything else to say. You best get the KY. Because I'm going to rip you a new one after I watch starleague. | ||
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On March 05 2015 19:02 Tubesock wrote: I don't think it's that insane. I think it's the only sane play he could make. If Sandroba doesn't claim he dies. Even if he were town he was going to die. How could he survive that many dead town scumreads on him? You think no one is going to pick up on that? That you towned him while Rayn and Toad scummed him? Sicklucker constantly survives to endgame. Onegu is well respected and I think probably tougher to lynch in a cell than any of us in here. That leaves me. I had 4 people towning me, but lots of nulls. I literally think it's more possible that he's town fakeclaiming than he is real. Only play? Like there are a billion different plays he could make. Hell, he can red check anyone outside the cell. He can get hard bussed for cred. He can check a partner. He can play like he did in Catastrophe and be really uber towny and not get lynched until like d9. Like there's lots of options for him to take if he's mafia. Like a million different options. Why would he as a good player take the absolute fucking worst line of play physically possible. Like there is 1 play that you do not take as mafia in this situation. And that's the exact play that Sandro made. THE EXACT PLAY. Explain how a vet who's good, really good and spent his last mafia game completely unnoticed until he gave up because all his team got lynched and he was tired of trying to keep playing. Explain how Sandro can as mafia take the absolute worst fucking line of play possible. Like that's the thing that caught me off guard early on. | ||
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On March 05 2015 19:18 Breshke wrote: Lynching the ninja is a fucking horrid play n the situation we are in and i assume no I hope geript has realized that. That has to do with kp reduction though. | ||
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On March 06 2015 07:38 kitaman27 wrote: Can the people who are claiming vig shots confirm that they actually received vig shots? I'd like to get a reliable count of our night one actions. Yes. I received a one-shot vigi ability. I used it to shoot sepulcher. Cooking dinner. | ||
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Tube's done that at least a few times this game. I can't explain why it kinda bugs me that he did a simple EWBOP instead of an employee update sending it like there was a communications failure; that would've been really cute. I think Kurumi is the only person that really knows about this read (maybe Keir and Kita but I don't think so). Plus, he's been completely fearless when talking to me. That's another good sign. I also remembered a conversation on TS at the end of d1 in palmers game between me, Koshi, Rayn, SL, LS and VE. The basic situation is Sl and Eden were double bussing each other and both were up for lynch. Eden was at work and couldn't get on skype and basically did nothing. SL got on skype and basically begged and pleaded to lynch Eden without really adding anything. It's something that kinda reminded me of his play today when I was skimming through while job hunting. | ||
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On March 06 2015 13:41 sicklucker wrote: Gepot your also voting with the person you shot and didnt die.... And he's likely a ninja. IDK, maybe I'm wrong on Tube, I'll explain more after league game | ||
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On March 06 2015 14:03 geript wrote: And he's likely a ninja. IDK, maybe I'm wrong on Tube, I'll explain more after league game Maybe not a ninja, but that requires mafia to have gotten the RB power and rb'd me. Maybe they gave him a vest or got a medic, but I find that pretty unlikely. Like a vest is a possibility as I think it has more uses than a medic. But mafia getting a vest is really, really unlikely imo. Like for this sort of setup where that could negate like at least 1 form of lynch mechanic that seems really OP. Plus as of right now, town's only gotten 2 roles. Even if we assume both Toad and Rayn got roles, it's hard to think that neither of them get a medic and they choose to save someone other than each other. So For Sepulchre to be a mafia, they had to have gotten an RB and had to have used it on me AND town didn't get a medic. Like that's really, really unlikely. TLDR Sep is actually probably a ninja. Plus for if he is mafia, then he's with Tube which makes almost no sense in my mind. Like that would require Kurumi and/or Kita/Keir to be mafia. Kurumi/Tube doesn't make much sense because Kurumi can do some cute stuff as mafia, but he's not really that sly to setup that type of interaction together imo. Kita would push for Tube to be effective and post about stuff; like he's pretty big from my experience on trying to control the thread and push lynches. Keir IDK what he would do. I can't remember a game off the top of my head where he's been mafia. | ||
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On March 06 2015 16:39 Tubesock wrote: I'm thinking people are not claiming, or there simply were no power roles given. I simply don't believe Sandroba's claim. It has nothing to do with how many power roles are available. That quite frankly is absolutely retarded. There is literally 0 reason for people not to have claimed what powers they got and what powers they used. Like not as any alignment. Literally 0 reason. There's literally 0 reason to think that in a setup with 6 mafia (with 2 KP) and 2 3P (each with 2KP) that town only gets 2 roles. Maybe some roles went to Rayn/Toad. Maybe. Like no one has claimed a RB on me. No one's claimed a vest hit. No one's claimed a medic use. At most so far, Town could have gotten 4 roles. Which is at least 2 fewer than I would expect on N1. Probably 3 fewer considering how mafia favored the lynch mechanics are in general. So why on god's green earth aren't people claiming these powers 1, why didn't they use these powers 2 and where in the fuck are all the roles we're missing? | ||
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On March 06 2015 16:44 sicklucker wrote: But you dont know what spirit is what? So at best sandros claim only makes sense half the time UNDER WHAT FUCKING CIRCUMSTANCES DOES MAFIA SANDRO FUCKING CLAIM A GREEN CHECK WITHIN HIS POD ON A GUY WHO'S PRETTY UNIVERSALLY SCUMREAD AND THE EASIEST FUCKING MISLYNCH IN THE FUCKING POD????? | ||
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Like if Onegu is mafia then fuck Artanis right int he fucking pussy. That'd 100% be the most bastard hosting ever in a setup that's already really fucking mafia sided. I have a really hard time believing he'd do that. | ||
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On March 06 2015 16:58 Breshke wrote: It really makes me feel uneasy that sandroba didn't spend any of his small amount of time in the thread trying to work out if tube or SL was mafia. This I can understand. This I can get. But I can just disagree with it based on better evidence. Breshke, did you get a role last night? | ||
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On March 06 2015 16:59 Tubesock wrote: I absolutely will tell the thread. But it's not quite important yet. But you really think that we need vigis with 2 2kp Ninjas? Someone talked about it earlier and I don't remember them considering non ninja vigis in the game. So, feel free to attack my idea as it's more dangerous to mafia than finding who the mafia is in this cell. I'm trying to fucknig understand why you believe such bullshit. And needing Vigis with 2kp Ninjas. Yes. Ninjas aren't trying to shoot mafia. Hell some people will just shoot indiscriminately into reasonable targets. Which more often than not will be town. Ninjas are not town aligned. They're far, far more closer to mafia aligned than anything else. Like when all 4 shuriken get shot, then guess what happens. They claim. Because there's literally 0 reason for them not to claim. They just don't want to get lynched and will try to side with whoever wants to help them the most. Ask Kita. In Demon's run he was 3P and he and I and Austin (my mafia partner) made a shaky alliance so that we had a chance at winning. 3P are in no way town aligned. They're heavily anti town. Super heavily anti-town. So yes, in a setup with 6 mafia and 2 3rd party then yes, town needs a way to cull the chaff and/or kill mafia. Like with out such, by the end of N2 in a what 26 person setup there's like 7 town going to be dead at least most likely. If not 9-10. It can easily be MYLO on D3. So yes, town needs roles to help figure shit out. | ||
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As mafia, Sandroba will literally do nothing. Like in Duke Nukem Hydra, I'm pretty sure that Syllogism made like 4 posts and Sandroba didn't post at all. In Shadow he barely interacts at all and Marv/HF decided to bus him on D1. Like he has no thoughts in his filter that game and doesn't even get off page 1. I remember Sandroba replacing out of a game and people questioning whether they should just lynch that slot because of how much Sandro hates rolling mafia. My experience is that as mafia he does absolutely nothing and waits to be AFK lynched. That's not what I see here. Like in Shadow he makes a post about Prome and basically afk's and completely ignores it. He doesn't even care what anyone else thinks about his case. He's lazy and doesn't even bother with it really. But in this game there are hints that's not the case. Like he hasn't just afk spammed Breshke into oblivion. Rather, he's actually compared about why he could be right or could be wrong on Breshke. Like I think mafia are probably just afk stacking on Sandroba and using any reason they want to try and lynch him. Because for as much as SL and Tube have talked about Sandro doing nothing, they really haven't evaluated the other player at all. Zero. Zip. Nada. On March 05 2015 08:05 sicklucker wrote: Oh shit. Well theres two easy town reads. Me and tubesock so that leaves two others. This is SL's marvelous townread on Tube. Which btw comes AFTER the cell has been posted. SL buddied the fuck out of everyone and anyone in Office just to not get lynched. He's refused to give any sort of actual reasonable analysis for Sandro being mafia (just Tube is OMG TOWN, a read which IIRC he hasn't explained). He hasn't bothered looking whatsoever. He's pushed the idea that Sandro is mafia with Onegu which SL is smart enough as town to completely ignore that shit line of thinking. I could go on but I'm really not going to waste more time on this shit. You guys can lynch town Sandroba. I don't fucking care. But when he flips town, just lynch peopel on his wagon and SL. | ||
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On March 07 2015 01:48 kitaman27 wrote: Could you elaborate? I think even sandroba would admit that he has done close to nothing, yet you come to the town conclusion. Look at shadow. He makes a point and then tries to ride that for as long as possible and doesn't give a fuck what you or anyone else said about it. Look at Hydra: Sandro made I think exactly 5 posts (hard to tell exactly because they didn't sign their posts exactly) On April 16 2013 04:36 ShotgunBiceps wrote: As for Syllo, I'm a bit annoyed by how he's handling this situation. I can certainly see him acting like this as a disheartened townie, but he's not giving us enough to call for an anti-nuke, and I still think his lynch-actions were very likely to come from scum-syllo. After he votes FMB, he beings to share sentiment arising in the town that the vote-count looks a ton like a mislynch: Then he makes a show about wanting to carefully consider other options: While he did say he was going to bed in 30 minutes or whatever, I find it hard to believe that he disappeared in the middle of his deliberations on finding an alternative lynch. He apparently decided not to care, leave his vote on a guy he had misgivings about, and go to bed. It's hard for me to rationalize that from town-Syllo. These being the relevant posts. Syllo was supposed to post on D1 on the weekend while Sandro was out/gettingdrunk/etc. Sandro popped in to say that syllo looked kinda towny. Like he doesn't really make any push or try to do anything specifically. He doesn't really analyze. He just finds something safe to push and grinds it into the ground. Palmer got a scumread on Sandro IIRC because he ignored something that he would normally read as town. It's similar for Shadow. Where he pushes Prome and doesn't care about any detracting points whatsoever. Like he doesn't bother even recognizing anything that he should read as town. Like I've never played with Sandro's town game, but I've never seen him recognize contrasting information about people. Whether it's your point on misreading Breshke or look at meta or anything. Shadow Hydra | ||
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On March 07 2015 01:59 sicklucker wrote: Geript is like acualy the worst town ive ever seen if hes town here again. Geript you made one good read I did buddy up to people in the office and any mafia game in general. But this game im pissing people off and enjoying it whats that tell you? + Show Spoiler + Im town Nothing. Because you will literally do anything at all as mafia. You literally give zero fucks as mafia. I can't even read you off of bussing your partners. | ||
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On March 07 2015 02:23 kitaman27 wrote: sandroba's point about Breshke was that Breshke concluded sandroba was mafia. I pointed out that Breshke came to the opposite conclusion. So if I'm understanding you correctly, you're saying that a mafia sandroba would refuse to acknowledge the text that refutes his point? It's not just that. It's also looking at his meta. I don't think I've ever seen mafia sandro make a meta case or look at things like that. Like I think it's pretty easy to disagree with me on meta points because I tend to look at really little things that many people ignore. It's not just activity for Breshke because he is less active as mafia. But it's also how he interacts with things and the thread. | ||
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How about non-standard roles? I know I got an exceptionally standard role. So yah, that's pretty crazy. How about that Sandroba as mafia greenchecks the easiest mislynch in the pod? Also crazy. How about that I'm lying about getting vigi role? Well I did. Suck it. Also crazy. How about that town spirit didn't give anythign at all away? Saving up without spending on a medic is absolutely insane. | ||
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On March 07 2015 03:06 IAmRobik wrote: wtf. of course sandroba's scum. I think he checks lightning 100% of the time as actual cop-check I disagree. But that's like impossible to argue. | ||
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On March 07 2015 03:15 IAmRobik wrote: You disagree with him being scum or you disagree on his cop check? and what's impossible to argue That he'd 100% cop check LS | ||
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On March 07 2015 03:15 Tubesock wrote: What I don't see from you is anything but saying how crazy and dumb my thoughts were. You repeatedly go back to that. Yet your lynch pool is Sicklucker and I. Shouldn't it be fairly simple to differentiate from 2 bad towns and look at intent and motivation? Look at Robik. He thinks I'm bad. He ignores everything I write, but is investigating things outside of me. You somehow are stuck talking to a donkey and not investigating. What are you gaining from this? When 1 is SL and the other is you, it's really not easy at all. SL will literally do anything as mafia. You're so far out in right field that I'm literally having to extrapolate reads from other people who I've never relied on before in order to read. Like it's really not easy whatsoever. | ||
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You said that he'd 100% cop check LS. I disagree that he would. It's not a point I can actually argue because it basically will devolve into, "well I think X" vs "well I think Y" Like my experience is here is that lots of people here don't actually cop check people they're scumreading. But that's anecdotal. Like I can't think of a game where I've seen Sandroba as a cop. It's just a random personal opinion. Like what's so fucking hard to understand about this Robik? | ||
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On March 07 2015 03:50 Tubesock wrote: So here, Syllo got a 100% soulread by the end of Day 1? and how many months ago was this game? 100% soulread is true, but all my idea have 0% to be true....really? Yah, because your ideas are literally either posted as complete distractions or you're fucking insane. | ||
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1. Only Toad/Rayn scumread him. And Rayn's been fucking insane this game. 2. Ok. Please explain how this is exactly his meta. Because I 100% know that you haven't actually meta'd him. You're literally just completely going based on what other people who have actually read his scum games have said. 3. Onegu was the obvious vote pre-claim. Like really fucking obvious. A guy who IIRC by your standards was also scumread by Toad/Rayn. 4. Sure Claims mean nothing this game in particular. But town only getting 4 roles on N1 would be insane. 5. Town spirit doesn't know the alignment of Sandro. True. So what. Doesn't mean that they can't figure out his actual alignment by you know, reading him. Like let's not forget 6: WHY IN THE FUCK DOES MAFIA SANDRO GREEN CHECK ONEGU THE MOST OBVIOUS LYNCH IN THE FUCKING LYNCH POOL? LIKE WHY DOES MAFIA SANDRO GREEN CHECK THE EASIEST PERSON TO LYNCH IN THE FUCKING CELL? Like neither you nor Tube are doing anything other than saying, "Oh he does it so he can live for 1 more day. Oh it helps keep KP and shit." Bullshit. Mafia does not remove the person who's at least as likely if not more likely to be lynched from within the cell. LET ME REPEAT. MAFIA DOES NOT REMOVE THE PERSON WHO IS MOST LIKELY TO BE LYNCHED IN THE CELL FROM THE FUCKING LYNCH POOL Like that's what Tube/SL are trying to push. That's the insanity of all of this. Like Onegu who we know has an honest opinion on this even fucking said it. Yet both Tube and SL are completely fucking ignoring this entirely. | ||
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On March 07 2015 03:59 sicklucker wrote: The pro SL camp currently leads 8-5 get wrecked mafia Pro mafia camp leads 8-5. Get rekt bitch!!! Explain why Sandro's the most obvious lynch in the pool. Explain why Sandro green checks the most obvious lynchbait in the pool. Explain any of your fucking presumptions because you're fucking lying and bullshitting about everything. | ||
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On March 07 2015 04:05 sicklucker wrote: The good towns that died told us to lynch sandro. The check could be his partner to save them both. To confuse us. Lazyness and not following the game. To set up a mislynch on him. Then he could greencheck you. Or greencheck Tube. Or greencheck like anyone. Or redcheck outside of the pod. Like if he wants to survive, removing the easiest mislynch in the pod only makes his job harder. That's literally all it does. So why does Sandro as mafia, make his goal to not get mislynched significnatly harder? | ||
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On March 07 2015 04:09 sicklucker wrote: Geript your not making sense. Your saying its mafia favored if town has a bad start. Then your saying its not fair if town catches a break with rng? No I'm not. I'm saying that Cell has a track record of 1 mafia 2 town. That's the setup of cell. The basic idea of it is if you find the mafia the other 2 are confirmed town. In a setup that ridiculously mafia favored, it would 100% be super bastard hosting to have 2 mafia in the cell. Like ridiculously super bastard hosting. Like that's fucking insane. | ||
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On March 07 2015 04:12 sicklucker wrote: Like its your opinion that onegu was an easy mislynch. But do you think mafia sandro even reads the thread? because by your own logic he would not. So would he not green check a random person? Or the player of the 3 he knows to be a more experienced player? Sandro isn't a fucking idiot. He wouldn't green check someone in his pod as mafia. He especially woudln't do it to the person who he could easily push the best. Like that's literally saying, "Everyone in this pod is town!!!" Like he 100% reads (or in the least skims) as mafia from what I've seen. He'd 100% know that Onegu is the easiest push in this pod. He 100% would be able to just fucking push Onegu to not get lynched. Like that'd be really fucking easy. | ||
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On March 07 2015 04:19 Tubesock wrote: There is risk in cop checking town as mafia. Mafia needs a "confirmed" town so they have an excuse to night kill them instead of any town leading mafia. The risk is that that "check" flips ninja and then it was a 1vs1. You fucking started talking about how we should kill a ninja first. You hunt ninja. WHY? Look at the non obvious towns. Kurumi, Sicklucker, Fecalfeast, Batsnacks, me (who Rayne thought was ninja along with Obi), Oats, Onegu, Sepulchre, Slam, and Obi. I bet you thought about the odds of each of those players to flip ninja. Mafia QT probably decided Onegu was a safe bet, plus they could WIFOM how stupid it would be to fake a cellmate. More importantly, they need to protect against a 1 v 1. Getting a cell containing Sandroba was unlucky on mafia's part. Mafia needs to reduce the odds of a claim flipping ninja. The claim also has to be believable. Yet, you refuse to believe that there is a chance that none of the top towns are mafia, that all of them are bad or lurky. And also that if one of the top towns IS mafia then they are too stupid to know they have to plan to have an excuse they lived past night 2. Point 1. Complete fail. Confirmed townies are #3 on the list of people to kill. Always #3. Below Roles and people who are able to read the game well and push lynches. Like this is insane. Point 2. I've already explained this. Ninjas on D1 are worse for town than mafia are. It's counter intuitive, but if you remove a Ninja on D1, then you remove 3 KP that is very likely to hit town from the game. That's far more than you get from hitting mafia on D1. Point 3. That's a big list of people who are quite likely to be mafia. GJ if you're town because you're a retard if you believe this shit. Point 4. WAT? Point 5. I think that there are "top town" who could be mafia. Like Robik only started posting after I bugged him. He's also a good enough player to be "salty" after not getting his shot. He's also done reasonably little and isn't following any sort of common sense read that I've seen him use in video mafia. I just don't fucking care to talk about them today because there's literally no point in that right now. I can't lynch Robik today. Kita could be mafia. I really haven't bothered looking at his filter since D1. | ||
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Fuck this. Fuck this. I'm giong to get food and call an HR guy. I'm done arguing over this shit. I'm done. | ||
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On March 07 2015 04:39 Tubesock wrote: 10 suspects in a game with 8 nontowns is big? So, everyone should have only 8 suspects with full confidence in 100% accuracy? And funny that's not a town looking for mafia list. thats a mafia looking for ninja list. Outside of the claim people think Sandroba is mafia. Both nk'd towns died scumming Sandroba. But you're fighting and not considering that those people were correct. And if you die along with one of those I would suspect the remainder of being mafia. But they are not showing any indications that they will be saved somehow. You however are "towny" enough to have been given a gun by presumably the town spirit. You are already preemptively providing excuses for how you live. Robik and Kita are not even thinking about that. ![[image loading]](http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/7e/7e05cfb0d554c683769a319b95183ccc84f74d226488b8f3de7bd00b240d2bc1.jpg) | ||
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On March 07 2015 04:44 sandroba wrote: Did you actually do the math on this? Assuming 1 spot is taken by mafia and the rest of the spots are ramdomized there is actually 1 - (14/20^3) = 75,7% chance another spot in the cell is taken by mafia. | ||
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On March 07 2015 04:45 Tubesock wrote: hahaha that's awesome. I like my ride. I'll get some fuzzy dice for the mirror. You're still not pushing to kill me. I'm clearly being a huge distraction and am trying my best to kill a uncc'd cop power guy who is clearly town. I have to be mafia. There is like no other possible explanation. 100%. I'm not pushing to kill you because I don't think you're mafia. Hence the short bus. | ||
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On March 07 2015 04:47 sandroba wrote: Actually I realize i did the math wrong and it's actually 14/19 which makes it 71% but yeah, I think you get my point. Please continue to fail at how to do statistics. Like there's no way a host would be a bastard like that. No way. BH isn't hosting. I'm not hosting. | ||
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On March 08 2015 03:31 Tubesock wrote: Thoughts before I leave for work. Let's examine some scenarios that have been pushed. 1. Geript's defense of Sandroba
Syllogism MUST find Sandroba town. (Turns out true) Syllogism MUST think Sandroba best for PR. (Apparently True) Sandroba MUST be town. That's a lot of things that need to happen. My idea. (Sandroba is mafia)
Sandroba MUST want to avoid try harding. (ample evidence) Syllogism CAN be either Spirit. Syllogism CAN Scum Sandroba. Syllogism CAN give PR to ANYONE. Sandroba CAN fake/real check ANYONE. Basically, to argue successfully with me on my point is prove that Sandroba would not mind try harding and do some other play. OR show how his Day 1 is town and something that mafia can't fake. My idea is not stupid. Given an outcome X or Y, would be be more likely to be true? X which needs 4 things to fall into place (we didn't know about them during this debate), or Y which needs 2? As mafia, why would I work so hard to find out a scenario that is so relatively simple, versus a scheme that with out much indepth analysis seems plausible but requires 4 at the time unverifiable things to fall in to place? Mafia knew who was the scum in the cell. Why would any town do nothing but fight this idea? Kithaman27 and IamRobik both thought my Theory was bad. See how they reacted? They continued to ask questions, they even asked questions from topics I BROUGHT UP. They investigated. Others did nothing but bring up why my scenario was so unlikely and stupid. Think about these things in the context that Onegu was Framed or Godfathered. How many unverifiable things need to fall into place for this to happen? How many things need to be true for Onegu to be an excuse for night kill survival. ONE. Onegu is TOWN. ![[image loading]](http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/b0/b0ae1cb2f929fb66ac804473a051441545532d5bb7a062000135bc648aa47e80.jpg) | ||
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On March 08 2015 06:22 IAmRobik wrote: there were only 3 shots. I still have a shot left Sep took a bullet afaik. And he didn't die. Pretty good odds, at worst you hit mafia and have town on your side.. | ||
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Attention 3P players. I know who both of you are now. I've left instructions to do the following: Kill both of you tonight. Since removing me won't remove enough KP to prevent both of you from dying. Or if you fail the mission, then the one who isn't on the team elected we'll kill. Now I'm known for not lying as mafia. Like pretty much ever. It's great and a lot of fun. If you're both elected on the team, well then we'll make it so that you can both duke it out. Let's be honest, mafia's way ahead here and killing me does very little to change that. So if you want to win, why not join Team Evil? You know, because Team Evil has hotter girlfriends. | ||
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On March 08 2015 09:00 Onegu wrote: Look ninja if Geript is town, then I didn't get a cop check and I'm scum. If I'm scum sandaroba is most likely scum also. But I'm town, since I'm town why would town spirit choose to give me a cop check when I looked crummy, because he knows sandaroba is town and actually cop checked me. Shooting Geript either you kill town Geript, and then lynch scum Onegu and scum sandaroba. Or Shoot Scum Geript, confirm me and sandaroba town, and tube scum. See at worst, 3P my plan has much better options and benefits. Funny how that works. I've got way more to offer you than anyone else in this game. | ||
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On March 08 2015 21:41 Onegu wrote: Happy Birthday, wrote it in the other game don't know if you saw it. Now vote me Mayor. I AM! | ||
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On March 09 2015 01:36 IAmRobik wrote: Just give me mayor and I'll take 2 townies with me You're a dumbass. He was clearly not 3P. | ||
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On March 09 2015 03:42 IAmRobik wrote: I know but I might have lost if I hit town. So it was shooting you or shooting him. Please grant me mercy mafia team Fuck no. You don't even get endgamed. Like you can literally hold you bullet for 1 more day. You don't get endgamed. It's not fucking insanity. Like you fucked up a good play of claiming 3P by not listening to a claimed scum. | ||
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On March 09 2015 14:38 IAmRobik wrote: Not voting me for mayor is fucking dumb. Onegu can still potentially be a ninja and then he'll just shoot me and you won't get anywhere. He could also be mafia who gave a real check to gain cred by saccing GERIPT. I have proven my loyalty with my shot even though I could have shot elsewhere to try to win the game. I implore you to vote me for mayor. QQ more | ||
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On March 10 2015 09:46 Toadesstern wrote: geript what you wrote about robik was absolutely bullshit: holding his shot was always a 100% lose for Robik because it was endgame before reaching d3 EVEN WITH double mafia kill on d2. It was between shooting mafia and killing the ninja during n2. If he had no idea who the other ninja was he has to shoot mafia to at least try and avoid endgame, even if unlikely. He proably should not have claimed though. so sheep the two townies that conveniently both thought one of the two options you had is the most likely mafia in the entire game, who both conveniently got shot by mafia. First things first: Killing mafia during the night lowers KP. I'm pretty sure Artanis commented on this in thread even. So there's no point to do so during D3. Second, let's pretend Onegu (or one of his proposed team) is mafia. Mafia will use the lynch as KP and just kill an obvious towny. Then shooting mafia does him absolutely no good as he will just get endgamed after being shot. Like mafia will just pretend he's not even in the game. Third, let's pretend the 3P gets elected (who will obvious fail it). Then we just kill Robik most likely out of gratitude because it removes extra votes etc. Fourth, if all town gets elected, he knows not to shoot any of them. Let's also just look at the situation. Pretend he uses his shuriken; his only way of getting the other ninja killed is to do it via lynch (which is essentially the same as shooting them) OR by having mafia put NKs on the other ninja. By killing a mafia (and where 1 mafia is outed), mafia KP is reduced so he's unlikely to get his wish. Like there's literally no situation where I can think of that Robik is in a better spot by specifically shooting Sandroba instead of aiming for 3P. Yes, it helps him not get endgamed sooner, but it doesn't ever actually help him win the game. | ||
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I forget who it was (maybe Epiphany) that called me out for exactly what I was doing on D1, but basically he said: Geript is just trying to push people to shoot 24hrs in, Geript is just trying to stir the pot with people, Geript has no non-bullshit points. It was actually really, really correct on all points. My whole point of D1 was to try and get Rayn and Koshi off balance as much as possible. Call them bad; push other points; make them doubt their reads; etc. It was actually really funny because Rayn was also really, really right when he fingered me (kinky) on N1. Who I ever really say was mafia? I had like 3-4 "suspects" that I just kinda rambled about but was far more interested in arguing, bullying and making it hard for people to think about the game (instead of act emotionally). That would never be my town play. Thus why he had to die. FWIW, I was never drunk this game. Didn't even go to the mexican place; I was just lazy and faked it. I think Toad took that quote out of context. Because Tube was arguing that I was mafia with Sandroba (tin foil hat is right but for the wrong reasons); I was arguing that if that were the case, I would never let Sandro make the play. BTW, it's a really bad play and he shouldn't have made it (in context of his thread presence). Town spirit really fucked up something fierce. | ||
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On March 10 2015 10:11 Toadesstern wrote: you completly fail to realize that he would not have gotten a lynch on d3 because the game ends before d3 and thus everything you mentioned there is just wrong. Yes, mafia loses KP once down to 4, that's the reason he shot mafia. To try and get a d3 lynch instead of just losing without getting another lynch. So no, what he did was the best he could have done (assuming he has no idea who the ninja is). I'm not going to argue wether or not he should have used his shot to shoot ninja, that's obviously best play but holding his shot like you said would have been the worst possible scenario for him. He was alive on D3. Mafia in order to endgame can't win until D4. It was 8v2v6. Killing 1 town doesn't make endgame because he still has his bullet. And if he's going to shoot mafia during the day. Then he should shoot during the night because he might actually remove a Mafia role. Like if you want to argue that he has to shoot mafia with it to prevent endgame, then it's 100% better to shoot that mafia player at night (after roles are given out). | ||
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On March 10 2015 10:16 sicklucker wrote: I think when two people are pitted against each other (me and tube) but both INSTANTLY jump to the conclusion its fake instead of going after each other then that third party is always mafia. I think people ignored this fact too much Not really. Like if he's town and has a green check on Onegu what's he supposed to do there? Keep silent? It's not like you or Tube would likely react to it any differently as I think you were both already on the "let's kill Sandroba" plan. Like that's really dumb. The reason why you got lynched wasn't because of the play. It's 100% because you didn't make actual arguments against Sandroba. Like everyone was all "WTF, Geript's making a case on why Sandroba is mafia and calling him town." And yah, I had to find very tiny discrepancies to point out because you know, he was totes mcgoats mafia. Rather you guys were all like, "This claim is totally bogus. Rayn/Toad said to kill Sandroba. That guy's totally scum. He's probably greenchecking his partner Onegu. etc." Like that isn't going to convince anyone. Plus, people like lynching because that's pretty much what you do as mafia. You try and do as little as possible to not get lynched even if you have to bus. | ||
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On March 10 2015 10:21 kitaman27 wrote: Just curious, did sandroba actually receive a cop check? Yup. We cop checked LS. In hindsight, we should've cop checked a random to find out if ninja. But eh. We were thinking about setting up a double bus. Oh and I got a vigi shot. Thank's Foolishness I had to shoot my dear friend Rayn. It brought tears to my eyes. | ||
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On March 08 2015 19:59 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I was asked if a Ninja shot during N3 on the 5th mafia member reduces the mafia KP to 1 on N3. It does. I was also asked if the mission required a unanimous pass. It does. Toad. This post. If he shoots mafia on N3, he not only can get a role that's been given out (thereby further delaying endgame) but it also reduced KP. Like if you want to argue that shooting during D3 is better than shooting during N3. Then you're just wrong. There's literally no benefit to shooting during D3 instead of N3. | ||
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On March 10 2015 10:25 kitaman27 wrote: It would have been pretty funny if onegu flipped as ninja at some point. Yah that would've been hilarious. BTW, why didn't you pick up on any of the random Demon's Run posts I made like all over the place. I even used the word backstabby. I was really surprised that you were town because I just figured that you knew I was claiming mafia to you and you didn't comment on it whatsoever. | ||
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On March 10 2015 10:30 sicklucker wrote: Btw wth was that spirit msg that power was op as shit. It basically won them the game. I had over an hour to get the lynch off of me and I would have but when I saw that I stopped trying grrr That was like the most obvious scum play ever imo though. Like Syllo would never townread Sandro in this game. | ||
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On March 10 2015 10:36 kitaman27 wrote: lol even after you made this post I still wasn't sure what Demon's Run refers to until I had to look it up. I guess I think of it as PTP IV in my head XD BUT I SAID BACKSTABBY!!! You don't remember responding to the mafia QT as: "That looks all backstabby." | ||
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On March 10 2015 10:37 Tubesock wrote: I need to articulate better. I saw and posted Rayne's and Toad's last lists that scummed Sandroba. I saw how easy it was to make the cell me vs Sicklucker and how much a cop check benefits Sandroba. It took awhile but after Geript was repeating how he never lies as mafia I realized that mafia having a cop check has value in this game. Cop check someone who's green and night kill them later which would have "confirmed" Sandroba town. Lying about the check, what if town or ninja killed Onegu and he flipped ninja? Then we would have killed Sandroba. Why didn't people think about this more? Why am I so ignored? The thing is that claiming a green check on Onegu doesn't clear Sandroba whatsoever. It makes it a 3 person pod instead of a 4 person pod. That's it. It doesn't say, "100% between SL or Tube." Oh and BTW. News flash. I do lie as mafia. I lie as town too. I just generally don't like about random shit. Like having a 2 hour phone conversation with someone. | ||
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On March 10 2015 10:40 kitaman27 wrote: No, I do not remember a random post I made in 2013. I better get checked for Alzheimer's. But it's a memorably random post. So next time remember. I'll be claiming mafia to you so you don't shoot and and so that we can talk about working together better. | ||
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On March 10 2015 10:41 Mocsta wrote: Yeah. This game sounded fun in concept, but wasn't fun to play. I was never going to modkill myself but I was getting very frustrated with being ignored and then scum read. I think my day2 opinion had 5 of the scum team. Yet I had no confidence to push because no1 wanted to interact. I agree with kita regarding stance on late post vs. No vote. If keirathi was town, would he have been mod killed? FWIW, I was very surprised that neither Keir/Kurumi got modkilled as that's reasonably normal (but I know Artanis is different). The problem, imo, with the Onegu post is that it 100% mod confirms him as town. Like you can make an argument (when Onegu doesn't die which fwiw was my plan) that it was a double bus for cred that went awry because Sandroba got shot. Especially when Onegu like Townread me, soft scumread me then 2 days later comes out with a redcheck. Like town can never lynch him and not because of in game actions but because it's something that 100% obviously makes him town. | ||
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On March 10 2015 10:43 kitaman27 wrote: I'm never working together with you again. You're too backstabby. </3 But kita, I only promise to backstab you and ride your corpse to victory if it's required. If anything I'll do my best to win WITH you. | ||
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On March 10 2015 10:48 Toadesstern wrote: granted it's an increadibly weak read but the first thing I said to artanis when I got shot was something along the lines of "wow, that Cell is pure cancer... anyone could be mafia in there ... except for maybe Onegu who looks ever so slightly townish" but if you have him in contrast to the other 3 he was the shining beacon of towniness This is pretty much true. My only exception to this is that he was WAY more inactive than he usually is as town. | ||
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On March 10 2015 10:49 sicklucker wrote: And how many people in the game have any idea about that or care? I dont even know who either of them are Kita, Rayn, Keirathi, Me, Foolishness, Koshi, Mocsta I think too. Like a surprising amount. | ||
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On March 10 2015 10:52 Toadesstern wrote: Wow, you did not include me in that list geript?... IDK why I forgot about you. But yah. Toad too. | ||
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On March 10 2015 10:59 LightningStrike wrote: So any tips for me as Mafia? When you're playing mafia, look back at your past few games. See how much you post and try to post roughly that much. See how you tend to construct arguments and make posts. Because Damdred was right, you really didn't post much like your previous games at all. Also, if you're posting in QT, you should probably be posting in thread. You need to consider why you're bussing. Because bussing Sandroba was the wrong play. Like you should've been bussing me there. Like you really want to be thinking ahead and figure out what your win condition looks like in this specific game and then play in such a way that you can meet those conditions. I think in this game you were really just trying to not lose the game. My experience is that when mafia tends to play not to lose, they're more likely to just lose. Because they allow town to do whatever they and and don't prevent town from actually doing important shit. | ||
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geript
10024 Posts
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geript
10024 Posts
I think I like the idea of random/random strategic lynch mechanics. Mafia got too much KP as well and too many members. This is a really interesting concept which is why I signed up. But I'd rather balance it around a few different ideas. Cell would be more interesting if it were Nomination. IE, mafia has to put up a member, but there's 2 not-mafia in the group. Mayor is fine. Resistence feels like a bad Mayor mechanic. I think there are interesting ways to try and balance this, but I think it's more likely or even better to just scrap the idea as a whole. | ||
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