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On March 03 2015 19:03 AT.Epiphany wrote: I agree with what you write, though I don't really have any conclusion coming out of it. I don't think that disagreeing with me about somebody being town makes them suspicious in my eyes. By the way, I didn't even see that as a "narrative he invented for me", but simply as what was natural to his thought process, I might have disagreed with him about it on another day, but I've had enough hostility on me without quibbling with him about what approach is natural. He posted that under 'basis' so I took that to be his thought process about whom he tends to suspect rather than him creating a narrative for me. The problem here for me is that apparently Mocsta sees you as some kind of a dumbass who has no clue in how to play mafia. I heavily disagree with that because of your post on geript. While i think you are wrong on geript's alignment and at the start of the game focused on things i find to be irrelevant your post on geript was really thought out and it fits with how you think the D1 here should be played in your opinion. I find those cases on geript a massive towntell for you, and i also find them to show that you are actually well capable of thinking which makes you NOT a bad player. However Mocsta seems to be thinking the opposite and i can't understand why. Like i don't even know what he got out of calling you mafia??? Many big wasted posts to end up in a conclusion "this guy is dumb"?? I don't buy it. | ||
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On March 03 2015 19:06 your mom wrote: in my own time i will post a read on them, i have work to do now and have to go in one hour so you couldn't even post "agree" or "disagree" (which would actually make me contribute towards what YOU want) and you call me out for not answering your questions? i call bs | ||
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On March 03 2015 19:25 your mom wrote: im just f5ing the front page occasionally at the moment. not gonna give out forced reads cause you want me to. . but you just gave out a forced read on me. Because obviously you haven't even read the thread. Yet you call me mafia for not explaining my reads (which i have in fact done), and for keeping my options open (which is definitely not correct). | ||
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On March 03 2015 19:31 your mom wrote: did you explain the read on me and hts? and how do you define my read on you as forced, it would be forced if i didnt give it out on my own, but i did. Me explaining or not explaining my read on you or hts is irrelevant. Mainly because i don't give any fucks about explaining my read on hts as i don't read her scum any more. I don't want either of you shot, i want Koshi shot. Therefore i don't talk about things i don't want to talk about. Your read is forced because of several reasons: 1) you take a small portion of my posts and make a conclusion the rest of my filter contradicts with 2) you claim you know me well, then you should know i explain my reads when i want to and me calling people mafia without explaining it straight away is never going to be a scumtell for me, in fact it is a towntell because (as you know -- as you know me well as you state) a big portion of my play relies on making comments that are intended to make people think and one of the best ways for me to gather reads is to make those statements and see which people actually agree/disagree with me and what their reasons are. Like it's literally the best way for me to gather reads -- especially townreads -- and that is a known fact for anyone who has ever played a game where i have been town in. Yet somehow you don't seem to know that, despite "knowing me so well". 3) you are still trying to argue in favor of your read and everything you bring up is either irrelevant or i have already proved it wrong. | ||
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post 1 rayn: "here are some people i think are mafia, X, Y, Z and W." post 2 rayn: "X is definitely mafia we should kill him" post 3 your mom: "rayn is mafia because he leaves a door open for having many suspects" clearly my post #2 here proves your case is wrong. It LITERALLY does so. Now if you had made your case before i made my post #2 your case could be valid. But this is not the case here. The case here is you are ignoring the rest of my posting. It means that you are: 1) misconstruing something i said to look like it's something i didn't in fact do (as i have proven since) 2) not reading the thread properly, not thinking about why i say the stuff i do, and making a half-arsed case onto something that could be seen as inherently scummy both of those are scum traits. | ||
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On March 03 2015 19:55 your mom wrote: those aren't reasons for my read being forced, it's just your defense. in my opinion they are. in everyone's opinion they should be. | ||
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sandroba suggesting this: I think a good strat is to guard it until / if town is in a losing spot then press it if it gets to that point. is scummyscummyscum..... The only correct way to do this is either figure out what pressing the device does NOW, or destroy it immediately. | ||
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On March 03 2015 20:36 batsnacks wrote: If I got shot mafia obviously. But I don't think I got shot unless someone spelled my name wrong. Did you just claim scum?  | ||
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On March 03 2015 20:36 AT.Epiphany wrote: I was just about to post, I do think sandrobras may be scum, but he is theoretically right here. I sense no one's going to listen to me about the damn device, so I'll shut up about it after this post, but if you just think about it, if you have a chance to insert a totally random unknown effect into any game, it stands to reason that whenever you're losing anyway is a good time to do it. By the way, really not pushing the device discussion, but why does that comment make him scummy? Also, the reason I think he may be scum is first of all a low content, but more interestingly that when discussing the "shoot as lynch" policy, he was incredibly unwilling to commit and basically flip-flopped around saying we can do this, or we can do that while leaving his phraseology so ambiguous that it could be interpreted as either. The reason is as far as the game is going on you are never "already lost". In LYLO you do not want ANYTHING that could possibly give mafia KP or fuck up the lynch. You just want the townies to lynch mafia. Therefore, as i said, the only correct plays regarding the device are: 1) figure out what it does now, and then decide what to do with it or if it's worth keeping around at all 2) ignore it, accept it doesn't need to be in the game and destroy it Keeping it around and not doing anything with it isn't an option because at some point it might become a liability to the town. | ||
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On March 03 2015 20:45 Breshke wrote: Town doesn't know what the button does neither does mafia. You know the underline how? Because i sure as hell don't know it. | ||
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On March 03 2015 20:45 Breshke wrote: rayn I don't agree that sandroba wanting to push the button is scummy. I think all this button stuff is null. Town doesn't know what the button does neither does mafia. I don't see a way we can "work out" what the device does so we either push is now when any damage it can do to town might not be as strong. Or we press it when we are in a really bad position (this is iffy because it would still probably be better to try lynch our way out if we can rather than leave it to some device.) I think if it is going to be pressed then these are the two times that it is done and i don't think anyone suggesting otherwise is scummy in itself unless they are doing so to not talk about reads or w/e. Like in this post you literally argue the exact same thing i do. sandroba says the opposite yet it is not scummy? | ||
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On March 03 2015 20:55 Breshke wrote: I never considered that mafia would know what the device does tbh And the stuff in brackets I realized as i was typing it and that's the part that contradicts the first part. Still IF sandroba is town I think her logic makes sense if town is in a bad position that they for some reason don't want to lynch out of pushing the button is an option. For her to say that as mafia we she would know it is a bad thing else why press it when town is about to lose? In which case why would you want to press it now? No, the logic makes absolutely no sense. If we at some point are in LYLO you don't want to have an 30 page argument about if we should do something that is possibly going to lose us the game right away or not. You want to focus on finding mafia, and lynching mafia. If the device is unknown to the town at that point you are never ever going to even argue about using it because you do not want distraction in scumhunting. The cons outweigh the pros 100% in that situation. What sandroba suggested is really really really mafia favored regardless of if the mafia knows what the device does or if they doesn't. Because his argument is that when TOWN is in a really bad position we should try it. Even if the device is unknown to mafia, in that situation it doesn't make MAFIA LOSE, but it CAN make TOWN LOSE. If the device is town-favored you want to use it as soon as possible (if you are going to). If the device is mafia-favored you want to find that out as soon as possible so you can get rid of it. If you don't want to find out either, you just get rid of it, because the more time it stays unknown to the town, it becomes more mafia favoured just by being an unknown factor in the game. It's like massclaiming in all-roled setups. You should always do it the first thing in the game. Dumb people are always gonna argue against it and then they still end up massclaiming in like LYLO when the most benefit of the act is already lost... But sandroba is not dumb. He is mafia. | ||
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What's your read on your mom and Mocsta? | ||
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On March 03 2015 20:42 Mocsta wrote: Frankly, I am surprised you haven't question Epiphany regarding his town read of Koshi. Because i don't care about it. I think he is wrong but it does not matter because i think he is town anyways and i don't need to convince him to lynch Koshi as we can just shoot the shit out of Koshi with or without him. | ||
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On March 03 2015 21:31 Breshke wrote: Im lean scum on Mocsta. I don't like those pretend scum qt conversations he made doesn't seem useful to me in adding to his read because I have never really seen anyone coach people like that in scum QT's. He also mentioned that he wanted to talk about spelch and me but never ended up talking about me yet was quick to say that he thought my "slip" was important. Could be biased here because of that though. I liked your mom for scum reading you before you reentered the thread because i agreed with that line of thought. But when you came back and actually started pushing your reads more and explaining stuff instead of just calling people mafia i felt like he stuck to his read instead of reevaluating you. This doesn't make him mafia though could just be lazy town so null for now. The problem is your mom scumread me AFTER i had already re-entered the thread. | ||
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