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Palmar
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On February 26 2015 09:15 marvellosity wrote: mafia tough game trfel, you're gonna be wrong a lot, even when you're really good (and tbh you're pretty good already) This is true. Being right is the hardest skill to learn in mafia. It is also one of the least valuable skills on it's own. I hate it when people put so much stock into being wrong or right. It doesn't even matter. There are a ton of other skills in mafia that are both much easier to learn, and much more valuable for someone learning the game. I was right on JJB, it didn't do me much good. Being right is completely useless in mafia and is no saving grace for people when they make mistakes. You see, this discussion here: While tounge-in-cheek, it's completely backwards. Trfel is the one who should be accepting zlefin's apology, not the other way around. Sure, Trfel was wrong. Who cares! If zlefin and I had managed to put ourselves in a position similar to Trfel's, where we couldn't be lynched easily, then the game would have been auto-win for town. Because the only player that could be reasonably lynched was the mafia. On February 26 2015 09:02 zlefin wrote: I was right! that's the most important part to me, so I call that a win. This kind of thinking is how you never improve at mafia. I don't mind that, there are players who play for goals other than to actually improve at the game, but it's true. And it's not exactly an achievement to be right when there are only two options, one of which both the confirmed recently flipped townires townread, and the other one they both scumread. zlefin and Trfel were both wrong on my lynch, and Trfel was wrong on the final day. I think both of these, really, really don't matter. I think this because it's not easily fixable. There is no way you can go to someone and tell him. "Here, if you do x and y, you will be more right". zlefin did, however, make an atrocious mistake when he refused to play the game the day I got lynched. He refused to engage in playing the game and consider the possibility he may be wrong, thus not only being partly responsible for lynching me that day (remember, if he had been wrong at that point, we'd have won, because shining and I were trying to kill JJB). The good news is that, this is a mistake that is very, very easily fixable. All zlefin has to do is next time when presented with an obvious lynch, is to say "well, we got this obvious lynch, so how about I use the time to review and interact, just in case I'm wrong". Notice how unlike the "be more right", this is something that can be easily fixed. I want to make sure you guys understand I'm not flaming at all. I did exactly the same thing in one of my early games of mafia. I sheeped a bunch of dead townies and lynched the "town consensus" instead of looking at the situation critically and threw a game when it would have been easy to figure out that something was up if I had spent the time working on it. As for Trfel, I couldn't find you ever looking at it this way, but you had to have thought somewhere "why me? Why was shining shot and I was left alive? I'm universally townread, so what's the problem here?". It's important to review things in lylo, and for the most part mafia do the logical things. They shoot townies who are right. Obviously, unlike the point I made with zlefin, this is a much harder thing to fix. You went with your gut over the analysis by shining and I from the day before, and that's okay. I know that you will learn from this, and your methodology wasn't wrong, it was simply incomplete and thus your conclusion was wrong, which is always going to be a problem as long as you play mafia. If it wasn't, the game wouldn't be any fun, would it? I also want to commend you on the job you did making yourself unlynchable. That was very good, and is both a very good skill to master and much easier to apply consistently than being right. Don't beat yourself up over this game, everyone is wrong once in a while. Shining did an excellent job on reevaluating a situation. Not only did he take a situation that at face value looked like an automatic lynch, spend the time to reevaluate and tried to actively work to solve the game, he actually reached the correct conclusion too, which is of course just fantastic. He played the day very, very well, the only knock on him is that he was right, but did not manage to convince either Trfel or zlefin to follow him. But the fact that he didn't manage to was of course only partly on him, and partly on the others, and partly on me for not being townier than I was. Everyone can always improve. Shining also became such a threat to the mafia that JJB decided to shoot him in the night, it's always a good thing to be shot as a townie. It means the mafia for some reason does not want to deal with you. Anyway, it was fun, again, I'm sorry for not being able to move the wagon off me, all I had to do was convince either zlefin or Trfel and we'd have won the game. I feel like I didn't have the time to find my angle to convincing them, and maybe I spent too much time scumhunting instead of just defending myself. | ||
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