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On January 20 2015 07:17 IAmRobik wrote: /in On January 22 2015 19:53 Palmar wrote: /in :hype: | ||
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On January 23 2015 08:45 Balla24 wrote: /sitout | ||
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On January 23 2015 10:48 Holyflare wrote: I don't know when I'll be back and my gf's mum just collapsed and went to hospital so probably won't be back for a long while :/ I would still wait for HF tbh | ||
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On January 23 2015 10:49 Holyflare wrote: Signups: 1. IAmRobik 2. Onegu 3. GlowingBear 4. Eden1892 5. liancourt 6. Palmar 7. VisceraEyes 8. Toadesstern 9. Eden1892 eden is playing twice btw yeah it's gonna be real awkward when i roll scum twice | ||
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On January 23 2015 12:05 IAmRobik wrote: WTF...THIS MAN DOESN'T NEED TO SITOUT. LIFT THE BAN. HE'S BEEN GONE FOR LIKE 1/2 A YEAR | ||
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Hey I might be a donkey really slow on the uptake but is this game going to be instant majority | ||
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On January 26 2015 06:06 Toadesstern wrote: Unless... are Eden and liancourt girls as well? ask kush | ||
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will the streak busting continue??????? | ||
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On January 26 2015 08:09 Half the Sky wrote: | ||
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On January 26 2015 08:27 Toadesstern wrote: 'sup Half the sky. Is there some better way to call you? A nickname of some sort? How do you think about lynching me? im goin wit qtpi bc it rimes and shes a gril | ||
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is that relevant to the game? i dont remember | ||
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qtpi aka half tha sky | ||
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also stop bluehunting scum #1 | ||
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shower then dinner then probably mtg and pretending im not playing a mafia game until eod then pretending to catch up and bullshitting a vote for someone i know is town. cya | ||
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On January 26 2015 08:41 GlowingBear wrote: I meant "painting" Because I want to be the sky with you ❤ top scum | ||
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except qtpi. qtpi is confirmed town and i am also confirmed town i changed my mind, im going to lurk instead of afk. i hope that makes me easier to read | ||
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thats not what i said i said read not lynch | ||
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On January 26 2015 09:22 liancourt wrote: what do you think of eden's announcement to lurk to make town easier to lynch him proposal? thats not what i said i said read not lynch | ||
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vote liancourt | ||
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Im using caps now. Im serious. U fucked up kiddi | ||
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On January 26 2015 09:42 Toadesstern wrote: before a certain game started a certain host said he needs more skilled people in his game and asked if I could join. I told him to reserve a slot for me while I read the OP + who's in the game and asked about the 2 or 3 people I didn't know about and he said you're good. He lied, I'm sorry. Man, now there are expectations and I have to pretend to give a damn. Fiiine. I actually do like HTS's play, although it should be noted that this opinion is unrelated to my policy townread of her to start the game. I'll give examples when off mobile but she seemed like she was genuinely trying. Toad seems like a chill dude I guess. liancourt is aggressively null. He's my kill right now, because I'm actually a bureaucrat tasked with the charge of increasing Toad Town's literacy rate at all costs, and I fear he may be illiterate. Robik, Palmar and VisceraEyes are confirmed mafia until they do something too, so now I've already decided the first 4 days of Lynchmas. Joy! | ||
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On January 26 2015 10:25 IAmRobik wrote: vote: halfthesky Great post. Printing out from mobile to frame on the wall of this restaurant. liancourt I have no idea what omgus is, please explain | ||
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On January 26 2015 10:32 liancourt wrote: this doesnt make sense. How does it make GB town by disagreeing with popular opinions? Mafia don't go against the grain early unless their team is under the crosshairs early. No one is under crosshairs so mafia GB doesn't go against grain. Ez | ||
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On January 26 2015 10:37 liancourt wrote: http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Oh_My_God_You_Suck What did I OMGUS | ||
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On January 26 2015 10:42 liancourt wrote: That's an assumption. 2 Assumptions really. I don't like people posting assumptions. Some people take those assumptions to be true then thats when town gets butt raped.... K I need a better refutation of a heuristic (read: an acknowledged assumption used because it works statistically significantly more than it doesn't) than "that's an assumption" before I begin to care about your not liking my reasoning | ||
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What's your reason then? | ||
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Scum read toad town's opening when people seemed to like it Scum read HTS when people townread her Scum read me when other people were unsure (he said I was tops mafia lol) That's rather a lot for the opening | ||
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Xplain like I'm five And drunk at bday dinner cuz I sm | ||
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Sober peopl don't spill lobster on the griyd | ||
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On January 26 2015 11:23 GlowingBear wrote: Uhm... You should know what is odd because I've explained it on the post you supposedly read to say I'm against thread sentiment? I didn't read anything but your toad spoiler And mine but I'm a Marxist | ||
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Narcissist | ||
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It's dark I tried man | ||
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On January 26 2015 11:26 GlowingBear wrote: How do you fucking know I'm against thread sentiment, then??? Whm so mad. Take load off bid I don't gr the question pleas restate | ||
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On January 26 2015 11:27 Toadesstern wrote: the first two weren't popular opinions before he made the posts that are referring to that though. The third one I wouldn't call a popular opinion at all, you even say your self "when other people were unsure" Sounds more like he's comming to other conclusions than most people. He doesn't look like the kind of guy I'd want to sheep (sry) but that's something else than what you said. I doublechecked the timing of his posts after I read your reasoning for townreading him and came to the conclusion that I don't agree with the way you did the read so I would have expected you to check those things as well when formulating your read In gonna reread this late when I can make send of it | ||
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I don't get what these donkey want on bfay diner. It's so mAdnjb | ||
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On January 26 2015 11:31 liancourt wrote: i didn't like toads opening i didnt townread hts i was sure you were playing differently from before. how come i don't agree with any of the points you make? No johns but I might b drink and dum But I swear it makes sense to me Hijole | ||
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On January 26 2015 11:32 Toadesstern wrote: what you said was popular opinion only was popular opinion after he made his posts. He could not have willingly gone against popular opinion unless you're saying it's not about him going against thread sentiment but about being wrong and being wrong makes him town, which is something entirely different. Anyways I'm off for now OHHH wait Are you sayin that he posts reads before those things are prolly at opinion? Beach no didn't read carefully for time stamp | ||
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I trusted autocorrect | ||
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Come on phone | ||
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Lian says I am different from what he remembers so I'm bad But I was scum then If I Different from before isn't that town??? Confused | ||
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On January 26 2015 11:43 GlowingBear wrote: Eden, unfortunately, you're not mastered at the drunken mafia Kung fu like me. I suggest you to go drinking Gatorade (master slam!) and sleep. But enough mafia for today I will prob drunk magic Pls read case on lian | ||
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That's bad | ||
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On January 26 2015 11:46 GlowingBear wrote: HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA I ROFL'D WITH THIS No because you've played imperial mafia very well and you were town. I actually disagree that you looked that townie in that game but you got shot night1 meh. hijole laptop I can type ok now I thik.. Lian played nye mafia. i was mafia then. I was differet from this. Pleas. be patient because this is IMPORTANTT!!! In that game I was unmotivated and had to make myself pos. Here I post from birthday diner. Why woul I do that if unmovitated. | ||
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He says he scumread me for being different than before but last game we played I was mafia. How is his reason making sense? And I even explain how I was different. Dont ignore this please. I will come back to it if people do until they stop. This is a good point. liancourt is just looking for excuse to scumread me with that read | ||
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On January 26 2015 12:11 GlowingBear wrote: This Gatorade was good, you can make sense out of things and type correctly very quickly huh? No. I type very slow now that I have laptop and can try to clean up post. Although I am also coming down I think | ||
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Can you please review my liancourt thing before you go | ||
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Anyway I am back and I ?hope? of sound mind and judgment. I feel like my liancourt read was still pretty coherent. Maybe not in execu-- no, definitely not in execution, but at least in the logic. Let me try to explain it with a little more clarity of mind. My play style was different from both games he's seen from me, and I was mafia in one and town in the other. At the very least he's obscuring the truth by citing Imperial as the inspiration for his read without making any mention of the fact that my play is different from the time he saw me play mafiasided. I feel like a townie would make mention of this and try to give the other player a fair shake instead of simply going "different from this town game therefore mafia!" while ignoring the equally-important "different from this mafia game therefore ???" I also kinda felt like it was a cheap shot trying this kind of obscurantist read while I wasn't quite at full mental capacity, but to be fair it's not his fault that I decided to try new alcohol right before he gave his reads. Idk maybe it's unfair to hold that to him, but I felt like it was more sinister than a misunderstanding or error. I'm gonna go reread but off the top of my head, I have the impression that Toad was town for a particular sequence of decisions: (1) intro post kickstarting discussion into (2) repeated attempts to question/probe other players for their positions while (3) demanding more scrutiny onto himself from other players. Mafia can emulate (1) just fine and regularly do (which is why I just called him a chill dude instead of something alignment-indicative), mafia have a harder time with (2) and especially with (3) - (2) because they struggle to get into a townie mindset and ask questions that make sense / are going somewhere (although it's not a huge struggle, it still requires effort, which is a harder threshold to achieve than you'd think), and (3) because they don't know whether or not they're actually being suspicious/not doing enough to be townread, and so daring people not to townread them so hard/so quickly can come off as tone-deaf with regard to how much a townie should suspect someone and backfire badly. (Imagine the sequence: "Why don't you suspect me?" "Why should I?" "...shouldn't you?" It would clearly indicate a guilty conscience on the part of the first speaker, which wouldn't automatically exist with a townie. Naturally it would never be that obvious, but you get the idea behind it.) None of this is to say that he strictly speaking couldn't do any of what he's done as mafia, but that I think it would be far more likely for him to do it as town. So he's town. I also feel like GlowingBear was townie but I don't remember why. Maybe I'll know when I reread. Robik is suspicious to me because I feel like he's not really been very genuine with his posts. I'll reread to see if I'm right about this, but I remember his post about why he voted for HTS, and his post against GB, and both of them seemed illegit. The HTS thing was probably a joke so eh, but he says "get rekt mafia scum" or whatever when arguing for a kill on GB and it's just like... no one says this. Not even Robik says this. C'mon man. I forgot Onegu even posted so we could kill him too. Palmar as well until he posts | ||
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Anybody here? I'm a little annoyed that everyone was playing while I was off somewhere else and now I'm here and no one else is. :/ | ||
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What are you doing this game to stop this from happening again, bearing in mind that (a) it's easier to do that in a smaller game and (b) a mislynch hurts more in a smaller game? Other updates: Half the Sky is clearly town. I feel that Robik and VisceraEyes are probably town for tilting, but I have no mafia priors on VE and one from close to a year ago on Robik, so it's difficult for me to falsify either feeling. Also anyone whining about drunk posts but not reading and commenting on the big post with reads that came after it is a donkey and should be ashamed. | ||
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That isn't to say his play is good, because it's not. It's underwhelming and he can do better, but I still kinda think he's town for it. Maybe I'm just being dumb and townreading him because he's amusing me though | ||
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On January 27 2015 02:21 Half the Sky wrote: I had gotten to page 4 of your filter and I got sidetracked admittedly. Which is why I am not updating my read on you quite yet. Now I really need to leave the office. well, leave then, don't wait on me lmao That was actually more toward Dr. Toadesstern, esteemed psychologist, who felt it was more important to do a detailed psychoanalysis of why someone would be drunkposting at a party (which I wasn't even at... I said dinner, you'd think someone trying way too hard to justify his prior suspicions would get the details right, nahmean?) than to address the serious post with reads in it and try to read me off of that. and tilting = getting mad/frustrated, it's a cards term | ||
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On January 27 2015 02:23 Palmar wrote: It means leaning a bit. He is comparing them to the tower of Pisa. This is valuable information. A+ | ||
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On January 27 2015 02:21 Palmar wrote: Why do you think that if another me got mad, that present me would also get mad? This confuses me. Sure let's unpack assumptions. I am assuming you are playing to win. You stated in a game in the recent past that you believe your d1 reads to be pretty good, particularly d1 town reads. Presuming you still believe this, and presuming you are town, it is curious to me that you are doing very little in the way of giving reads at the moment, because that runs the risk of one of your town reads getting killed. Even if you don't have town reads, you presumably will eventually get them because you want to win, and once you get them you presumably would want to make sure they don't die because you want to win. You are not doing this, so one of the assumptions above is wrong. Which is it? - You are playing to win - You believe your d1 reads to be pretty good, particularly d1 town reads - You are town | ||
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On January 27 2015 02:37 IAmRobik wrote: WTF are you doing? You literally just said you think Palmar is town and now you're grilling him. Palmar will play the game when he wants to play the game and if he doesn't want to play the game then he'll sub or we'll lynch him he asked me a question mang | ||
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On January 27 2015 02:36 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm still relatively fine with a GB lynch. I still don't like his "mind dumps" and he warned us he'd be doing them all game and now that he's been called out on it they've stopped. Like, it all just stinks of trying to APPEAR to be doing things. Robik going hard on GB too, and I think Robik probably town. Toad seems town to me, though I admit that my read on Toad is possibly bad. Huh, I forgot about that. Good observation. GB where did the mind dumps go? | ||
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nah. Maybe on night 1, although IML is going to be an interesting twist on vca | ||
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On January 27 2015 02:46 Palmar wrote: Announcement: The posts Robik refers to were made deliberately in a quick succession in an elaborate attempt to invoke amusement. | ||
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that's long enough to be policy townread. that sucks where did liancourt go? | ||
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On January 27 2015 03:03 GlowingBear wrote: Ridiculous negotiation. Ridiculous. You had a townread on me and you're considering lynching me so you can get lian lynched? What? Townies, you're risking a mislynch on me. And the blame is all on you. I'm at the beach now so will be more active at night/ If I come back to discover I was hammered, I'm gonna be mad. obviously i'm not townreading you anymore...??? | ||
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- i don't remember why i townread him yesterday lol - he stopped doing the mind posts thing which if he were really trying out i figured he would be continuing to do - idk i'm just sheeping people for now leave me alone we're not even close to eod yet honestly i would really much rather liancourt, but no one's listening | ||
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go read on... p8? where liancourt talked a bunch about toad's opening and statement that he wasn't readable and found it disconcerting and then gb is like "yeah toad is town! whoo!" in the NEXT post lol and then after that (p10 i think) gb townreads liancourt for... agreeing with him on toad when they didn't? idk man it's not great but it adds to the whole "gb is just bsing with his mind notes thing" | ||
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i talked about this multiple times in my last posts yesterday evening and fuckin everyone ignored me so im gonna be obnoxious and requote them | ||
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On January 26 2015 12:07 Eden1892 wrote: I mean the liancourt thing though He says he scumread me for being different than before but last game we played I was mafia. How is his reason making sense? And I even explain how I was different. Dont ignore this please. I will come back to it if people do until they stop. This is a good point. liancourt is just looking for excuse to scumread me with that read | ||
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On January 26 2015 13:04 Eden1892 wrote: Coming-down-Magic was fun but not for why you'd think it would be. Anyway I am back and I ?hope? of sound mind and judgment. I feel like my liancourt read was still pretty coherent. Maybe not in execu-- no, definitely not in execution, but at least in the logic. Let me try to explain it with a little more clarity of mind. My play style was different from both games he's seen from me, and I was mafia in one and town in the other. At the very least he's obscuring the truth by citing Imperial as the inspiration for his read without making any mention of the fact that my play is different from the time he saw me play mafiasided. I feel like a townie would make mention of this and try to give the other player a fair shake instead of simply going "different from this town game therefore mafia!" while ignoring the equally-important "different from this mafia game therefore ???" I also kinda felt like it was a cheap shot trying this kind of obscurantist read while I wasn't quite at full mental capacity, but to be fair it's not his fault that I decided to try new alcohol right before he gave his reads. Idk maybe it's unfair to hold that to him, but I felt like it was more sinister than a misunderstanding or error. | ||
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because that's also wrong he even was so kind as to link to the mafiascum wiki page on omgus which says "it is sometimes used as a shorthand to indicate that you are voting for someone primarily because they voted for you." i didn't vote him, firstly, and secondly i suspected him because his read on me was a half-truth that i felt was deliberately obscuring facts about my meta. reducing it to "he suspects me because i suspect him" is... also obscuring facts, more blatantly whether or not his meta is "vote for his suspect and not explain himself," until his reads are based in fact instead of obscurantism he's my target | ||
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On January 27 2015 04:11 Toadesstern wrote: I agree in that liancourt feels like he is picking his target and once he has picked that he's writing something about them (because he has to) rather than going with the flow. It should be the other way around, you find something weird and you talk about it no matter who it is, especially early on into d1. Is he usually the kind of guy that locks on his target and just goes at it? hts says so, i've only played one game with him where he was town and i was mafia, and he locked onto me. but idk if he just does it in general or was zeroed in on me because i was obvious LOL my issue is less that he's zeroed in on me and refusing to budge or explain himself, because townies and mafia both tunnel on targets all the time. my issue is the reasoning he's using, which i feel like doesn't come from the position of someone who doesn't have the truth and is trying to figure it out, but instead from the position of someone who does have the truth and is trying to obscure it from the others | ||
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On January 27 2015 04:22 Toadesstern wrote: though if he's tunneling he has confirmation bias by definition. If that's what he's doing it's likely he might ignore the parts you're blaming him for simply because he's certain you're mafia and looking at it only one way: Try to point out things that don't fit with your townmeta because you're mafia anyways Both what you said and what I said come down to the same thing I feel. It could very well be malicious just the way I think locking on to just one target could be something malicious because that way he doesn't have to make up stuff about a lot of people and can just focus on one guy. But if he does tunnel a lot that's a moot point. Nah, there's a key difference in what I'm observing - for him to start tunneling on someone he thinks is mafia he first has to have some reason for thinking it. If his initially-given reason for thinking I'm mafia doesn't actually make sense from a townie POV, it makes him significantly less likely to be town and tunneling. Let's say it's d2 and he had done this awesome vote count analysis and made a decent argument for me being mafia. Say I afk'd with my vote on an outlier. He gives his case, then votes me, never reconsiders and starts turning everything I say into something suspicious. He's tunneling on me, but his fundamental argument that began the tunnel is sensible, so he's probably town tunneling. In contrast, let's say it's d1 and he decided I'm mafia because I posted a picture of a puppy. (shit doesn't have to make sense just roll with it) He then never reconsiders and starting turning everything I say into something suspicious. He's tunneling again, but it starts to look a lot more like mafia tunneling to avoid having to engage the thread, because his original reason for suspecting me was bogus and he then starts adjusting his interpretations of everything I say to justify himself post-facto. Obviously he's somewhere in the middle, but as I argued before, I think he's closer to the puppy side than the awesome side of the spectrum. His reasoning outright ignored half of his (two) data points without explanation, which is something I think is more likely to come from mafia than from town. He then proceeds to tunnel and misinterpret what I'm saying. The tunneling can go either way but the ignoring of the data points to make his first read can't. | ||
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On January 27 2015 04:25 Half the Sky wrote: Can someone clarify the term confirmation bias in this game? Or is that the same thing as tunnelling? I see it used often, but I don't know what it means with respect to this game. If you go into an attempt to interpret data with a conclusion about the data already in mind, you are more likely to misinterpret the data you're observing to fit the conclusion than you are to form the rationally optimal conclusion from the data (whatever that conclusion is). Typically this manifests in magnifying data points which support the conclusion while ignoring or discarding data points which don't. The process is unintentional, which is important; it's an innate cognitive bias rather than a deliberate effort. I do have an issue with characterizing liancourt's read as confirmation bias, though, because it presupposes an honest mistake instead of a more insidious, deliberate misrepresentation. The reason I have an issue with that is because I already pointed this mistake out to liancourt and he ignored my pointing it out without issuing a retraction or even addressing it. An honest mistake would be acknowledged and his conclusion would be modified to account for it. This hasn't happened. | ||
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On January 27 2015 04:36 Half the Sky wrote: All people wanting to lynch Liancourt, I urge you to please wait 3-5h until he wakes up before pushing his lynch. He is unable to defend himself because he's asleep. Perspective please. He has one vote and I'm deliberately not voting him to make sure the lynch doesn't snowball and end the day hella early. And while I understand he probably won't be online to defend himself for a little while, these aren't new accusations. I raised these points yesterday, to him, and he ignored me then. If you really want this lead explored, you need to stop pushing people away from raising these questions, because if this just subsides for a few hours he'll probably wake up, look at this discussion, shrug it off and not do anything. | ||
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Pop quiz time. Who can name something of relevance that Onegu has done this game? The answer key is below, please don't peek until y [spoiler] | ||
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Who can name something of relevance that Onegu has done this game? The answer key is below, please don't peek until you've guessed. + Show Spoiler + Nothing | ||
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Please clarify how you suspected me based on me having a similar playstyle to my previous game when my filter was 4 pgs long by the time you voted me and my filter didn't hit p4 until day3 of the game you're citing | ||
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On January 27 2015 07:30 IAmRobik wrote: Actually, would lynch this guy too. HOLY SHIT. I JUST HAD AN EPIPHANY. So GB and Onegu have both essentially done what Ritoky did in the previous game we played. GB is making lists with little substance. I didn't read all of Onegu's posts, but I remember one where he calls me town for being scummy. THIS IS LITERALLY THE EXACT WORDS THAT RITOKY USED IN THAT GAME IN HIS LIST POST: Bolded are the reads on me. Both of them end up calling me town because they know I'm town but do so after saying that I'm scummy. Also, GB's post looks mighty similar to Ritoky's, where he forces himself to include/"read" everyone. Also interesting that he spoils it. It might be confirmation bias, but I think that he expects no one to read it, which is why he spoils it. Like, who the fuck is actually gonna open 9 spoils. I opened the first one, saw his read on me, laughed to myself and then moved on. Eh, I feel like there are town and mafia interpretations for GlowingBear's list. Seems like if I were in his shoes, I'd not repeat the list-with-forced-reads thing if I could avoid it since it led (eventually) to ritoky being caught, y'know? Or at least, all else equal, made him a little more suspicious. The Onegu thing interests me more and I think is more on-point. Additionally, GlowingBear for all of his "brb XYZ" or "afk ABC" posts you cite, has at least made an effort to have thread presence. Token effort, maybe, if he is mafia, but at least he's tried. Onegu hasn't done even that. I would probably still lynch GB over a random other player not named liancourt/Onegu since two of my townreads (you and HTS) are pretty sure on him, but he's maybe third on my list. Really thinking liancourt/Onegu is the way to go right now. I'm definitely not lynching Toad, Robik or HTS today. Palmar is 4th on my list for deliberately abdicating thread presence and Viscera is 5th cause he's not me or my town reads but he's better than the other 4. gg Palmar what three words? I feel like you're still goofing off here. | ||
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I cheated on you. I read the post meant for Palmar. Can I answer it or is a menage-a-trois not your thing right now | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + ok. i actually didn't have anything worth saying here right now, but secret messages are cool. don't tell plumber that he looks fat in his overalls | ||
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If I claimed to have done so last night it's because 18oz of chardonnay was a bad decision. | ||
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i think this is the bullshit heuristic i'm going to use for d1. shouts to my fave student who i told never to do this that one time~ | ||
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On January 27 2015 10:13 Onegu wrote: All my reads make sense sorry you don't understand. original is the keyword, ese | ||
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On January 27 2015 10:28 Half the Sky wrote: How is the above (bolded) alignment indicative? presumably the idea is that VE could be mafia, with the additional information about Robik's alignment implied as the cause of him being able to townread Robik so easily | ||
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On January 27 2015 11:13 liancourt wrote: The part where you HARD defend toad kinda looks familiar to a certain game I played with you... HARD defending your partner lala. There is literally no reason for town to HARD defend another town this detailed. Not sure if toad is his partner yet, but I'll keep my eyes open. Town should be scum hunting not hard defending other players. Everyone who has ever played mafia knows it's less stressful to call someone town than to call someone mafia. And eden here is doing the same thing calling me scum because I caught him and he is OMGUSing me like he did in new years. And people bashed me for this quip earlier???? On January 26 2015 10:05 Eden1892 wrote: liancourt is aggressively null. He's my kill right now, because I'm actually a bureaucrat tasked with the charge of increasing Toad Town's literacy rate at all costs, and I fear he may be illiterate. | ||
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On January 27 2015 07:23 Eden1892 wrote: Please clarify how you suspected me based on me having a similar playstyle to my previous game when my filter was 4 pgs long by the time you voted me and my filter didn't hit p4 until day3 of the game you're citing | ||
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On January 27 2015 11:46 liancourt wrote: I played that meta last game in void. Got me killed d1. I'd policy lynch you too if you don't do anything. Koshi's words. Why are you posting and not answering my questions? | ||
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On January 27 2015 07:23 Eden1892 wrote: Please clarify how you suspected me based on me having a similar playstyle to my previous game when my filter was 4 pgs long by the time you voted me and my filter didn't hit p4 until day3 of the game you're citing On January 27 2015 07:23 Eden1892 wrote: Please clarify how you suspected me based on me having a similar playstyle to my previous game when my filter was 4 pgs long by the time you voted me and my filter didn't hit p4 until day3 of the game you're citing On January 27 2015 07:23 Eden1892 wrote: Please clarify how you suspected me based on me having a similar playstyle to my previous game when my filter was 4 pgs long by the time you voted me and my filter didn't hit p4 until day3 of the game you're citing On January 27 2015 07:23 Eden1892 wrote: Please clarify how you suspected me based on me having a similar playstyle to my previous game when my filter was 4 pgs long by the time you voted me and my filter didn't hit p4 until day3 of the game you're citing On January 27 2015 07:23 Eden1892 wrote: Please clarify how you suspected me based on me having a similar playstyle to my previous game when my filter was 4 pgs long by the time you voted me and my filter didn't hit p4 until day3 of the game you're citing On January 27 2015 07:23 Eden1892 wrote: Please clarify how you suspected me based on me having a similar playstyle to my previous game when my filter was 4 pgs long by the time you voted me and my filter didn't hit p4 until day3 of the game you're citing On January 27 2015 07:23 Eden1892 wrote: Please clarify how you suspected me based on me having a similar playstyle to my previous game when my filter was 4 pgs long by the time you voted me and my filter didn't hit p4 until day3 of the game you're citing On January 27 2015 07:23 Eden1892 wrote: Please clarify how you suspected me based on me having a similar playstyle to my previous game when my filter was 4 pgs long by the time you voted me and my filter didn't hit p4 until day3 of the game you're citing On January 27 2015 07:23 Eden1892 wrote: Please clarify how you suspected me based on me having a similar playstyle to my previous game when my filter was 4 pgs long by the time you voted me and my filter didn't hit p4 until day3 of the game you're citing On January 27 2015 07:23 Eden1892 wrote: Please clarify how you suspected me based on me having a similar playstyle to my previous game when my filter was 4 pgs long by the time you voted me and my filter didn't hit p4 until day3 of the game you're citing On January 27 2015 07:23 Eden1892 wrote: Please clarify how you suspected me based on me having a similar playstyle to my previous game when my filter was 4 pgs long by the time you voted me and my filter didn't hit p4 until day3 of the game you're citing On January 27 2015 07:23 Eden1892 wrote: Please clarify how you suspected me based on me having a similar playstyle to my previous game when my filter was 4 pgs long by the time you voted me and my filter didn't hit p4 until day3 of the game you're citing On January 27 2015 07:23 Eden1892 wrote: Please clarify how you suspected me based on me having a similar playstyle to my previous game when my filter was 4 pgs long by the time you voted me and my filter didn't hit p4 until day3 of the game you're citing On January 27 2015 07:23 Eden1892 wrote: Please clarify how you suspected me based on me having a similar playstyle to my previous game when my filter was 4 pgs long by the time you voted me and my filter didn't hit p4 until day3 of the game you're citing On January 27 2015 07:23 Eden1892 wrote: Please clarify how you suspected me based on me having a similar playstyle to my previous game when my filter was 4 pgs long by the time you voted me and my filter didn't hit p4 until day3 of the game you're citing On January 27 2015 07:23 Eden1892 wrote: Please clarify how you suspected me based on me having a similar playstyle to my previous game when my filter was 4 pgs long by the time you voted me and my filter didn't hit p4 until day3 of the game you're citing On January 27 2015 07:23 Eden1892 wrote: Please clarify how you suspected me based on me having a similar playstyle to my previous game when my filter was 4 pgs long by the time you voted me and my filter didn't hit p4 until day3 of the game you're citing On January 27 2015 07:23 Eden1892 wrote: Please clarify how you suspected me based on me having a similar playstyle to my previous game when my filter was 4 pgs long by the time you voted me and my filter didn't hit p4 until day3 of the game you're citing On January 27 2015 07:23 Eden1892 wrote: Please clarify how you suspected me based on me having a similar playstyle to my previous game when my filter was 4 pgs long by the time you voted me and my filter didn't hit p4 until day3 of the game you're citing On January 27 2015 07:23 Eden1892 wrote: Please clarify how you suspected me based on me having a similar playstyle to my previous game when my filter was 4 pgs long by the time you voted me and my filter didn't hit p4 until day3 of the game you're citing On January 27 2015 07:23 Eden1892 wrote: Please clarify how you suspected me based on me having a similar playstyle to my previous game when my filter was 4 pgs long by the time you voted me and my filter didn't hit p4 until day3 of the game you're citing On January 27 2015 07:23 Eden1892 wrote: Please clarify how you suspected me based on me having a similar playstyle to my previous game when my filter was 4 pgs long by the time you voted me and my filter didn't hit p4 until day3 of the game you're citing On January 27 2015 07:23 Eden1892 wrote: Please clarify how you suspected me based on me having a similar playstyle to my previous game when my filter was 4 pgs long by the time you voted me and my filter didn't hit p4 until day3 of the game you're citing On January 27 2015 07:23 Eden1892 wrote: Please clarify how you suspected me based on me having a similar playstyle to my previous game when my filter was 4 pgs long by the time you voted me and my filter didn't hit p4 until day3 of the game you're citing On January 27 2015 07:23 Eden1892 wrote: Please clarify how you suspected me based on me having a similar playstyle to my previous game when my filter was 4 pgs long by the time you voted me and my filter didn't hit p4 until day3 of the game you're citing On January 27 2015 07:23 Eden1892 wrote: Please clarify how you suspected me based on me having a similar playstyle to my previous game when my filter was 4 pgs long by the time you voted me and my filter didn't hit p4 until day3 of the game you're citing | ||
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Where is everyone else? The only guy in here is a fucking dumbass. Can't handle this. | ||
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On January 27 2015 02:02 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Uncalled for. Consider this a warning. ^pre-emptively quoting my own warning and acknowledging | ||
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On January 27 2015 12:42 liancourt wrote: how do you know where i live??? Are you the stalker that's been stalking me online??????????????????? Why are you ignoring my posts? | ||
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On January 27 2015 12:54 Onegu wrote: Eden that was uncalled for It was. I'm mad. This guy needs to quit ignoring my damn posts. | ||
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On January 27 2015 13:17 liancourt wrote: i actually looked up what confirmation bias was I loled. i do admit i have confirmation bias. In carol i had this, i ignored everything HF said because he was clearly obvious scum and anything he says will try to sway me otherwise. It's also the reason why I'm ignoring his posts right now, even more so because he is OMGUSing me. I'm calling him scum, he's calling me scum. I won't agree to him calling me scum, and he certainly won't agree with me calling him scum. It's like that time in voice mafia when everyone rolled scum and the 4 ppl were trying to convince each other that the other pair was scum and what not...it was like watching a brick wall talking to a brick wall. I will probably policy d1 you in every single game we ever play together until you learn that this is a terrible way to play the game. | ||
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Is this actually happening? I'm not having some absurdist nightmare, right? Because if I'm dreaming of TL that's a whole different problem and I refuse to believe an actual honest to god thinking human being can sincerely think this makes sense in his head | ||
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##UNVOTE ##VOTE: Onegu For not realizing the above about liancourt without the anger johns to justify it | ||
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On January 27 2015 14:23 liancourt wrote: @eden Didn't I say I was co mod for imperial and you played a great d1 in that game. IMO you aren't playing like that in this game. I'm comparing your town to this game. And you aren't playing like town. In new years where u were scum the game state was much different and the thread itself was stale most of the time. Comparing filter sizes seems irrelevant. The game state currently is much more active in this game thus naturally has more posts. I don't think the argument of comparing filter sizes is valid in your defense. I welcome the change in perspective eden. Why do you think onegu is scum? I think he's scum because he just sheeped you after coming into the thread. He doesn't really have any original reads. He posted a list post of well townies and nulls. I have no idea on his meta so if someone can enlighten me that'd be great. my d1 was trash my n1 was ok why don't you actually read my posts and stop tunneling like a donkey? you are playing so antitown right now by continuing to antagonize me for no reason | ||
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On January 27 2015 14:35 liancourt wrote: I'm willing to listen to him because you are more scummy than he is right now and he took off his tunnel vision glasses off. And I sensed genuine anger from eden when i ignored his posts. I've seen mafia fake anger but it kinda felt genuine to me so I'll take a step back and look at you. i wasn't tunneling on you if you're honestly of the opinion that your play didn't deserve a vote i don't know what to say to you | ||
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confirmed VI in my mind when i'm not incredibly fucking mad i'll maybe try to string something coherent together about onegu, suffice to say though that i didn't like onegu's reaction to liancourt and i didn't remember him having any original contributions to the thread that i liked before his reaction to liancourt | ||
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On January 27 2015 14:43 liancourt wrote: ##unvote I'm not antagonizing you I'm saying give me reasons on why you think onegu is scum. i gave the summary. you'd get more concrete reasons if you didn't piss me off to the point where i can't think clearly by intentionally ignoring me and don't even pretend you weren't antagonizing me, you outright said you were ignoring my attempts to work with you | ||
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On January 27 2015 14:44 Onegu wrote: Eden how are you not seeing this, if you have meta together why would antagonize you like this as town, it's only a scum strat to piss you off so much... because outside of being petty and ignoring me i'm not convinced he was trying to and i don't think his purpose in ignoring me was to piss me off so much as it was a probably-amusing-for-him byproduct | ||
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On January 27 2015 11:56 Eden1892 wrote: Someone save me from this tunnel if I'm wrong but this guy doubled down on a bad read with even more terrible reasoning than before and didn't even have the courtesy to answer some simple questions that might give me an opportunity to reconsider just lynching him for making no sense. You can ask people who played Imperial if you don't know this, but I'm pretty reasonable with people I suspect and I make it a point to give them a fair outing. If liancourt isn't gonna play ball then fuck him ##VOTE: liancourt ignoring my questions is choosing not to work with me. if you actually read any of the game you gm'd then you would know this | ||
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someone else show up in the thread and do something. hell, liancourt, do something. you have onegu as top scum, why not go after him yourself? | ||
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On January 27 2015 14:58 liancourt wrote: like what are you trying to do with this post? Calling me scum? Defending yourself? I'm scum hunting. I thought we were going to discuss onegu. Why are you still on this? venting | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On January 27 2015 15:54 Toadesstern wrote: I'm one of the guys that figures out who's town and lynches into whoever is left, starting with the guy my stomach likes the least as I'm usually incredibly confident in my townreads. You're probably not going to see me make long cases about people being mafia. That mostly goes out to you and lian who said he expected me to be someone like Marv/HF... I even told you that I'm the kind of guy that just looks cute and everyone wants to cuddle :3 That being said, a walkthrough of my thoughts lately would be: We lynch into Eden / Lian / Onegu, preferably Lian or Onegu at the point of when I made my general list. Robik if we havn't won by then. Right now I'm fairly confident that I don't want to touch Eden at all, he has been quite impressive the last 24~30 hours or so and like I already said I agree with that one point on GB you did, so he dropped in my list. So for right now it's between Onegu and Lian, leaning towards Onegu. GB for me is an option I'd be willing to discuss but that to me has the same value as a policy lynch because a potential mislynch on GB would be a disaster. Meaning if that guy ends up town we had the easiest votedump for mafia ever for d1. Onegu has that under-the-radar but not just completly afk feel to him I don't like. Lian I have to reread some because people apparently think he got super towny in the last couple hours? I'd also like to add Palmar to the list because he still hasn't done shit at all but let's be honest here, he knows me good enough to know that I'd only be pressuring and asking people to give him one more day if push comes to shove. I've seen him behave exactly like this as town multiple times (I think? at least once), which doesn't make him town but I'd try to avoid that lynch d1. this post is why he might be mafia | ||
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On January 27 2015 18:08 Palmar wrote: okay, thank you for supplying valuable information. stop reading. you'll be disappointed as the value of my information in subsequent posts greatly declines | ||
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On January 27 2015 18:03 Palmar wrote: Eden is town So this leaves: GB lian Toad Onegu But then again I'm bad and idk. The best argument against GB is that he attempted to create a framework for his thought process and didn't really follow it through. It is very tempting to create a framework for yourself when you're mafia "I am only going to read 2 people today", "I am going to do list posts and update them", because it makes posting easier, you just follow whichever formula you have supplied and no one suspects a thing! simple, right? I can't remember why I think Toad is maybe mafia. But he really could be. The other two I haven't read that much. no visceraeyes on list. ._?_0_i | ||
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how you gonna turn around and be like "oh yeah lian/onegu/gb were my lynches" | ||
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On January 27 2015 19:05 Toadesstern wrote: I said GB flipping town would be the same as a failed policy lynch which is the reason he's behind the other two despite being on the same "level" for me. He might even be slightly more scummy. you're worrying too much about how the wagons might or might not look at EOD and too little about tracking down and lynching your suspects. refocus please | ||
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Congrats to everyone but HTS for making the past 5 pages unreadable. I figured after I did it we would all see that it was a huge mistake and not ever do it again~ | ||
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On January 28 2015 03:58 Half the Sky wrote: Just checked. Palmar unvoted. The four currently on GB (in order): HTS, Robik, Toad, VE Please unvote I know you really want this lynch, and we can have it later if you want. But we have 1d4h left. Don't throw it away | ||
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On January 28 2015 03:59 Toadesstern wrote: What are the chances of Palmer picking me as his target of choice if he were to be mafia VE? What Palmar has done so far is: 1) have a fun time and not caring a lot (town-ish) 2) ask a bunch of oneline questions inbetween that might seem like they do something but havn't actually ever ended up producing anything (mafia-ish) 3) And finally he did that one big post about me I was waiting for Palmars first big thing and see what it would be. The fact that it's about me and I know it to be bullshit makes things a bit difficult to judge here... I mean I understand the misunderstanding, at the same time Eden picked the exact same thing up, I explained it to him and it's apparently bad phrasing from me if that's how those two read it I just don't think I'd be the guy he'd go after if he's mafia. He'd have an easier time going after one of Onegu, GB and Lian given that most people, including myself want them somewhat dead and at least one of them has to be town. Please unvote I know you really want this lynch, and we can have it later if you want. But we have 1d4h left. Don't throw it away | ||
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On January 28 2015 03:56 IAmRobik wrote: I'm saying that that read is what I've already said. Coulda just said "i think he's mafia for the reasons that robik stated earlier" Please unvote I know you really want this lynch, and we can have it later if you want. But we have 1d4h left. Don't throw it away | ||
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On January 28 2015 03:53 VisceraEyes wrote: ##Vote: GlowingBear I don't have to tell you shit. I don't care if you THINK you've debunked my reasons. Please, tell me again how voting for yourself makes you town. Get lynched, GB. Please unvote I know you really want this lynch, and we can have it later if you want. But we have 1d4h left. Don't throw it away | ||
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On January 28 2015 04:04 Toadesstern wrote: also mafia would have hammered that if we had 28hours left and we were at 4 votes. GB mafia, gg bingo, unless both mafia were already on gb | ||
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On January 28 2015 04:08 Toadesstern wrote: do you think there's 2 mafias between: Half the Sky, IAmRobik, VisceraEyes, Toadesstern ? Not even Palmar would agree with that because he thinks it's GB + me, which might be some kind of an exception as well because GB might not vote for himself. Then again, he already showed that he does and it would get him -28 hours for town... I think he'd take that as mafia in his spot. It's not impossible. HTS is the only person on that list I would say absolutely isn't mafia. Robik is very probably town, but it's worthy to note that a lot of his getting townread is that he's said the "right" things about a player (GlowingBear) popularly perceived as mafia, and so if GB is town (which the 2-mafia-on-GB theory necessarily implies), that has to be reevaluated. And I'm still uneasy about you and concerned about VE. So I'm still considering that possibility, yeah. Alternatively, GB could be mafia and his partner could have already tried to bus before the self-vote. There's nothing that anyone can say right now that can move any of those possibilities out of the realm of statistically significant chance, so I want time to evaluate all of them. | ||
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On January 28 2015 01:23 GlowingBear wrote: Yeah, that is a scum giving up. Gg well played GB, if you're town, why post this? I understand getting frustrated, but you posting this and then retracting your self-vote honestly looks like mafia getting cold feet about self-hammering. Toad looks like he might have a pretty compelling point about his panicking over Palmar here. | ||
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On January 28 2015 04:20 Half the Sky wrote: If GB somehow isn't mafia, this would have to mean Palmar AND Onegu ARE scum. Because Robik and I were ALREADY on him. But Onegu was NOT sold and thought GB was martyring so we cannot make that association. I'm not following your conclusion here, Onegu not hammering town!GB and defending him instead is an odd decision to make if Onegu is mafia. GB gift-wrapped himself to be lynched there, Onegu could have just been like "lol policy vote martyrs" and no one would really have batted an eye. If GB is town then I think Onegu has to be town too. | ||
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i'm not even talkin about you LMAO I was trying to figure out a reason why mafia!GB would get cold feet about martyring, and the only thing I thought of is that he might have seen you flipping your shit about getting lynched and tried to get on that ice instead But it doesn't matter b/c you flipped out after GB unmartyred so | ||
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On January 28 2015 04:19 Eden1892 wrote: GB, if you're town, why post this? I understand getting frustrated, but you posting this and then retracting your self-vote honestly looks like mafia getting cold feet about self-hammering. | ||
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I have no idea what GB was thinking. I kinda wish you hadn't raised that possibility until he answered, though, because it's gonna be really difficult for me not to roll my eyes and say "yeah, sure, you're not just taking the answer HTS gave you" if that's his actual reason. | ||
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On January 28 2015 04:41 GlowingBear wrote: Eden, I have voted myself as a e part of a play. Like clockwork. SMH When you're not driving can you elaborate as to what we're supposed to be seeing? | ||
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On January 28 2015 05:25 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Untouchable Votecount GlowingBear (3): Half the Sky, IAmRobik, Onegu (2): Eden1892, liancourt liancourt (1): Paulmark (1): Toadesstern (0): IAmRobik (0): Eden1892 (0): With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch. Deadline is in . If no majority is reached before then, the day will be a no lynch. Lmao qtpi I'll get to ya questions in a sec, quadruple-tasking atm lol | ||
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On January 28 2015 04:42 Half the Sky wrote: Alright Eden, then, since you are waiting on him, let's change focus to Palmar and VE. I am assuming you've had plenty of game time with Palmar. If this is not the case, then guess we'll have to move on. I have been taking a lot of people here at face value in general simply because I've not played with them. Right now, nothing that I've seen from VE is inherently scummy. I don't know if he's posting more/less relative to other games, for example. Palmar I didn't like his trolling. When he comes in, his arguments on Toad did make sense but just that I was much more convinced on GB. But then he puts vote #4 under policy, when at least two others (Robik and myself) were scumreading him. So that begs the question why Palmar didn't check our scumreads. Does this make sense? A little face time with him, yeah. Not enough to really have a meaningful meta read on him, though - two games, one in which he was nightkilled n1 and one in which I was. I felt like Palmar was more trolly to start than normal; he tends to ease his way into games, but it took longer and was more exaggerated than I remember. And then oddly enough once he started trying, he seemed more invested than I remember, too. Shrug. What do you mean by check your scumreads? And I honestly haven't seen anything from VE that gave me much of an impression that I remember. | ||
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On January 28 2015 06:52 VisceraEyes wrote: ##Vote: GlowingBear I'm not sure if that was missed or whatever. ^this shit, right here. stop it | ||
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(a) His lynch has been way too easy. We could have had him already several times if we'd wanted it, and I think if this weren't IML he would have been lynched by now. (b) I'm inclined to believe him when he says he had a plan with his self-voting. I don't know what the plan is, and he's gonna have to explain it or get lynched, but pending a reasonable-sounding explanation, I'll believe that he's town. From there I'm gonna go look at the other players. I'm town and I feel pretty strongly that Half the Sky is as well. The first player I'm looking at is Onegu, because like I said before, if GlowingBear is town, then Onegu is town as well. I explained this early on p46, feel free to look back and see. Onegu is town. I have a bad feeling about both Robik and Palmar. Robik has been very loud and animated about lynching GlowingBear, who I believe now to be town, and has done very little - nothing noteworthy enough for me to remember, anyway - outside of talking about killing GlowingBear. And from what I recall his original reasoning wasn't very good. Furthermore, I really didn't like the "playing to wincon" part of his accusation against GB. As I noted before, the only way Robik can accuse GB of not playing to win con as confidently as he did is if he knows GB is town, because mafia self-hammering can absolutely be part of the mafia win con (whereas town self-hammering never is part of town win con). Perhaps I'm getting greedy; I don't really believe in "scumslips." But I kinda think this was one. Palmar, on the other hand, I feel more confident is mafia. I noted on p47 that Palmar seemed like a slightly more exaggerated version of himself in this game; he seemed to be more aggressively trolly/apathetic to start the day and then more aggressively active/ostensibly-helpful once that stopped. In my (limited) experience with Palmar as town, he tends to ease his way into a game; there's very little pushing to the degree he's done here, and his warmup process is slower and smoother. He doesn't go from 0 to 90 fucks given like he has here; it's more of a steady press on the give-a-fuck accelerator. It feels like he dropped a brick on the accelerator this game, like he was trying to make sure no one could question that he was being active and involved now. Then there's his vote for GlowingBear... HTS already noted it. It's a policy vote, not a vote for mafia. The problem is that it's a policy vote based on GB martyring that's stayed on GB after GB retracted his self-vote. Policy votes are meant to be done to discourage the behavior triggering the policy vote. For them to be effective, then, there must be an incentive to revoke the behavior - a revoked vote in exchange. Palmar hasn't met GB halfway. If he really cares about the policy being effective, why is he not retracting his vote? On the other hand, if Palmar was just looking for a nice-sounding reason to put a vote down on GB (L-1 no less) and walk away, it makes perfect sense. Toad and VE are still in my null pile; I don't see myself pursuing either of them as lynches today. liancourt, I still think is probably town because I can put myself in what I project to be his shoes and make sense of it from a townie POV. ##UNVOTE: Onegu ##VOTE: Palmar | ||
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On January 28 2015 01:46 GlowingBear wrote: Palmar, getting behind the martyr policy is the easiest way to avoid responsibility. And I think GlowingBear is town for real now. It happened hours ago but it's kinda like when two townies simultaneously post the same idea, if I'm reading the sequence of a particular set of events and thinking XYZ and then I keep reading and see XYZ, it makes me think they're town. | ||
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On January 28 2015 08:20 Onegu wrote: Ok can we talk about my liancourt case? Like since GB stepped off the cliff, and is most likely town doing the same shit I did. I think a liancourt lynch is best, followed by palmar, like getting it pointed out he didn't pollicy lynch someone in another game that martyred is a big red flag. Plus it is highly likely that liancourt is mafia and just wasn't around to hammer GB as he was sleeping because it was like 2am in Korea at the time i think. I wouldn't say highly likely, but the timezone differential is a good point. I think I'd rather kill Palmar though judging by his reaction in the thread to GB. btw are you in Thailand? I thought I saw recently you posted that you were in the US | ||
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On January 28 2015 09:59 GlowingBear wrote: Eden, I've got home. Ok, listen. An idea crossed my mind: if I vote myself, I would be two votes away from being hammered. Obvious scum would get me lynched quickly if both mafia voted me. If that happened, well, town would figure it out very quickly and game over for them. If both mafia were already voting for me, all they needed to do was to try to convince the thread to vote me. But what I think would be the most smart play for mafia would be to be airtime wishy washy but then quickly voting me and finally waiting for a townie to vote for me. The guy who would hammer a town would be VERY suspicious. This way, mafia avoids responsibility and gets a townie mislynched. You see, if you see someone voting for himself, SPECIALLY in an instant majority game like this, you HAVE to take a step back and consider what's going on. You can't jumping to the lynch too quickly because you risk getting a townie mislynched. You have to think about what's going on. You understand what I'm trying to say here? I voted myself expecting a mafia behaviour, and I saw that behaviour on Palmar. Holy shit that was actually a lot better than I thought it would be. A+ and I'm not joking. This guy is not the lynch today. | ||
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On January 28 2015 10:11 Palmar wrote: Just shut the fuck up GB, this is an awful line of thought. It really isn't. | ||
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On January 28 2015 10:19 Palmar wrote: However, this bullshit probably makes GB town: Mafia is in toad, lian, onegu. can't be Onegu | ||
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On January 28 2015 04:22 Eden1892 wrote: I'm not following your conclusion here, Onegu not hammering town!GB and defending him instead is an odd decision to make if Onegu is mafia. GB gift-wrapped himself to be lynched there, Onegu could have just been like "lol policy vote martyrs" and no one would really have batted an eye. If GB is town then I think Onegu has to be town too. | ||
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But if you think GB is town then Onegu coming in and defending a townie at L-1 is like absolutely the last thing mafia would do lol. | ||
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On January 28 2015 04:22 Eden1892 wrote: I'm not following your conclusion here, Onegu not hammering town!GB and defending him instead is an odd decision to make if Onegu is mafia. GB gift-wrapped himself to be lynched there, Onegu could have just been like "lol policy vote martyrs" and no one would really have batted an eye. If GB is town then I think Onegu has to be town too. | ||
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I still just remember him being loud about killing GB who's town and as soon as that stalled out he afk'd. And that maybe-slip about win con still sticks in my craw. I don't think I'm voting him today but my lynch pool is shrinking rapidly and he's not a reason why | ||
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- Robik - Palmar - GB - VE - Each other And I think that does it | ||
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- Each other - Palmar - GB - VE | ||
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On January 28 2015 12:07 IAmRobik wrote: Eden and Palmar: I just read pg 50 and am utterly baffled at how you two are analyzing what GB said. He had absolutely no reason to fear being lynched in that spot as mafia and his explanation is total horseshit. "think about the vote" means nothing. LITERALLY NOTHING. You gave him 11 hours to fabricate a reason for the self-vote when it was obvious he was fucking conceding as mafia. Then he comes back with an explataion that is such utter horseshit that I'm amazed that you actually consider it. Am I wrong about you? Are you Adam Sandler from the Waterboy? "I self voted because I knew that mafia wouldn't hammer me" NO SHIT. HE VOTED TO MAKE IT 3 VOTES ON HIM. TOWN IS A BUNCH OF PUSSIES AND ABSOLUTELY NEVER EVER EVER hammer in that spot. It just doesn't hammer. And if someone votes him (like palmar did), he can just unvote mere minutes later. I'm literally blown away by the stupidity in this thread from people whose play I actually respect. I don't know if I can even keep reading what happens from pg 51-53 because my hands are shaking that's how mad I am He got to L-1 with other people going "yeah I could lynch GB." What part of that wouldn't be reason to fear being lynched? I don't follow you. I do not understand why you're so mad either. What's wrong? There's plenty of time to kill him if you're right and convincing. | ||
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On January 28 2015 12:36 Onegu wrote: How can you keep making posts that say absolutely nothing with almost all of your posts? a+ | ||
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On January 28 2015 12:41 liancourt wrote: eden eden eden...what are you doing man...i disagree with practically everything in this post because this is based on vote analysis. Am I correct in understanding that this is all based on gb self voting and him not being hammered and etc. The thinking behind if gb = town ergo onegu = town...i don't know how you come to this conclusion. If this equation makes sense to you then certainly if gb = scum ergo onegu = scum will make sense to you also. Yes? I don't understand how this post came about. Why did you quote this big post with multiple reads in it, dismiss all of it as being about vote analysis when it isn't, and then pick at one point out of these and act like I didn't explain it when I explicitly said "go read on p46 where I explained this" in the post?? | ||
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- I don't get where he's coming from on a lot of his posts and the thinking behind them seems lazy/poorly developed. Unfortunately, and I don't mean this insultingly, but I don't know if he's a better town player than to play like this. - He's in my POE pile. - His only targets have been people who suspected him at some point. Combined with me not understanding his reads and I get this vague sense he's just posting to post, like Onegu said. It's weird 'cause he asks GB how his reads have developed, which is a decent question to ask if you're looking for mafia, but I feel like he would totally fail that question himself because so much of his suspecting people is omgus. | ||
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Specific to me, why do you repeatedly criticize my logic on GB/Onegu without actually (a) asking me about my logic, (b) posting your reasons for disagreeing with my logic or even (c) acknowledging at all that you've actually seen the post in which I explained my logic? | ||
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On January 28 2015 13:45 Onegu wrote: I don't mind you making posts one after another, but A) you aren't pushing your reads. B) your catch up posts have little to no substance C) then you just peace out This isn't town behavior, you are not trying to solve the game you are just trying to look busy. ^^This. I'm not mad like last night, I'm just annoyed because you're in the thread posting a bunch of stuff but it makes no sense to me and I can't seem to get through to you with the questions I ask to try to get it clarified. I'm not trying to get you to replace out or banned or anything like that. I'm just frustrated with what you're choosing to reply to. Like this for example. You reply to one of my annoyed one-liners but not the question I just posed afterward, and you reply assuming I'm just trying to insult you without even acknowledging my repeated efforts to understand your POV so I'm not left going "wtf is this guy doing?" What am I left to do here? You're posting what looks to me like idle babble, I've repeatedly asked you questions to try to understand how it isn't idle babble because I respect your ability enough to give it a fair hearing, and then you don't answer them and don't do anything. Then you come back several hours later, post more stuff that looks to me like idle babble, and the cycle repeats. I don't want to lynch you because I don't know that you're mafia, but you're making yourself incomprehensible to me. And if it's a deliberate choice to be incomprehensible -- and it's hard to believe that it's anything else, because you keep ducking my questions -- then what am I left with but lynching you? A vital part of this game for town is being able to understand other players' perspectives, to get in their heads a bit and see why they would think what they think when they thought it. You are denying me the tools to do this. What am I supposed to do? | ||
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On January 28 2015 14:39 Half the Sky wrote: One thing I want to draw attention to before I go - some people here suspect Toad (someone voted him too I think???) and some suspect liancourt. Possibility of that scum team - does it make sense? I don't like associative reads again, but since night is silent I think we need to keep on the backs of our minds... Take a note on the interactions between those two. Lian has drawn attention to Toad's way of posting like he can't get a read on him. Is that a weak enough case where if he flips we might just leave Toad alone because he scumread him? It's WIFOM and such but it's something to consider. Toad has leaned towards Lian being scum but prioritised Onegu over him in each of his scum lists. Though I'm not seeing hard pushes on any of them. Maybe it sounds crazy but I thought I'd bring the idea up since some are scumreading (or at least null leaning scum) on at least one of these. It's not crazy, it's been bouncing around in my head for a while that they could be a viable team. I just haven't bothered with it because I'm trying to find the best lynch today and worry about it later - but since we're talking about it, no, you're more on-point than you think, iyam. | ||
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On January 28 2015 01:41 IAmRobik wrote: Were you making them big plays GB with that self-vote? Was that your grandiose plan this whole time? You're a fucking genius!!!! Oh wait, nope, you're just mafia who got scared about getting banned for playing against win-con. robik I still need this explained. How was GB self-voting against mafia win con? | ||
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On January 28 2015 11:02 GlowingBear wrote: Lian is probably town, why are you voting him again? Why do you think liancourt is probably town? | ||
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On January 28 2015 02:30 VisceraEyes wrote: I think Eden and HTS are both super town. I'm LEANING town on liancourt because of how he "responded" to Eden freaking out. I still suspect Palmar of being mafia and I'm still suspecting GB. Palmar coming in and actually trying to lynch someone moves him out of my lynch preferences for today, so GB is my default as of right now. Unless someone can convince me that Toad is the best lynch, I'm going to look for a better lynch than GB, in case there is one. On January 28 2015 10:24 VisceraEyes wrote: Ehhhhh...I think I like this the most. ##Unvote ##Vote: liancourt Palmar feel free to elaborate on your Toad read whenever you get the chance. If I agree with it I might reconsider - I'm historically bad at reading Toad, so meh. What changed? | ||
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On January 27 2015 01:27 Toadesstern wrote: I'd be happy if some of you guys unvoted GB for now. It's an instant majority game and I don't feel confident in going forwards to lynch anyone right now so please let me have more time to read and interact with people. In particularly I'd like to hear some thoughts, particularly from VE and Palmar on Eden and his behavior yesterday + Show Spoiler [my thoughts, spoiler for readability] + so like I said, his innitial read on GB was bullshit but I didn't mind it that much. It boiled down to him not checking timestamps and if he's really on a party phoneposting no way in hell is he reading carefully enough for that. He then continued to get more pressure and started to post garbage like crazy. A lot more drunk, a lot more unreadable than before. And I'm just sitting here thinking about how likely it is that actually happened... For me it's something like this: party - phoneposting - drunk Out of those 3 only 2 work together. If I'm on a party phoneposting I don't get that drunk because I'm reading a mafiagame and posting on my phone. Apparently not that good of a party. If I'm drunk on a party I'm having fun, maybe I'd phonepost something early but if I'm really that drunk because the party's amazing I don't touch my phone anymore and have fun on the party About VE: I know I said I don't like talking about it... but it just sounds really fake to me. On the other hand, if he actually was drunk he's more likely to overreact like that ... It's just that last game as town I wanted to lynch BH, BH posted pics of his appartment and said he's moving so I didn't lynch him and it was really stupid of me (why would he sign up for a game if he knows he's going to move 2 days after the game starts...) and I don't want that to happen again I liked this post http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/475954-hammertime-mafia?page=16#310 from VE he did recently. Liked as in, I think that's something he'd post. I don't really agree with the first part and I am particularly worried that he picked that read as his vote so early when it's quite obvious that GB is perhaps one of the weak points of the playerfield (sry). GB, to me seems like the easy mislynch right now. Could be VE feels a lot stronger about that read the way he phrased it but I don't hold GB to the same standards as I hold most other people in here, so he's getting a pass based from me right now. All in all I'm leaning towards Eden, liancourt and Palmar right now. Lian because like I already mentioned I didn't like the fact that I had to be the one to point at the timestamps of HIS target + somethings bothering me about how he's appearing in here. Can't put my finger on it yet. Palmar mostly by process of elimination because Eden + lian doesn't make sense together. So it all goes back to So first thing is why did you ever scumread me for phoneposting while drinking at birthday dinner? This is a really dumb reason to suspect someone. Basically why so serious? Why not either try to interpret what I was saying (which wasn't THAT jumbled, I was clear on one point at least because I've kept raising it throughout the day), or say "Meh, I can't read his posts, he's null until he does something coherent." Makes no sense. And even if it were true that I were at a party, the idea that I'm mafia for taking time out of the party makes me more suspicious, when as mafia I could afk for 100% legit reasons, is silly. You would basically have to believe I made that whole thing up and spent like 1.5 hrs pretending to drunkpost for this to make sense, and that's ridiculous. Why did you POE Palmar as mafia here when you would later go on to declare him null slightly town (without any kind of signposting in-between to indicate a shift in opinion) and also declare several other nulls? Why did your townread of liancourt evaporate because he didn't notice any timestamps in posts? On January 27 2015 15:54 Toadesstern wrote: I'm one of the guys that figures out who's town and lynches into whoever is left, starting with the guy my stomach likes the least as I'm usually incredibly confident in my townreads. You're probably not going to see me make long cases about people being mafia. That mostly goes out to you and lian who said he expected me to be someone like Marv/HF... I even told you that I'm the kind of guy that just looks cute and everyone wants to cuddle :3 That being said, a walkthrough of my thoughts lately would be: We lynch into Eden / Lian / Onegu, preferably Lian or Onegu at the point of when I made my general list. Robik if we havn't won by then. Right now I'm fairly confident that I don't want to touch Eden at all, he has been quite impressive the last 24~30 hours or so and like I already said I agree with that one point on GB you did, so he dropped in my list. So for right now it's between Onegu and Lian, leaning towards Onegu. GB for me is an option I'd be willing to discuss but that to me has the same value as a policy lynch because a potential mislynch on GB would be a disaster. Meaning if that guy ends up town we had the easiest votedump for mafia ever for d1. Onegu has that under-the-radar but not just completly afk feel to him I don't like. Lian I have to reread some because people apparently think he got super towny in the last couple hours? I'd also like to add Palmar to the list because he still hasn't done shit at all but let's be honest here, he knows me good enough to know that I'd only be pressuring and asking people to give him one more day if push comes to shove. I've seen him behave exactly like this as town multiple times (I think? at least once), which doesn't make him town but I'd try to avoid that lynch d1. If the first sentence about finding townreads is true then why did you spend the whole first half of the phase naming your scumreads instead of your townreads? How can you say "preferably Onegu" when he was ahead of me and liancourt? If you're paying so much attention to timestamps that you scumread liancourt for not doing so, how do you manage to call me "impressive" for the entire length of the game to that point while also wanting to kill me for the entire length of the game to that point? Why did you have Palmar as a POE mafia read if your policy is to give him a day to prove himself town? | ||
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On January 28 2015 18:14 VisceraEyes wrote: Palmar and GB both swinging back toward townie to me. Though I WOULD like Palmar to explain his push on Toad in greater detail. I asked him once and he explained nothing. He sounded townie when he came back though. Lian is just doing the least to figure out the game to me. Like there are things in most peoples' filters that makes me think they're town and lian just has a lack of that. OK, I agree with all this, and it lines up pretty well with your progression of scumreads and evolving view of the game state. And since you answered in 11 minutes instead of 110 you're probably town. #PalmarWasRight | ||
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On January 27 2015 01:27 Toadesstern wrote: I'd be happy if some of you guys unvoted GB for now. It's an instant majority game and I don't feel confident in going forwards to lynch anyone right now so please let me have more time to read and interact with people. In particularly I'd like to hear some thoughts, particularly from VE and Palmar on Eden and his behavior yesterday + Show Spoiler [my thoughts, spoiler for readability] + so like I said, his innitial read on GB was bullshit but I didn't mind it that much. It boiled down to him not checking timestamps and if he's really on a party phoneposting no way in hell is he reading carefully enough for that. He then continued to get more pressure and started to post garbage like crazy. A lot more drunk, a lot more unreadable than before. And I'm just sitting here thinking about how likely it is that actually happened... For me it's something like this: party - phoneposting - drunk Out of those 3 only 2 work together. If I'm on a party phoneposting I don't get that drunk because I'm reading a mafiagame and posting on my phone. Apparently not that good of a party. If I'm drunk on a party I'm having fun, maybe I'd phonepost something early but if I'm really that drunk because the party's amazing I don't touch my phone anymore and have fun on the party About VE: I know I said I don't like talking about it... but it just sounds really fake to me. On the other hand, if he actually was drunk he's more likely to overreact like that ... It's just that last game as town I wanted to lynch BH, BH posted pics of his appartment and said he's moving so I didn't lynch him and it was really stupid of me (why would he sign up for a game if he knows he's going to move 2 days after the game starts...) and I don't want that to happen again I liked this post http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/475954-hammertime-mafia?page=16#310 from VE he did recently. Liked as in, I think that's something he'd post. I don't really agree with the first part and I am particularly worried that he picked that read as his vote so early when it's quite obvious that GB is perhaps one of the weak points of the playerfield (sry). GB, to me seems like the easy mislynch right now. Could be VE feels a lot stronger about that read the way he phrased it but I don't hold GB to the same standards as I hold most other people in here, so he's getting a pass based from me right now. All in all I'm leaning towards Eden, liancourt and Palmar right now. Lian because like I already mentioned I didn't like the fact that I had to be the one to point at the timestamps of HIS target + somethings bothering me about how he's appearing in here. Can't put my finger on it yet. Palmar mostly by process of elimination because Eden + lian doesn't make sense together. So it all goes back to So first thing is why did you ever scumread me for phoneposting while drinking at birthday dinner? This is a really dumb reason to suspect someone. Basically why so serious? Why not either try to interpret what I was saying (which wasn't THAT jumbled, I was clear on one point at least because I've kept raising it throughout the day), or say "Meh, I can't read his posts, he's null until he does something coherent." Makes no sense. And even if it were true that I were at a party, the idea that I'm mafia for taking time out of the party makes me more suspicious, when as mafia I could afk for 100% legit reasons, is silly. You would basically have to believe I made that whole thing up and spent like 1.5 hrs pretending to drunkpost for this to make sense, and that's ridiculous. Why did you POE Palmar as mafia here when you would later go on to declare him null slightly town (without any kind of signposting in-between to indicate a shift in opinion) and also declare several other nulls? Why did your townread of liancourt evaporate because he didn't notice any timestamps in posts? On January 27 2015 15:54 Toadesstern wrote: I'm one of the guys that figures out who's town and lynches into whoever is left, starting with the guy my stomach likes the least as I'm usually incredibly confident in my townreads. You're probably not going to see me make long cases about people being mafia. That mostly goes out to you and lian who said he expected me to be someone like Marv/HF... I even told you that I'm the kind of guy that just looks cute and everyone wants to cuddle :3 That being said, a walkthrough of my thoughts lately would be: We lynch into Eden / Lian / Onegu, preferably Lian or Onegu at the point of when I made my general list. Robik if we havn't won by then. Right now I'm fairly confident that I don't want to touch Eden at all, he has been quite impressive the last 24~30 hours or so and like I already said I agree with that one point on GB you did, so he dropped in my list. So for right now it's between Onegu and Lian, leaning towards Onegu. GB for me is an option I'd be willing to discuss but that to me has the same value as a policy lynch because a potential mislynch on GB would be a disaster. Meaning if that guy ends up town we had the easiest votedump for mafia ever for d1. Onegu has that under-the-radar but not just completly afk feel to him I don't like. Lian I have to reread some because people apparently think he got super towny in the last couple hours? I'd also like to add Palmar to the list because he still hasn't done shit at all but let's be honest here, he knows me good enough to know that I'd only be pressuring and asking people to give him one more day if push comes to shove. I've seen him behave exactly like this as town multiple times (I think? at least once), which doesn't make him town but I'd try to avoid that lynch d1. If the first sentence about finding townreads is true then why did you spend the whole first half of the phase naming your scumreads instead of your townreads? 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I'm town, HTS is town. Palmar and I are on the same wavelength on Toad so he's town. That means his townreads of VE and Robik are also correct. This leaves the following four people to lynch into: Toadesstern, GlowingBear, liancourt, Onegu. We have 2 MLs and there are 2 mafia. Lynch all 4 and this game is auto. In order I would probably do Toadesstern, liancourt, Onegu, GlowingBear ##UNVOTE: liancourt ##VOTE: Toadesstern | ||
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I suspect Toad because those last 2 posts I quoted and asked questions about were full of holes that betrayed a mafia mentality to me. The inconsistencies simply cannot come from a townie mindset imo. The townreads/scumreads question I asked is probably the best example: Toad explicitly tells us how he tries to find mafia, presumably we're supposed to take this as a genuine statement, but if you read his filter he doesn't actually follow this at all. If he were town and told us he scumhunts by trying to find townreads, we should be able to go through his filter and find posts principally oriented toward determining whether or not someone is clearly town and POEing from there. Instead most of his focus is in identifying suspects. His reads also aren't adequately steelmanned. They're weak. His reasoning for suspecting people not only isn't good reasoning, but the people he picks out have better cases already made for them or have done things that are more suspicious. His read on liancourt is a superb example of this: Where Onegu and I have made reasonably sound arguments for lynching liancourt - a lack of actual interacting with the thread, sparse posts that are very light on substance - Toad allegedly suspects liancourt for... having to have it pointed out to him that I messed up the timestamps in my argument for townreading GB. This is a bad reason to suspect liancourt because it's not alignment-indicative at all. For how active he's been in the thread, one ought expect better from him than this, were he town. | ||
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On January 28 2015 18:39 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm wifflewaffling between Onegu and lian. Like...Onegu's read on liancourt is really weird. Early on he seems to just want more activity from liancourt, and when lian finally does come in and do things Onegu's IMMEDIATE reaction is "That's the scummiest shit ever" Onegu has a great argument for lynching liancourt. On January 28 2015 13:45 Onegu wrote: I don't mind you making posts one after another, but A) you aren't pushing your reads. B) your catch up posts have little to no substance C) then you just peace out This isn't town behavior, you are not trying to solve the game you are just trying to look busy. liancourt's posting this game has been to afk for most of it, then show up and respond to events that are of varying significance long after they cease to be relevant, say nothing insightful about these events, not interact with people in the thread, and then afk again to repeat the cycle. That's a great reason to lynch someone. And Onegu keeps pushing the lynch when he's around to do it. I'm not really seeing how they're equivalent at all tbh. | ||
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On January 28 2015 19:09 GlowingBear wrote: Eden, I'm reading lian as town because he had the same thoughts as I on toads entrance and he scumread you and pushed you like hell. He tends to do this as town. There is one thing I'm weary of: he is actually not that confident or trying to get someone lynched. He is just applying pressure. But I still have a town read on him. I'm not seeing how he's applying pressure. His posting style just doesn't allow for it. If he's pressing me and I know the guy is liable to bounce from the thread and not follow up on his questioning me, why would I feel any incentive to take his questions seriously? I argued earlier about him tunneling me not necessarily being town, I'll have to filter dive myself because I'm an idiot who won't stop posting but it's in there somewhere. Toad is the better kill of the two but I really think they're 1-2 right now. | ||
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On January 27 2015 01:27 Toadesstern wrote: I'd be happy if some of you guys unvoted GB for now. It's an instant majority game and I don't feel confident in going forwards to lynch anyone right now so please let me have more time to read and interact with people. In particularly I'd like to hear some thoughts, particularly from VE and Palmar on Eden and his behavior yesterday + Show Spoiler [my thoughts, spoiler for readability] + so like I said, his innitial read on GB was bullshit but I didn't mind it that much. It boiled down to him not checking timestamps and if he's really on a party phoneposting no way in hell is he reading carefully enough for that. He then continued to get more pressure and started to post garbage like crazy. A lot more drunk, a lot more unreadable than before. And I'm just sitting here thinking about how likely it is that actually happened... For me it's something like this: party - phoneposting - drunk Out of those 3 only 2 work together. If I'm on a party phoneposting I don't get that drunk because I'm reading a mafiagame and posting on my phone. Apparently not that good of a party. If I'm drunk on a party I'm having fun, maybe I'd phonepost something early but if I'm really that drunk because the party's amazing I don't touch my phone anymore and have fun on the party About VE: I know I said I don't like talking about it... but it just sounds really fake to me. On the other hand, if he actually was drunk he's more likely to overreact like that ... It's just that last game as town I wanted to lynch BH, BH posted pics of his appartment and said he's moving so I didn't lynch him and it was really stupid of me (why would he sign up for a game if he knows he's going to move 2 days after the game starts...) and I don't want that to happen again I liked this post http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/475954-hammertime-mafia?page=16#310 from VE he did recently. Liked as in, I think that's something he'd post. I don't really agree with the first part and I am particularly worried that he picked that read as his vote so early when it's quite obvious that GB is perhaps one of the weak points of the playerfield (sry). GB, to me seems like the easy mislynch right now. Could be VE feels a lot stronger about that read the way he phrased it but I don't hold GB to the same standards as I hold most other people in here, so he's getting a pass based from me right now. All in all I'm leaning towards Eden, liancourt and Palmar right now. Lian because like I already mentioned I didn't like the fact that I had to be the one to point at the timestamps of HIS target + somethings bothering me about how he's appearing in here. Can't put my finger on it yet. Palmar mostly by process of elimination because Eden + lian doesn't make sense together. So it all goes back to So first thing is why did you ever scumread me for phoneposting while drinking at birthday dinner? This is a really dumb reason to suspect someone. Basically why so serious? Why not either try to interpret what I was saying (which wasn't THAT jumbled, I was clear on one point at least because I've kept raising it throughout the day), or say "Meh, I can't read his posts, he's null until he does something coherent." Makes no sense. And even if it were true that I were at a party, the idea that I'm mafia for taking time out of the party makes me more suspicious, when as mafia I could afk for 100% legit reasons, is silly. You would basically have to believe I made that whole thing up and spent like 1.5 hrs pretending to drunkpost for this to make sense, and that's ridiculous. Why did you POE Palmar as mafia here when you would later go on to declare him null slightly town (without any kind of signposting in-between to indicate a shift in opinion) and also declare several other nulls? Why did your townread of liancourt evaporate because he didn't notice any timestamps in posts? On January 27 2015 15:54 Toadesstern wrote: I'm one of the guys that figures out who's town and lynches into whoever is left, starting with the guy my stomach likes the least as I'm usually incredibly confident in my townreads. You're probably not going to see me make long cases about people being mafia. That mostly goes out to you and lian who said he expected me to be someone like Marv/HF... I even told you that I'm the kind of guy that just looks cute and everyone wants to cuddle :3 That being said, a walkthrough of my thoughts lately would be: We lynch into Eden / Lian / Onegu, preferably Lian or Onegu at the point of when I made my general list. Robik if we havn't won by then. Right now I'm fairly confident that I don't want to touch Eden at all, he has been quite impressive the last 24~30 hours or so and like I already said I agree with that one point on GB you did, so he dropped in my list. So for right now it's between Onegu and Lian, leaning towards Onegu. GB for me is an option I'd be willing to discuss but that to me has the same value as a policy lynch because a potential mislynch on GB would be a disaster. Meaning if that guy ends up town we had the easiest votedump for mafia ever for d1. Onegu has that under-the-radar but not just completly afk feel to him I don't like. Lian I have to reread some because people apparently think he got super towny in the last couple hours? I'd also like to add Palmar to the list because he still hasn't done shit at all but let's be honest here, he knows me good enough to know that I'd only be pressuring and asking people to give him one more day if push comes to shove. I've seen him behave exactly like this as town multiple times (I think? at least once), which doesn't make him town but I'd try to avoid that lynch d1. If the first sentence about finding townreads is true then why did you spend the whole first half of the phase naming your scumreads instead of your townreads? How can you say "preferably Onegu" when he was ahead of me and liancourt? If you're paying so much attention to timestamps that you scumread liancourt for not doing so, how do you manage to call me "impressive" for the entire length of the game to that point while also wanting to kill me for the entire length of the game to that point? Why did you have Palmar as a POE mafia read if your policy is to give him a day to prove himself town? | ||
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##VOTE: Palmar I will not lose to this display. | ||
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On January 29 2015 03:25 Palmar wrote: Kill toad Lynch this guy for being useless | ||
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(1) I need to not let my pride get in the way (2) Does mafia Palmar really do this? | ||
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On January 29 2015 05:34 Half the Sky wrote: I was however, unsatisfied with Lian's latest post. A bunch of theoreticals without evaluating content in the game. I can see why someone might think it's a good post because Lian is telling us to evalute X and Y on different types of criteria, but I'm pretty sure Eden at least was trying to examine the possibility of Onegu being scum or not being scum based on the decision to hammer or not hammer GB at least 10 pages prior to him posting that and when he couldn't, VE was questioning the validity of Onegu's post for at least a while. GB and Onegu ALREADY have been getting evaluated on other criteria aside from the potential hammer incident. So, unless I'm reading it wrong, this is why Lian's latest post strikes me as him saying something just to say something. It's already been touched on, although not directly. Thank you. I have no idea why people who weren't reading him town before thought his last post made him town. He elaborated a little bit on things he had already said, but it still didn't go into enough detail to advance the discussion. It's the same argument that I engaged 2 days ago where he just about says "you can't use heuristics because they're assumptions which can be wrong." And I'm not saying it was a suspicious post per se, just that it was more of the same, and that it's weird to me that people felt differently about it compared to his previous posts. | ||
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I'm still ultimately okay with lynching liancourt. And I don't think Palmar and Toad can be mafia together, and I'm not really satisfied with Toad's post either, for reasons I'll get back to digging into later. Palmar have you reposted your Toad case in the last few hours? I'll go read that too. | ||
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Robik has a pretty good argument for GB's read on him being fabricated. It kinda reminds me of my argument on liancourt initially except it's a better example. I still kinda like Toad as a lynch, so I want to finish reading things related to him before I put a vote down since we're close to the consolidation phase. But I'm thinking my vote will end up on GB now. | ||
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##VOTE: GlowingBear | ||
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On January 29 2015 05:58 Trfel wrote: Untouchable Votecount liancourt (3): Toadesstern (2): GlowingBear (2): Onegu (1): Palmar (0): IAmRobik (0): Eden1892 (0): Not voted (1): VisceraEyes With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch. Deadline is in . If no majority is reached before then, the day will be a no lynch. Bolded red = People I'm okay lynching today. Bolded without color = People who aren't in my town pile and who merit further observation. Bolded green = People I'm not okay lynching. Bolded blue = 100% town to me. I'm going to post this so I can see the colors because I'm a visual learner. | ||
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Second thought is that it bothers me that I'm this far into d1 and only have 2 townreads outside of myself. Third thought is that the guy who's off doing his own thing is usually mafia. Lemme try to put this together. If the heuristic I just cited is accurate here then liancourt is mafia. Toad's vote was forced due to self-defense even if he didn't acknowledge it at the time, so liancourt flipping mafia doesn't invalidate Toad being mafia. If liancourt is mafia then I think Onegu has to be town for pushing it so hard for so long. Meh this didn't actually go anywhere cool. Sigh. GB kinda counts as doing his own thing by tunneling Robik for dumb reasons and not really trying to convince people to lynch him right? Think I'm gonna stick with the Bear on this one. Bear and lian are the best lynches today from what I can see, and if nothing else it'll force Robik to focus his energies on other people and help me solve this game. Plus I'm not dealing with another 4 days of him sulking and raging at me for not lynching Bear today. | ||
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Not sure what to make of that trap at this point tbh. Like my gut says that it's just not something mafia does, but my brain says there's nothing stopping them from doing it, and I think Robik has a really good point about the (non-)progression of GB's read on Robik specifically and his reads in general. | ||
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On January 29 2015 06:37 Half the Sky wrote: Vague feeling that who is mafia? Palmar or VE? VE | ||
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On January 29 2015 06:42 Palmar wrote: why do people insist I'm trolling? I'm not. I have a case. I have a scumspect. I want to lynch him. KILL TOAD. Look he's not done jack shit. His defense when I started calling him out is that people "went crazy". He's super paranoid (started talking as if he was going to die with 1 vote on him) which means he's super sensitive to people going after him. he is mafia. Quote your case please because your filter now has over 100 ctrl-f-able "toad" in it and I'm not sifting through that. | ||
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On January 29 2015 06:53 Half the Sky wrote: His case is on page 37. Yes, I actually remember that off the cuff, which is scary. Even more scary, I have a 12 page D1 filter. None of my games I exceed 10 pages for an entire game. Is hell freezing over yet? Artanis should just give us a qt so we can stop posting so much. Amirite? | ||
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Still feeling like lynching Toad is the wrong call today. | ||
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Maybe Palmar's the right lynch after all? I'm struggling to see why someone who knows the theory side of town game as well as Palmar would be so... almost deliberately ineffective at persuading people. The two biggest townreads in the game have literally voted him for being spammy and trolly. If you're in his shoes and genuinely trying to convince people to vote for someone, surely you aren't gonna keep on like this, right? | ||
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##UNVOTE ##VOTE: Palmar | ||
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On January 29 2015 07:25 Palmar wrote: Like seriously, if I'm wrong on this, just fucking lynch me tomorrow, I'll claim mafia and shut up. Instead of doing this, will you not waste the day dicking around and be productive tomorrow? If you're town. If you're mafia then sure whatever go ahead. | ||
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##UNVOTE for probably the 12th time this game. | ||
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On January 29 2015 07:32 Palmar wrote: If we lynch Toad, I'll totally dick around tomorrow. Well, or more likely I won't be alive tomorrow. Lynch him. God damn it Palmar. | ||
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If HTS won't vote VE and Palmar probably won't vote VE either, then it doesn't matter whether or not I'd vote VE. That leaves me with the same pool as HTS. Unsure of order. If you're online right now and not voting for one of Toad, lian or GB, please reconsider. As for where I'm voting - liancourt probably first because he's still off doing his own thing. If Palmar's going to dick around d2 no matter whether we lynch Toad or not then I'll probably wait on Toad because I have no compelling incentive to kill him vs other targets. Maybe GB instead of either? Shrug. Robik's nonreaction to my hopping on and off GB is unexpected, dunno what it means. | ||
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On January 29 2015 07:35 Palmar wrote: Like is there anyone here who thinks I don't genuinely believe Toad to be mafia? I keep entertaining the thought because you spent so much fucking time just saying "kill toad" instead of actually engaging the thread and trying to get people to do it. But now you are, and I feel like a dumbass for calling you on it during d1, because if you're town I could easily see you just putting the thought out there to seed it in others' heads and then waiting until the inevitable EOD consolidation to go to work. So it's not a trivial matter to determine if you're doing that or if you're mafia just reacting to being called out. Ughuhksadk | ||
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On January 29 2015 07:39 Palmar wrote: well if you don't lynch toad, I'm probably going to have to yell lynch toad throughout day 2 too. So there's that. As opposed to spamming like "kill onegu" or some shit instead. Smh | ||
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On January 29 2015 07:39 Half the Sky wrote: VE doesn't have a single vote, hasn't even been voted once this cycle, and 50 mins to even open a case on him, unrealistic, IMO. I understand why some might want to scumread him. nah he voted a couple people at different points, they were just all eventually retracted | ||
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On January 29 2015 07:42 Palmar wrote: depends. maybe I'll be all confused. or just start calling people mafia for not agreeing with me. I do a lot of dumb shit if I survive to day 2 of games. PLUMBER PLS | ||
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Just all of it Fuck it all ##VOTE: Toadesstern | ||
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On January 29 2015 07:44 Palmar wrote: Like this is greatly interfering with my civilization gme. Can we just kill him so I can keep playing civ? | ||
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The part where he spends all game discussing his scumreads and says he "HATES" discussing his townreads while also saying he uses townreads to solve the game is bogus | ||
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Lmfao No more posting ppl | ||
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SHHHHHH YOU CAN BE MODKILLED FOR POSTING AFTER HAMMER | ||
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On February 01 2015 12:01 liancourt wrote: Gg i had fun hammering hehe You have got to be kidding me. This feels like gamethrowing. | ||
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But how the fuck do you just yolohammer somebody that early in the day on lylo if you're town and the person being hammered isn't confirmed scum? Like how is that playing to your win con at all. | ||
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At least I got to refine that tell so it's a win I guess? Ugh. Also fuck you guys stop n1ing me. Srsly. | ||
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