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Then I'll feel a little sad that the effort he went to was at least partly wasted. But other than that, not a lot. | ||
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On January 20 2015 06:14 Half the Sky wrote: Greetings everyone! Reading through, I've not played a game with Marv so I'm not familiar as to how he plays as scum. I find it interesting though that when the pressure votes are on, he posts a few things on Artanis' story. (Why?) HF, on VA, I agree with you as to why he is looking bad. However, last game with Vayne, I voted him for being completely useless not helping us solve the game and Batsnacks told me that his D1 meta is basically dicking around and not caring. He was lynched and flipped town. I'm just dying to know why this is interesting, twinkletoes | ||
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On January 20 2015 08:58 Holyflare wrote: Why are they hilarious? Are you saying that oats didn't do exactly what he was doing in carol? Why is voting marv bad when he's done absolutely nothing and is probably mafia? ##Vote: Half the Sky | ||
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On January 20 2015 10:11 Damdred wrote: Marv what do you make of all that's going on? what is "all that's going on" - be specific | ||
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On January 20 2015 10:15 Oatsmaster wrote: So why the fuck doesnt he get lynched in every single scum game that he plays? Because I put on my robe and my wizard hat. | ||
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On January 20 2015 10:19 Oatsmaster wrote: The theory is there man. Its a way too simplistic way of reading someone that could easily bandwagon into bad things because there are no specific points that marv can rebut. none of it matters, if i'm town (hi) then I simply don't get lynched, so it doesn't matter what the points are. But it is essentially correct that if I play properly, you're probably not going to catch me on what I do, you'll catch me on what I don't do, so it wasn't a bad statement per se | ||
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On January 20 2015 10:20 KelsierSC wrote: marv just won a scum game without being lynched where he had a filter of 40 something pages. The game that Dam was just in. So Dam using a stale meta of "well he yells a lot" just seems bogus to me I just checked his filter and Damdred didn't say that, unless i missed it. | ||
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On January 20 2015 17:24 Oatsmaster wrote: So you basically dont want to play with marv then? ##vote Vivax haha. Great post. | ||
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On January 20 2015 19:56 KelsierSC wrote: Viv that is the softest townread I have ever seen You should have seen some of yours in Carol :d | ||
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And yet calls lian "super scummy" for his policy lynch attempt on him. Interesting. | ||
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I rescinded my vote *immediately* because I totally misread. The thread and my filter isn't long enough to miss that, and you even asked me about it last page. What gives, scumski? | ||
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But obviously it was incongruent because Holyflare wrote it, not HTS. Hence my instant reaction and general amusement at my misread when I noticed my mistake. | ||
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I responded to Holyflare's post with a simple vote post on HTS. Because I thought I was responding to an HTS post, but I obviously wasn't. Hence the hasty retraction. I think that was where I was supposed to be sheeping HF, because I responded to HF's post with a vote on HTS. In la-la land, anyway. | ||
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On January 20 2015 20:27 KelsierSC wrote: hmm wrong thread KT Prime? :p | ||
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Vivax has repeatedly ignored my clarifications. | ||
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On purpose it seems to me right now. If they weren't scumbuddies, marv would insted immediately ask HF why he thinks HF is mafia instead of sheeping that bade case. Stuff like this is patently nonsense. There is zero reason to ask HF why he thinks I could be mafia at the point in the game I'd not posted anything of any substance. So. Weak. | ||
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On January 20 2015 20:47 Vivax wrote: Here's the quote from HF where he scumreads marv Will have to reevaluate later if KElsier is scum instead of HF cause right now he's trying to work against me a lot. Cause HF gave marv a reason to to vote HTS (while HF was scumreading marv), while Dam immediately took the opportunity to sheep HF to get off of marv. Vivax why do you keep repeating this when I've repeatedly told you it's untrue? | ||
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Good job. | ||
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1. In Imperial, Vivax was wrong about literally everything apart from his scumread on me in later days. He pushed jat (towniest guy), he pushed sl (towniest guy), and Vivax was the only person to side with ritoky over Robik during the cop claim shenannies. In short, Vivax could not have been more wrong that game if he tried. 2. Even at the end, and this is important, Vivax had me as mafia in a team with Kelsier and LM. All his connections were wrong and incorrect. 3. What else can we note about Imperial? Go and take a browse through the first few pages of his filter. Does Vivax, at any point, push theories of multiple mafia together and confidently declare them mafia?. The answer is no. That's not how Vivax played that game, he came out the game pushing and prodding at people. 4. So why in this game, when in the previous game it was shown to him that all his connection theories were incorrect, and given he didn't start the game like this, why is he trying to put together the full team? That doesn't add up. 5. Why does Vivax repeatedly push me on my vote on HtS when it was clearly a mistake (as evidenced by my reaction at the time and subsequent explanations). Why does Vivax repeatedly ignore these clarifications? Why does he keep pushing me on this alone? 6. Vivax expects me to jump on HF for his scumread at me at that point, when it was clear that HF said it was because if I did nothing, I was going to be mafia. Later HF said he was undecided on me, because i'd posted some and I guess it looked ok. Executive Summary Vivax is pushing the idea that he can name the full scumteam, even though the previous game showed decisively that he cannot do this, and it's a mistake to try. Vivax did not play Imperial like this, he came out in a different fashion. Vivax is pushing a lie. So Vivax is mafia. QED. | ||
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On January 20 2015 21:19 Wile E. Coyote wrote: I have a hard time seeing the mafia motivation to do this. I explained earlier, he's trying to replicate his retard town meta. Despite the fact he's not playing this game anything like how he plays town. As I explained already. | ||
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On January 20 2015 21:20 sicklucker wrote: your not a policy lynch tho. Your a policy pressure. Theres a big difference in my mind. Then it's time to remove your vote and do something, anything, useful. Like voting for actual mafia, Vivax. | ||
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On January 20 2015 21:22 Wile E. Coyote wrote: I will have to check but even if you are right you are still attacking the most controversial and active player in this game. You usually don't do this. I had neither been controversial nor active about 2 hours ago. I'd been pretty quiet. Vivax KNOWS he gets townread for looking like a tunnelly, moronic, arse. He references it in Imperial repeatedly - how I should be townreading him for his insane play. Well... look what he's trying to pull off here. Except there are notable differences, as I've elaborated upon. | ||
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You need to answer me. | ||
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On January 20 2015 21:29 sicklucker wrote: I think vivax is bleeding town and playing the same as last game. That doesint mean hes right here tho... I literally explained how he is not playing the same. Are you unable to read? | ||
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What a pro. | ||
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Do you even think about what you're writing? lol | ||
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On January 20 2015 21:26 marvellosity wrote: Vivax - answer me this - why are you trying to connection the whole scumteam when Imperial conclusively showed that it is a big mistake to do that? You need to answer me. Not answered yet. Please answer. | ||
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On January 20 2015 21:40 sicklucker wrote: Like im trying to defend you here marv. Whatever ill stop! no, you're totally mischaracterising my push on Vivax. It's, at best, awful of you. | ||
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On January 20 2015 21:48 Vivax wrote: Marv. I want to do a quick theory time. Let's say you're really town, and I know I'm really town. But right now after I posted my theory you just went into full OMGUS mode. HF called you scum on an occasion, and Damdred sheeped HF to get off of you, maybe cause he was wafraid of pushing you. Kelsier atm is on the sidelines and siding with you, he's not really trying to find scum though I feel. How do you feel about a HF, Kelsier, Damdred scumteam? | ||
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On January 18 2015 00:27 Palmar wrote: Also I don't understand why people are so resistant to advice. I am not a great mafia player, but I have played more than just about anyone here (maybe with VE as an exception). When I say shit, it's not because I like spouting random nonsense, it's because trial and error, in addition with what I learned from people who played before, has taught me that despite anecdotal evidence (hey look, this worked once), there are certain things that are generally good or bad to do. Some examples:
There's probably a ton more. I keep saying these things, and we keep failing on them. Like if Vivax is town, he's literally making newbie mistake 101. Any good coach will tell newbies not to try to make elaborate connections. Especially on day 1. Following a game where it was showed to conclusively fail! w t f | ||
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Also, see my last post. You insanely, insanely bad player, if you're town right now. | ||
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On January 20 2015 21:56 Vivax wrote: Taking a break for real now. Anyway, I'm not scum. And marv attacked me like a rabid dog contrary to Imperial where just said I was just being a nutjob so I think I'll retract my scumread on him now. now we make some progress. | ||
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##Unvote | ||
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On January 20 2015 22:12 batsnacks wrote: I don't think this makes sense. All the reasons you gave for vivax being scum still apply. He still pushed you for reasons that weren't true, he made huge associative reads after trying the same thing last game and failing. It doesn't seem like anything's changed except he moved his vote off you. I know, and i also know i probably can't explain it in a way you'd like, so I'll just have to live with you not liking it. | ||
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On January 20 2015 22:19 Holyflare wrote: Hahahaha we can lynch sl now SHHHHHH | ||
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On January 20 2015 22:26 Half the Sky wrote: Lian townread Vivax as well....did he even read what Vivax presented? lian townread Vivax before the main Vivax-vomit. | ||
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On January 20 2015 22:29 Oatsmaster wrote: Marv why. That was totally vivax' plan man. Play super shit, then retract the scum read on you to make himself look reasonable. Through all that 'analysis' I have no idea who vivax wants to lynch, what the individual reasons for all his scum reads especially since if he thinks Marv is town, it all breaks down. Vivax can still be mafia, yes. My unvote is not the same as "you're totes town now". It's "I'm unvoting you for now" | ||
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Do I look the same to you this game? | ||
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On January 20 2015 22:48 KelsierSC wrote: yeh I'm here, I posted my thoughts on him a bit earlier I think mainly SL said he didn't know why lian was getting a free pass so I was inviting SL to give his thoughts. Note how you invited sl to interact with you re: lian, and he sidestepped and chose not to. | ||
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On January 20 2015 21:38 sicklucker wrote: Marv the pressure vote is doing what I want it to so no your not getting unvoted yet. I feel like your leaning more town but all your doing is omgusing a very obvious town so no I cant unjustifie unvoting you yet. When I unvote you its when im sure your town and never have to worry about you. I dont like how lians getting a free pass here when hes trying to policy lynch a player better then kush. I cant remember. into: On January 20 2015 22:04 sicklucker wrote: Well im happy to never vote marv again hees the towniest town that ever town. Like no way he trys this hard as scum ever ill clear him on this alone. 3 games straight mafia. Game 1 and two palmer gets him to concede. Game 3 600 FREAKIN PAGES Does this look like a natural progression to you? | ||
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On January 20 2015 23:04 Wile E. Coyote wrote: Too slow marv. I'm mostly annoyed HF has made me shoot my wad on this already. He could at least have tied me up and let me have a bit of suspense first. | ||
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On January 20 2015 23:05 KelsierSC wrote: no I think he definitely overstated that you are "never lynch, townist town" If he had just retracted his vote and say you are probably town I would have been alright with that. He has side stepped me on lian, but i'm not even sure if he's in the thread. He doesn't look good but I want to see what he says before I make a final judgement Come on, Kelsier. sl posted twice after you invited him to talk about lian. Neither time to address you about lian. You can see that. I can see that. So why are you saying "i'm not even sure if he's in the thread", when he was clearly in the thread to post after your invitation. What gives? | ||
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On January 20 2015 22:10 marvellosity wrote: I'm pretty confident on one mafia, but you're gonna have to wait for those pearls of wisdom until tomorrow. ##Vote: sicklucker This was it. HF is a lamo. P.S. I thought HF was leaning town already due to how he backed off his Wile push. | ||
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On January 20 2015 23:13 KelsierSC wrote: mhm yeh that is true, he said bbl though or something doesn't that mean bye bye? sl: no-one is talking about lian Kelsier: let's talk about lian sl: lol marv is town lolol sl: you're all baddies for mafiareading me, byes why am I having to rehash this for you?? | ||
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On January 20 2015 23:15 sicklucker wrote: I was in a dota game here now! and I did interact wth him but you failed to mention that. Anyways no ones commented on lian the entire game pretty much that was my point where? | ||
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On January 20 2015 23:18 Oatsmaster wrote: so bm. im not convinced on HF, all his posts so far have not been really thought out. Like he comes in and comments on the latest thing. Also he scumread me for going to sleep. Hes better than that. He's also not pursued it at all. Basically HF hasn't pursued something further than it was worth pursuing, and that's quite a good sign. (wile, you) | ||
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But I do feel like he's capable of a bit of derp, and I also thought he generally handled me and Vivax going at each other quite well. So, yea. | ||
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The opposite of sidelines really. | ||
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On January 20 2015 23:36 sicklucker wrote: Well if you guys sheep these two guys really bad read on me towns gonna be doomed because im flipping town... If you're town, I'm pretty sure you can show the thread/us that you are town before eod. So I wouldn't worry too much. I am a kind and benevolent master. | ||
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On January 20 2015 23:38 sicklucker wrote: Vivax how do you feel about lynching the first person to defend your stupidity and call you town? you? lol | ||
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On January 20 2015 23:47 Vivax wrote: Sicklucker since I just saw that batsnacks post in there, would you care giving me your read on him? He obviously didn't think my theory was stupid as it sounded to you. Vivax, you're failing to read the thread. bats already said he was playing devil's advocate at that stage. | ||
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On January 20 2015 23:56 Vivax wrote: Btw marv, what are the odds that the devil's advocate thing was just an excuse against the odds that he was trying to bait scum into agreeing with my case I think you're saying the last thing like it would make him mafia when it's more likely to make him town | ||
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That's hilarious. | ||
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On January 21 2015 00:18 sicklucker wrote: Well its not marvs target then. Its yours. I dont know your motive your the best scum player here Statistically quite untrue. Although I'd be inclined to agree nonetheless. | ||
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On January 21 2015 01:31 Half the Sky wrote: SL - in general, not scum hunting Lian - he called out SL, but then tried to scumread Geript for replacing out and then his read on Vivax was also out of nowhere prior to Vivax's large case. Bats - generally I've found him a hard read, but what I've noticed this game is that besides a 50/50 read on Kelsier, he's not said too much. Vivax - I couldn't follow the read progression from him townreading SL to then all of a sudden sheeping you two. Might you think a mafia would be more careful before doing something blatantly contradictory? | ||
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The town indicators are strong with this one | ||
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On January 21 2015 01:41 Vivax wrote: Will go back to this post if SL flips scum today. Cause it looks nothing except like a post to somehow make yourself look better with marv. What would you expect him to say about me? | ||
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On January 21 2015 01:51 Half the Sky wrote: HF I assume you're asking about the "Damd question" part, Kels asked me about it, so that's why I phrased it that way. The gist of it is this. You said "these reasons" kels said "what about this reason here" you said "yea that too i guess" then kels explains his reason never existed, but you agreed with it anyway. this is the point of contention | ||
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On January 21 2015 02:38 Vivax wrote: HF just give me a break. I'm scumhunting in a really unusual way right now. If SL is mafia you will call me a genius afterwards. That's like faceplanting into cake and telling us you're eating in an unusual way. | ||
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On January 21 2015 02:44 sicklucker wrote: Actually the allmighty hf and marv have decided im the lynch so its going to happen. I dont feel like people even scumread me outside of them which is good you shouldnt. I havent had enough time to prove im time 6 hhours is not enough for my shennagins. On January 20 2015 23:37 marvellosity wrote: If you're town, I'm pretty sure you can show the thread/us that you are town before eod. So I wouldn't worry too much. I am a kind and benevolent master. | ||
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On January 21 2015 03:10 batsnacks wrote: marv voted you for making associative reads So you made more associative reads Then he unvoted you for "reasons I wouldn't like" And you keep making associative reads Its just not a logical progression from marv (or from you but that's not the point in trying to make). It seems like marv only thinks your associative reads are scummy when he is a part of them. So there are two scenarios. 1.Everything I wrote about Vivax is true and he's mafia (as I thought at the time) 2.Vivax is just insane and the worst townplayer in history. Sadly since the case I made I've been thinking that 2 is actually kinda possible. And I don't really care what reasons Vivax brings for lynching sl. I'll decide by eod whether I think sl is still mafia and what Vivax says with all his theories will factor in about roughly zero amount into this. | ||
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I've never been this tempted by a policy lynch before (except that BH occasion) | ||
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##Vote: Vivax I am doing this to show quite how serious I am about this as a potential policy lynch | ||
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that shows how awful you are. Think about how awful you have to be for me to favour a policy lynch over someone I think is actually mafia. | ||
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Before you "remember" things about how you played last time, check. Because you just make yourself look worse and worse by saying things that aren't true. so if you're town you're not helping yourself out at all. | ||
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At the very least, I don't think questioning sl is gonna bring any dividends, because it's pretty clear at this stage he's not gonna make himself look good from it | ||
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I guess I kinda have lian, Hts, Damdred in another corner? And vivax in some kind of space-time loop | ||
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On January 21 2015 04:54 sicklucker wrote: Marv I understand how pressure works and I wanted a little more so I could be sure and not get owned two games inarow. I also wanted to see who pushed you. There were 13 fucking minutes between "you're pushing a blatant town i'm not unvoting you" to "you're the towniest town ever" THIRTEEN MINUTES | ||
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On February 03 2015 08:13 KelsierSC wrote: Jat was the towniest player to me. Everyone else was too quiet and being edgy Except vivax who is just a headache tbh well, you really need to rethink how you think about active players. because that's me + jat you've done the same thing to now | ||
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On February 03 2015 08:39 sicklucker wrote: I was everyones top 2 towns and all you did was bus me your literraly the only one who thought I was mafia at that time of the game and you raged when I couldn't say you were town because your tunnel made no sense from my town pov. I only became obvious mafia when you made this game unenjoyably for me after you threatened to out my alignment if you were voted out. no you weren't i only unvoted you to give my replacement a clean slate to work from | ||
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