[M][N]The Void Mafia

On January 20 2015 02:22 Wile E. Coyote wrote:

Ha! What if I refuse?

On January 20 2015 06:14 Half the Sky wrote:
Greetings everyone!

Reading through, I've not played a game with Marv so I'm not familiar as to how he plays as scum. I find it interesting though that when the pressure votes are on, he posts a few things on Artanis' story. (Why?)

HF, on VA, I agree with you as to why he is looking bad. However, last game with Vayne, I voted him for being completely useless not helping us solve the game and Batsnacks told me that his D1 meta is basically dicking around and not caring. He was lynched and flipped town.

On January 20 2015 08:58 Holyflare wrote:


Why are they hilarious? Are you saying that oats didn't do exactly what he was doing in carol? Why is voting marv bad when he's done absolutely nothing and is probably mafia?

On January 20 2015 10:11 Damdred wrote:
Marv what do you make of all that's going on?

On January 20 2015 10:15 Oatsmaster wrote:

So why the fuck doesnt he get lynched in every single scum game that he plays?

On January 20 2015 10:19 Oatsmaster wrote:

The theory is there man.

Its a way too simplistic way of reading someone that could easily bandwagon into bad things because there are no specific points that marv can rebut.

On January 20 2015 10:20 KelsierSC wrote:


marv just won a scum game without being lynched where he had a filter of 40 something pages. The game that Dam was just in.

So Dam using a stale meta of "well he yells a lot" just seems bogus to me

On January 20 2015 17:24 Oatsmaster wrote:

So you basically dont want to play with marv then?

##vote Vivax

On January 20 2015 19:56 KelsierSC wrote:
Viv that is the softest townread I have ever seen

On January 20 2015 20:26 KelsierSC wrote:


I don't know where you sheeped hf tbh

On January 20 2015 20:27 KelsierSC wrote:
hmm wrong thread

If they weren't scumbuddies, marv would insted immediately ask HF why he thinks HF is mafia instead of sheeping that bade case.

On January 20 2015 20:47 Vivax wrote:
Here's the quote from HF where he scumreads marv



Will have to reevaluate later if KElsier is scum instead of HF cause right now he's trying to work against me a lot.



Cause HF gave marv a reason to to vote HTS (while HF was scumreading marv), while Dam immediately took the opportunity to sheep HF to get off of marv.

On January 20 2015 21:19 Wile E. Coyote wrote:

I have a hard time seeing the mafia motivation to do this.

On January 20 2015 21:20 sicklucker wrote:


your not a policy lynch tho. Your a policy pressure. Theres a big difference in my mind.

On January 20 2015 21:22 Wile E. Coyote wrote:

I will have to check but even if you are right you are still attacking the most controversial and active player in this game. You usually don't do this.

On January 20 2015 21:29 sicklucker wrote:
I think vivax is bleeding town and playing the same as last game. That doesint mean hes right here tho...

On January 20 2015 21:26 marvellosity wrote:
Vivax - answer me this - why are you trying to connection the whole scumteam when Imperial conclusively showed that it is a big mistake to do that?

You need to answer me.

On January 20 2015 21:40 sicklucker wrote:
Like im trying to defend you here marv. Whatever ill stop!

On January 20 2015 21:48 Vivax wrote:
Marv. I want to do a quick theory time.

Let's say you're really town, and I know I'm really town. But right now after I posted my theory you just went into full OMGUS mode.

HF called you scum on an occasion, and Damdred sheeped HF to get off of you, maybe cause he was wafraid of pushing you.

Kelsier atm is on the sidelines and siding with you, he's not really trying to find scum though I feel.

How do you feel about a HF, Kelsier, Damdred scumteam?

On January 20 2015 21:36 marvellosity wrote:

Not answered yet. Please answer.

On January 18 2015 00:27 Palmar wrote:
Also I don't understand why people are so resistant to advice. I am not a great mafia player, but I have played more than just about anyone here (maybe with VE as an exception). When I say shit, it's not because I like spouting random nonsense, it's because trial and error, in addition with what I learned from people who played before, has taught me that despite anecdotal evidence (hey look, this worked once), there are certain things that are generally good or bad to do. Some examples:

• Don't voteswitch in the last few hours of the day. Have the lynch lined up at least 4 hours prior and an alternative in case the target goes balls to the walls town on us all.
  
• Don't fakeclaim as town. Do your best to be a target for mafia if you're vanilla. Make them fear you to protect the blues. Don't try to wifom a shot out of them because it fucks with other townies even more.
  
• Don't make associative reads. You do not know what the mafia wants to do, you're literally handing them weapons to use against you if you allow their actions to control your reads.
  
• Don't use meta unless you absolutely know what you're doing. Generally only use meta on people you know extremely well, and only trust meta when it focuses on overall style, not specific things.
  

There's probably a ton more. I keep saying these things, and we keep failing on them.

On January 20 2015 21:56 Vivax wrote:
Taking a break for real now.
Anyway, I'm not scum. And marv attacked me like a rabid dog contrary to Imperial where just said I was just being a nutjob so I think I'll retract my scumread on him now.

On January 20 2015 22:12 batsnacks wrote:


I don't think this makes sense. All the reasons you gave for vivax being scum still apply. He still pushed you for reasons that weren't true, he made huge associative reads after trying the same thing last game and failing. It doesn't seem like anything's changed except he moved his vote off you.

On January 20 2015 22:19 Holyflare wrote:
Hahahaha we can lynch sl now

On January 20 2015 22:26 Half the Sky wrote:
Lian townread Vivax as well....did he even read what Vivax presented?

On January 20 2015 22:29 Oatsmaster wrote:
Marv why. That was totally vivax' plan man. Play super shit, then retract the scum read on you to make himself look reasonable. Through all that 'analysis' I have no idea who vivax wants to lynch, what the individual reasons for all his scum reads especially since if he thinks Marv is town, it all breaks down.

On January 20 2015 22:31 KelsierSC wrote:


yeh worked out well for me last game

On January 20 2015 22:48 KelsierSC wrote:


yeh I'm here, I posted my thoughts on him a bit earlier I think

mainly SL said he didn't know why lian was getting a free pass so I was inviting SL to give his thoughts.

On January 20 2015 21:38 sicklucker wrote:
Marv the pressure vote is doing what I want it to so no your not getting unvoted yet. I feel like your leaning more town but all your doing is omgusing a very obvious town so no I cant unjustifie unvoting you yet.
When I unvote you its when im sure your town and never have to worry about you.

I dont like how lians getting a free pass here when hes trying to policy lynch a player better then kush.
I cant remember.

On January 20 2015 22:04 sicklucker wrote:
Well im happy to never vote marv again hees the towniest town that ever town.

Like no way he trys this hard as scum ever ill clear him on this alone.

3 games straight mafia. Game 1 and two palmer gets him to concede. Game 3 600 FREAKIN PAGES

On January 20 2015 23:04 Wile E. Coyote wrote:
Too slow marv.

On January 20 2015 23:05 KelsierSC wrote:


no I think he definitely overstated that you are "never lynch, townist town" If he had just retracted his vote and say you are probably town I would have been alright with that.

He has side stepped me on lian, but i'm not even sure if he's in the thread.

He doesn't look good but I want to see what he says before I make a final judgement

On January 20 2015 22:10 marvellosity wrote:
I'm pretty confident on one mafia, but you're gonna have to wait for those pearls of wisdom until tomorrow.

On January 20 2015 23:13 KelsierSC wrote:


mhm yeh that is true, he said bbl though or something doesn't that mean bye bye?

On January 20 2015 23:15 sicklucker wrote:


I was in a dota game here now! and I did interact wth him but you failed to mention that. Anyways no ones commented on lian the entire game pretty much that was my point

On January 20 2015 23:18 Oatsmaster wrote:

so bm.

im not convinced on HF, all his posts so far have not been really thought out.
Like he comes in and comments on the latest thing.

Also he scumread me for going to sleep.
Hes better than that.

On January 20 2015 23:36 sicklucker wrote:
Well if you guys sheep these two guys really bad read on me towns gonna be doomed because im flipping town...

On January 20 2015 23:38 sicklucker wrote:
Vivax how do you feel about lynching the first person to defend your stupidity and call you town?

On January 20 2015 23:47 Vivax wrote:
Sicklucker since I just saw that batsnacks post in there, would you care giving me your read on him? He obviously didn't think my theory was stupid as it sounded to you.

On January 20 2015 23:56 Vivax wrote:
Btw marv, what are the odds that the devil's advocate thing was just an excuse against the odds that he was trying to bait scum into agreeing with my case

On January 21 2015 00:18 sicklucker wrote:


Well its not marvs target then. Its yours. I dont know your motive your the best scum player here

On January 21 2015 01:31 Half the Sky wrote:
SL - in general, not scum hunting
Lian - he called out SL, but then tried to scumread Geript for replacing out and then his read on Vivax was also out of nowhere prior to Vivax's large case.
Bats - generally I've found him a hard read, but what I've noticed this game is that besides a 50/50 read on Kelsier, he's not said too much.
Vivax - I couldn't follow the read progression from him townreading SL to then all of a sudden sheeping you two.

On January 21 2015 01:41 Vivax wrote:


Will go back to this post if SL flips scum today. Cause it looks nothing except like a post to somehow make yourself look better with marv.

On January 21 2015 01:51 Half the Sky wrote:
HF I assume you're asking about the "Damd question" part, Kels asked me about it, so that's why I phrased it that way.

On January 21 2015 02:38 Vivax wrote:
HF just give me a break. I'm scumhunting in a really unusual way right now.
If SL is mafia you will call me a genius afterwards.

On January 21 2015 02:44 sicklucker wrote:


Actually the allmighty hf and marv have decided im the lynch so its going to happen. I dont feel like people even scumread me outside of them which is good you shouldnt. I havent had enough time to prove im time 6 hhours is not enough for my shennagins.

On January 20 2015 23:37 marvellosity wrote:

If you're town, I'm pretty sure you can show the thread/us that you are town before eod. So I wouldn't worry too much.

I am a kind and benevolent master.

On January 21 2015 03:10 batsnacks wrote:


marv voted you for making associative reads

So you made more associative reads

Then he unvoted you for "reasons I wouldn't like"

And you keep making associative reads

Its just not a logical progression from marv (or from you but that's not the point in trying to make). It seems like marv only thinks your associative reads are scummy when he is a part of them.

On January 21 2015 04:54 sicklucker wrote:
Marv I understand how pressure works and I wanted a little more so I could be sure and not get owned two games inarow. I also wanted to see who pushed you.

On February 03 2015 08:13 KelsierSC wrote:
Jat was the towniest player to me.

Everyone else was too quiet and being edgy


Except vivax who is just a headache tbh

On February 03 2015 08:39 sicklucker wrote:
I was everyones top 2 towns and all you did was bus me your literraly the only one who thought I was mafia at that time of the game and you raged when I couldn't say you were town because your tunnel made no sense from my town pov. I only became obvious mafia when you made this game unenjoyably for me after you threatened to out my alignment if you were voted out.