EPTWhy do you think that Trfel is the lynch tomorrow? You got onto us for not being willing to lynch inactives last game, and we've only got two mislynches left before scum wins.
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Why do you think that Trfel is the lynch tomorrow? You got onto us for not being willing to lynch inactives last game, and we've only got two mislynches left before scum wins. | ||
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On January 19 2015 12:00 LightningStrike wrote: Well in the post you said you were going to heal DP and idk how it would of been auto corrected to that unless you are posting from a phone. Stop. | ||
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On January 19 2015 12:01 Damdred wrote: Look at Russian Mafia for geripts last scum game, it was a really good scum game for him one that he probably should of hard carried to the victory. Honestly its one of the reasons hes not my #1 town, he makes me more paranoid than HF does as scum I think. Its a pretty small lynch pool for you tomorrow then? I think I already mentioned that it is. I don't see the value in lynching people on paranoid whisperings right now when no scum has flipped yet. If you read my filter (which I thought you said you were?) I already mentioned the people I didn't want to lynch a few times. Most of them I consider to be players who are often misread as scum, like LS and yes, my brother. | ||
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On January 19 2015 12:09 Damdred wrote: Obviously jarjar will be alive tomorrow more than likely just for wifom if hes tracker and more than likely he will be blocked if he is the true tracker. I'm not going to give scum strategy so we shouldn't talk about it to much in depth, but until we start seeing some flips of another power role we need to just ignore it for now more than likely. I don't have much to substantiate with but the "softing/scum slip" earlier makes me a bit weary to believe the claim. We have little inactives, I think we can eliminate shining from lynch tomorrow. Breshke needs a good day, LM needs a decent day. Those to me are our really only inactives and they aren't spammy but are here if we have a cop I would check one of them and hope to get lucky. Trfel has been the least interested in the days activity I think, and has really changed the play from all of the other games I played with him in. Even in the last newbie it seemed very similar to carol/last student mafia. Was pretty strong even if he wasn't as inactive, and as blue in carol he was really strong. This just seems like a weird mirror like performance, playing down his ability no real scum reads sheeping instead of pushing. Being wrong is good in mafia it helps you get more information instead of laying back ... Forgive me if this sounds crusty but why the hell are you coming to this conclusion now when I've been saying it all along? >< I stopped pushing trfel because I couldn't get any traction and started wondering if I was just being a stubborn ass again and blind to what everyone else was seeing. | ||
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On January 19 2015 12:17 Damdred wrote: Nights the best time for re-evaluation and talking through your reads and scum hunting more I say. If I get shot I need my thoughts out there anyway. there felt like a good bit of resistance to a tr lynch, and I felt LM and cool was scummier at the moments, after a relook at tr filter I found a lot of scum traits. also I considered tr was a blue so I didn't want to bring it up but then I checked on his other blue game and it directly mirrored his VT game even though he was more absent in carol he bled town whenever he was there. Not so here, I think hes scummy now though. And I was halfway afk through most of th eday Meh you townreading trfel when you and I were both in the same games with him was one of the main reasons I kept waffling on you, and I kept trying to sideline it by telling myself I could be wrong about him. If this is a deliberate change in his play as town, after this game someone needs to give him a good kick in the rear. He was more helpful living 1-2 days and getting shot by scum than he's been this game -_- He was awesome as a blue in carol and didn't vomit crap into the thread | ||
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On January 19 2015 12:22 Damdred wrote: You were in the last newbie game with him I believe, how different do you think his play is from there to here? (he claims he played bad in that newbie game as well) Didn't you read it? Regardless, he couldn't be as active because of returning to school, but when he was he was a pretty solid voice of reason, even if he didn't come up with any of his own scumreads, and the very first odd thing he pointed out ended up being a post from one of the scum players. He may genuinely feel that he didn't do as well as he could have, but his instincts were still excellent even without much time to evaluate the thread. I want to townread him because I feel I can trust him to temper my stubbornness when I'm town. But as hard as I've tried I can't, and I haven't had any trouble doing so before. | ||
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When he and I are town. | ||
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Do you think that's the case? | ||
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Lol, if you're scumreading me you're wrong -shrugs- That said, have at it. | ||
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On January 19 2015 12:48 DarthPunk wrote: I just said I was going to read your filter and stuff. Why so ultra defensive about it? Ultra defensive would not be that post. I actually encourage you to read my filter. I've never come close to being mislynched, with the exception of a shenanigans vote in response to a hammer vote, and I doubt that will change this game. | ||
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On January 19 2015 12:55 DarthPunk wrote: It's a fucking weird/excessive reaction to an off the cuff statement. You're entitled to your opinion. Who of the trains do you think was scum, since you think all of them can't be town? | ||
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On January 19 2015 13:07 DarthPunk wrote: Dunno. It seems really unlikely that 4 wagons were all town. But Damdred and glowingbear seem townie since the lynch. JJB is an un-counterclaimed tracker And the War Waffle flipped town. So unless one of damdred or glowingbear is actually scum ( which makes no sense unless they are both scum, which also makes no sense.) Or JJB is counterclaimed, I guess every wagon yesterday was on a townie which means everyone should take a step back and re-evaluate your reads. Which is what I plan to do tonight. Fair enough. I've been doing some of that myself -_- But honestly probably won't dive until tomorrow. Little worn out right now. I agree that Damdred and GB almost definitely have to be the same alignment, and it seems to be a ridiculously high-risk move for scum. (Plus I don't really read GB as scum anyway.) | ||
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This is straight up bad, DP. You're trying to tell me you think that it's town for LM to completely misread Breshke, vote him on the misread, then correct himself when someone points it out? How is that a good read? He was voting Breshke for a meta case Breshke never made. What's so amazing about his first set of reads? LS and you town for obvious reasons everyone is already saying you're town for? If you think this makes LM town I have to wonder what you're smoking. | ||
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On January 19 2015 13:57 Damdred wrote: I'm somewhat breaking my promise about not doing a ton of quotes in a post but i'm going to hide them behind spoilers to make readability better. Going into EoD, I had a few problems with LM. These problems were mainly, a disconnect from the game. The catch up posts were incredibly behind and out of context they looked ok but in context seemed really disjoined and didn't flow well with the thread. Wasn't really interested in interactions much going into the day either. I decided to look into EoD for LM and a few thing struck out at me. The last quote in the spoilers is interesting to me, the vote hinges on WW voting with his scum read on tr. When if you check the votes and pay attention WW was on GB well before Tr even made a move that way. So it was an excuse to strengthen a mislynch which is telling to me, why lie and over explain your vote? At the start of the quotes (previously jarjar was only mentioned twice and never was really sure if it was a scum read or what but was non committal) Asks why wouldn't you lynch jarjar, makes some noncommittal marks about somewhat scum reading me because it looks like my train is about to take off. Next quote is a inconsitancy as LM never said that he didn't want to vote Jarjar, and also I think the train was going against GB and it was better to say I shouldn't be the lynch at this moment. Overall it looks like someone just trying to find a safe spot for a vote, lying and over explaining everything while not really trying to rock the vote while parroting at points to. pretty sure this person is scum. Quotes are in filter + Show Spoiler + On January 19 2015 03:45 LoneMeow wrote: Definitely not lynching LightningStrike today. Why not jarjarbinks? As a matter of fact, I do agree with that, but I want to hear your reasons. I need to reread Damdred and geript. On January 19 2015 06:47 LoneMeow wrote: Not lynching Damdred today unless there's something new on him, I quickly read his filter and I think he's more likely town than not. I prefer jarjarbinks over GlowingBear despite what I said earlier about not wanting to lynch him today. jarjarbinks just seems to be making apologies and sitting in the background whereas GlowingBear is very vocally pushing for his lynch. ##Vote: jarjarbinks On January 19 2015 06:57 LoneMeow wrote: Wait, TheWarWaffle was actually voting with his previous best scum read Trfel? Yeah I'm ok with lynching him. ##Unvote ##Vote: TheWarWaffle Give me a bit to see how these actually play out in context. I know I was there, but it was so chaotic at EoD it's kind of blurry in my memory right now. At first glance it looks like you may have picked up on something. | ||
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On January 20 2015 01:21 Damdred wrote: Did you find anything in context, and I think your reasons are weak dp. Eh, preliminary impression? His votes are going with the majority feel in the thread at the time for weak reasons. (The JarJar vote was weird when he said he agreed with not voting him earlier, just as you pointed out.) Everyone else is arguing and it looks more like he's just trying to find somewhere to park where his vote doesn't stand out too much. | ||
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LM got lost in the shuffle with everyone else exploding. Which imo would be ideal for scum, but doesn't necessarily make him scum. His voting at EoD certainly doesn't make me any more inclined to townread him though. I think he's a good lynch. | ||
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On January 20 2015 01:49 Damdred wrote: I noticed that you said dps reasoning's were weak. What do you make of that? Eh, tbh I'm trying not to make pre-flip associations this game if I can avoid it. Some of DPs posting has come across as pretty townie to me, but I'm not as sold on him as some of the rest of y'all are. His early filter was all seemingly in defense of trfel, so if we lynch trfel and he flips scum, DP needs to be looked at hard. That he also has weak reasons to townread LM isn't making me feel better about him. The other player I think bears close watching is Breshke, but I'm not really feeling him as a better lynch than either trfel or LM atm. If JarJar turns out to be scum (in which case I will stop giving tone reads on him or defending his bad play lol in future games) I think geript is a good place to look. I find this scenario least likely, though. | ||
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On January 20 2015 02:25 jarjarbinks wrote: Most of these are parrots b/c people already said most of this. I figured you'd want my opinion on it though. Geripts play makes no sense from a mafia perspective IMO. Poor Waffle, I honestly think he's played better than me both D1's and gotten lynched both times. I feel that GB and damdred are town based on EOD play. What a move by GB. Didn't understand it at first, but I think I get it now. LM did have two votes before my train started really picking up. It was 2-3 at one time. I think there was an hour left but it still was relatively close to EOD. I think Breshke made my train possible for GB to pull off his risky move. I wouldn't be surprised if Shining is town despite the EOD vote. His reads might have been wrong, but the way he played it made me think he could be town. What does this mean? What did you get from it? | ||
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On January 20 2015 01:49 Damdred wrote: I noticed that you said dps reasoning's were weak. What do you make of that? quid pro quo you also said his reasoning was weak after I did. What's your take? | ||
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On January 20 2015 02:39 Damdred wrote: Yea I don't see how LM is really re-evaluating reads or votes from that, he got caught in a mistake/lie/not reading and had to back peddle from it. Nothing really towny about that. His other posts were really disjoined and really weren't flowing with the game in most spots so not sure why they were so good? Lol, no offense, but that's pretty obvious. What do you take from that regarding DP? | ||
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