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On January 18 2015 16:07 rsoultin wrote: If you're talking about no: I AM TOWN I AM TOWN this game...lol that was cause I was mocking HTS in my first post last game. Ongoing joke  I don't find it odd that you'd notice that or think that was important, but yeah. A joke + he's not stupid. Clearly it didn't prevent him from being mislynched last game, dead JarJar vid and all xP Well you also weren't alive on D3 remember. Plus, I don't think JJB was seriously considered for a lynch on any day except D3. Also, I thought Shining got lynched on D3. It was between 2 towns that the lynch never should have been close to regardless. | ||
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I can't really decide if it's yawn bad or yawn mafia. I don't think I want to lynch him today anyways. (Sorry Dp, this was in a tab and I forgot about it.) | ||
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On January 18 2015 16:12 DarthPunk wrote: The 'analysis' of the Geript vote was incredibly forced. Like it wasn't bad it was trying to FIND things that could be reasonably perceived as mafia. the rest of the case came across that way also. I know. I just can't decide if that's actually be or mafia. Like I think your bar is too high for people and maybe mine is too low. I just can't decide if it feels like honest bullshit or not. Let's look at her filter overall though, that'll give us a better look. | ||
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On January 18 2015 16:14 DarthPunk wrote: I don't remember anything about this person. 4 posts give or take. none of which have been good. called JJB scummy for not seeing a Doc/Cop option presuming that he woudln't think there's one if he's mafia (as mafia know the game setup). It's a really weird argument to me because that's something I had completely forgotten about and it's not something that town naturally think of. | ||
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On January 17 2015 10:52 rsoultin wrote: I used it in our last game, Night 1, with -Celestial-. It means that what he's saying strikes me as bullshit, or BS. It means that I don't think he actually believes what he is saying. That is different from being a hypocrite, and if true, would in fact make him scum. That's a really weird statement. On January 17 2015 13:17 rsoultin wrote: I am not calling Trfel scum. I am questioning his intentions, because his first explanation did not jive. ^Next time someone asks me this I am going to flat-out quote this post of myself because I'm getting tired of answering it. I do not think there is actually any danger in the particular way he drew attention to himself if he is scum. ^Again, the next time someone asks me this I will quote this post. I don't really actually like this post at all. Moreso because the big Trfel case-post is like 90% on the first set of posts from Trfel which I don't find as being important at all. Like sure Trfel was bullshitting one way or another. Like I think I know why I was so meh about Rsoultin's case. It comes off as a Lynch all liars policy lynch which I find terribly awful. | ||
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tldr version. Lots of questions. Lots of reads. 0 reasons. Which for someone who's played a decent amount and looks like he's a newbie is pretty telling imo. Like there's not a single post that I can go "OOH that's a good point." to. | ||
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On January 02 2015 10:15 KelsierSC wrote: Gb made a great point about marv and it seemed like he believed what he said so yeh gb can be in my club This was actually the post that I townread GB (and Kelsier) for in Imperial. The only thing that even closes resembles something that I feel similar about in GB's filter is his post about Hapa coaching that he got warned for. | ||
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On January 18 2015 16:38 rsoultin wrote: If all you're reading is the first part of my case, then I'd have to agree with you that it isn't strong. My gut feel on him from our first exchange was his posts were out-of-character. I'm not talking about a metaread here; I'm talking about the personality that I've come to associate with him. Trying to put that into words is hard. Please actually take the time to open the spoiler with his giant novel reads post and re-read it. I made comments directly into that post. Whether you agree with me or not, that is the main thrust of my case. No, other than the nul, null, null, type of stuff which is odd, I don't actually like your analysis at all there. I saw that stuff and that's a bit odd imo from Trfel, but I think my reasons on that same post are significantly better than yours. And I found reasons to both scumread and townread him from that post. | ||
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LoneMeow TheShining Jarjarbinks Trfel GlowingBear I don't think I want to lynch Trfel today though. IDK, I'm just not sold on it yet. Rsoultin and thinking of JJB as slam-lite have me thinking I might not actually want to lynch JJB either. Shining, LM, GB just don't really feel like a mafia team to me though so I'm pretty sure there's at least 1 mafia in the people I'm townreading/don't want to lynch. Lurker Lynch is definitely LM. I think GB is a good lynch. I'm actually kinda convincing myself into a Shining lynch though. He's essentially a lurker with an odd post I don't find terribly towny with weird reasoning on JJB. He's also someone that's kinda been brought up in passing here or there but people overall seem less interested in scumreading him than LM who I think has been roughly equivalent for most of the game. Anywho, I'll be around for a bit on my phone but am likely to head to bed soon as it's almost 3am. DP leave me notes/thoughts if you have anything specific you want to talk/think about. GB=Shining>LM for me right now. | ||
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On January 18 2015 11:57 geript wrote: + Show Spoiler + On January 18 2015 06:25 Trfel wrote: The way that LightningStrike played the start of this game still feels really weird to me. His thoughts seemed to be all over the place and his posting was somewhat random (particularly asking for rsoultin). However, since then he seems to have gained confidence and seems more towny. Especially after glancing through the scumgame he linked (yes I'm aware I played in that game, I wanted to look at it again anyway). LoneMeow seems very strange to me. At first I liked his questioning, and I still do, but all he has done is pick on people for small things. The one read he provided was at the request of GlowingBear. I know that LoneMeow is a very good player, and provides a lot of content without using a large number of posts, so I will wait for now.... but I am a bit suspicious. I generally like the way that Damdred and GlowingBear have been playing so far. Their analysis shows that they are reading the thread and trying to scumhunt, as well as generating discussion. I did notice that GlowingBear provided a lot of comments on posts in the thread, and I liked those. However, he also provided overall reads, but didn't show why he made those reads (they also didn't necessarily align with the comments he provided). The recent vote on Breshke is a continuation of this. However, I'm sure either of them could play a very capable scum game as well. Not a good Day 1 lynch. DarthPunk is coming up null. I have been waiting for more posts from him to provide more thoughts, but since he hasn't posted in a while, I will share my thoughts now. I do like that he picked up on LightingStrike's weird play at the start of the game. That was the same feeling that I got. However, he hasn't done very much at all except for saying that my opening made it seem that I am town. My opening doesn't really say anything about my alignment for reasons previously stated by geript, however the way I followed it up is more important (more on this later). For the record, several of you seem to be familiar with DarthPunk's playstyle, and I am completely unfamiliar with it, so that doesn't help. Geript's first post seemed a bit towny, and his second post seemed a bit scummy (it seemed like a poor use of a post when you are limiting yourself to ten). That's one fewer post to use to push a lynch later. Overall, geript seems fine for now, and is probably a poor Day 1 lynch. Rsoultin and jarjar, you two need to talk so that jarjar feels comfortable with Day 1. That aside, while jarjar's opening post is pretty horrible, he has given some useful thoughts since then. As for rsoultin, I feel that her play lines up exactly with (my knowledge of) her town meta. I also liked the questioning that she used with regards to my opening. Still, I take note that jarjar said that she is capable of doing this as either alignment. One thing I did find really strange is that rsoultin provided her thoughts using a Damdred quote. I have no idea why she would do this except to compare opinions, but she didn't provide any thoughts on Damdred (I know their thoughts on other players were side by side, but still), and it gave the impression that her reads were less independent. I do need to clarify that based on how last game (Newbie Mafia) went and my postgame discussions with GlowingBear, I have been trying a slightly different playstyle this game. My opening attempted to generate discussion, and a relatively large number of posts were made about it (the quality of the discussion it generated is more questionable, so perhaps it didn't work out as I intended). The reason I pushed that (false) viewpoint was because I wanted to get as much discussion from it as possible, which I believe I did. As for providing less content per post than in previous games, this is a conscious change I made after seeing how last game went. Brief summary of my play in last game: there wasn't much discussion on the first day, and I was busy, so I didn't share many thoughts or put in the effort that I wanted, and then I died. My death provided absolutely nothing for town to work with, since I hadn't shared any thoughts as they were not anywhere near conclusive. This game I am trying to share my thoughts more frequently to prevent something like that from happening again. The downside is that my posts will not contain as much quality content as I would like, but I believe that I have provided enough content. Everything I say is there for a reason (in the case of the coolTLname paragraph, the reason is because I don't want to delete it; not always the best reason, but whatever). With that in mind, I will answer geript's question. I (obviously) disagree with your read on me. I was intentionally being stubborn to argue with rsoultin and generate discussion, which (as I already stated) I think I was somewhat successful in. I was not so sure about your townread on LightningStrike at the time you made the post in question, but given some rereading and his posting since then, it seems reasonable. Rsoultin's play does seem towny so far, but he hasn't done anything that I couldn't see him doing as scum. I don't think that jarjar is a good lynch, however the reasons for that are mostly due to posts he made after you posted the read. If you have any questions, feel free to ask. Holy shit post. A few things in specific that I want to draw out: Coming from a reasonably logical player, follow the logic here: 1. GB has provided a number of overall reads 2. GB has given no reasons for those reads 3. GB's Breshke post is a direct continuation of #2 4. GB is not a good D1 lynch WTF????? Point 1 does not lead to Point 4 in any sort of way or means. Points 2 and 3 tend to lead to the exact opposite of Point 4. Second, I find the underlined to be exceptionally odd. DP picks up on something that Trfel picked up on; Trfel had the exact same feeling about it. Yet DP's alignment is completely null. Maybe I'm overestimating Trfel's ability here. The normal reaction to someone picking up on the exact same thing you are and feeling the exact same way you are about it 99% of the time leads to a same alignment read. For example, is pretty standard and generally quite good reasoning for reading a player. Yet, Trfel's path leads him to try and find completely different reasons for reading DP. That's really weird. All that said, one shining star in this post is Trfel's approach to rsoultin and JJB. I actually really like it. I still think that Trfel has a decent chance of flipping mafia, but I don't think I want to lynch him on D1 for this. This isn't an approach that I think would be natural for mafia to make even for a player who I think is decent like Trfel. + Show Spoiler + On January 18 2015 08:38 Trfel wrote: + Show Spoiler + On January 07 2015 04:51 TheWarWaffle wrote: My apologies for the inactivity. I give no excuse other than the fact that my life is busy. After reading the thread my current reads for the game are as follows: The Shining: Town The Shining has not posted all that much but the quality of posting changed drastically as soon as the game started. The Shining asks questions where they need to be asked and maintains a cordial aloofness towards everyone who is playing. No person is accused of anything without evidence. Half the Sky: Town HTS acts like a true townie. Says what she wants, when she wants to, to whomever she wants. At least, that's what she wants us to believe, but I don't have anything better at this time. rsoultin: Suspicious The accusation-train keeps on rolling whenever rsoultin is around. I find the similarities in play style to her previous games an indicator of deceit rather than openness. Rsoultin rolled Town in every other game she played like this, so why shouldn't she be Town now? I can't think of a better cover than this. Strangely, even though rsoultin admits that it's her "bias" to ignore inactives, she votes for me. This is strange for several reasons: I was inactive at the time she started my lynch wagon; she had previously agreed with my post on HTS; and there was no progression of thought as to why I was scum. jarjarbinks: Light Town Jarjarbinks' behavior sets off no alarm bells in my mind even though he lurks more than he posts. The posts he does make are normally short and succinct, and while many of his posts appear misleading at first, they work in the context. I think the only reason he is voting for me is because other people started the wagon. Trfel: Unknown As Trfel has posted effectively nothing indicating any affiliation, I must refrain from passing judgment on the hangman. Gumdrop: Town Gumdrop hasn't said much but from what was said I glean bits of Town. The reasons given for not posting more are adequate, and the type of posts implies a desire for something to happen, something the Mafia does not want. The posts that were made are logical and forward-thinking. A more Mafia-oriented lurker would post more misleading information. Silverarte: Possible Mafia The ease of which Silverarte hops aboard the bandwagon train is startling. Silverarte was leaning towards ExO_ and Gumdrop being scum, for the reasons of aggressive accusations and "posting and offering nothing" respectively. Somehow, both of these are forgotten as soon as she jumped on my vote bandwagon. For someone who admits she's new and even goes as far to use that as defense for gumdrop her voting for me makes no sense based on her previous actions. The previous existing relationship between Silverarte and rsoultin gives cause for the sudden change of thought, but even so... ExO_: Light Town My thoughts on ExO_ have flipped back and forth for some time now. Initially I thought he was town for being the only one willing to aggressively step and take affirmative action. After that, I thought he was scum for simply spreading accusations thin and putting a cloud of doubt over everyone, which is scum-like behavior. Though his disappearance is suspicious, it does not seem implicative. -Celestial-: Town -Celestial- maintains a consistent level of posts and explains his thoughts in a logical progression. I see no suspicious behavior, only a desire to understand and unearth new information. LightningStrike: Suspicious/Unknown I have my own reasons for being suspicious of LS, mainly due to the constant attempts to shift attention whenever the focus is on him. Tubesock: Mafia After looking at all of Tubesock's posts, I strongly believe that he is Mafia. His posts, while numerous, are short and always seem to detract from the conversation rather than add. Very few of the accusations presented by Tubesock are his; most are other people's regurgitated ideas. I think Tubesock's passive beginning was only due to the low amount of traffic it received, and that his "coming out of his shell" was him realizing that he could take advantage of it. Several times he has posted about the inactivity of the thread, which seems redundant when your very post makes it active. Tubesock only did this to make it look like he cares. A Mafia player wants there to be confusion, chaos, and distrust in the thread. Do Tubesock's actions create clear, organized discussion? I don't think so. Currently, Tubesock has my vote. I'd like to hear other people's opinions as well. To me, that post seems much more comprehensive than the post in this game. I don't see your point. I could also understand where TheWarWaffle was coming from in that post, even though I disagreed with his reads. In this game, his logic doesn't make sense. He says that because GlowingBear and I did something towny, we have to be scum. Both GlowingBear and I have also asked questions and contributed to discussion (however effectively), so that is the other criteria he set for his townreads. Ignoring the early questioning, TheWarWaffle's play seems noticeably worse. It actually makes me tempted to lynch him, though as GlowingBear stated, coming in with two scumreads on reasonably active players doesn't make sense for mafia. I don't like that Trfel's calling himself and GB essentially towny here, but I do like that he's picking up on a similar thing that I was with WW. Maybe I've just been a bit confirmation biased about Trfel. + Show Spoiler + On January 18 2015 09:10 Trfel wrote: I think that Damdred's action makes the most sense as a test. Damdred knows that he wouldn't be able to catch the three scum so early in the game, especially since one of them hadn't posted yet. He's a better player than that, we knows it, and he knows that we know it. I find it really hard to not scream SCUMSLIPSCUMSLIPSCUMSLIPSCUMSLIP. Please try to keep your post in context. I understand what you're saying here (regarding Damdred initial 3 scumreads) but please dear god don't post a phrase like "especially since on of [scum member] hadn't posted yet." Beside the Rsoultin/JJB idea, which I like and feels towny, He picks up on something that I did about WW and he also correctly talks about a post in correct context. The last is the by far the weakest point. But he's obviously aware, following along, thinking logically. I might not agree with his reads obviously because I'm a super end-game boss, but that doesn't mean my reads are always perfect. I had JJB as mafia last game. I have no problem with both finding him scummy and not wanting to lynch him. | ||
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Describe Damdred, Rsoultin and Trfel with 1 color and 1 animal. e.g. Damdred [color] [animal] | ||
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On January 18 2015 17:23 DarthPunk wrote: I fucking HATE noobs using meta. HATE IT. I wrote a post about it. Did you see it? It was full of rage and anger, I just couldn't allow my inner DP out though  | ||
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On January 18 2015 17:24 jarjarbinks wrote: like based on what I know of them as a person? Just describe them as 1 color and 1 animal | ||
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On January 18 2015 17:30 DarthPunk wrote: Honestly what are the coaches doing nowdays? The amount of meta arguments in this game is Literally. Blowing. My. Mind. I think people aren't using coaches as much as I've seen in the past. I know they're criminally underused in general. I also think that some coaches probably should be coaching. I'm honestly not sure I should be coaching; I'm not sure I'm good enough. | ||
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