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On January 24 2015 11:16 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2015 11:10 DarthPunk wrote:On January 24 2015 10:46 rsoultin wrote:On January 24 2015 10:39 DarthPunk wrote:On January 24 2015 10:38 rsoultin wrote:On January 24 2015 10:28 DarthPunk wrote:On January 24 2015 10:27 rsoultin wrote:On January 24 2015 10:22 DarthPunk wrote:On January 24 2015 10:18 rsoultin wrote:On January 24 2015 10:13 DarthPunk wrote:
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Why are you having such a strong reaction to geript's analysis here?
Like geript has a good point about the night kills. He isn't calling JJB scum, but you seem to be invested in not talking about this.
Is this a good point DP? Do you think the night kills eliminates the possibility of veteran mafia players ever being scum? Where is your cut-off for "veteran"? This is a coached game, which makes the newbie scum argument less valid anyway, and a pretty obvious play imo. As I said, it's worth taking another look and reconsidering my reads, but it is not good enough alone to lynch on. I want to get my one pretty sure scumread lynched. It's that simple. If I see someone with a better case that I can verify and makes sense to sheep, sure, but until then I'm going to push that scumread, plain and simple. Nobody said anything about not lynching your scumread... Nobody said anything about lynching someone based on geripts analysis. Geript had solid analysis on the night kills, the GB kill makes zero sense and anyone who has played scum before would auto kill JJB imo. I agree with the conclusion that geript made about the scum team probably being noobs. Why are you having such a strong reaction to this? It can't be because you don;t want to lynch based off his analysis because nobody suggested that. Clear now? No. Not really. Repeating yourself when I clearly have no fucking Idea what you are talking about in the first place does not clarify anything for me. You asked me why I was having a strong reaction to something. From my perspective I'm not responding strongly to it at all. In fact, the opposite is true. I'm not finding his point compelling. Reacting strongly to it would be more along the lines of saying "geript, you have to be mafia or stupid just bringing this up". I don't think that. I just don't think his point was earth-shattering. Why do you think this is a strong reaction? Cause It seems that way to me? Like if you don't feel that way i'm not going to convince you that you do. ...
No, you're really not going to convince me that I'm feeling something I'm not. Good statement. -_- I'm sorry, but this seems like a very pointless conversation.
And yet that is what it seemed like you were trying to do. You became very combative when talking about this point from geript. anyway I agree it is a pointless conversation and I have gotten everything I can out of it. While still avoiding the question I asked you. Do you or do you not think that a GB NK and a RB on JJB adds up to
no possible vets
in the scum team?why? Maybe if I break it up like that it will be harder to overlook.
How is this difficult to grasp?
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On January 24 2015 12:06 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2015 11:51 rsoultin wrote:
Because if you still think it's possible then that's exactly what I think, and that's exactly why I don't think geript's point is enough to incriminate certain people and exonerate others.
Point out to me. Where. ANYONE. CHANGED THEIR READS BASED ON GERIPTS ANALYSIS. You seem paranoid at a townie analyzing the night kill, or anyone drawing conclusions from it when nobody is doing that at all. THAT IS SCUMMY AS SHIT.
If that's what you think, be my guest.
I can disagree with a point without people changing their reads. I'm not sure why you're so hung up on that.
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On January 24 2015 12:10 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2015 12:07 rsoultin wrote:On January 24 2015 11:16 rsoultin wrote:On January 24 2015 11:10 DarthPunk wrote:On January 24 2015 10:46 rsoultin wrote:On January 24 2015 10:39 DarthPunk wrote:On January 24 2015 10:38 rsoultin wrote:On January 24 2015 10:28 DarthPunk wrote:On January 24 2015 10:27 rsoultin wrote:On January 24 2015 10:22 DarthPunk wrote:
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Nobody said anything about not lynching your scumread... Nobody said anything about lynching someone based on geripts analysis.
Geript had solid analysis on the night kills, the GB kill makes zero sense and anyone who has played scum before would auto kill JJB imo. I agree with the conclusion that geript made about the scum team probably being noobs.
Why are you having such a strong reaction to this? It can't be because you don;t want to lynch based off his analysis because nobody suggested that. Clear now? No. Not really. Repeating yourself when I clearly have no fucking Idea what you are talking about in the first place does not clarify anything for me. You asked me why I was having a strong reaction to something. From my perspective I'm not responding strongly to it at all. In fact, the opposite is true. I'm not finding his point compelling. Reacting strongly to it would be more along the lines of saying "geript, you have to be mafia or stupid just bringing this up". I don't think that. I just don't think his point was earth-shattering. Why do you think this is a strong reaction? Cause It seems that way to me? Like if you don't feel that way i'm not going to convince you that you do. ...
No, you're really not going to convince me that I'm feeling something I'm not. Good statement. -_- I'm sorry, but this seems like a very pointless conversation.
And yet that is what it seemed like you were trying to do. You became very combative when talking about this point from geript. anyway I agree it is a pointless conversation and I have gotten everything I can out of it. While still avoiding the question I asked you. Do you or do you not think that a GB NK and a RB on JJB adds up to
no possible vets
in the scum team?why? Maybe if I break it up like that it will be harder to overlook. How is this difficult to grasp? I said that is what I think. That does not mean I do not believe it is possible for a world to exist where somehow geript or especially Damdred are scum. I think it is likely. I agree with geript. That does not preclude any other answer potentially being true which is the position you tried to shove down my throat. You know how you could have known that? Read the post I posted like 6 times and not tried to draw an irrational logical position from that conclusion.
Or you simply could have answered my questions. I am not trying to paint you into a corner. If I were I'd be scumming you for this exchange. Asking you if you think something is not the same as shoving it down your throat.
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On January 24 2015 12:07 The Shining wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2015 11:25 Damdred wrote:
Shining how was I echoing thread sentiment when I brought up original points at the time against him? You had some original points against him at the time of you casing him, yes, but I guess I expressed that thought wrong. What I meant was you planted the LM case and let it sit N2 and then came out the gate pushing it after Bresh appeared with his LM case. Also, I had already questioned LMs activity at this point, too. The support for the LM lynch picked up overnight you could've seen that as an opportunity to push the mislynch. Again, this is all on LM flipping Town, which I don't see happening. Tin foil hats. I'm actually more suspicious of Geript pushing a counterlynch on you instead. Repeating myself here but unless he really is convinced LM isn't scum, I don't see the sense in replacing him with you as the lynch. Unless this is trying to save a scum mate late in the game? Too much tinfoil cuz LM hasn't flipped yet but still worth mentioning for once he does flip scum.
Talk to me, Shining. I'm beating my head against a wall with DP and it won't get me anywhere, lol.
You said you don't think LM will flip town. I'm kind of curious as to the tinfoil hat theories if he hasn't flipped yet. We still have plenty of time to discuss that, provided LM is lynched and doesn't flip scum.
So you're scumreading geript for his push on Damdred earlier? What do you think of his comment about lynching lurkers?
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On January 24 2015 12:23 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2015 12:14 rsoultin wrote:On January 24 2015 12:06 DarthPunk wrote:On January 24 2015 11:51 rsoultin wrote:
Because if you still think it's possible then that's exactly what I think, and that's exactly why I don't think geript's point is enough to incriminate certain people and exonerate others.
Point out to me. Where. ANYONE. CHANGED THEIR READS BASED ON GERIPTS ANALYSIS. You seem paranoid at a townie analyzing the night kill, or anyone drawing conclusions from it when nobody is doing that at all. THAT IS SCUMMY AS SHIT. If that's what you think, be my guest. I can disagree with a point without people changing their reads. I'm not sure why you're so hung up on that. Because you kept stating that you were not going to lynch people based on geripts analysis. When not only had nobody even suggested that. Nobody had even used that as a basis for a shift in their reads. Anyway ##unvoteI still think you are town based on the strength of your filter before you started being impossible to deal with rationally.
Hm. Okay? I'm pretty sure I've stated other things without being prompted to as well, so I'm not sure why you put special significance on that, but that's fine. Perhaps it all goes back to your initial tone read on me.
DP, so let's say that geript's point is 100% correct. Who would your noob scum team be? I'm assuming Shining because of your earlier suspicions.
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On January 24 2015 12:43 geript wrote:
Rsoultin going ham on stupid shit and not understanding anything is really odd too. Like that never happened in the newbie game.
-_- lol. Sure, geript. Is LM just a policy lynch to you?
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On January 24 2015 12:54 geript wrote:
Mostly. I forget what points Breshke made start of D3 that Damdred was trying to claim. But I liked those a lot. I'll filter that shit specifically tomorrow just to make sure it's a good lynch. I kinda want to lynch Damdred though. LM feels like a better lynch but I'd get 0 pleasure out of it.
I can't read Damdred still -_- If I had to change wagons it would be to him, but I wouldn't want to risk going to lylo for it so. You like being right; I can tell lol. Well, if things are still looking similar to how I'm seeing them now, he'd probably be a good Day 4 lynch. I don't think it's a good idea to potentially carry a lurker into lylo at all.
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I'd also like an answer to that whenever you get back into the thread, Shining.
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On January 24 2015 15:24 The Shining wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2015 13:44 geript wrote:On January 24 2015 13:40 The Shining wrote:On January 24 2015 12:34 geript wrote:On January 24 2015 10:28 The Shining wrote:On January 24 2015 09:46 geript wrote:
I keep on forgetting about Shining. Also, this. This has to be the 2nd or 3rd time you've alluded to forgetting about me. I find that almost as offensive as GB ignoring me. Lol. But I had to ask about this...why keep mentioning me and how forgettable I am? If you're going to do it more than once, it feels like you're not forgetting me, since you're mentioning me after all. It almost feels like you're soft pushing me without soft pushing me and waiting for someone else to take up the gauntlet and run with it, so you don't get blamed for another mislynch(first being WW). Its the first red flag in my mind that I'm seeing coming from you but you being scum would feel like HTS in the newbie game all over to me. And you provided a counter wagon against LMs wagon in Damdred. Since I am assuming I'm right in my scumread on LM, I have to wonder why you're trying to save scum. Also how much sense does it make if you 2 were teammates? Going to have to review the Damdred case since I don't trust him either but I don't know if this is him being scum or just lazy. 3rd option that I have to also wonder because I like throwing everything out there. The LM lynch has a good amount of support. Are you 2 bussing eachother? No you're literally quite forgettable this game. That's a warning sign but I'm not sure what even makes you think I'm pushing you based on that. Yep. I'm totally busing LM by pushing Damdred. You caught me there. I think you misunderstood. I meant are you and Damdred bussing eachother and hiding it under the support LM's push has gained. Also, 3rd option was said to imply that its only possible if the first 2 points are wrong. I like looking at everything from all sides. It gives me a solid train of thinking to follow once I receive new info. I'm sorry that I'm putting it out there in the thread for others to weigh in on. And I just said it feels like a soft push without the push. Let someone else read it, look into me and why I'm so forgettable and push your mislynch for you if you're scum. Nothing other than the fact you've brought me being forgettable up before hints to this but if it crossed my mind, I'm putting it out there. Excuse me. Yes, Damdred and I are bussing each other at Lylo +1. You found us out. You sneaky townsperson you. When there is no real threat to either of you if you're scum with LM already at 5 votes? It doesn't seem impossible to me but whatever. Condescending attitude and a sarcastic response. Would you rather I keep my thoughts to myself? Because that doesn't help town at all. And you get rather touchy when anybody so much as mentions your name in a post. DP - Because we don't have unlimited mislynches to play with, far from it. I've done my best trying to read them both and your question was which one seems scummier than the other, not which one I think is scum. I've made clear my only solid scumread is LM, then I toss up between Breshke and Damdred. Geript wasn't even on that list. Geript's response to me brainstorming and not pushing him, just implying what I'll learn from an LM flip seems overly sarcastic and dismissive. That's why he's on that list now, too. I'm still on the fence about Damdred so yes, from where I'm sitting and what I'm seeing, I'm concerned over Townier but not confirmed Town Geript pushing Scummier but not confirmed Scum Damdred over Scummiest LoneMeow.
Thank you. That clears it up for me, anyway.
Eh, I'm ignoring the attitudes as much as I can this game. They can't all be scum. If you want to bounce ideas with me I'm happy to listen. I know people keep asking me where I stand with the ifs and buts, but I think I've gotten all I can out of a Day 1 vote analysis and there's not much to gain from Day 2, so...
If you like I can explain my read on Breshke? Right now I'm trying to find scum by finding town.
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On January 24 2015 16:05 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2015 15:24 The Shining wrote:On January 24 2015 13:44 geript wrote:On January 24 2015 13:40 The Shining wrote:On January 24 2015 12:34 geript wrote:On January 24 2015 10:28 The Shining wrote:On January 24 2015 09:46 geript wrote:
I keep on forgetting about Shining. Also, this. This has to be the 2nd or 3rd time you've alluded to forgetting about me. I find that almost as offensive as GB ignoring me. Lol. But I had to ask about this...why keep mentioning me and how forgettable I am? If you're going to do it more than once, it feels like you're not forgetting me, since you're mentioning me after all. It almost feels like you're soft pushing me without soft pushing me and waiting for someone else to take up the gauntlet and run with it, so you don't get blamed for another mislynch(first being WW). Its the first red flag in my mind that I'm seeing coming from you but you being scum would feel like HTS in the newbie game all over to me. And you provided a counter wagon against LMs wagon in Damdred. Since I am assuming I'm right in my scumread on LM, I have to wonder why you're trying to save scum. Also how much sense does it make if you 2 were teammates? Going to have to review the Damdred case since I don't trust him either but I don't know if this is him being scum or just lazy. 3rd option that I have to also wonder because I like throwing everything out there. The LM lynch has a good amount of support. Are you 2 bussing eachother? No you're literally quite forgettable this game. That's a warning sign but I'm not sure what even makes you think I'm pushing you based on that. Yep. I'm totally busing LM by pushing Damdred. You caught me there. I think you misunderstood. I meant are you and Damdred bussing eachother and hiding it under the support LM's push has gained. Also, 3rd option was said to imply that its only possible if the first 2 points are wrong. I like looking at everything from all sides. It gives me a solid train of thinking to follow once I receive new info. I'm sorry that I'm putting it out there in the thread for others to weigh in on. And I just said it feels like a soft push without the push. Let someone else read it, look into me and why I'm so forgettable and push your mislynch for you if you're scum. Nothing other than the fact you've brought me being forgettable up before hints to this but if it crossed my mind, I'm putting it out there. Excuse me. Yes, Damdred and I are bussing each other at Lylo +1. You found us out. You sneaky townsperson you. When there is no real threat to either of you if you're scum with LM already at 5 votes? It doesn't seem impossible to me but whatever. Condescending attitude and a sarcastic response. Would you rather I keep my thoughts to myself? Because that doesn't help town at all. And you get rather touchy when anybody so much as mentions your name in a post. DP - Because we don't have unlimited mislynches to play with, far from it. I've done my best trying to read them both and your question was which one seems scummier than the other, not which one I think is scum. I've made clear my only solid scumread is LM, then I toss up between Breshke and Damdred. Geript wasn't even on that list. Geript's response to me brainstorming and not pushing him, just implying what I'll learn from an LM flip seems overly sarcastic and dismissive. That's why he's on that list now, too. I'm still on the fence about Damdred so yes, from where I'm sitting and what I'm seeing, I'm concerned over Townier but not confirmed Town Geript pushing Scummier but not confirmed Scum Damdred over Scummiest LoneMeow. Thank you. That clears it up for me, anyway. Eh, I'm ignoring the attitudes as much as I can this game. They can't all be scum. If you want to bounce ideas with me I'm happy to listen. I know people keep asking me where I stand with the ifs and buts, but I think I've gotten all I can out of a Day 1 vote analysis and there's not much to gain from Day 2, so... If you like I can explain my read on Breshke? Right now I'm trying to find scum by finding town.
EBWOP:
Actually, if you get a spare moment, please read his filter, particularly leading up to the Day 1 vote. Then please give me your thoughts. He caught my attention because he was parked on JJB when everyone else switched.
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@DP
In fact, I'd like your thoughts on it, too. I specifically approached players' filters with an eye on their voting and how their reads developed leading up to the votes. It was a little more difficult with all the wagon switches, but it's why I have some people as town that some of you don't. I want to see if y'all see/get the same things from those filters.
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On January 24 2015 16:40 DarthPunk wrote:
I just looked and Breshke's day one filter and it looks really bad in hindsight.
It wasn't amazing, no. What do you think of his play at EoD?
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On January 24 2015 16:46 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2015 16:46 rsoultin wrote:On January 24 2015 16:40 DarthPunk wrote:
I just looked and Breshke's day one filter and it looks really bad in hindsight.
It wasn't amazing, no. What do you think of his play at EoD? End of which day?
Day 1.
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On January 24 2015 17:12 DarthPunk wrote:
I mean what do you want me to say?
It was bad. He only wanted to lynch JJB who wasn;t getting lynched and then he afk'd
Sure. That's what it looks like if you're not paying attention to the context. (And JJB was a viable lynch before the claim, not to mention scumread initially by both you and geript, so it's not a wild Day 1 read. Just putting that out there.)
On January 18 2015 13:18 Breshke wrote:Damdred i had a look at jarjars filter and am probably agreeing with you. Show nested quote +On January 17 2015 18:32 jarjarbinks wrote:On January 17 2015 07:44 LightningStrike wrote:On January 17 2015 07:43 DarthPunk wrote:On January 17 2015 07:41 LightningStrike wrote:On January 17 2015 07:40 DarthPunk wrote:On January 17 2015 07:38 LightningStrike wrote:On January 17 2015 07:35 DarthPunk wrote:On January 17 2015 07:32 LightningStrike wrote:On January 17 2015 07:28 DarthPunk wrote:
What does everyone think of Trfel after his weird vote on Geript?
This is the first time I seen him do policy lynching Day 1 so I have no idea if he's town or not based on meta alone. Well I don't think you need to use meta especially on such a new player. To me it seemed like a very townie thing to do even though it was bad and wrong. Which newbie scum player is going to try and policy lynch a vet at the start of the game? Shows no fear of being controversial in the thread. Shit like that rarely happens for new scum players. Sorry to break it to you but Tfrel is not entirely new since he played 3 games with me with 1 of them me being scum and him town and the rest we were both town together so I know his town meta but this is something he never done at the opening of any of the games I played with him. LOL. Sorry to break it to you but 3 games is still new. Meh fair enough. What are your thoughts on Tfrels actions so far? Are you not reading the thread? I just said I thought it was townie. Like we were just talking about that. Ops I was just a little bit to tunneled on replying to you. I do agree his behavior is most likely town to policy lynch a vet player Day 1 but it not exactly good idea to do it (shurgs) This is behavior that doesn't surprise me. I'm using this quote because I feel like it best justifies my argument for why I think he's town. Last game (this is a meta read), LS did things like this and got decimated for it. Almost got killed D1. Got killed D2. I would hope this doesn't happen again. On the argument that LS is acting more "ballsy" and that "ballsy=mafia" I would counter with that LS is learning the game and is more confident. Plus, I felt he was kind of right in sticking up for himself in saying that trfel had playing 3 games and that was less "newby" than people were giving him credit for. IF I had to pick someone to be "the towniest of the town", I would pick LS. He has generated discussion. He is acting similiarly to last game where he was town. Only way to lynch this guy D1 would be to policy lynch him for lack of experience. This read is almost baseless. Amid all the fluff the two reasons for the town read are that he generated discussion and meta. As to the generated discussion part i would say many players have done this. The first two that come to mind are Trfel and GB with both of their openings. However in the spoiler below you can see that Jarjar doesn't think that them making waves with their opening is alignment indicative but thinks the fact that LS has generated discussion is townie. The thought process here doesn't seem to line up. + Show Spoiler +On January 17 2015 18:48 jarjarbinks wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2015 15:35 Trfel wrote:GlowingBear, I'm assuming that you typed those posts over the course of reading the game? So the first things you said were not influenced on the later things? The rest of this post will be using that assumption. You read jarjarbinks D1 from the previous game (Newbie Mafia). You know that his play was miserable on D1 there as well, and he was town (his play was considerably better after D1). Someone is going to have to teach him how to play D1 (looking at you rsoultin), but I don't think I can see myself lynching him for inactivity, even if he provided a terrible excuse for it. On January 17 2015 13:45 GlowingBear wrote:On January 17 2015 10:47 LightningStrike wrote:
I don't think there is a voting thread for this game fyi guys. Also what is the BS Meter? I never heard you use this term before can you explain it please? OMG THIS IS HORRIBLE What is so horrible about this post? I mean, it is surprising that LightningStrike didn't know what rsoultin meant by BS meter, but I don't understand why that makes it a horrible post. Are you saying that LightningStrike is scum because of this, or just that the post is bad? I also noticed that you said that one of my posts was bad, and then one of my paragraphs was bad and full of fluff. Then you townread me. What is the reasoning behind this read? That I attempted to follow your advice for promoting discussion? (for the record, I fully realize that your entrance post is intended to do the exact same thing, and I tried to make a point of it, but no one else responded, so..)Also, why the emphasis on Damdred? + Show Spoiler [For GlowingBear] +For obvious reasons we can't discuss the effectiveness of my attempts to promote discussion now, but hopefully you can help me with this after the game? I bolded the part (I hope lol) of this quote that I thought summed up my thoughts on Trfel and GlowingBear. Trfel's vote and GlowingBears equally "interesting" opening is probably due to the strategy GlowingBear helped give Trfel. GlowingBear's explanation of Trfel's Vote makes this WIFOM in my eyes. They both started the way they did to make waves and nothing more. Not alignment indicative in my eyes. That being said, I'm more suspicious of GlowingBear over Trfel because of his playing experience. A counterargument to this for Trfel is his "stubbornness" on the bottom of page 8. Strange play if you were just trying to "make waves". He could just feel a necessity to defend himself, but I felt the arguments against his vote were relatively weak at the time. Saying what I said above about GlowingBear, I feel like he might want to try doing something else besides claiming VT at the beginning if that was the "making waves" play that shows balls. Us newbs killed LS for just that last game and we (mostly me) are slow learners. Also secondly on his meta point he has played one game as town and has never seen him as mafia so that isn't really justified either. Hence i think his LS read is fairly scummy
Personally not a fan of this read of his and I've already discussed why with him, but that's not the point. This was the only strong scumread in his filter. Come EoD, big hullabaloo with GB and all that noise, you see Breshke attempting to push his scumread:
On January 18 2015 21:24 Breshke wrote:
Yeah its fairly shit isnt it.
##Vote:JJB/b]
I still think this would be the lynch today even thoughpeople familiar with him seem to disagree
While still trying to determine the alignment of the main wagon:
On January 18 2015 21:26 Breshke wrote:
Ffs
##Vote:JJB
Currently id also be down for a GB lynch
On January 19 2015 05:23 Breshke wrote:
GB if damdred wadsnt an option who would you go for?
On January 19 2015 05:30 Breshke wrote:
Also GB what do you think of jarjar?
[B]On January 19 2015 06:24 Breshke wrote:
Btw im not intrested in lynching GB today anymore. I really think jarjaf is the way to go
There are some other examples of him trying to understand why players were voting for one another, but the point is his play lined up with his reads and he seems to be actively looking for the best lynch and engaging with other players (until he AFKd)
Then of course his play picked up in Day 2 and has been much better since, which isn't really that odd a trend given how much of a clusterfuck the first day phase usually is in these games.
I don't see someone stubbornly clinging to a read against all evidence, or content to just park a vote for whatever reason. That progression reads townie enough to me to fit in with his improved filter later.
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On January 24 2015 17:41 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2015 17:25 rsoultin wrote:On January 24 2015 17:12 DarthPunk wrote:
I mean what do you want me to say?
It was bad. He only wanted to lynch JJB who wasn;t getting lynched and then he afk'd Sure. That's what it looks like if you're not paying attention to the context. (And JJB was a viable lynch before the claim, not to mention scumread initially by both you and geript, so it's not a wild Day 1 read. Just putting that out there.) On January 18 2015 13:18 Breshke wrote:Damdred i had a look at jarjars filter and am probably agreeing with you. On January 17 2015 18:32 jarjarbinks wrote:On January 17 2015 07:44 LightningStrike wrote:On January 17 2015 07:43 DarthPunk wrote:On January 17 2015 07:41 LightningStrike wrote:On January 17 2015 07:40 DarthPunk wrote:On January 17 2015 07:38 LightningStrike wrote:On January 17 2015 07:35 DarthPunk wrote:
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Well I don't think you need to use meta especially on such a new player.
To me it seemed like a very townie thing to do even though it was bad and wrong.
Which newbie scum player is going to try and policy lynch a vet at the start of the game?
Shows no fear of being controversial in the thread. Shit like that rarely happens for new scum players. Sorry to break it to you but Tfrel is not entirely new since he played 3 games with me with 1 of them me being scum and him town and the rest we were both town together so I know his town meta but this is something he never done at the opening of any of the games I played with him. LOL. Sorry to break it to you but 3 games is still new. Meh fair enough. What are your thoughts on Tfrels actions so far? Are you not reading the thread? I just said I thought it was townie. Like we were just talking about that. Ops I was just a little bit to tunneled on replying to you. I do agree his behavior is most likely town to policy lynch a vet player Day 1 but it not exactly good idea to do it (shurgs) This is behavior that doesn't surprise me. I'm using this quote because I feel like it best justifies my argument for why I think he's town. Last game (this is a meta read), LS did things like this and got decimated for it. Almost got killed D1. Got killed D2. I would hope this doesn't happen again. On the argument that LS is acting more "ballsy" and that "ballsy=mafia" I would counter with that LS is learning the game and is more confident. Plus, I felt he was kind of right in sticking up for himself in saying that trfel had playing 3 games and that was less "newby" than people were giving him credit for. IF I had to pick someone to be "the towniest of the town", I would pick LS. He has generated discussion. He is acting similiarly to last game where he was town. Only way to lynch this guy D1 would be to policy lynch him for lack of experience. This read is almost baseless. Amid all the fluff the two reasons for the town read are that he generated discussion and meta. As to the generated discussion part i would say many players have done this. The first two that come to mind are Trfel and GB with both of their openings. However in the spoiler below you can see that Jarjar doesn't think that them making waves with their opening is alignment indicative but thinks the fact that LS has generated discussion is townie. The thought process here doesn't seem to line up. + Show Spoiler +On January 17 2015 18:48 jarjarbinks wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2015 15:35 Trfel wrote:GlowingBear, I'm assuming that you typed those posts over the course of reading the game? So the first things you said were not influenced on the later things? The rest of this post will be using that assumption. You read jarjarbinks D1 from the previous game (Newbie Mafia). You know that his play was miserable on D1 there as well, and he was town (his play was considerably better after D1). Someone is going to have to teach him how to play D1 (looking at you rsoultin), but I don't think I can see myself lynching him for inactivity, even if he provided a terrible excuse for it. On January 17 2015 13:45 GlowingBear wrote:On January 17 2015 10:47 LightningStrike wrote:
I don't think there is a voting thread for this game fyi guys. Also what is the BS Meter? I never heard you use this term before can you explain it please? OMG THIS IS HORRIBLE What is so horrible about this post? I mean, it is surprising that LightningStrike didn't know what rsoultin meant by BS meter, but I don't understand why that makes it a horrible post. Are you saying that LightningStrike is scum because of this, or just that the post is bad? I also noticed that you said that one of my posts was bad, and then one of my paragraphs was bad and full of fluff. Then you townread me. What is the reasoning behind this read? That I attempted to follow your advice for promoting discussion? (for the record, I fully realize that your entrance post is intended to do the exact same thing, and I tried to make a point of it, but no one else responded, so..)Also, why the emphasis on Damdred? + Show Spoiler [For GlowingBear] +For obvious reasons we can't discuss the effectiveness of my attempts to promote discussion now, but hopefully you can help me with this after the game? I bolded the part (I hope lol) of this quote that I thought summed up my thoughts on Trfel and GlowingBear. Trfel's vote and GlowingBears equally "interesting" opening is probably due to the strategy GlowingBear helped give Trfel. GlowingBear's explanation of Trfel's Vote makes this WIFOM in my eyes. They both started the way they did to make waves and nothing more. Not alignment indicative in my eyes. That being said, I'm more suspicious of GlowingBear over Trfel because of his playing experience. A counterargument to this for Trfel is his "stubbornness" on the bottom of page 8. Strange play if you were just trying to "make waves". He could just feel a necessity to defend himself, but I felt the arguments against his vote were relatively weak at the time. Saying what I said above about GlowingBear, I feel like he might want to try doing something else besides claiming VT at the beginning if that was the "making waves" play that shows balls. Us newbs killed LS for just that last game and we (mostly me) are slow learners. Also secondly on his meta point he has played one game as town and has never seen him as mafia so that isn't really justified either. Hence i think his LS read is fairly scummy Personally not a fan of this read of his and I've already discussed why with him, but that's not the point. This was the only strong scumread in his filter. Come EoD, big hullabaloo with GB and all that noise, you see Breshke attempting to push his scumread: On January 18 2015 21:24 Breshke wrote:
Yeah its fairly shit isnt it.
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I still think this would be the lynch today even thoughpeople familiar with him seem to disagree While still trying to determine the alignment of the main wagon: On January 18 2015 21:26 Breshke wrote:
Ffs
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Currently id also be down for a GB lynch On January 19 2015 05:23 Breshke wrote:
GB if damdred wadsnt an option who would you go for? On January 19 2015 05:30 Breshke wrote:
Also GB what do you think of jarjar? [B]On January 19 2015 06:24 Breshke wrote:
Btw im not intrested in lynching GB today anymore. I really think jarjaf is the way to go There are some other examples of him trying to understand why players were voting for one another, but the point is his play lined up with his reads and he seems to be actively looking for the best lynch and engaging with other players (until he AFKd) Then of course his play picked up in Day 2 and has been much better since, which isn't really that odd a trend given how much of a clusterfuck the first day phase usually is in these games. I don't see someone stubbornly clinging to a read against all evidence, or content to just park a vote for whatever reason. That progression reads townie enough to me to fit in with his improved filter later. Yeah I agree that the passage of posts you quoted look townie when you put it like that. But honestly those questions don't seem to lead anywhere. Like he doesn;t draw a conclusion from it or at least doesn;t share his conclusions with the thread. Also GB looked townie enough for a huge wagon on him to completely dissipate within like 15 min or so. So it's not like Breshke was doing something against thread sentiiment. The place he ended up was bad. Period. And JJB was NOT a realistic candidate because neither Gewrit nor myself really tried nor wanted to lynch him. And honestly we were going to get the lynch we wanted day one. And the reason we didn't want to lynch him was because of parallels we drew to Slam at the start.
Reread the vote DP please -_-
People on the whole were not interested in moving onto that WW lynch. Most of your sheepers came after JJB claimed. I spent a good few minutes trying to decide whether or not to switch my own vote cause frankly they all felt like shit ^^ but I had stronger townreads on GB and JJB than WW.
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On January 24 2015 17:42 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2015 17:25 rsoultin wrote:On January 24 2015 17:12 DarthPunk wrote:
I mean what do you want me to say?
It was bad. He only wanted to lynch JJB who wasn;t getting lynched and then he afk'd Sure. That's what it looks like if you're not paying attention to the context. (And JJB was a viable lynch before the claim, not to mention scumread initially by both you and geript, so it's not a wild Day 1 read. Just putting that out there.) This part is untrue as explained in above post. I can see where you are going with this and it does give bresh some cred but not as much as you seem to believe IMO.
All I'm saying is compare what he's doing during the lynch to, say, LoneMeow, and one looks particularly more townie than the other. I can see where Breshke was coming from even if I didn't agree with him.
And that slam-lite stuff is just...lol if that's why y'all were townreading him I have no words. Not just meta on a new player, but it wasn't even his meta.
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On January 24 2015 17:58 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2015 17:49 rsoultin wrote:On January 24 2015 17:42 DarthPunk wrote:On January 24 2015 17:25 rsoultin wrote:On January 24 2015 17:12 DarthPunk wrote:
I mean what do you want me to say?
It was bad. He only wanted to lynch JJB who wasn;t getting lynched and then he afk'd Sure. That's what it looks like if you're not paying attention to the context. (And JJB was a viable lynch before the claim, not to mention scumread initially by both you and geript, so it's not a wild Day 1 read. Just putting that out there.) This part is untrue as explained in above post. I can see where you are going with this and it does give bresh some cred but not as much as you seem to believe IMO. All I'm saying is compare what he's doing during the lynch to, say, LoneMeow, and one looks particularly more townie than the other. I can see where Breshke was coming from even if I didn't agree with him. And that slam-lite stuff is just...lol if that's why y'all were townreading him I have no words. Not just meta on a new player, but it wasn't even his meta. Say you are unfamiliar with something. Well a strategy you can use to understand that something easier is to draw parallels to something as an aide to help you understand that new thing easier and more effectively. The slam comparison was great IMO.
Eh, I personally don't care that much why you guys townread him. He does need help on the appearing townie thing. This really isn't about that.
Anyway, I explained my townread on Breshke. His Day 2 filter speaks for itself, imo, but his EoD didn't appear as bad to me on closer inspection as it does at first glance.
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On January 24 2015 19:39 LoneMeow wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2015 08:26 rsoultin wrote:On January 24 2015 08:19 Breshke wrote:
RSo what scumteam are you most paranoid of? Lol, depends on the minute and who posted last sometimes  That's why I'm pushing LM who I'm fairly confident of. This vote should make the first day more clear, and hopefully give us new information to work with. Assuming I'm right on LM, I'm hoping to find the third scum after the vote Day 3. Or at least fully clear 1 or 2 more of my town leans. Please explain which of your town leans mislynching me would clear and why?
This is a weird question LM. If I believed that you were town, I would not be pushing you for lynch. Assuming you're mafia, with two reds flipped it would bring a new dynamic to the Day 1 vote to evaluate, and also information from how the Day 2 vote goes, that might allow me to clear one or more of the people I'm not sure of.
And if this is a mislynch, well...that's harder. So I'm hoping it's not. The fact of the matter is that based on the Day 1 vote, your behavior is the only behavior that doesn't read townie to me at all, in the sense I can't think of reasons that make it town. You said that you didn't have the time to know when WW voted vice trfel, but you were there at EoD while all the switching was going on. I can see getting a little lost (I did -_-), but that post read so very much like "oh, good lord, there is a reason that WW could be scum, yay now I can switch without looking scummy".
I don't know how else to put it. I'm glad you're coming out now, but if you're town, it's probably too little, too late. Note the other less active players with small filters. They're in the thread making reads, asking questions, on a semi-regular basis. Your activity is more sporadic. It makes it hard for me to objectively look at you, look at them, and say hey that person is scum and LM is town.
Give me a reason to believe a player here is more likely to be scum than you.
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I'm reading your case on Damdred now, Lonemeow. I also have to read geript's closer. I will say that I do remember going through his filter when Damdred's read changes first came up after Day 1, however, when I was back to leaning scum on him, and a look through his reads actually had me drop him to null rather than made me think he was more likely to be scum.
Maybe I missed something, though.
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On January 25 2015 00:33 jarjarbinks wrote:
LM- I've never played with you. People keep claiming that your more inactive this round. Is it true? Do you have any reasons for being less active?
DP- Can you clarify what exactly makes damdred a better lynch than LM? Was it just because LM started posting last night? Did your spat with Rsoultin make her more scum, or did you not getting anything out of that?
Rsoultin- Have you learned anything from your inquiries of the past 24 hours? Did your talks with Geript and DP make you think either was more town or more mafia?
Shining-Besides me, who are 3 people you consider most town at this point?
Damdred- Who are 3 people you consider most town at this point?
What I learned will be more useful after this lynch is decided. I'm sorry I'm not being more straightforward about this right now, but I want to concentrate on pushing the LM lynch (unless he gives me a good reason not to lynch him beyond suddenly becoming active when his ass is on the line, -sorry, LM, but it's just the truth-). I think he's scum and I'm expecting mafia to try to find a way out of this lynch if he is, which I'd prefer not to contribute to right now.
But yes, I do think that depending on how the vote goes, some of the things from the last 24 hours could be helpful in finding the third scum, if only be process of elimination.
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