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On January 03 2015 04:14 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2015 04:11 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Damdred do you really think a 17 page super wordy D1 Dr. H can be scum? I've never played with Dr. H before so I really can't comment on what he would do, however i've seen good scum players get 30 pages+of filters in game. And dr h spent the whole day tunneling one person and almost all of his posts are about that one person and geript then he switched and pushed dirt on people and took none of the blame himself and claims he panic'd. It just leaves me suspicious of him.
He has posted suspicions on Batsnacks as well. I don't think I've ever seen someone be as wordy as Dr.H on D1 and be scum. DarthPunk has managed a 20 page filter on D1, but they were filled with oneliners. Dr.H's filter would be the longest in actual text for any scum I've ever seen here ever. That coupled with the fact that he seems to believe what he's saying and there being a certain line of direction in his thoughts make me feel that spending any time even thinking about him being scum at the moment is a waste of time.
On January 03 2015 04:14 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2015 04:11 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Damdred do you really think a 17 page super wordy D1 Dr. H can be scum? Dude don't interrupt the scumhunters with posting volume arguments. That's really out of place. Post a gif and shush
Don't make me get Promethelax to throw your toys in the pram again Vivax. It's happened before and I can channel it to make it happen again.
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Vivax do you have a read on Ritoky?
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On January 03 2015 04:22 IAmRobik wrote:
Artanis, what does your town list look like? I'm wondering f it is similar to minr
Dr. H
Koshi
JAT (I feel like how he took up 'leadership' during the night was something he wouldn't do as scum on reconsideration)
Palmar
Kelsier
Eden
I'm also liking VE but it's too early to tell.
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On January 03 2015 04:32 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2015 04:28 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On January 03 2015 04:22 IAmRobik wrote:
Artanis, what does your town list look like? I'm wondering f it is similar to minr Dr. H Koshi JAT (I feel like how he took up 'leadership' during the night was something he wouldn't do as scum on reconsideration)Palmar Kelsier Eden I'm also liking VE but it's too early to tell. That is the worst reason to town read JAT i've ever seen, there are other reasons to town read him. But if he rolls scum he picks up the leadership just as fast thats why hes the champ.
I don't think so. He had a strong scumread on Geript. He'd only have a reason to switch to Bats if both him and Geript were scum, and if that were the case I don't think a scum JAT with this much influence would've allowed it to get to the wire like this. I find a scum JAT/Geript team very hard to imagine and thus see no reason for a scum JAT to take charge and avert a Geript lynch last second.
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On January 03 2015 04:39 IAmRobik wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2015 04:28 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On January 03 2015 04:22 IAmRobik wrote:
Artanis, what does your town list look like? I'm wondering f it is similar to minr Dr. H Koshi JAT (I feel like how he took up 'leadership' during the night was something he wouldn't do as scum on reconsideration) Palmar Kelsier Eden I'm also liking VE but it's too early to tell. Man, my list is really different from yours haha I agree with DrH and Eden. I disagree on basically everyone else. Maybe koshi is but his "why can't you just just listen to me" felt forced and un-koshi-like. JAT seemed to spend too much time playing nice with me which bothered me and his explanation wasn't really satisfying. He also quickly turned on me come night phase. Plammmmar tried really hard in one post and didn't do dick for the rest of the day. Kelseir is a huge fucking question mark for me. His posts are really weird. Not sure if scum or I just don't understand what he wants to say
I missed the Koshi post you're referring to. Can you quote it?
JAT is probably town, read above.
Plumber's one post secured a town hero spot for me. He hasn't really been here much otherwise so that's the only thing to judge him on. It was full of good stuff though, his read on Geript had solid reasoning and every opinion he had pretty much resonated with me, especially the one on me.
What I like about Kelsier that I remember is how he questioned me and someone else, I think it was sicklucker but I'm not sure for jumping on Chyz' bandwagon. Then when he asked us both a question he found my answer to be townie and re-evaluated, whereas I think he kept his other suspect. It showed a certain thoroughness I expect from town much more than from scum. He's generally been pretty inquisitive and seems to follow up on it which I like.
Is there anyone you townread that wasn't on my list?
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On January 03 2015 04:43 IAmRobik wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2015 04:37 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On January 03 2015 04:32 Damdred wrote:On January 03 2015 04:28 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On January 03 2015 04:22 IAmRobik wrote:
Artanis, what does your town list look like? I'm wondering f it is similar to minr Dr. H Koshi JAT (I feel like how he took up 'leadership' during the night was something he wouldn't do as scum on reconsideration)Palmar Kelsier Eden I'm also liking VE but it's too early to tell. That is the worst reason to town read JAT i've ever seen, there are other reasons to town read him. But if he rolls scum he picks up the leadership just as fast thats why hes the champ. I don't think so. He had a strong scumread on Geript. He'd only have a reason to switch to Bats if both him and Geript were scum, and if that were the case I don't think a scum JAT with this much influence would've allowed it to get to the wire like this. I find a scum JAT/Geript team very hard to imagine and thus see no reason for a scum JAT to take charge and avert a Geript lynch last second. So I partially agree and partially disagree with this. I do not think that GERIPT and JAT are scum together. I even stated so towards end of day. That's why I didn't feel so bad sheepish jat onto bats. However I do think that JAT can make a case on bats and switch a lynxh off of geript onto bat for town cred. Basically to get you to clear him for what you're clearing him. "If I was mafia, why would I switch from one town to another town that I've been pushing all game". That's basically what I did on a 2p2 game with Yamato a couple months ago. He could be town. I'm just saying why this isn't 100% correct
Sure, it's possible, but the JAT I'm accustomed to is reactive. This was very proactive where it really wasn't necessary. He's been pretty much a universal townread for the town. Buying even more cred could actually be harmful to him later in the game as people will question why he's still alive.
On January 03 2015 04:44 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2015 04:37 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On January 03 2015 04:32 Damdred wrote:On January 03 2015 04:28 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On January 03 2015 04:22 IAmRobik wrote:
Artanis, what does your town list look like? I'm wondering f it is similar to minr Dr. H Koshi JAT (I feel like how he took up 'leadership' during the night was something he wouldn't do as scum on reconsideration)Palmar Kelsier Eden I'm also liking VE but it's too early to tell. That is the worst reason to town read JAT i've ever seen, there are other reasons to town read him. But if he rolls scum he picks up the leadership just as fast thats why hes the champ. I don't think so. He had a strong scumread on Geript. He'd only have a reason to switch to Bats if both him and Geript were scum, and if that were the case I don't think a scum JAT with this much influence would've allowed it to get to the wire like this. I find a scum JAT/Geript team very hard to imagine and thus see no reason for a scum JAT to take charge and avert a Geript lynch last second. I won't argue with you that JAT is probably town here. and it is a good post. So tell me what you think about what i wrote.
You mentioned how without the Chyz stuff his filter would look a lot less wordy, but that seems like a poor argument. He did make those posts and the amount of effort he's put into the game whilst never appearing disgenuine to me makes it so unlikely for him to be scum imo. That he went back on his word for not going for last minute shenanigans is worrisome, but in a completely different league compared to the arguments supporting a town Dr.H.
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On January 03 2015 04:49 IAmRobik wrote:
@artanis, nope not really. Maybe Dandred. I had to look back at the player list. Everyone has been fairly scummy. Obv I think you're town too Game is hard, only 4 town vs 10 mafia.
I can get behind Damdred I guess, with some reservations. His suspects are kinda weird but he does seem to be prodding quite nicely and is pretty paranoid.
I just hope you, Marv and Luigi come out to play on D2.
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On January 03 2015 04:46 IAmRobik wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2015 04:45 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On January 03 2015 04:39 IAmRobik wrote:On January 03 2015 04:28 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On January 03 2015 04:22 IAmRobik wrote:
Artanis, what does your town list look like? I'm wondering f it is similar to minr Dr. H Koshi JAT (I feel like how he took up 'leadership' during the night was something he wouldn't do as scum on reconsideration) Palmar Kelsier Eden I'm also liking VE but it's too early to tell. Man, my list is really different from yours haha I agree with DrH and Eden. I disagree on basically everyone else. Maybe koshi is but his "why can't you just just listen to me" felt forced and un-koshi-like. JAT seemed to spend too much time playing nice with me which bothered me and his explanation wasn't really satisfying. He also quickly turned on me come night phase. Plammmmar tried really hard in one post and didn't do dick for the rest of the day. Kelseir is a huge fucking question mark for me. His posts are really weird. Not sure if scum or I just don't understand what he wants to say I missed the Koshi post you're referring to. Can you quote it? JAT is probably town, read above. Plumber's one post secured a town hero spot for me. He hasn't really been here much otherwise so that's the only thing to judge him on. It was full of good stuff though, his read on Geript had solid reasoning and every opinion he had pretty much resonated with me, especially the one on me. What I like about Kelsier that I remember is how he questioned me and someone else, I think it was sicklucker but I'm not sure for jumping on Chyz' bandwagon. Then when he asked us both a question he found my answer to be townie and re-evaluated, whereas I think he kept his other suspect. It showed a certain thoroughness I expect from town much more than from scum. He's generally been pretty inquisitive and seems to follow up on it which I like. Is there anyone you townread that wasn't on my list? It's not a single post-it's the entire outburst regarding not lunching vivax, whose alignment he can't know 100%
I can see Koshi getting a bit overexcited over lunching Vivax. He was pretty passionate about it and I don't consider it scummy at all.
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On January 03 2015 05:03 IAmRobik wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2015 04:57 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On January 03 2015 04:49 IAmRobik wrote:
@artanis, nope not really. Maybe Dandred. I had to look back at the player list. Everyone has been fairly scummy. Obv I think you're town too Game is hard, only 4 town vs 10 mafia. I can get behind Damdred I guess, with some reservations. His suspects are kinda weird but he does seem to be prodding quite nicely and is pretty paranoid. I just hope you, Marv and Luigi come out to play on D2. I think that even though my filter size was lacking, I still managed to give decent substantiated reads d1. Basically what you are saying about DrHamd what others are saying about him is something I articulated early on into the game. I don't recall all the reads I gave but I think they've been decently solid. I also think (wifom) that I wouldn't be as self-aware as I am regarding my play. I stated that I was more nervous of people TRing me than scum reading me because I think the people who are scum reading me are probably analyzing and thinking about the game more clearly than those who are TRing me. I am town, but the people giving me town reads are more likely doing it based off of TMI
If you feel you've given substantiated reads, why do you think people townreading you are more likely to be scum than people scum reading you?
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On January 03 2015 05:16 IAmRobik wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2015 05:10 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On January 03 2015 05:03 IAmRobik wrote:On January 03 2015 04:57 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On January 03 2015 04:49 IAmRobik wrote:
@artanis, nope not really. Maybe Dandred. I had to look back at the player list. Everyone has been fairly scummy. Obv I think you're town too Game is hard, only 4 town vs 10 mafia. I can get behind Damdred I guess, with some reservations. His suspects are kinda weird but he does seem to be prodding quite nicely and is pretty paranoid. I just hope you, Marv and Luigi come out to play on D2. I think that even though my filter size was lacking, I still managed to give decent substantiated reads d1. Basically what you are saying about DrHamd what others are saying about him is something I articulated early on into the game. I don't recall all the reads I gave but I think they've been decently solid. I also think (wifom) that I wouldn't be as self-aware as I am regarding my play. I stated that I was more nervous of people TRing me than scum reading me because I think the people who are scum reading me are probably analyzing and thinking about the game more clearly than those who are TRing me. I am town, but the people giving me town reads are more likely doing it based off of TMI If you feel you've given substantiated reads, why do you think people townreading you are more likely to be scum than people scum reading you? They were town reading me before that for not playing.
Ah okay, that's fair.
On January 03 2015 05:16 Koshi wrote:
Vivax
Lynch Robik and geript after that.
Why do you want to lynch Robik?
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Plenty of decent arguments on SL but I think sicklucker's reasoning for voting with his townreads is fine. I can understand it. I've been in plenty of situations near crunch time where I was doubting a lot myself. Hell, even Dr.H switched from his strongest reads to Bats. Feels like a double standard.
I find it weird how Palmar/Robik/Vivax all jumped on JAT at pretty much the same time. I have a retarded theory about that that I can only share post-night. Agreed with Marv that especially Vivax' case was reaching. Palmar's feels genuine. I remember him making a post about making no shenannies at night. Unfortunately, I'm a bad boy.
On January 03 2015 06:11 IAmRobik wrote:
I think I'd lynxh te shit out of kelsersc. I'd also look into sickly jet for clearing me for my vote. My vote looks really bad if geript is scum
On January 03 2015 06:14 IAmRobik wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2015 06:11 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
expand on that kelsier read please I forget. It was something I read recently.
Did you recover your memory yet? I saw you say something about a TMI accusation on Eden but it hasn't really been fleshed out as far as I can see.
What the fuck is Vivax doing this game
On January 03 2015 06:28 sicklucker wrote:
Like this game is actually madness. My only decent town reads left are like marv and robik and now they want to kill each other.
Explain your townread on marv please. What did he do to put himself on top of all those other names?
On January 03 2015 07:18 Eden1892 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2015 06:59 sicklucker wrote:
Who made that list post on the people who wasted their votes? because that was really good. Was that ritoky or eden? That was me. Hidden behind double quotes for readability: Show nested quote +On January 02 2015 15:58 Eden1892 wrote:Alright, here's some vote count analysis. First, the count, hidden behind double quotes for readability. Added green for batsnacks' flip. On January 02 2015 13:56 Fecalfeast wrote:I kount vot ritoky (1): DoctorHelvetica, sicklucker, marvellosity, Superbia TheChyz (3): Eden1892, DoctorHelvetica, Vivax, TheChyz, Batsnacks, DoctorHelvetica, Artanis[Xp]DoctorHelvetica (0): TheChyz, Koshigeript (4): Koshi, Artanis[Xp], Palmar, Artanis[XP], Lazermonkey, DoctorHelvetica, Marvellosity, justanothertownie, KelsierSC, sicklucker, Eden1892marvellosity (0): Artanis[Xp]Lazermonkey (0): TheChyz, BatsnacksIAmRobik (0): Artanis[XP]sicklucker (1): ritoky Vivax (2): Koshi, geript Batsnacks (6): Justanothertownie, eden1892, doctorhelvetica, artanis[Xp], damdred, sicklucker Not Voting: folks Currently batsnacks is set to be lynched.
until deadline. First thing I want to look at is outliers, because I think they tend to be easier to figure out. The three wagons at end of day were Chyz, geript and batsnacks, so all other voters are defined as outliers here. They are: Superbia ritoky Koshi geript Additionally the nonvoting RebirthOfLegend can go here. Superbia: Has all of two posts in the game, neither of any substance. Says ritoky claimed mafia with their big reads post without explaining why, votes ritoky and then bails for the rest of the day, not bothering to convince anyone to vote for ritoky. Ignores JAT asking for an explanation, no one else really seems to care either way. I don't like this. For all I can derive from Superbia's thought process from this vote, this might as well be a dice roll vote. There's nothing here for me to make any sense of. If Superbia is town and believes ritoky is mafia then why not try to convince anyone to kill ritoky? And if Superbia doesn't then why completely abandon the thread and not bother to try to figure out who is mafia? ritoky: After the vote (which came between his big reads list post and his next post itt), ritoky only brings up the case on sicklucker once... when sicklucker questions him on it. Spends most of the day being engaged in other discussions and feeling out other players for their direction, but doesn't push the case on sicklucker. And it's not even not pushing it because of a change of heart or anything, as far as I can see. The case is just dropped altogether without any mention, like it never existed. After talking to sicklucker there's only one passing reference to the suspicion at all (responding to GlowingBear and saying they were "on the same page" concerning, among others, sicklucker). This is really suspicious considering how aggressively ritoky pushed early in the game. Even allowing for a change in posting style due to time constraints resulting from ER work, you figure that if ritoky is still sure about the read on sicklucker that there'd be some effort to push it. And ritoky can't even claim to have had a change of heart, because sometime during ritoky's last burst of activity, (s)he posted an updated vote count including the vote for sicklucker. I feel like if I were a townie here and I had posted that vote count update after suspecting sicklucker, and I had internally changed my mind about sicklucker being mafia, posting that I was voting for sicklucker would be a wakeup call. Like "whoa, wait, I'm still on that guy? I need to move my vote." Koshi: Arrived at suspicion of Vivax about an hour before posting a vote, pressed Vivax on a few key questions during that hour, pushed the hell out of a Vivax lynch before going to bed at a time which 100% syncs up with his irl location. Sorry that was short but this looks clean as can be. Only reason Koshi was on an outlier was because of a lack of time to push the case once it formulated. Koshi is probably town. geript: On January 02 2015 14:24 geript wrote:
Not ideal. I just assumed I was going to be lynched or at worst Chyz. Best option Vivax. I get why Bat was sketch, but why the last second switch? This is garbage. Vivax wasn't a viable wagon at all when geript posted and geript had enough time to see that. It was 20 minutes before the lynch. The switch wasn't even last-second, it was last-hour. At the time he voted Chyz was in no danger of being voted off. How do you check in to a voting thread and vote for someone who isn't a viable wagon out of fear that either you or someone else who isn't a viable wagon is going to get killed? And especially if you "get why Bat was sketch," how in the world do you have a hangup about voting for him and instead park on an outlier? And then there's this gem shortly before: On January 02 2015 12:23 geript wrote:
Vivax is probably an ok lynch but I'm not actually sold that he'll flip mafia. So now it's checking into a voting thread, voting for someone you're not even sure is mafia who also isn't a viable wagon out of fear that either you or someone else who isn't a viable wagon is going to get killed. geript has a lot of explaining to do. Doc asks a good question about why mafia!geript does this in light of batsnacks flipping town; I feel like the answer that came to mind for me (not wanting to be a town wagon) isn't a very good one, and it's still the best one I have. But I don't get the townie mindset that leads to ^^^that. TL;DR ritoky, Superbia mafia geript wtf Anyway, I don't think geript answered this (not hiding for readability): Show nested quote +On January 02 2015 15:58 Eden1892 wrote:geript: On January 02 2015 14:24 geript wrote:
Not ideal. I just assumed I was going to be lynched or at worst Chyz. Best option Vivax. I get why Bat was sketch, but why the last second switch? This is garbage. Vivax wasn't a viable wagon at all when geript posted and geript had enough time to see that. It was 20 minutes before the lynch. The switch wasn't even last-second, it was last-hour. At the time he voted Chyz was in no danger of being voted off. How do you check in to a voting thread and vote for someone who isn't a viable wagon out of fear that either you or someone else who isn't a viable wagon is going to get killed? And especially if you "get why Bat was sketch," how in the world do you have a hangup about voting for him and instead park on an outlier? And then there's this gem shortly before: On January 02 2015 12:23 geript wrote:
Vivax is probably an ok lynch but I'm not actually sold that he'll flip mafia. So now it's checking into a voting thread, voting for someone you're not even sure is mafia who also isn't a viable wagon out of fear that either you or someone else who isn't a viable wagon is going to get killed. geript has a lot of explaining to do. Doc asks a good question about why mafia!geript does this in light of batsnacks flipping town; I feel like the answer that came to mind for me (not wanting to be a town wagon) isn't a very good one, and it's still the best one I have. But I don't get the townie mindset that leads to ^^^that. So can anyone else explain how this makes sense from... any POV? His explanation is obviously BS to me and I feel like he has to be mafia because I can't see why a townie would do that. I was reading the thread some at work and I think I'm on top of things, but it's possible I missed something. Did Superbia ever say anything that mattered? I saw ritoky did. I think I want to kill Superbia and/or geript today. I also think sicklucker's recent posts are rather suspicious but I don't want to kill him because he's adorable. Everything he posts makes me want to hug him and say "Bless your heart boy" and reach for a swig of sweet tea while sitting in my rocking chair on my front porch. I admit this is atrocious reasoning and will probably be talked out of it if sicklucker is the kill tomorrow but can we keep him? please???
Is there a reason for scum Geript not wanting to lynch Bats though? It's just weird, not alignment indicative.
On January 03 2015 07:48 GlowingBear wrote:
Registering: I don't like Artanis because at page 24 he gives a town lean to DrH because "people with a critical mass of words tend to be town" is completely shit. Also, I'm amazed that TheChyz opening caused so much controversy when there's nothing wrong with his opening, while DrH has the worst opening I have seen since I started playing.
It's just plain ridiculous.
Check previous games. Townreading people for being wordy and having long filters is perfectly fine. Ask Marv or other vets. This is a terrible reason to scumread me. There's only a few players for whom this is false like DarthPunk.
On January 03 2015 08:53 Eden1892 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2015 08:50 KelsierSC wrote:
Eden you made this giant post on bats with 3 reasons for calling him scum. I think your second case is good because I made it.
My question is this. If you have 3 reasons for calling bats scum right at the deadline why didn't you bother to read him or make a case on him earlier.
It feels like TMI Someone else brought him up as a possible kill when there was roughly an hour or so left. I want to say Artanis without looking, but I don't know. I don't remember remembering anything batsnacks had done to that point, and I remember saying I would read batsnacks instead of someone else (I think Lazermonkey and Vivax?). I read his filter, examined the context of the posts I thought were important and made the case in a larger post. I certainly wouldn't call it "right at the deadline," I think I made it with about 50 minutes left in the day, with at least a half-dozen people online to see it. Close, but not so close that people didn't have time to evaluate it for themselves. I have to admit I don't really understand where your question is going.
JAT brought Batsnacks up initially. I reminded him of it and told him I might be willing to when I felt both Geript and TheChyz were becoming unwanted lynches.
Going forward I'm part of team Koshi and would like to see Vivax hang. Going after JAT and Eden, two of my strongest townreads whilst grasping at straws feels really off. I also didn't like how he conveniently had to go to bed after I tried to talk to him about Geript, and Koshi's stuff with Vivax lying about not having caught up. The biggest problem I have though is that nothing of what he's doing seems to make sense. The random list post, the catching up without catching up and spending the time he does have before the lynch pretty wastefully, and then the attack on JAT/Eden rather than spend time on the people other people actually consider scum, especially when you haven't been caught up yet is pretty iffy.
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On January 03 2015 11:29 IAmRobik wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2015 11:28 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On January 03 2015 11:26 IAmRobik wrote:On January 03 2015 06:19 sicklucker wrote:
Name a few people who should be checked. This is an interesting question and one of the only reasons I'm not jumping on the "lets kill SL immediately" train Why Cause it's an interesting question which I thought about posing earlier and it shows that he's thinking about the game and that he might be the cop -.-
I thought of it too but I think the cop is pretty useless until millers and the framer start dying. It feels more like pointless filler at this point.
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SL I have no issues with the switch but I'm curious why you put Marv up in your top town list with Palmar over your previous strong townreads. What'd Marv do before that post that made you read him as strong town?
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On January 03 2015 11:41 Lazermonkey wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2015 11:30 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Plenty of decent arguments on SL but I think sicklucker's reasoning for voting with his townreads is fine. I can understand it. I've been in plenty of situations near crunch time where I was doubting a lot myself. Hell, even Dr.H switched from his strongest reads to Bats. Feels like a double standard. Yhea, but the argument is not that he was voting with his townreads but how he did it. He went from being SUUUPER confident in his geript read to voting batsnacks solely based on the fact that 4 of his town reads did that. DH on the other hand, was clearly suspicious of batsnacks long before he actually voted him. He clearly states what he disliked about batsnacks at all times as well. I really don't think this comparison is very good.
I've done something similar once. I tunneled Vivax for a while, Vivax tunneled me and eventually I started reading Vivax strongly as town. Then Promethelax came along and made an emotional appeal on me. I hammered Vivax.
People can be influenced even from their strongest reads. Though Dr.H was suspicious of Bats, he clearly favoured a Chyz or Geript lynch as well.
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On January 03 2015 11:42 sicklucker wrote:
I town read marv because he was the first person to understand me voting my 4 town reads is not that scummy.
My first game I subbed in day 2 and was in final 3 with subia and some donkey who voted me all game. While not a total lurker sub tacticly checked out of the game at convient times. No idea what hes doing here hes probably medic actually.
This is way too much lurk even for him.
Why do you think that Marv opposing that point on you makes him town?
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On January 03 2015 11:57 Lazermonkey wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2015 11:49 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On January 03 2015 11:41 Lazermonkey wrote:On January 03 2015 11:30 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Plenty of decent arguments on SL but I think sicklucker's reasoning for voting with his townreads is fine. I can understand it. I've been in plenty of situations near crunch time where I was doubting a lot myself. Hell, even Dr.H switched from his strongest reads to Bats. Feels like a double standard. Yhea, but the argument is not that he was voting with his townreads but how he did it. He went from being SUUUPER confident in his geript read to voting batsnacks solely based on the fact that 4 of his town reads did that. DH on the other hand, was clearly suspicious of batsnacks long before he actually voted him. He clearly states what he disliked about batsnacks at all times as well. I really don't think this comparison is very good. I've done something similar once. I tunneled Vivax for a while, Vivax tunneled me and eventually I started reading Vivax strongly as town. Then Promethelax came along and made an emotional appeal on me. I hammered Vivax. People can be influenced even from their strongest reads. Though Dr.H was suspicious of Bats, he clearly favoured a Chyz or Geript lynch as well. Yes but there is a clear difference between going from voting your top scum read to voting your second or third scum read to voting your top scum read to voting someone you didn't even have a read on at all.
Of course, but I still find it understandable. In my example I even had a townread on Vivax.
I was town.
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On January 04 2015 02:00 justanothertownie wrote:
I can't believe a town Vivax would not reconsider his read on me after how many people told him what a piece of crap it is. Like Koshi is confirmed town now for example.
I think at this point Vivax is just talking to keep discussion on him for the entire day.
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Vivax is starting to make sense.
Kelsier why don't you want to lynch Robik?
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On January 04 2015 03:20 KelsierSC wrote:
Ty slam can you post the vote on bats ty
Not slam but I can!
On January 02 2015 14:02 Alakaslam wrote:I kount vot and stahp it ritoky (1): DoctorHelvetica, sicklucker, marvellosity, Superbia TheChyz (2): Eden1892, DoctorHelvetica, Vivax, TheChyz, Batsnacks, DoctorHelvetica, Artanis[Xp]DoctorHelvetica (0): TheChyz, Koshigeript (6): Koshi, Artanis[Xp], Palmar, Artanis[XP], Lazermonkey, DoctorHelvetica, Marvellosity, KelsierSC, justanothertownie, KelsierSC, [s]sicklucker[s/], [s]Eden1892[s/], batsnacks marvellosity (0): Artanis[Xp]Lazermonkey (0): TheChyz, BatsnacksIAmRobik (0): Artanis[XP]sicklucker (1): ritoky Vivax (3): Koshi, geript, Glowingbear Batsnacks (7): Justanothertownie, Eden1892, DoctorHelvetica, Artanis[XP], Damdred, sicklucker, IAmRobik Not Voting: folks batsnacks is lynched.
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