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On January 13 2015 06:34 marvellosity wrote:
any mafia grouping is "definitely possible" then.
well whatever.
False, any mafia team with me in it is 100% impossible.
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On January 13 2015 06:49 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2015 06:28 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Palmar why did the JAT post make me town? Because it looked like you really wanted to lynch Superbia even with the joking framework. Like exactly the opposite of what a bus would (probably) look like. Basically if Superbia gets lynched and this is your vote post, you can claim very little credit compared to if you made a case you already knew was right.
You could make the argument that due to my post barely being about Superbia itself, the push didn't have much weight and thus wouldn't contribute to actually getting him lynched. I find it weird you townread me on this.
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Damdred, could you please be less... vague?
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Could you indicate what exactly gives you pause about LM though?
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On January 13 2015 08:25 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2015 08:23 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Could you indicate what exactly gives you pause about LM though? He actually worked during autolynch day. Pushed his thoughts when he didn't have to, looked townie doing it.
How do you feel his play is today?
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On January 13 2015 08:31 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2015 08:28 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On January 13 2015 08:25 Damdred wrote:On January 13 2015 08:23 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Could you indicate what exactly gives you pause about LM though? He actually worked during autolynch day. Pushed his thoughts when he didn't have to, looked townie doing it. How do you feel his play is today? Its in the same vein of play, he acted scummy early and a good bit even right after the super lynch. But he is acting town re-evaluating his reads and relooking at the game. He seems focused on GB which is null but hes going about it in a good way i think.
So you feel he's played a poor D1-3 but a good D4-5, yet you still view him as "very probable mafia". Why?
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On January 13 2015 08:39 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2015 08:32 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On January 13 2015 08:31 Damdred wrote:On January 13 2015 08:28 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On January 13 2015 08:25 Damdred wrote:On January 13 2015 08:23 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Could you indicate what exactly gives you pause about LM though? He actually worked during autolynch day. Pushed his thoughts when he didn't have to, looked townie doing it. How do you feel his play is today? Its in the same vein of play, he acted scummy early and a good bit even right after the super lynch. But he is acting town re-evaluating his reads and relooking at the game. He seems focused on GB which is null but hes going about it in a good way i think. So you feel he's played a poor D1-3 but a good D4-5, yet you still view him as "very probable mafia". Why? I think the case on him is still pretty good, and his vote is a possible bus to get town cred. You can still have good days and be mafia I think
I just want to know why it seems you haven't been re-evaluating despite mentioning how he's had good days. It suggests a real ironclad certainty on your initial read, but if that's true then you should be able to tell us why he's still scum despite his recent posts.
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On January 13 2015 08:44 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2015 08:41 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On January 13 2015 08:39 Damdred wrote:On January 13 2015 08:32 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On January 13 2015 08:31 Damdred wrote:On January 13 2015 08:28 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On January 13 2015 08:25 Damdred wrote:On January 13 2015 08:23 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Could you indicate what exactly gives you pause about LM though? He actually worked during autolynch day. Pushed his thoughts when he didn't have to, looked townie doing it. How do you feel his play is today? Its in the same vein of play, he acted scummy early and a good bit even right after the super lynch. But he is acting town re-evaluating his reads and relooking at the game. He seems focused on GB which is null but hes going about it in a good way i think. So you feel he's played a poor D1-3 but a good D4-5, yet you still view him as "very probable mafia". Why? I think the case on him is still pretty good, and his vote is a possible bus to get town cred. You can still have good days and be mafia I think I just want to know why it seems you haven't been re-evaluating despite mentioning how he's had good days. It suggests a real ironclad certainty on your initial read, but if that's true then you should be able to tell us why he's still scum despite his recent posts. I'm not sure exactly where you are coming from saying I haven't re-evaluated when I clearly am. Yesterday was a good day and hes doing ok today, and I have to weight early stuff with what hes doing now. And I still think the early stuff is damning
I've noticed three things:
1. You felt LM was scummy throughout the game, yet not scummy enough to warrant pushing over Superbia at the time.
2. LM has started acting considerably more townie since.
3. You still really want to kill LM.
This suggests you either had a really strong scumread on both Superbia and LM in which case you've pushed it kind of meekly, you feel that LM's recent days haven't actually been that strong, you haven't properly re-evaluated or you're bullshitting. I'd like to know what I'm doing wrong in this evaluation to you.
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On January 13 2015 08:58 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2015 08:47 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On January 13 2015 08:44 Damdred wrote:On January 13 2015 08:41 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On January 13 2015 08:39 Damdred wrote:On January 13 2015 08:32 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On January 13 2015 08:31 Damdred wrote:On January 13 2015 08:28 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On January 13 2015 08:25 Damdred wrote:On January 13 2015 08:23 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Could you indicate what exactly gives you pause about LM though? He actually worked during autolynch day. Pushed his thoughts when he didn't have to, looked townie doing it. How do you feel his play is today? Its in the same vein of play, he acted scummy early and a good bit even right after the super lynch. But he is acting town re-evaluating his reads and relooking at the game. He seems focused on GB which is null but hes going about it in a good way i think. So you feel he's played a poor D1-3 but a good D4-5, yet you still view him as "very probable mafia". Why? I think the case on him is still pretty good, and his vote is a possible bus to get town cred. You can still have good days and be mafia I think I just want to know why it seems you haven't been re-evaluating despite mentioning how he's had good days. It suggests a real ironclad certainty on your initial read, but if that's true then you should be able to tell us why he's still scum despite his recent posts. I'm not sure exactly where you are coming from saying I haven't re-evaluated when I clearly am. Yesterday was a good day and hes doing ok today, and I have to weight early stuff with what hes doing now. And I still think the early stuff is damning I've noticed three things: 1. You felt LM was scummy throughout the game, yet not scummy enough to warrant pushing over Superbia at the time. 2. LM has started acting considerably more townie since. 3. You still really want to kill LM. This suggests you either had a really strong scumread on both Superbia and LM in which case you've pushed it kind of meekly, you feel that LM's recent days haven't actually been that strong, you haven't properly re-evaluated or you're bullshitting. I'd like to know what I'm doing wrong in this evaluation to you. 1) One of the things that I got called out for a lot early was that meta analysis that I did on superbia. All of a sudden Super starts acting the way that the scum meta goes and i jump on it. I thought Super was the scummiest person in the game after he came back to the thread in day two and I started to push him and make cases. After the flip I started pushing LM for what I think is a bus for town cred. 2) Does mafia never act like town? Short bursts of thought don't automatically make you town. 3) I do want to kill LM I'm not sure how you can call my push on super meek? Especially when i'm begging people d2 to get on mafia!Super.
If you were as sure of LM and Superbia as you seem to be I don't understand why you weren't basically harassing everyone to tell them to vote for them. Yes, at some points you asked people but the certainty you project is different.
I also don't understand how you can call someone's days good and still call them scum confidently. If LM is scum, I want to see how his recent posting still fits in that profile, because if he's scum there will be leads.
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On January 13 2015 09:13 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2015 09:03 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On January 13 2015 08:58 Damdred wrote:On January 13 2015 08:47 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On January 13 2015 08:44 Damdred wrote:On January 13 2015 08:41 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On January 13 2015 08:39 Damdred wrote:On January 13 2015 08:32 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On January 13 2015 08:31 Damdred wrote:On January 13 2015 08:28 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
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How do you feel his play is today? Its in the same vein of play, he acted scummy early and a good bit even right after the super lynch. But he is acting town re-evaluating his reads and relooking at the game. He seems focused on GB which is null but hes going about it in a good way i think. So you feel he's played a poor D1-3 but a good D4-5, yet you still view him as "very probable mafia". Why? I think the case on him is still pretty good, and his vote is a possible bus to get town cred. You can still have good days and be mafia I think I just want to know why it seems you haven't been re-evaluating despite mentioning how he's had good days. It suggests a real ironclad certainty on your initial read, but if that's true then you should be able to tell us why he's still scum despite his recent posts. I'm not sure exactly where you are coming from saying I haven't re-evaluated when I clearly am. Yesterday was a good day and hes doing ok today, and I have to weight early stuff with what hes doing now. And I still think the early stuff is damning I've noticed three things: 1. You felt LM was scummy throughout the game, yet not scummy enough to warrant pushing over Superbia at the time. 2. LM has started acting considerably more townie since. 3. You still really want to kill LM. This suggests you either had a really strong scumread on both Superbia and LM in which case you've pushed it kind of meekly, you feel that LM's recent days haven't actually been that strong, you haven't properly re-evaluated or you're bullshitting. I'd like to know what I'm doing wrong in this evaluation to you. 1) One of the things that I got called out for a lot early was that meta analysis that I did on superbia. All of a sudden Super starts acting the way that the scum meta goes and i jump on it. I thought Super was the scummiest person in the game after he came back to the thread in day two and I started to push him and make cases. After the flip I started pushing LM for what I think is a bus for town cred. 2) Does mafia never act like town? Short bursts of thought don't automatically make you town. 3) I do want to kill LM I'm not sure how you can call my push on super meek? Especially when i'm begging people d2 to get on mafia!Super. If you were as sure of LM and Superbia as you seem to be I don't understand why you weren't basically harassing everyone to tell them to vote for them. Yes, at some points you asked people but the certainty you project is different. I also don't understand how you can call someone's days good and still call them scum confidently. If LM is scum, I want to see how his recent posting still fits in that profile, because if he's scum there will be leads. Having good or bad days is not alignment indicative. Geript had bad days and he was town for example. HF as another example has amazing days as mafia but hes still mafia. Does good days make someone town? Especially when its preceded with poor play? Or what about starting good and falling off ala vivax in his mafia games? The answer is no, they are mafia independent of selective periods of time obviously. Also super went to his scum meta which i was familiar with, and made promises etc., so of course im going to yell to get people their especially EoD. But we are far from that and there's information to gather and things to consider
Wait, so you mean when you say that someone has a good day you don't mean that they're looking townier but rather that they're making good points which apparently to you aren't alignment indicative?
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On January 13 2015 09:30 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2015 09:20 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On January 13 2015 09:13 Damdred wrote:On January 13 2015 09:03 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On January 13 2015 08:58 Damdred wrote:On January 13 2015 08:47 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On January 13 2015 08:44 Damdred wrote:On January 13 2015 08:41 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On January 13 2015 08:39 Damdred wrote:On January 13 2015 08:32 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
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So you feel he's played a poor D1-3 but a good D4-5, yet you still view him as "very probable mafia". Why? I think the case on him is still pretty good, and his vote is a possible bus to get town cred. You can still have good days and be mafia I think I just want to know why it seems you haven't been re-evaluating despite mentioning how he's had good days. It suggests a real ironclad certainty on your initial read, but if that's true then you should be able to tell us why he's still scum despite his recent posts. I'm not sure exactly where you are coming from saying I haven't re-evaluated when I clearly am. Yesterday was a good day and hes doing ok today, and I have to weight early stuff with what hes doing now. And I still think the early stuff is damning I've noticed three things: 1. You felt LM was scummy throughout the game, yet not scummy enough to warrant pushing over Superbia at the time. 2. LM has started acting considerably more townie since. 3. You still really want to kill LM. This suggests you either had a really strong scumread on both Superbia and LM in which case you've pushed it kind of meekly, you feel that LM's recent days haven't actually been that strong, you haven't properly re-evaluated or you're bullshitting. I'd like to know what I'm doing wrong in this evaluation to you. 1) One of the things that I got called out for a lot early was that meta analysis that I did on superbia. All of a sudden Super starts acting the way that the scum meta goes and i jump on it. I thought Super was the scummiest person in the game after he came back to the thread in day two and I started to push him and make cases. After the flip I started pushing LM for what I think is a bus for town cred. 2) Does mafia never act like town? Short bursts of thought don't automatically make you town. 3) I do want to kill LM I'm not sure how you can call my push on super meek? Especially when i'm begging people d2 to get on mafia!Super. If you were as sure of LM and Superbia as you seem to be I don't understand why you weren't basically harassing everyone to tell them to vote for them. Yes, at some points you asked people but the certainty you project is different. I also don't understand how you can call someone's days good and still call them scum confidently. If LM is scum, I want to see how his recent posting still fits in that profile, because if he's scum there will be leads. Having good or bad days is not alignment indicative. Geript had bad days and he was town for example. HF as another example has amazing days as mafia but hes still mafia. Does good days make someone town? Especially when its preceded with poor play? Or what about starting good and falling off ala vivax in his mafia games? The answer is no, they are mafia independent of selective periods of time obviously. Also super went to his scum meta which i was familiar with, and made promises etc., so of course im going to yell to get people their especially EoD. But we are far from that and there's information to gather and things to consider Wait, so you mean when you say that someone has a good day you don't mean that they're looking townier but rather that they're making good points which apparently to you aren't alignment indicative? Can mafia look towny and make good points?
If [alignment unknown] that we believe is mafia makes good points, should we not re-evaluate them?
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On January 13 2015 09:28 Chezinu wrote:
14; Vivax - just say hi ... plz?
2; GlowingBear - easy for mafia to paint scum
5; Lazermonkey - Have you ever been town before?
6; Marvellosity - demands colors
11; Damdred - Who are you?
9; TheChez - totes the bank
4; Artanis[Xp] - bestest friend cause he said hey
10; Palmar - PAAAALMMARR!!!!
15; KelsierSC - stays alive cause what he did to super!
13; sicklucker - Well, he decided to jump on friend wagon.. so you can live for now.
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/0L1KPmc.gif)
What did Kelsier do to Super? Please refresh my memory Chezfriend.
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On January 13 2015 09:44 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2015 09:33 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On January 13 2015 09:30 Damdred wrote:On January 13 2015 09:20 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On January 13 2015 09:13 Damdred wrote:On January 13 2015 09:03 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On January 13 2015 08:58 Damdred wrote:On January 13 2015 08:47 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On January 13 2015 08:44 Damdred wrote:On January 13 2015 08:41 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
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I just want to know why it seems you haven't been re-evaluating despite mentioning how he's had good days. It suggests a real ironclad certainty on your initial read, but if that's true then you should be able to tell us why he's still scum despite his recent posts. I'm not sure exactly where you are coming from saying I haven't re-evaluated when I clearly am. Yesterday was a good day and hes doing ok today, and I have to weight early stuff with what hes doing now. And I still think the early stuff is damning I've noticed three things: 1. You felt LM was scummy throughout the game, yet not scummy enough to warrant pushing over Superbia at the time. 2. LM has started acting considerably more townie since. 3. You still really want to kill LM. This suggests you either had a really strong scumread on both Superbia and LM in which case you've pushed it kind of meekly, you feel that LM's recent days haven't actually been that strong, you haven't properly re-evaluated or you're bullshitting. I'd like to know what I'm doing wrong in this evaluation to you. 1) One of the things that I got called out for a lot early was that meta analysis that I did on superbia. All of a sudden Super starts acting the way that the scum meta goes and i jump on it. I thought Super was the scummiest person in the game after he came back to the thread in day two and I started to push him and make cases. After the flip I started pushing LM for what I think is a bus for town cred. 2) Does mafia never act like town? Short bursts of thought don't automatically make you town. 3) I do want to kill LM I'm not sure how you can call my push on super meek? Especially when i'm begging people d2 to get on mafia!Super. If you were as sure of LM and Superbia as you seem to be I don't understand why you weren't basically harassing everyone to tell them to vote for them. Yes, at some points you asked people but the certainty you project is different. I also don't understand how you can call someone's days good and still call them scum confidently. If LM is scum, I want to see how his recent posting still fits in that profile, because if he's scum there will be leads. Having good or bad days is not alignment indicative. Geript had bad days and he was town for example. HF as another example has amazing days as mafia but hes still mafia. Does good days make someone town? Especially when its preceded with poor play? Or what about starting good and falling off ala vivax in his mafia games? The answer is no, they are mafia independent of selective periods of time obviously. Also super went to his scum meta which i was familiar with, and made promises etc., so of course im going to yell to get people their especially EoD. But we are far from that and there's information to gather and things to consider Wait, so you mean when you say that someone has a good day you don't mean that they're looking townier but rather that they're making good points which apparently to you aren't alignment indicative? Can mafia look towny and make good points? If [alignment unknown] that we believe is mafia makes good points, should we not re-evaluate them? Of course we should re-evaluate them every day. Which is why i said i'm shaky on LM right now, but in my mind I still have him as mafia. And sadly palmar went away after i answered him and we got on this stream
It's just that I don't see your re-evaluation of LM in the thread. I don't see you engaging him. You've asked him one question since he's started to act, as you say it, better.
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On January 13 2015 09:52 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2015 09:50 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On January 13 2015 09:44 Damdred wrote:On January 13 2015 09:33 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On January 13 2015 09:30 Damdred wrote:On January 13 2015 09:20 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On January 13 2015 09:13 Damdred wrote:On January 13 2015 09:03 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On January 13 2015 08:58 Damdred wrote:On January 13 2015 08:47 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
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I've noticed three things:
1. You felt LM was scummy throughout the game, yet not scummy enough to warrant pushing over Superbia at the time.
2. LM has started acting considerably more townie since.
3. You still really want to kill LM.
This suggests you either had a really strong scumread on both Superbia and LM in which case you've pushed it kind of meekly, you feel that LM's recent days haven't actually been that strong, you haven't properly re-evaluated or you're bullshitting. I'd like to know what I'm doing wrong in this evaluation to you. 1) One of the things that I got called out for a lot early was that meta analysis that I did on superbia. All of a sudden Super starts acting the way that the scum meta goes and i jump on it. I thought Super was the scummiest person in the game after he came back to the thread in day two and I started to push him and make cases. After the flip I started pushing LM for what I think is a bus for town cred. 2) Does mafia never act like town? Short bursts of thought don't automatically make you town. 3) I do want to kill LM I'm not sure how you can call my push on super meek? Especially when i'm begging people d2 to get on mafia!Super. If you were as sure of LM and Superbia as you seem to be I don't understand why you weren't basically harassing everyone to tell them to vote for them. Yes, at some points you asked people but the certainty you project is different. I also don't understand how you can call someone's days good and still call them scum confidently. If LM is scum, I want to see how his recent posting still fits in that profile, because if he's scum there will be leads. Having good or bad days is not alignment indicative. Geript had bad days and he was town for example. HF as another example has amazing days as mafia but hes still mafia. Does good days make someone town? Especially when its preceded with poor play? Or what about starting good and falling off ala vivax in his mafia games? The answer is no, they are mafia independent of selective periods of time obviously. Also super went to his scum meta which i was familiar with, and made promises etc., so of course im going to yell to get people their especially EoD. But we are far from that and there's information to gather and things to consider Wait, so you mean when you say that someone has a good day you don't mean that they're looking townier but rather that they're making good points which apparently to you aren't alignment indicative? Can mafia look towny and make good points? If [alignment unknown] that we believe is mafia makes good points, should we not re-evaluate them? Of course we should re-evaluate them every day. Which is why i said i'm shaky on LM right now, but in my mind I still have him as mafia. And sadly palmar went away after i answered him and we got on this stream It's just that I don't see your re-evaluation of LM in the thread. I don't see you engaging him. You've asked him one question since he's started to act, as you say it, better. One way I re-evaluate people is when i'm here to ask questions such as reads, reads are harder to fake as mafia than as town. I can see his intent and work from here. Read his filter see if earlier stuff lines up with later suff, see if if still read things the same way etc., re-evaluating players just isn't interacting with them necessarily.
So from this I take it you've gone through Lazer's filter again recently and came to the conclusion you still feel he's scum?
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No further questions your honour.
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On January 13 2015 10:09 Chezinu wrote:WOW ARTANIS YOUR AMAZING!!! I TOTES DIDN'T read any of KelsierSC's posts cause lazy. So, I made that super thing up. But now that I reads ~3 pages of his filter.... wow! Just WOW!!!! KelsierSC cannot hide his anger toward his teammates or the host. LOOKIES! Show nested quote +On January 08 2015 19:36 KelsierSC wrote:
why do we have replacements at this point that is ridiculous Show nested quote +On January 08 2015 20:06 KelsierSC wrote:On January 08 2015 19:48 DarthPunk wrote:On January 08 2015 19:42 KelsierSC wrote:On January 08 2015 19:38 marvellosity wrote:On January 08 2015 19:36 KelsierSC wrote:On January 08 2015 19:20 marvellosity wrote:On January 08 2015 18:12 KelsierSC wrote:
LM who do you think the cop is? what's the use in asking this? right, i best go read what i missed because I am trying to figure out who the mafia is wtf there are about seven thousand million, five hundred thousand and forty nine better ways of finding mafia than cop-hunting in the night phase. Just sayin. im not cop hunting I want LM, specifically, to tell me who the cop is ![[image loading]](http://acidcow.com/pics/20140428/guide_sarcastic_clappingx_06.gif) yay im glad you are a replacement Show nested quote +On January 08 2015 20:13 KelsierSC wrote:
so you replace in and dont read the thread
yay Show nested quote +On January 08 2015 20:36 KelsierSC wrote:
luckily DrH was town so I can just totally ignore you
mods please never do this again, thanks
Show nested quote +On January 08 2015 20:49 KelsierSC wrote:On January 08 2015 20:48 DarthPunk wrote:
Anyone else think the (Limited) interactions between Kelsier and Superbia look fake? do you? Show nested quote +On January 08 2015 21:43 KelsierSC wrote:
probably artanis dies tonight
DP hasnt even read the game so why would they kill him Show nested quote +On January 09 2015 00:34 KelsierSC wrote:
so because superbia, the mafia, voted robik
robik is mafia? Show nested quote +On January 09 2015 00:46 KelsierSC wrote:
yeh vivax I don't know what the fuck you are doing
robik said that he said the vote between you and geript earlier was close.
Show nested quote +On January 09 2015 00:51 KelsierSC wrote:
if your goal is to make me think ritoky is the cop over robick then G fucking L Show nested quote +On January 09 2015 07:17 KelsierSC wrote:
I find a Dam + superbia scum team highly unlikely
Dam pushes him early, does research on him d1, pushes for the lynch and votes him D2 and D3.
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I thought ritoky might try a little but too much of a pussy I guess
Chez, please walk me through this. You suggest that Damdred and Kelsier are a team, and that Kelsier has been mad at his teammates (Ritoky, Superbia, you've also implied Vivax) and the host, yet name no examples of Damdred other than Kelsier finding a Dam + Superbia team unlikely. Can you tell me how you arrived at this conclusion?
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I feel like today we've largely gone in circles. My reads have barely been developed, the only thing that I really took away from this day is having doubts on the scumminess of LM. Palmar, Marv, Damdred, GB, LM are all question marks to me and I feel like I've explored most avenues already. Most frustrating.
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And I forgot Kelsier. Vivax what in Kelsier's filter made you think he was definitely town?
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On January 13 2015 21:13 marvellosity wrote:
I think GB is mafia. I find it so hard to believe a player like him would be disaffected with the game like he has been this game, he should be in his absolute element.
not going to push this one until at the least i've been through LM though.
How come you've been putting this off for so long?
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Also, Marv, why did you unvote Palmar? What vindicated him to you to the point that you don't want to lynch him today?
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