EPTHis case isn't just bad it's twisted and scummy. I'll break it down when I get home to my computer
Bunnies I'm waking up probably about 6 hours before the deadline tomorrow. Would be good if we could do a final talk through but I do think it's ls
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sciberbia
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His case isn't just bad it's twisted and scummy. I'll break it down when I get home to my computer Bunnies I'm waking up probably about 6 hours before the deadline tomorrow. Would be good if we could do a final talk through but I do think it's ls | ||
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Point 1: + Show Spoiler [LS point 1] + On December 27 2014 02:23 LightningStrike wrote: Okay let's start off with his opening post where he was wanting to give free town cred Now that seemed like a odd opening post yes and here my entrance regarding his opening post Now Scib came like a bat out of hell and quickly defended his post Why would he assume his post was scummy when I said it was just silly? He was afraid that I was already scum reading him which I wasn't at the time. Here, he claims that I assumed he was calling my first post scummy. For one thing, I obviously didn't assume that's what he was saying, since I made a post to ask him whether he was calling it scummy or just silly. Secondly, multiple flipped town players did assume that he was calling my first post scummy (see quotes below), so clearly it would not have indicated a scum mindset even if I had assumed he was calling me scummy. In fact, the fact that I didn't make this assumption should probably be evidence in favor of me being town if anything. And third, Palmar explained in his first case how it was scummy of LS to talk about how my first post was silly, not scummy. So it should be obvious why I was asking for clarification there. + Show Spoiler [JAT] + On December 17 2014 05:32 justanothertownie wrote: Unforgivable. I have concluded that you are scum for not posting during the first 30 minutes of the game. Also you are attacking confirmed town scib. + Show Spoiler [Palmar] + On December 17 2014 05:59 Palmar wrote: Also, votes on LS people, bro is 84% mafia. Evidence 2 If it wasn't scummy then what the hell is he trying to say? What does silly mean? What has it got to do with the game at all, and why bring it up as expected or not expected behavior if it isn't alignment indicative. As if all this wasn't enough, LS himself said eariler in the thread that he thought my questioning of him was reasonable and in fact was one of the reasons for his stated town read on me. + Show Spoiler [LS contradicting himself from earlier] + On December 20 2014 13:49 LightningStrike wrote: I agree with all but the scip and sicklucker. I would put sicklucker null for now and Scip did some decent questioning on me and tried to ask me why I thought his opening post was silly and continued on pressuring me a bit before Palmar pressured me hard core. While Palmar was pressuring me he also followed up his read on me based on my reactions to the pressure from him and Palmar. Although I found it odd that 2 mafias were defending me pretty damn hard Day 1 when I not even mafia or sk it just seems weird but I think it because marv looked into my past games and Breshke knows my meta from playing with me twice once town and once and mafia. I feel kind of odd because of the mafia members defending because now they made me look a little bit scummier. Point 2: On December 27 2014 02:23 LightningStrike wrote: Also at one point before death Palmar did say Scib was scum and so Scib had the right motive to kill Palmar. By elimating Palmar Scib was able to hide himself as the lead town and looking like he figured the game out. First of all, the underlined is outright misleading. Palmar said on D2 that I might be scum, which is not surprising given that he was barely reading the thread and in general loves nothing more than not reading my posts and calling me scummy. However, look at the last posts in his filter: + Show Spoiler [Palmar N2 posts] + On December 22 2014 05:09 Palmar wrote: I think by default we lynch sicklucker or kush tomorrow. On December 22 2014 05:09 Palmar wrote: And yeah, amazing job Scib, that was a really good push. On December 22 2014 05:40 Palmar wrote: come join me in retirement! Now someone else can do shit tomorrow Clearly, Palmar had me as town (as he should) by N2. So, again LightningStrike's point is based on twisted information. Yes, Palmar did say I might be scum at one point in the game, but at the relevant part of the game where he died he clearly had me as a town read. Secondly, even if the underlined were based in truth, the bolded is just wild conjecturing not supported by anything. I can't even defend the point.. he's just not really saying anything there. Point 3: + Show Spoiler [LS point 3] + On December 27 2014 02:23 LightningStrike wrote: The next edivence that Scib is scum is actually him not getting killed the Night after VE got lynched and last Night instead of him Damdred and Palmar who he most likely felt was the biggest threats to him but by him not dieing he looked pretty bad. Now why would Mafia leave Scib behind after Scib found the SK? Because he got to be scum himself that's why. LIke kush said, this is just WIFOM NK analysis and bad WIFOM NK analysis at that. Again, there's nothing even to defend here since it's just conjecturing not based in fact. | ||
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sciberbia
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Let me know if I managed to change your opinion of the LS case. I feel pretty good about him being scum, since his case was built on misinformation and unsupported conjecturing, not to mention him contradicting himself. If you have good reason to want to lynch kush, let me hear it. If you compare LS and kush since D1, LS looks scummier imo. One big reason I have for going with LS over kush is that kush lurked all D1 and then picked up his activity after 2 mafia players died and it was revealed we had an SK. If he were the 3rd mafia and didn't have any motivation on D1, I think he would likely have just resigned himself to defeat on D2 and put in even less effort if anything. | ||
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thanks for hosting ff | ||
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On December 28 2014 05:10 sicklucker wrote: So scrib did you think I was the sk? Is that why you pushed ve and helped me No. Shortly into D2 I looked through everyone's filter to find the SK. As you can see in the scum QT, my best guess at SK was VE. My second guess at that point would have been kush, and my third guess either you or Palmar. I was afraid of getting shot and not afraid of getting lynched so I made my first post on VE to probe for reactions. I then accumulated enough evidence to convince myself he was 90+% SK and that I could get him lynched so I just went for it. | ||
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sicklucker your argument about tryharding on D2 doesn't make sense to me. Town isn't allowed to no lynch, so your options are literally lynch a townie or lynch scum. Clearly lynching scum is better lol Town played pretty well but unfortunately all of the night actions turned out pretty horribly for you guys. Cop got sniped N1. SK and mafia shot 2 separate townies. Veteran claimed on D2 so got no use out of it. I even got town cred for my roleblock. | ||
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some reasons why I thought VE was SK on D2. Maybe not all of these are solid evidence, but added all together made me feel confident in writing my first case on him. As the day went on I became more and more confident he was SK. Thought you guys might find this interesting + Show Spoiler + and I wanted to brag a little  sorryI) Process of elimination + Show Spoiler + There were 8 players alive besides me VE - probably SK kush - no read, but it doesn't seem likely he would shoot robik sicklucker - town read, outside chance he is sk palmar - town read, outside chance he is sk coag - town read ls - town read damdred - gotta be town bunnies - confirmed town II) This post + Show Spoiler + On December 17 2014 09:55 VisceraEyes wrote: Considering he's claimed mafia as his first act in any game I've ever played with townRobik, I don't like this read either.  Are we different alignments Palmar? Seems like a rather cheeky thing that a SK VE would like to say. III) Stance on marv wagon + Show Spoiler + Somehow, strangely, his approach to the marv lynch mirrored mine, which to me at least was obviously coming from a scum mindset We both showed no interest in voting marv until Palmar and JAT called for his lynch. Then we both made a post to the effect of "I'm thinking about it" Then bunnies posted some logic for voting marv. I really wanted to argue with it but I restrained myself. VE did argue with it. I even agreed with his arguing with it Then both our posts voting him were exactly the same IV) A bit subdued overall compared to town VE + Show Spoiler + I've only played with VE once, but in that game he was town and had more thread impact. Bunnies and JAT also noted this in this game. V) Never seemed to care that much who specifically was getting lynched as long as it wasn't him VI) Reaction to the 3 shots N1 (or lack thereof) + Show Spoiler + On December 20 2014 05:06 Damdred wrote: Vig come and claim I'm the Vet, i was not shot, theres a serial killer that we have to find as well On December 20 2014 05:07 LightningStrike wrote: <3 you sweetie pie. Who you think is the SK and who is Scum? On December 20 2014 05:07 Palmar wrote: I completely forgot about there being an sk in the game On December 20 2014 05:09 27ninjabunnies wrote: Did you really, or are you SK? Honestly, I thought you would die in the night over JAT or Rob. Im guessing Rob was SK shot? On December 20 2014 05:10 VisceraEyes wrote: There's no "counterclaims" in an open setup. Just further claims that may or may not make sense in context. Everyone else was like WOW 3 shots. Hm I wonder who is SK bla bla bla. SK SK SK VE didn't show any surprise or interest in SK, which seemed off compared to everyone else's reaction | ||
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On December 28 2014 06:21 marvellosity wrote: The problem with an SK isn't really balance. Games are just faster, and the SK provides a form of balance with who they shoot. The problem with an SK is that it takes a lot of power out of the other faction's hands. SK could help town out (if town are mislynching, SK should hit mafia) or help mafia out by hitting townies when things are going bad. But it just means either town or mafia are punished for playing well, and that really really sucks. anyhoo, thanks for the carry scib :p my team-mates pretty good at carrying me when i'm mafia these days... Well can't pretend that I didn't wish you had tried a bit harder, but I do enjoy carrying noob teammates :p Saw your note in the obs qt. Yea idk why I was even considering shooting bunnies lol.. | ||
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Made this game much more enjoyable for me though: I actually got to do some scumhunting and it shortened the game a bit. | ||
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On December 28 2014 08:47 LightningStrike wrote: Scib I knew you were mafia but I wasn't here for End of Game to make a bigger argument and I need help on making cases T_T GG WP any tips on how to build cases Scib? I wouldn't claim to be an expert but here are two quick tips 1) try to always make sure you understand everything going on in the thread. This involves reading the thread very closely at all times and rereading if necessary. This just helps with everything as both alignments 2) people love to read pretty posts. If you use pretty colors and stuff like
then people are more likely to read it and appreciate what you have to say. But when the formatting is messed up and you have a few rather long paragraphs, people don't want to read it. On December 28 2014 08:48 LightningStrike wrote: Also why did the entire scum team defended me Day 1? I find it odd they would all defend me then. I just defended you because I think that is what I would have done if I were town. I assume marv did for the same reason. Can't speak for Breshke but maybe also the same reason. I wouldn't think too much of it. | ||
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Not saying I was uncatchable but I don't think kush played as badly as you are making out. | ||
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