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On December 23 2014 23:22 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2014 23:15 sciberbia wrote:##UnvoteI think we should slow down a bit. Given the modkill, if we mislynch today, we will only have 4 players left tomorrow and it will be LYLO. If LightningStrike or Damdred is the last scum, we need to figure this out ideally today. On December 23 2014 22:46 LightningStrike wrote:
Anyways guys let's go the lynch on kush and we will be going to coag next! @LS The way you phrased that makes it look like you think kush will flip town? We wouldn't necessarily be going on to coag next if kush flips scum, right? It's always possible on kush but I think kush is scum atm I know it was phrased weird but what I was trying to say is that if Kush ends up as town we go to Coag next that's all.
So what makes you so certain that Damdred and I are town?
For example, yesterday you thought Damdred was scum, but then you agreed with me that Damdred looks better after the SK flip. What was your reasoning for that?
I know other people have already addressed these questions, but I would like to hear it from you.
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On December 23 2014 23:43 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2014 23:40 sciberbia wrote:On December 23 2014 23:22 LightningStrike wrote:On December 23 2014 23:15 sciberbia wrote:##UnvoteI think we should slow down a bit. Given the modkill, if we mislynch today, we will only have 4 players left tomorrow and it will be LYLO. If LightningStrike or Damdred is the last scum, we need to figure this out ideally today. On December 23 2014 22:46 LightningStrike wrote:
Anyways guys let's go the lynch on kush and we will be going to coag next! @LS The way you phrased that makes it look like you think kush will flip town? We wouldn't necessarily be going on to coag next if kush flips scum, right? It's always possible on kush but I think kush is scum atm I know it was phrased weird but what I was trying to say is that if Kush ends up as town we go to Coag next that's all. So what makes you so certain that Damdred and I are town? For example, yesterday you thought Damdred was scum, but then you agreed with me that Damdred looks better after the SK flip. What was your reasoning for that? I know other people have already addressed these questions, but I would like to hear it from you. Your RB claim was genuine I felt and you were activly solving the game. Damdred looked better after the SK flip because there was no possible counter claim to his blue claim whether he was medic or vet although I found it odd he would claim vet first but I can see claiming vet would let the scum go for other people. Also afterhe claimed medic he later got RB'd or so he claims but I can see that happening. Also you suggesting let's sleep and no lynch today?
No I don't think that we are allowed to no lynch. It says in the OP that voting is mandatory and whoever gets the most votes gets lynched.
I'm just saying that we should have a bit of discussion before deciding who to lynch since it can't hurt. Maybe we can find something we missed and further our knowledge of the alignments of the remaining players.
Regarding Damdred, there was never any counterclaim to his blue claim. So what about the SK flip makes Damdred town in your mind? If VE had flipped town or mafia, would you think that Damdred is scum?
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On December 23 2014 23:53 Damdred wrote:
Uggg.....this makes the game so stupid its not even funny.
now we go into lylo or mylo with one or two of kush and coag. And me going bonkers over sc right now.
yea pretty dumb....
Why are you going bonkers over me? Did you see what I wrote last night regarding my D1 post on LS?
Also, how worried are you about LS being scum?
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On December 24 2014 00:02 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2014 23:59 sciberbia wrote:On December 23 2014 23:53 Damdred wrote:
Uggg.....this makes the game so stupid its not even funny.
now we go into lylo or mylo with one or two of kush and coag. And me going bonkers over sc right now.
yea pretty dumb.... Why are you going bonkers over me? Did you see what I wrote last night regarding my D1 post on LS? Also, how worried are you about LS being scum? Cause there exists a real possibility that you fake claim rb as the rb. And you make a case on someone you don't think is SK cause you thought I was
Well yes I agree I'm not "confirmed" town but you still need a reason to think I'm scum, right? You're not going bonkers over the other nonconfirmed players in the game.
Can you also answer regarding what you find scummy about town cases? I want to see how genuine you're being there.
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God this sucks. I'm going evaluate from scratch and I suggest everyone else do the same. Ideally we find the mafia today because letting this go to LYLO is a major gamble.
I do think no-lynch tomorrow could be a good idea assuming we're allowed to do it.
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On December 24 2014 00:17 LightningStrike wrote:
Scib we at Day Time at the moment if you forgot. I will relook at some of the stuff to find mafia but I think finding out sickluckers alignment is crucial to this game.
Sicklucker is confirmed town lol. Or at least we should proceed as if he were. If he is mafia then we have already won the game since he's getting modkilled. And I'm pretty damn sure fecalfeast would just end the game in that case.
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Alrighty listen up.
I did some rereading, and if we were to discount the medic claim, my two best scum reads would be damdred and coag. There are several good reasons for this, perhaps the biggest is that they both fought against getting VE lynched. I think my case on VE was really really good, and kush and LS read it and sheeped it without question. I think that anyone who actually read the cases should have realized VE was likely scum. As several people have brought up already, the mafia probably did not want the SK to get lynched.
Therefore, LS and kush who pushed VE alongside me look good, whereas damdred and coag who just kind of wishy washily disagreed with it look suspect.
Damdred however is un-counterclaimed for third blue, and lacking a counterclaim it seems unlikely he is scum. Coag on the other hand has basically left the game. Here's what I think Coag's thought process might have been: - I need the SK to not get lynched so he can shoot all the townies and win the game for me
- Shit SK got lynched, so I guess I'm going to lose
- Wait lmao some people think I'm town because they think I should have conceded already
- So, I'll just literally not do anything and maybe they won't lynch me. Wouldn't that be hilarious?
Really there's no good reason to think that Coag has to be town here. He's not putting in any effort and hasn't even voted yet today. He might just be lurking and laughing at us while we tear ourselves to pieces. Fuck that I'm not losing to scum Coag. I say we lynch Coag today.
##Vote: Coagulation
Now if Coag flips scum, gg and merry christmas!
If either Coag or Sicklucker flip blue, we are lynching Damdred no questions asked. I know they both claimed VT at some point, but honestly I don't completely trust either of them a town not to be doing something dumb.
If they both flip VT, then Damdred is pretty much confirmed because I trust that either LS or kush would have counterclaimed if they were blue. In that case, we go into LYLO tomorrow but at least we have 4 active players, 1 of which is pretty much confirmed town, and we can work it out from there.
What do you guys think of my plan?
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On December 24 2014 16:04 Damdred wrote:
Well, honestly coag is a question mark. However what you say doesn't make him mafia nor does it clear you ls etc., for voting ve as mafia doesn't know who the SK is and thread sentiment was I was the SK at the time.which opens up another can of worms
idk man obviously if you're town then you disagree, but I thought the evidence in the thread was really really damning against VE. I only thought you were SK because I thought VE was mafia due to his interactions regarding marv D1. Mafia would obviously know that VE is not mafia and therefore he would have to be SK. I'm not saying it 'clears' anybody but it's a substantial piece of evidence to consider.
Another reason in favor of coag being scum is marv rolling over and dying on D1. Maybe if marv's teammates had been trying a little harder he would have himself put more effort in.
I can't 'prove' he is scum the same way I think I more-or-less proved VE was scum, but that's not surprising given how much less material I have to work with here. I just think he's our best chance at flipping red, and it also wouldn't be the worst mislynch in the world if he flips town.
Who would you rather lynch instead?
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On December 25 2014 03:31 Damdred wrote:
Theres not a case on coag its just a narrative.
This whole thing Proves NOTHING, mafia doesn't know who sk is at all. which voids out the entire case basically, there was no way that mafia would know that VE was the serial killer, which means it doesn't matter who helped push that case especially since most the thread thought ve was mafia not third party at that time, so it is more likely that mafia road VE in that situation for a mislynch
How would you know for sure whether or not mafia thought VE was the SK?
We're just gonna have to disagree here because I thought VE was super scummy by the end of D2, and if I were in the position of mafia, knowing that VE cannot be mafia, I would have assumed VE was SK
Anyway, I admit it doesn't PROVE anything definitively because I also don't know for sure whether mafia knew VE was SK.
Sorry if I sound irritated, but instead of just trying to dismantle all my logic, why don't you tell me who YOU want to lynch if not coag?
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Honestly Damdred just because you didn't see that VE was scum doesn't mean the evidence wasn't in the thread. It's insulting to say that the VE flip was all luck. Can't you just admit that maybe me, LS, and/or kush saw something you didn't?
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On December 25 2014 03:46 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On December 25 2014 03:43 sciberbia wrote:On December 25 2014 03:31 Damdred wrote:
Theres not a case on coag its just a narrative.
This whole thing Proves NOTHING, mafia doesn't know who sk is at all. which voids out the entire case basically, there was no way that mafia would know that VE was the serial killer, which means it doesn't matter who helped push that case especially since most the thread thought ve was mafia not third party at that time, so it is more likely that mafia road VE in that situation for a mislynch How would you know for sure whether or not mafia thought VE was the SK? We're just gonna have to disagree here because I thought VE was super scummy by the end of D2, and if I were in the position of mafia, knowing that VE cannot be mafia, I would have assumed VE was SK Anyway, I admit it doesn't PROVE anything definitively because I also don't know for sure whether mafia knew VE was SK. Sorry if I sound irritated, but instead of just trying to dismantle all my logic, why don't you tell me who YOU want to lynch if not coag? He would rather lynch me see last page >.> Sorry Damdred but I was having a mental break down last night because this was giving a lot of headaches and was very uncomfortable for me on my 4th game on TL Mafia trying to avoid a Mislynch or Lose T_T I tried to prove to you I was town by making the case on you to show you I am willing to do anything to look town to you and I'm sorry I was irritated you last night 
He voted you but he said he doesn't want to lynch you today. But he keeps arguing with my reasoning for voting coag so idk what he's trying to do here other than criticize my logic >_>
LS, if you were mafia, wouldn't you also be willing to do anything to look town? In fact, isn't mafia usually even more desperate to look town than townies?
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On December 25 2014 04:04 Damdred wrote:
Firstly, we are working from different perspectives of term I believe. As VE wasn't scum he was an independent third party role that can only win by himself, hes anti-town but hes not in the scum category as only the mafia members are in that for me.
However, you are irritated with me trying to dismantle your logic but look what i'm saying about your case. Mafia have little to no clue who the SK is here, VE has a habit of saying things and looking scummy. VE was not playing to his scum meta over all, you are discounting Kush, LS when they could
1) be mafia who thought they were pushing a strong mislynch at the time.
2) could of thought someone else was the SK
Coag is just a policy lynch, and it is really over explained as such. It is a narrative that makes him look bad, but pushing off of VE is just as mafia minded as jumping on VE.
And obviously when I say we got pretty lucky, I don't mean that we got lucky that he flipped SK. I mean that we got lucky that he got caught when he did rather than later when he would of been harder to catch, not that your case was built on luck.
OK look I'm meeting you halfway. I concede it is possible LS or Kush is scum and thought they were pushing a mislynch in which case this is all irrelevant. However it is also possible that everyone but you thought VE was anti-town, which would make Coag the most likely mafia. So fine it's not hard solid evidence but it is something.
I agree that it's basically a policy lynch and that I didn't write a 'case' for Coag being scum. I just described what I think are plausible mafia motivations for his play, since Kush is trying to argue that Coag can't be mafia and I disagree.
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On December 25 2014 04:20 kushm4sta wrote:
Scriberia, what is your trouble with voting LS today?
Because I've thought he is town since 5 hours into the game and I still do. I've been reading LS as a town newer player who really really doesn't want to get mislynched. What makes him mafia instead?
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On December 25 2014 04:36 kushm4sta wrote:
you tell me
What do you mean I tell you? He's YOUR big scum read and if you want me to vote him in the next 15 minutes I expect you to have a damn good argument.
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On December 25 2014 04:42 kushm4sta wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2014 23:51 LightningStrike wrote:
Tbh I scum reading kush because in pregame he said would put more time in this game than the other games he was involved in and his first reply he said he liked the songs from Coag which came in like 5 hours after the game started and was reading the thread to catch up and he didn't give his reads or anything insightful in his next post claiming don't Pynch him and I waiting for a reason he's not scum at this point. Is this why people are townreading LS? Because scum can make this argument.
Wtf? This very post made YOU townread him not too long ago. You just contradicted your previous opinion of it.
On December 20 2014 08:26 kushm4sta wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2014 23:51 LightningStrike wrote:
Tbh I scum reading kush because in pregame he said would put more time in this game than the other games he was involved in and his first reply he said he liked the songs from Coag which came in like 5 hours after the game started and was reading the thread to catch up and he didn't give his reads or anything insightful in his next post claiming don't Pynch him and I waiting for a reason he's not scum at this point. ok this is legitimate and actually it makes me townread you.
You can look back to my D1 filter if you want to see why I originally had him as town. And the fact that he supported my VE push also makes me think townier of him.
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I'm sticking with coag. If I'm wrong then sorry but you can convince me tonight if it's really as obvious as you say it is
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fuck sorry guys...
You know kush, maybe instead of coming in 15 minutes before the deadline and just telling me what to vote and to trust you, you could maybe idk explain what you're thinking over the course of the day
And just because coag flipped vt doesn't make ls scum. If you can prove he is scum then do it and make the game easy on me
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Dude it's christmas eve I'm not sticking around all night phase. You're basically confirmed and I'm confident I can solve the rest tomorrow. I don't wanna talk about kush vs LS right now since it only introduces more WIFOM on the night kill.
damdred and bunnies should post a last will with final thoughts in case you are shot
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merry christmas guys
trying to figure out why damdred was shot is a very wifomy. I think ls is probably mafia now not just because damdred was shot, but ls immediately tried to explain it as himself being set up, which as bunnies said is a very wifom argument
kush i still want you to explain clearly and concisely why ls is scum to you. i can guess what you will say but i still want to hear you say it. convince me
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Well LS this is certainly a twist. I'm going to be busy most of the day today, but I'll try to look at whatever you come up with before I go to bed. And I'll see if it affects who I want to vote, but I don't think it will.
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