EPTI guess it's a slight point in his favor for not 'keeping his options open' as you say. I just think it's a small point.
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I guess it's a slight point in his favor for not 'keeping his options open' as you say. I just think it's a small point. | ||
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On December 20 2014 20:07 Palmar wrote: It's weekend I won't do much today. Didn't mafia broski try to go after coag despite repeatedly being told coag is always shit? If I recall that correctly coag is probably town Did you read my post on VE? | ||
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I really think this is the direction we should go. Here are some facts about coag:
No other lynch has so many things going for them. Assuming kush continues to put in some small modicum of effort, he will be more readable and more dependable if he is town. I really think I can read him given more contributions. Damdred could very well be scum, and I don't trust his claim, but he is committed to contributing, which means not only will we get more information to read him, but if he is town his vote will be an asset in future days. We always knew we would either have to vig coag or policy lynch him at some point, and I don't think we should put it off any longer. If anyone is awake either vote with me or let me know why you disagree with lynching coag. | ||
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coagulation (1): sciberbia kush (2): VE, coag damdred (2): Palmar, sicklucker Not Voting (4): kush, lightningstrike, bunnies, damdred | ||
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On December 21 2014 04:07 VisceraEyes wrote: SCIB/PALMAR/BUNNIES/ANYONE WHO THOUGHT SCIB'S CASE ON VE WAS GOOD: GET IN HERE AND EXPLAIN UR SHIT RIGHT EFFING NOW!!! I think my case on you was pretty reasonable VE. It's a case which shows possible strong mafia motivations consistent with your play. You can't really deny that. The reason I don't think it's a completely damning case is that I'm not sure whether your actions were inconsistent with what town VE could/would do. That's why I asked Palmar what he thought. So let's talk for a bit. On December 21 2014 02:43 VisceraEyes wrote: Like it's explicit in the thread that I had a townread on marv. EXPLICIT. Anyone who says I'm suspicious for defending MY TOWNREAD is fucking bad. And anyone who says that people voting in the voting thread but not here EVEN WHEN MY THOUGHTS ARE EXPLICIT IN THE THREAD, THEY are bad too. Anyone calling me anything but town in this town is fucking bad this game. This is kinda scummy bro. Here is what you actually said about marv: On December 18 2014 08:45 VisceraEyes wrote: I could be convinced to do this. He said we would play today, and I got stood the fuck up. On December 18 2014 11:48 VisceraEyes wrote: Yeah this is a deal at twice the price. ##Unvote ##Vote: Marv It does not look to me like you have a townread on marv at this point. Saying you could be convinced to lynch him = you think there is a good chance he is scum, no? Your thoughts regarding the marv lynch are NOT explicit in the thread. That's a big part of why I find it suspicious that you argued with bunnies about her rationale in voting marv. | ||
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On December 21 2014 04:05 VisceraEyes wrote: Honestly I think it's far more likely that you're third party, but I'd believe mafia over town Vet. Why do you think it's far more likely Damdred is third party? Why did you change your mind? + Show Spoiler [yesterday] + On December 20 2014 06:04 VisceraEyes wrote: If Damdred is mafia fake-claiming that means that (presumably) there's another PR out there. Vet is EXACTLY the role I would fake-claim as mafia because it would draw out the Doctor claim considering a blue flip and a vig claim that hit mafia. Balancewise it wouldn't make much sense to have both a medic and a vet in the game, that wouldn't be fair to any of the anti-town factions (particularly one who has to kill, literally, everyone). And even if it doesn't draw out the other PR, Damdred rolls through with a Vet claim forever. There's a very slim chance that Damdred is SK who chose bulletproof, but honestly with the scrutiny he's under I can't see a lone-wolf coming out and fake-claiming. Actually....he COULD have chosen Investigation-Immune and is trusting mafia not to shoot him (because of the scrutiny) knowing that Bunnies' bullet is gone. That's actually worth thinking about. I honestly can't imagine a world where Damdred claims Vet as town. That's just bad play, and from my experience Damdred isn't a bad player. Gonna filter-dive a little bit tonight and see what I see. Focus will be on those I've listed as "Will Lynch With Fire" but as always I'm open to conversation on any topic. | ||
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Unfortunately I have to step out. I'll be back in an hour or two. | ||
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On December 21 2014 07:06 VisceraEyes wrote: My townread of Marv is explicit. Like, stop cherry-picking and actually read my filter if you think I'm mafia scib, not for things that "prove" your case, but for things that "disprove" it. For everyone's sake. What made me change my mind is exactly what I said. He said we would play and we didn't. His lack of involvement and his subsequent scumclaim made me OBVIOUSLY rethink my townread of him. Regarding Damdred, after thinking about it he would have to have a partner that either okayed his claim or was going to either bus or play along...it just seems too convoluted to come from mafia imo. But SK could claim Vet in any way he wants honestly. I've literally done it myself as SK. And think about it: as SK he doesn't have to worry about being vigged, and mafia are never going to shoot him...it's like the perfect play in his position. @VE I'm not cherry picking and I did read your entire filter. Earlier in the day you explained why you were thinking marv was town, which was fine. But then you changed your read to ???/scummy by saying you could be convinced to vote for him. That's why it's worrying that you were arguing against bunnies's logic for lynching marv, and not voting marv in the voting thread despite voting him in the game thread. | ||
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What do you think of the contributions from kush, damdred, and coag today? Has it affected your reads on them? What do you think of my logic for why we should lynch Coag today? I do think VE could be scum, but if we lynch him and he turns out to be town we're in big trouble. You're willing to take that risk? | ||
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On December 21 2014 12:17 kushm4sta wrote: sicklucker or ls could be scum. Hey kush. Can you explain why you think sicklucker and ls could be scum? Also, do you still think Palmar is scum? | ||
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On December 21 2014 13:21 kushm4sta wrote: palmar probably not. sicklucker is just a matter of i can't eliminate poe him for anything townie. And I mean if it's not him who is it? Can you point to what made you change your mind about Palmar? Also what are your thoughts on LightningStrike? You first had him as scummy, then changed your mind to townie, and now you are not sure? | ||
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coag and kush now look like they are willing to play the game, so it is no longer the correct play to policy lynch them. If they are town they can help us. Here is why I think VE is scum His defense of my first case is scummy and insufficient On December 21 2014 02:37 VisceraEyes wrote: I never said I wouldn't vote for Kush, I said I wouldn't vote for sicklucker and marv, but marv claimed scum so I voted for marv. If you want to vote for me for breaking my promise and voting a mafia then by all means, but that's losing play every day and I'm town so get the fuck on. On December 21 2014 02:43 VisceraEyes wrote: Like it's explicit in the thread that I had a townread on marv. EXPLICIT. Anyone who says I'm suspicious for defending MY TOWNREAD is fucking bad. This is misrepresenting both what happened in the thread on D1 and my original case on VE. In the quotes above, VE is trying to tell a story that goes like this:
Now that story sounds fine (besides the fact he TR a scum I guess). But this is NOT an accurate story. It's twisted and does not answer to the core of my first case. In between points 1 and 2, VE made a post saying that he "could be convinced to vote for marv" --> implies he thinks marv could be scum. Therefore, when he was arguing against bunnies logic for voting marv, he was not arguing against lynching his townread, but rather his ???/scum read. Furthermore, VE voted marv in the game thread BEFORE marv gave up. His reasoning for doing so is not explicit in the thread. All he said about marv is that marv stood him up. And remember, he voted KUSH in the voting thread rather than marv. Only later after marv had clearly given up did VE vote for him. He seems infinitely more concerned with not getting lynched himself than finding scum Since Breshke was shot, the last mafia is a lone wolf. That means that their goal during the day is to get anybody lynched but themself. Let's see how VE has approached D2. votes kush and also calls damdred likely scum + Show Spoiler + On December 20 2014 05:15 VisceraEyes wrote: ##Vote: kushm4sta No Palmar, you promised. I sheeped you onto marv, now you return the favor. On December 20 2014 06:04 VisceraEyes wrote: If Damdred is mafia fake-claiming that means that (presumably) there's another PR out there. Vet is EXACTLY the role I would fake-claim as mafia because it would draw out the Doctor claim considering a blue flip and a vig claim that hit mafia. Balancewise it wouldn't make much sense to have both a medic and a vet in the game, that wouldn't be fair to any of the anti-town factions (particularly one who has to kill, literally, everyone). And even if it doesn't draw out the other PR, Damdred rolls through with a Vet claim forever. There's a very slim chance that Damdred is SK who chose bulletproof, but honestly with the scrutiny he's under I can't see a lone-wolf coming out and fake-claiming. Actually....he COULD have chosen Investigation-Immune and is trusting mafia not to shoot him (because of the scrutiny) knowing that Bunnies' bullet is gone. That's actually worth thinking about. I honestly can't imagine a world where Damdred claims Vet as town. That's just bad play, and from my experience Damdred isn't a bad player. Gonna filter-dive a little bit tonight and see what I see. Focus will be on those I've listed as "Will Lynch With Fire" but as always I'm open to conversation on any topic. On December 21 2014 02:56 VisceraEyes wrote: Yeah I'm never moving my vote today unless someone not-kush actually claims scum again. Which WOULD be fantastic. He hasn't been scumhunting today. There's no evidence that he's reading filters. In fact the whole game I 've felt he's been slightly subdued for VE, but didn't think much of it until now. Now look what what happens when he thinks he's in danger of getting lynched. All of a sudden he explodes. The majority of his energy today has been used berating people who think he is scum. + Show Spoiler [defending himself] + On December 21 2014 02:35 VisceraEyes wrote: What in the holy fuck did I wake up to? On December 21 2014 02:37 VisceraEyes wrote: I never said I wouldn't vote for Kush, I said I wouldn't vote for sicklucker and marv, but marv claimed scum so I voted for marv. If you want to vote for me for breaking my promise and voting a mafia then by all means, but that's losing play every day and I'm town so get the fuck on. On December 21 2014 02:38 VisceraEyes wrote: And all of you people who missed that nodding your head in assent should be fucking ashamed of yourselves. On December 21 2014 02:39 VisceraEyes wrote: Especially Palmar. Fucking disgusting. On December 21 2014 02:43 VisceraEyes wrote: Like it's explicit in the thread that I had a townread on marv. EXPLICIT. Anyone who says I'm suspicious for defending MY TOWNREAD is fucking bad. And anyone who says that people voting in the voting thread but not here EVEN WHEN MY THOUGHTS ARE EXPLICIT IN THE THREAD, THEY are bad too. Anyone calling me anything but town in this town is fucking bad this game. On December 21 2014 02:47 VisceraEyes wrote: Palmar get back in here and explain yourself! You just almost sheeped a fucking bad case onto a townie, and you're GOING to explain yourself! On December 21 2014 02:54 VisceraEyes wrote: I refuted Bunnies' logic because it's based on video logic where there is ONE vote on someone and if that vote doesn't pass that person gets immunity. I wasn't even trying to get her to change her mind, only to rethink the notion that people NOT voting for marv ARE necessarily mafia, because I wasn't voting for marv and I'm town. I have a VESTED INTEREST in changing that aspect of her mind, to win the game for town. On December 21 2014 02:55 VisceraEyes wrote: Like I would have just been all "No idiots, marv is town gtfo" if I were mafia with marv. I don't care what he may or may not have instructed his team to do in the QT, I would have fought for a mislynch on D1. On December 21 2014 03:02 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm not getting lynched. I'm laying the smack down on shitty logic. Don't like it? Stop providing it. On December 21 2014 04:07 VisceraEyes wrote: SCIB/PALMAR/BUNNIES/ANYONE WHO THOUGHT SCIB'S CASE ON VE WAS GOOD: GET IN HERE AND EXPLAIN UR SHIT RIGHT EFFING NOW!!! On December 21 2014 05:22 VisceraEyes wrote: My point is that many of the names I listed are literally just nodding in assent. Bunnies has retracted support for my lynch but others are adding sentiment to this game that is anti-town. Scib could just be mistaken, as he literally says something that's not true. I'm assuming that based on that, his mind could feasibly change because I had him as town before this. But others who are just passively adding sentiment to a VE lynch are being anti-town and they need to answer for it. On December 21 2014 07:06 VisceraEyes wrote: My townread of Marv is explicit. Like, stop cherry-picking and actually read my filter if you think I'm mafia scib, not for things that "prove" your case, but for things that "disprove" it. For everyone's sake. What made me change my mind is exactly what I said. He said we would play and we didn't. His lack of involvement and his subsequent scumclaim made me OBVIOUSLY rethink my townread of him. Regarding Damdred, after thinking about it he would have to have a partner that either okayed his claim or was going to either bus or play along...it just seems too convoluted to come from mafia imo. But SK could claim Vet in any way he wants honestly. I've literally done it myself as SK. And think about it: as SK he doesn't have to worry about being vigged, and mafia are never going to shoot him...it's like the perfect play in his position. Just look at all those posts. The monstruous disparity between his passion in scumhunting (relatively low) and passion in defending himself (extremely high) is the biggest reason I think he is scum. He has not worked that hard today to show why kush is mafia. He hasn't been going out of his way to drill kush in the thread. But he'll go to hell and back to defend himself from my original case, which if you'll notice didn't even have a vote. Scumslip? VE has refused to lynch anyone but kush all day. He acts as if he is very confident kush is mafia On December 21 2014 05:25 VisceraEyes wrote: Anyone not voting for Kush needs to explain in detail why they aren't voting for mafia. Now look at this post On December 21 2014 02:45 VisceraEyes wrote: Kush is voting for me because I backstabbed him in Big Brother. Everyone else voting for me has no fucking excuse. Looks like a scumslip. What do you guys think? If VE really thinks kush is scum, then being scum is plenty of reason to vote for a town VE. What is this about backstabbing in Big Brother? It makes no sense. Furthermore, he is saying kush has no excuse for voting VE. If VE truly thinks kush is mafia, it doesn't make any sense to say whether kush's vote is excusable or inexcusable. Mafia votes cannot be criticized on logic the same way town votes can. VE if you're town I'm sorry and I'm gonna feel really bad but my gut says you're scum. And I don't think I'm wrong. ##Vote: VisceraEyes | ||
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On December 21 2014 15:20 VisceraEyes wrote: Scib I can't "drill" kush when he's not here, and you can see clearly that when he's around I DO in fact drill Kush. You're just inventing this narrative because you think you're right and you're not. Fucking move on bro. VE can you show me where you drilled kush because I don't see it. I see 1 post today where you ask kush a question or push him to do something, and you only made that post because he specifically asked you to push him to do something On December 21 2014 12:30 kushm4sta wrote: how do i prove my towniness to you ve? On December 21 2014 12:33 VisceraEyes wrote: Find mafia. Stop bitching about not having time or whatever and just fucking do it. Or conversely, explain the reads you have given with some amount of supporting reasoning. Like do you think I should be instead voting for Coag? Why or why not? He's been around a bit and you could have asked him more questions. Honestly if I am just completely missing something in your filter show me, but it looks like you decided to vote kush at the beginning of the day and never considered chaning your mind or getting more information. How can you be so sure he is mafia? Sure he's been fairly inactive but so is Coag. Are you saying they are both 100% scum? | ||
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On December 21 2014 15:23 VisceraEyes wrote: Coag knows Kush better than I do, and if you think I'm mafia you have to think Coag is town and HE thinks that Kush is mafia and not me now. In fact, HE knows me better than YOU do scib, and HE has been defending me this day. You're just WRONG scib. Dude come on this is just making me more confident you are scum. Do you really think I'm going to go against my perfectly good reasons to think you are scum, and my gut telling me so, just because Coag, who is barely reading the game, thinks you are town and kush is mafia. You're either scum or you severely underestimate my self-confidence. | ||
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On December 21 2014 15:31 VisceraEyes wrote: Your perfectly good reasons are literally ALL narratives you've assigned to them. Are they reasonable? Maybe, but I don't care because my (true) town motivations are explicit in the thread. You're fucking ignoring them. Whatever dude. I'm not saying it's impossible you are town but I think I've demonstrated sufficiently to myself and everyone else that your recent filter looks more like scum than town. Also are you going to answer this or admit that the bolded is a lie (or at least very far from the truth)? On December 21 2014 15:20 VisceraEyes wrote: Scib I can't "drill" kush when he's not here, and you can see clearly that when he's around I DO in fact drill Kush. You're just inventing this narrative because you think you're right and you're not. Fucking move on bro. On December 21 2014 15:28 sciberbia wrote: VE can you show me where you drilled kush because I don't see it. I see 1 post today where you ask kush a question or push him to do something, and you only made that post because he specifically asked you to push him to do something | ||
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On December 21 2014 15:30 VisceraEyes wrote: Because Kush as town likes to comment on things he thinks are fishy or questionable. He has opinions on things and kush has just been completely demotivated this game. And it's not just that he's having a slump or whatever, he's literally modding another game on a different site, so you'd think he'd have fervor in a game he's actually playing. But he's not. Because he's mafia. If Kush is scum and there's only 1 left then that makes Coag town. Whatever, I've seen Coag do this as town. I haven't really seen Kush COMPLETELY clock out as town before. I think you're scum VE but I'm not so arrogant as to say I can't be wrong, so I will look at kush's past games as mafia and town and see for myself how truthful you are being here. On December 21 2014 15:10 kushm4sta wrote: my last activity today will be this vote for VE. scriberia's case seems so right. @kush I'm glad you like my case but come on man if you're town you're making this so hard on me. Please don't make me regret my decision to vote VE by doing nothing and ignoring questions I ask you. I just asked you to explain your thought process -- not even go do any actual work. I'm willing to do the heavy lifting around here, but it shouldn't be that hard to answer my questions. + Show Spoiler [my post] + On December 21 2014 13:25 sciberbia wrote: Can you point to what made you change your mind about Palmar? Also what are your thoughts on LightningStrike? You first had him as scummy, then changed your mind to townie, and now you are not sure? | ||
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On December 21 2014 15:20 VisceraEyes wrote: Scib I can't "drill" kush when he's not here, and you can see clearly that when he's around I DO in fact drill Kush. Remember this quote because it is a blatant lie. I asked VE to show me where he has been drilling kush, but he ignored this question in his next couple posts. So let's go back and see how kush and VE have interacted today, shall we? Kush enters the thread at 3:56 and makes a few posts. VE is also in the thread at the time making posts. He ignores kush. A couple hours later kush makes a few more posts and concludes with this On December 20 2014 08:29 kushm4sta wrote: I hope this modicum of activity has made me a less desirable lynch than coag. VE responds with this On December 20 2014 08:32 VisceraEyes wrote: It certainly doesn't hurt. Thx for ur time Kush. This is in no way, shape, or form "driling" kush. Later VE wakes up and starts responding to my first case on him. Kush makes a post @VE to which VE responds in a purely defensive manner, explaining himself to kush. + Show Spoiler [interaction] + On December 21 2014 02:51 kushm4sta wrote: um no. im voting for you because of scriberia's case on you. How you weirdly refuted the case against marv without defending him. On December 21 2014 02:54 VisceraEyes wrote: I refuted Bunnies' logic because it's based on video logic where there is ONE vote on someone and if that vote doesn't pass that person gets immunity. I wasn't even trying to get her to change her mind, only to rethink the notion that people NOT voting for marv ARE necessarily mafia, because I wasn't voting for marv and I'm town. I have a VESTED INTEREST in changing that aspect of her mind, to win the game for town. A few hours later, kush tells VE that my case on him was convincing. VE again responds without questioning kush or pushing him to do anything, or trying to confirm that he is mafia. + Show Spoiler [interaction] + On December 21 2014 05:03 kushm4sta wrote: Ve, Scribs case was convincing. You should recognize that even if you're town. On December 21 2014 05:22 VisceraEyes wrote: My point is that many of the names I listed are literally just nodding in assent. Bunnies has retracted support for my lynch but others are adding sentiment to this game that is anti-town. Scib could just be mistaken, as he literally says something that's not true. I'm assuming that based on that, his mind could feasibly change because I had him as town before this. But others who are just passively adding sentiment to a VE lynch are being anti-town and they need to answer for it. Kush has to EXPLICITLY ask VE to pressure him before VE tells kush how he can prove his towniness. + Show Spoiler [interaction] + On December 21 2014 12:30 kushm4sta wrote: how do i prove my towniness to you ve? On December 21 2014 12:33 VisceraEyes wrote: Find mafia. Stop bitching about not having time or whatever and just fucking do it. Or conversely, explain the reads you have given with some amount of supporting reasoning. Like do you think I should be instead voting for Coag? Why or why not? If VE is town, he should have made this post WAY earlier in the day, and should not have needed prompting from kush to do it. VE is not interested in finding mafia. He is lying and otherwise twisting the truth all over the place in his defense from my cases. Needs to die. Today. | ||
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I'm pretty sure I've found mafia. Please read all of my D2 posts on VE, and read VE's responses to them. His defense at this point is basically "lawl you can't get the votes". If you agree, which I really think/hope you will, help me get him lynched. On December 21 2014 00:56 Palmar wrote: @scib: 2) Regarding Coag, can you go double check the breshke interaction with coag. I think Breshke was really adamant about trying to lynch coag for not contributing, and if that is correctly remembered, it was almost certainly not a bus. In response to this, yes Breshke did vote coag for not contributing, and tried to push a scumread on coag in spite of other people telling him that you can't read coag like that. I agree you could consider this evidence against Coag being mafia. The thing is I'm feeling pretty good about VE being the 3rd mafia right now, and this Breske stuff is completely irrelevant to whether or not Coag is SK. Let's see what VE flips first and proceed from there. You down with that? | ||
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Glad you agree on VE Can you switch your vote to VE now? Currently kush has 3 and VE has 3. Whoever gets to 4 first wins the tiebreak if it comes to that, so it would be good if you could vote VE now. You can always change your mind later although I don't see why you would. | ||
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