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sciberbia
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1359 Posts
December 19 2014 21:18 GMT
#1174
Another thought I had: if he is mafia he is hoping SK will not shoot him because he's claiming veteran. And vice versa
sciberbia
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1359 Posts
December 19 2014 22:02 GMT
#1180
sicklucker please stop posting and go read the thread. After you've done that, tell me what you currently think of Damdred
sciberbia
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1359 Posts
December 19 2014 22:07 GMT
#1181
On December 20 2014 05:49 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Everyone give their top 3 town/ Scum reads outside of me.


This is a fair amount of repeating myself so I'm putting explanations in spoilers.

scummy pile
damdred + Show Spoiler +
there's plenty on him in my filter.
previous post also

kush + Show Spoiler +
He promised to be more active this game at the start. Then after 24 hours he said
On December 17 2014 22:30 kushm4sta wrote:
dont plynch me bros. i was just kinda busy yesterday


This should imply he's going to be more active. But he hasn't been. Broken promises of activity is scummy.

coag + Show Spoiler +

process of elimination. He's basically null and everyone else looks townier. I honestly would not be surprised if damdred and kush are the remaining scum, but if either of them is town my money's on coag for the 4th.


townie pile
palmar + Show Spoiler +
I've played with town palmar 3 times. He feels similar to all 3 town games and I don't think he's good enough at scum to fool me.

Also, I really doubt marv would have consented to being bused by Palmar like that D1. I think what Palmar said was accurate: marv would have been more motivated to play if Palmar was his scummate.

I guess that argument doesn't preclude Palmar from being SK. Now that I think about it, maybe Palmar could be SK but I really don't think he is mafia.

LightningStrike + Show Spoiler +

there's some stuff in my filter on him. I also have more stuff in my notes if you want it but the underlying assumption is that he does not seem like devious enough of a person to post the way he has as scum


SL and VE are in between these two groups. I have some reasons to think they are town but I'm not as confident as I am about Palmar or LS. And sicklucker's attitude recently is not comforting.


Going to reread some filters. I'm feeling really hopeful that we can just lynch damdred, kush, coag, and win ezpz.
sciberbia
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1359 Posts
December 19 2014 22:20 GMT
#1186
On December 20 2014 07:13 Damdred wrote:
There should be no other pr unclaimed we have flipped cop vet and big shot claim


Well that's all well and good from your perspective if you're town but we don't know if you're telling the truth. For all we know, we have a medic and he doesn't want to claim for obvious reasons and you are lying.

Also, did you really work all this out in the 60 seconds after the day post? You saw hm OK cop flipped vigi shot, so I'll claim veteran because we can't have a medic. Furthermore, I'm sure that I'll never get shot by either SK or mafia. It just seems hard to believe.

I just don't see the town motivation for the claim. How do you think your claim has helped town?
sciberbia
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1359 Posts
December 19 2014 22:26 GMT
#1187
Hell even if we don't have a medic I'm not sure there's any guarantee we have 3 power roles. Does every 13 player mini have 3 power roles?
sciberbia
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1359 Posts
December 20 2014 00:09 GMT
#1204
##Vote Damdred

Agree with Palmar. I reread Breshke's filter and at one point it seemed like he was offering up kush as an alternative lynch to marv. That combined with the fact that kush shows some possibity of picking up his activity makes damdred feel like the better lynch.

@kush
Seriously though pick up the activity or we're lynching you. If you are town I think I'll be able to townread you if you post enough.
sciberbia
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1359 Posts
December 20 2014 00:13 GMT
#1205
sicklucker is looking increasingly worse. As Palmar noted he started being uncooperative when it was clear marv was getting lynched. Now that bunnies shot breshke he's barely even reading the thread anymore.

Seems like he's getting more and more sour as the game goes worse and worse for scum.
sciberbia
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1359 Posts
December 20 2014 06:30 GMT
#1244
@bunnies
Can you share why you think damdred is town? It really looks to me like he was hoping we would put him down as town for claiming blue, and now that it hasn't worked he's giving up.

Also are you gonna be around for awhile? I'm working through all the filters and wouldn't mind someone to bounce ideas off of.
sciberbia
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1359 Posts
December 20 2014 06:41 GMT
#1246
On December 20 2014 15:04 Damdred wrote:
I guess ill just content myself with dying


Talking about this. If you are town you should just keep playing man. No reason to just be content with dying.
sciberbia
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1359 Posts
December 20 2014 06:51 GMT
#1249
On December 20 2014 15:46 Damdred wrote:
That was really sarcastic considering i was talking about undefensible arguments basically


OK good then let's keep talking.

On December 20 2014 12:29 Damdred wrote:
#1) I was never going to get shot during the course of this game. Their are at least 3 people ahead of me in towniness that would get shot before me 4 at the most currently. No amount of towniness would get me shot out of Palmar,Bunnies, scri etc. It just probably would not happen.

#2) The amount of people left alive is a small number after last night. There are one mafia left and one serial killer. The amount of suspects is already at a all time low because of the Marv lynch and the amount of night kills and information we can gather from that, as such the best play was to have the vigilante claim (nb did so) which took away a potential mislynch as nb was not universally town read and it took out a mafia. As the game setup goes a third power role makes the most sense and therefore I claimed which is the correct play to get as much information out their. And a bit of wifom its suicide to claim vet in this circumstance as mafia or SK, and I am not a bad player.


This is what I'm really having a hard time wrapping my head around. The daypost was posted. You refreshed, read the daypost, thought all this through, and then made a post claiming vet, all within 60 seconds?

Had you already decided to claim regardless of what news the daypost brought?
sciberbia
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1359 Posts
December 20 2014 07:03 GMT
#1251
Hm. Why were you so sure you wouldn't be shot? If I recall correctly people were speculating that YOU were the cop. Wouldn't that make you reasonably likely to be shot?

Also if you weren't necessarily planning on claiming vet, what were you planning to say about your softclaim when people asked you about it?
sciberbia
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1359 Posts
December 20 2014 07:20 GMT
#1253
##Unvote

Hm your story is plausible. Not saying I approve of the play but you have me doubting my conviction that you're scum.

On December 20 2014 04:54 Damdred wrote:
Robik is more than likely town with a really horrible (sorry rob) town read on coag, that idk if its right or not. We will find out in just a few minutes.


What did you mean by this? Did you just assume coag was going to be vig'd?
sciberbia
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1359 Posts
December 20 2014 07:34 GMT
#1255
Gah I'm really unsure of everything now. I'm inclined to agree with you damdred that kush is looking like he might actually be town. We really need another damn vigi shot so we can shoot Coag.

On December 20 2014 08:23 kushm4sta wrote:
Why would I not say that I thought damdred looked town as town? I believed my conclusion was correct. Maybe no one is going to listen to it, but it did accomplish two things.
1 bragging rights if people lynched damdred
eg. "lol i knew he was town u noobs"


Sounds like the town kush I remember. He cracks me up.

Honestly maybe we should just lynch Coag today since we're out of vigi shots, we don't want Coag living to the end of the game, and if he's town we also sure as fuck don't want him alive at LYLO
sciberbia
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1359 Posts
December 20 2014 07:44 GMT
#1256
If we don't hit scum today, we could actually be in LYLO tomorrow.

There's currently 9 alive. If we mislynch and lose two townies we are down to 6. Mislynch again and lose two townies and it comes down to mafia + SK + townie and we lost

This is making me really want to lynch Coag actually. He is a guaranteed liability. And has a reasonable chance of being scum as well.

What do you think about this line of thought damdred?
sciberbia
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1359 Posts
December 20 2014 08:02 GMT
#1258
On December 20 2014 16:48 Damdred wrote:
Well one thing that helps us a bit is that SK doesn't win with scum he has to win with himself so if we mislynch he might start hunting scum.

Either way, I think we do have one free mislynch and then it starts getting tight, and coag is the most unreadable person in the game basically at this point and there is nothing to read him on either.

I think he might be the best lynch today,

What do you think of my thought that bresh sudden change on coag and the way bresh went about trying to get him lynched looks like a bus


Hm idk. Nobody other than breshke ever showed any real interest in lynching coag, so I'm not sure that it's likely it was a "bus". In order for it to be a bus you have to actually get the person lynched and it just never looked likely yesterday that Coag was going to be the lynch. Not to be rude, but breshke was the only one pushing him and he isn't exactly a town leader

What is possible is that marv told breshke that Coag was likely going to be vig'd night 1. So therefore breshke decided to change his town read to a scumread so that he would look good when Coag flipped. So I guess a "bus" in that sense is plausible.

Really though that seems like a lot of guesswork to me. I think the best reason to think Coag is scum is marv's complete and utter lack of motivation to play the game. I could see why a marv/coag/breshke scumteam would be demoralizing, given that there was a lot of suspicion on both breshke and marv yesterday and coag obviously isn't going to carry.
sciberbia
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1359 Posts
December 20 2014 09:00 GMT
#1260
@SL
I assume bolding means you agree? So who do you think we should lynch today between damdred and coag?
sciberbia
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1359 Posts
December 20 2014 10:13 GMT
#1261
VE

Says he could be convinced to vote marv
On December 18 2014 08:45 VisceraEyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2014 07:30 Palmar wrote:
Okay let's just lynch marv.

Get on the wagon guys.

##vote marvellosity

I could be convinced to do this. He said we would play today, and I got stood the fuck up.


Then argues with bunnnies about how her logic for voting marv doesn't work. Doesn't defend marv, but he argues that there is no reason to think people like himself -- who said they could vote marv but haven't done so yet -- are scumbuddies with marv. Therefore argues that bunnies's logic for voting marv doesn't apply.

So he's arguing against voting marv without actually defending marv. And also defending people who don't vote marv.
+ Show Spoiler +

On December 18 2014 11:07 VisceraEyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2014 11:02 27ninjabunnies wrote:
On December 18 2014 10:58 VisceraEyes wrote:
On December 18 2014 10:56 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Then again, a lot of people are agreeing with lynching Marv, but only 3 people are actually voting Marv.

This makes me think that Marv is scum, and his partners don't want to vote on him, and just say "Oh yeah, I'd agree with that lynch" and if the lynch does happen and he's mafia, they have some cred as to say, oh yeah I thought he was scum.

So yeah.... the marv lynch is sounding good.

If I'm one of those people, since I said I might vote him but am not currently, does that make me mafia if you think marv is mafia? Because I'm not gonna lie, that would be hilarious.


Could be, but think about it.

Cause this is where my mind is at right now.

So we have a strong player who is being viewed as townie pushing a lynch on Marv.
Usually, you would have quite a few sheeps right?
Except no. Most people are just saying yeah they'd be up for a Marv lynch, but no one is actually jumping on it
If marv is a mislynch, I think there'd be more people voting (people including mafia) who then justify their lynch.

Except most people are just acting scared to vote Marv.

Could this be because Marv is mafia, and mafia don't want to vote off their partner?
I'm thinking so.

Therefore, I'm pushing this lynch even further, saying let's vote Marv.

This is pretty straight-forward and I understand the logic. My issue however is that this isn't video mafia, we aren't under formal and people who aren't currently voting for marv MIGHT be voting for marv by the end of the day, unlike in Video where people who aren't voting for marv....just gave him immunity. Video logic doesn't apply in this situation bby.

On December 18 2014 11:15 VisceraEyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2014 11:13 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Also, my logic there isn't even really in the video mindset.

I get it's not a formal, but why not have more votes on Marv to put pressure on him?

Instead, people are giving little contact, and not even trying to pressure reads onanyone

Because pressure votes don't work on marv and most people here (I think) know that. He'll tell you all day ury day. He doesn't afraid of anything as mafia, especially votes that are subject to change on a whim during Shenanny time (the last few hours of the day when everything is tossed out the window and the current actives decide the lynch)



Soon after he failed to convince bunnies against her logic for voting marv, I voted marv. That made the 5th vote. Very soon after that VE voted marv in the game thread but NOT in the voting thread.

On December 18 2014 11:48 VisceraEyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2014 11:34 Palmar wrote:
Free town reads for Marv voters

Yeah this is a deal at twice the price.

##Unvote
##Vote: Marv


In fact, after I pointed out to him that there is a voting thread, he voted kush in the voting thread without mentioning it in the game thread.

On December 18 2014 13:26 sciberbia wrote:
VE there's a voting thread for this game

On December 18 2014 13:39 VisceraEyes wrote:
this is in the voting thread
##Vote: kushm4sta


This is especially suspicious since kush was the most likely counterwagon to marv and earlier in the day VE said he wouldn't be voting kush
On December 17 2014 13:01 VisceraEyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2014 12:49 sicklucker wrote:
Coag sounds like another kush.

You, sir, also have acquired a day-pass from me. Unlike scib's though yours expires after today, so if you don't want to be lynched tomorrow then you should use your time wisely.


12 hours later VE comes back to the thread and it is clear marv has given up. VE finally puts his vote on marv
On December 18 2014 23:39 VisceraEyes wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote: marv


Son I am disappoint.





For a newer player or an unknown entity, this has scum written all over it. The reason I pause for thought is that it's VE. Idk is voting for scum in the game thread but a different player in the voting thread too scummy to be scum? What do you guys who have played with VE think?

sciberbia
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1359 Posts
December 20 2014 10:14 GMT
#1262
<<Palmar>> the above post is mandatory reading. When you wake up please read it and tell me what you think
sciberbia
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1359 Posts
December 20 2014 10:25 GMT
#1265
On December 20 2014 19:21 sicklucker wrote:
Good finds but I dont see where ve says he wouldn't vote kush.


Oh yea my bad. He was giving you a day pass not kush.
I don't know why the hell I thought that he'd be giving kush a day pass.

Hm I guess that's not /quite/ as bad then
sciberbia
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1359 Posts
December 20 2014 10:40 GMT
#1267
On December 20 2014 19:34 sicklucker wrote:
I think ve gets mad points for not pushing an easy lynch on me day 1 I was horrible


eh I mean he gave you a day pass 8 hours after the start of the game so he couldn't have pushed you later even if he wanted to. I don't see why him not pushing you makes him town

I'm not saying it's scumy or anything I just don't see why you think it's worth mad points

marv was scum and he defend LS (who I'm presuming is town) early in the day, right?
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