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On December 17 2014 16:41 Breshke wrote:
Do people expect him to stop playing like this? If so what do you actually plan on doing with him how long is he just going to not actually play the game.
Well I think the consensus is vigi or failing that policy lynch. If he's not shot night and we're not too sure of any scum I think he'd be a good D2 lynch.
Anyway, I guess I can buy your stances on kush and Coag. What's your read on bunnies?
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On December 17 2014 17:49 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2014 13:07 IAmRobik wrote:On December 17 2014 08:35 27ninjabunnies wrote:On December 17 2014 08:31 justanothertownie wrote:On December 17 2014 08:26 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Lemme just put this here
##Vote:Justanothertownie
No, elaborate. I deserve to laugh. I'm only on page 12, so I don't know what you've said since, but how do you go from this: On December 17 2014 05:35 justanothertownie wrote:On December 17 2014 05:33 IAmRobik wrote:On December 17 2014 05:33 justanothertownie wrote:On December 17 2014 05:31 IAmRobik wrote:
Does that mean you're already TRing me?
Do you actually TR scib?.....cause i do Directed at me? Obviously. I don't care what lightening thinks at all Charming. No, I don't townread you. To this? On December 17 2014 05:38 justanothertownie wrote:On December 17 2014 05:34 Coagulation wrote:
##vote IAmRobik
cause he posts too fucking much. This guy is voting the wrong person... Regardless of whether JAT is town or maf, this is a super townie observation from 27nb In like less than 1 page? And you never really explain any other reads. Just curious is all. It really isn't though. It is a very obvious thing to notice but while a towny should try to see it in context (and it is very easy to notice why I made that post in that case) scum is just happy to have found something that looks contradictory. Not saying that is the case here since bunnies did not seem to be very focused but it is certainly not a towny observation.
Very much agree with this.
NB is another one I'm leaning scum on. Bizzarely, the fact that everyone else thinks she is town/unreadable makes me think she might actually have the best chance of being scum. Maybe it's because her posts are on the surface agreeable which is very characteristic of decent scum players.
I'll highlight a couple reasons I'm suspicous in my next post.
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First and largest reason is this scumread on kush.
+ Show Spoiler [initially lists him as scum] +On December 17 2014 09:07 27ninjabunnies wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2014 07:52 kushm4sta wrote:On December 17 2014 07:49 LightningStrike wrote:
Kush what you thinking atm other then the songs? on page 9 Where you at now? On December 17 2014 09:09 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Okay, I like lists posts. Deal with it.
Here's where I'm at so far.
Town
Robik
LS
Me
JAT
Null
Palm
Coag
Marv
VE
Scum
Breshke- Though, there is one post that I really like that might actually move him to null for me, but all his other posts were shit.
Kush
SL
I think that about covers it right? Yeah. I think Im missing like 2 people on this list out of like the thirteen.
Damn, my day 1 reads just keep getting better.
Also ##Unvote
I could be wrong, but it doesn't seem like her scumread on kush is trolling here. In order to be trolling you have to be doing something that you and other people will find entertaining. Like making a funny comment or putting a  face. Just including a lurker's name in a scumlist hardly qualifies as funny. Did anyone think she was trolling when she made this post?
After bunnies leaves the thread, Palmar notes that her scumread on Kush is rather hard to justify. Bunnies response:
On December 17 2014 14:53 27ninjabunnies wrote:
As for my kush read, I call kush mafia atleast once every game we play. Plus his, I'm on page 9 post was super scummy.
Now she has sorta backed off by saying she always calls kush mafia, but still maintains that one of his posts was scummy (unless maybe this is sarcasm? I'm not sure but I don't think so).
I pressed her further concerning kush, and from what I can surmise, she now claims that his posting so far (or lack thereof) is null, and that her original read was just her trolling. But like I said earlier, including a lurker's name in your scumlist is a pretty lame troll.
+ Show Spoiler [claims she was trolling] +On December 17 2014 15:29 27ninjabunnies wrote:
As for the other two posts, I'm not sure what I think. I don't really remember much from Kush's games I've played with him. But I do know that he does contribute sometimes as mafia, so I feel that kush not actually contributing depends on what he isn't contributing, not the fact that he isn't contributing. If that makes sense?
On December 17 2014 15:47 27ninjabunnies wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2014 15:39 sciberbia wrote:On December 17 2014 15:29 27ninjabunnies wrote:
As for breshke's read, maybe he's played more games with Kush than I have? Idk.
But if he's saying that kush is useless and should be lynched, wouldn't that imply Coag should be lynched too?
But at first he's all for calling Coag town.
To me it looks like he's saying that kush should not be lynched even though kush has been useless and kush is generally only useless as scum, which doesn't make any sense. Maybe I'm misreading. I'd be interested to hear other opinions on this. On December 17 2014 15:29 27ninjabunnies wrote:
As for the other two posts, I'm not sure what I think. I don't really remember much from Kush's games I've played with him. But I do know that he does contribute sometimes as mafia, so I feel that kush not actually contributing depends on what he isn't contributing, not the fact that he isn't contributing. If that makes sense?
So you think the mere fact that kush hasn't contributed is null? Do you find the actual content of his two posts scummy? My scum read on kush was such a troll read, tbh. I find it funny that pregame he said he was gonna spend more time on this game, and then has only contributed 2 posts, both which have absolutely no content.
Second, she writes a case on breshke and basically rehashes what has already been said by others regarding his scumread on Coag and by Robik regarding that post at the end of the case.
+ Show Spoiler [case on breshke] +On December 17 2014 15:09 27ninjabunnies wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2014 15:01 sciberbia wrote:On December 17 2014 09:09 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Scum
Breshke- Though, there is one post that I really like that might actually move him to null for me
@bunnies What was the post from Breshke that you really liked? What I didn't like about him, which put him in my scum pile was this: Show nested quote +On December 17 2014 05:52 Breshke wrote:
I have never played with him but i think coag is town for how little he cares He goes from seeing Coag as townie for his not caring, but when there is pressure on LS for his roleclaim, he tries to put more scum on Coag. Show nested quote +On December 17 2014 06:58 Breshke wrote:
##Vote: Coagulation
Could i get some reads from you? And in one of the above posts where he's like, Why does Coag get a town pass? And this post Show nested quote +On December 17 2014 07:21 Breshke wrote:On December 17 2014 07:17 justanothertownie wrote:On December 17 2014 07:15 Breshke wrote:On December 17 2014 07:00 IAmRobik wrote:On December 17 2014 06:58 marvellosity wrote:On December 17 2014 06:57 LightningStrike wrote:On December 17 2014 06:54 IAmRobik wrote:
WTF are you doing. Stop defending him Breshke knows my meta and he making some good points so I got to say he is Town with me. ever thought that a mafia breshke would also know your meta and with perfect information would be able to make those points really easily? ^^ Ever think that Breshke's points had ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with LS's meta and were just really blankety statements about what mafia would or wouldn't do? This is true i don't pretend to know a lot about anyones meta really. I have played 2 games with LS that is ahrdly enough for meta. Yeah i think he plays scared and timid but my main reason for him to be town right now is the way he claimed VT. JAT was right when he said anyone would claim VT but look at the way he claimed it. He had been pressured about his role a couple posts earlier and didn't claim it but then just randomly he says it without people even noticing. If he was scum i think he makes it more obvious so people actually realize what he is saying because he wants people to see what he is saying. Why arn't more people voting coag. Your first problem with me robik was that iw asn't contributing anything why are you still happy to give coag a pass. No scummer in this universe believes that claiming VT will relieve pressure. Why is coag scum? Is this missing a comma because it reads like you are agreeing with me? A large majority of his posts a songs. He is being townread by robik who is one of the people leading the thread at the moment. What he is doing, while in theme, is spamming up the thread without actually contributing anything. Without contributing anything he has nothing to make himself look bad later. As town he would actually be posting words to help us find mafia. Why does it matter that he is being town read by Robik? Unless Breshke views Robik as mafia and is trying to make a connection. There's just a bunch of inconsistencies with his posts about Coag.
I'd have no problem with her just saying I agree to what's already been said. But rehashing old stuff is typical of mafia trying to look like they are contributing.
Lastly, maybe nobody else buys into this, but I find it suspicious when a player pops quickly in and out of the thread without engaging in too much discussion. She entered the thread, dropped a few posts and left. A few hours later, entered, dropped a few posts and left.
Actually feeling better about her being scum than anyone else right now. Will probably vote her before I go to bed.
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On December 17 2014 18:20 Palmar wrote:
I kinda wanna lynch sciberbia.
Hi Palmar. Why do you wanna lynch me?
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On December 17 2014 19:00 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2014 18:52 sciberbia wrote:On December 17 2014 18:20 Palmar wrote:
I kinda wanna lynch sciberbia. Hi Palmar. Why do you wanna lynch me? I'm not sure yet. Let me see if there is an actual reason to do it.
Well I'm going to bed soon so if you want to discuss anything with me then get a move on.
Also, what do you think of my post on ninjabunnies?
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marv, have you played with sicklucker before? How concerning do you find his filter this game?
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Hey guys I'm catching up. People I might be interested in lynching are
marv, damdred, bunnies, kush, sicklucker, and breshke
Going to reread filters and narrow it down. I'll be around so let me know if there's anything you want to discuss.
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sounds like a good deal
##Unvote
##Vote: marvellosity
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On December 18 2014 10:54 27ninjabunnies wrote:
SL looked pretty defensive even though there were no votes on him. Not sure if this is townie or scummy?
What do you guys think?
Can you point me to some specific posts? SL is weird.. kinda think he is town though
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On December 18 2014 11:52 Damdred wrote:Case on SL boils down to this (to me) He misrepresents certain things to make me look scummy. His reads have no backing behind them and are just one word. Most of them come out of the blue and do not change over time,the most telling of this is LS read which he did not even develop into just sheeped onto someone elses towncase. Complains about people poking at newer people but can't say why what they are doing is bad. Is not really scum hunting at all it seems. On Marv: Hes not being marv, not really giving much thoughts and his filter is really small for so far into d1 
The underlined is not true. In fact his reads changing over time is a big reason I'm leaning town on him+ Show Spoiler +. In fact in the very next sentence you mention his read on LS which went from null to towny after he my post on LS.
On December 18 2014 07:57 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2014 06:05 sicklucker wrote:I think dandreds a really good lynch. Hes a pretty weak mafia. I know this from that game we played against you ve. Like ive been on his team I know how he functions. He trys to keep a low radar and tunnel on one person I think thats what hes doing here. Hes barely given a read besides me.I also read dandred really well ive said this multiple times and have staked previous games on him being town, while being ride or die with him. I think its super logical a mafia dandred tunnels me, he thinks im a weak town player which is probably true(see his pregame post) and he knows I do read him well as weve been in every game together always on the same team On December 16 2014 11:00 Damdred wrote:
SL is gin to be policy lynched this game Like you aren't even telling people why im' scum in any of your posts you are just saying that you can read me well but don't show anything why i'm actually scum you just drop it.
This is also not true. In the post you are quoting he says exactly why he thinks you are scum and the reason he gives is perfectly reasonable. It looks to me like you are misrepresnting him and not the other way around.
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On December 18 2014 11:44 27ninjabunnies wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2014 11:39 sciberbia wrote:On December 18 2014 10:54 27ninjabunnies wrote:
SL looked pretty defensive even though there were no votes on him. Not sure if this is townie or scummy?
What do you guys think? Can you point me to some specific posts? SL is weird.. kinda think he is town though Look at most of pages 36 and 37
eh i mean you and damdred were calling him scum so it doesn't seem weird to me that he defends himself. I agree with VE that you overstate the importance of votes.
Couple things on those pages that make me think town
+ Show Spoiler [concerned with vets] +On December 18 2014 05:28 sicklucker wrote:
Why cant we lynch players like jat or robik as an example why is everyone listing only the weaker players on their kill list. Im more scared of the good players being mafia. players like breske and dandred would be super easy to figure out as mafia as the game goes on. Guys like robik not so much.
Im not saying to lynch them if you dont scum read them. Im asking why dont you want to lynch them if you scum read them.
So far alot of players have listed the same players as who they would lynch and its mostly new players. On December 18 2014 05:33 sicklucker wrote:
Like I agree I dont have a good reason yet. But ill be watching them since no one else seems to be.
On December 18 2014 07:08 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2014 12:58 VisceraEyes wrote:
Yo I'm never EVER lynching Scib this game. Just sayin. I like that almost all of his posts try to figure out the hard part of the game. (the vets and not focusing on the easy to read and mislynch newer players) Oh and his vote is on dandred.
I sympathize with his desire to determine the vet's alignment moreso than newer players because I felt much the same when I was newer at mafia. It's the "hard" / "interesting" part of the game. He maintains good consistency in this attitude throughout his filter so it's more likely to be genuine.
+ Show Spoiler [changing his reads] +On December 18 2014 05:35 sicklucker wrote:
And coug dandred brought up a good point hes tunneling me not you. I wouldnt lynch dandred yet. On December 18 2014 05:45 sicklucker wrote:
Altho robiks town list is actually pretty good, I actually agree with it so hes looking alot better in my eyes. I just dont like that he leaves off the big qeustion marks like marv and jat but your answer makes sense im not slight scum reading you anymore
On December 18 2014 05:49 sicklucker wrote:
Ive listed people and dandred scum read me for it. Now that I remember that was actually really scummy.
Town palmar, ls ,scib
kinda like robik now tbh I know im gonna look bad for it shoulda read his town reads more closely.
leaning scum breske dandred. I take back not lynching dandred today, I forgot how bad his case against me was after my 1 hour sleep.
I also like when players, especially newer ones, spontaenously change their reads in the thread. Scum tend to be calculating and make plans, such as "I will push players X and Y today while defending player Z." Townies are more spontaneous.
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On December 18 2014 11:56 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2014 11:38 sciberbia wrote:
sounds like a good deal
##Unvote
##Vote: marvellosity Did you look at all of those filters and how is your scum list coming
SL: leaning town see above
you: leaning scum but I see a few redeeming qualities
marv: leaning scum with no redeeming qualities
still have to reread bunnies, breshke
not much to say on kush
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On December 18 2014 11:43 Breshke wrote:
Can someone explain this wagon on marv a bit more i dont get it. He has done nothing this game but basically call me scum but there is others who have also done nothing. Is it expected that a town marv wouldn't play like this but a town kush would? Like i honestly don't know I have never played with marv before.
free townreads man what's not to get. Honestly though, if neither kush nor marv post again before the end of the day, I'd probably vote kush over marv
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On December 18 2014 12:20 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2014 12:12 sciberbia wrote:On December 18 2014 11:52 Damdred wrote:Case on SL boils down to this (to me) He misrepresents certain things to make me look scummy. His reads have no backing behind them and are just one word. Most of them come out of the blue and do not change over time,the most telling of this is LS read which he did not even develop into just sheeped onto someone elses towncase. Complains about people poking at newer people but can't say why what they are doing is bad. Is not really scum hunting at all it seems. On Marv: Hes not being marv, not really giving much thoughts and his filter is really small for so far into d1 The underlined is not true. In fact his reads changing over time is a big reason I'm leaning town on him + Show Spoiler +. In fact in the very next sentence you mention his read on LS which went from null to towny after he my post on LS. On December 18 2014 07:57 Damdred wrote:On December 18 2014 06:05 sicklucker wrote:I think dandreds a really good lynch. Hes a pretty weak mafia. I know this from that game we played against you ve. Like ive been on his team I know how he functions. He trys to keep a low radar and tunnel on one person I think thats what hes doing here. Hes barely given a read besides me.I also read dandred really well ive said this multiple times and have staked previous games on him being town, while being ride or die with him. I think its super logical a mafia dandred tunnels me, he thinks im a weak town player which is probably true(see his pregame post) and he knows I do read him well as weve been in every game together always on the same team On December 16 2014 11:00 Damdred wrote:
SL is gin to be policy lynched this game Like you aren't even telling people why im' scum in any of your posts you are just saying that you can read me well but don't show anything why i'm actually scum you just drop it. This is also not true. In the post you are quoting he says exactly why he thinks you are scum and the reason he gives is perfectly reasonable. It looks to me like you are misrepresnting him and not the other way around. ...His read sporadically changed to sheeping you from a town case you made. That is not developing a read, thats sheeping an ok post out of nothing. His reads haven't really changed but we will be arguing semantics as I will hold that he is not doing anything or scum hunting on this point. And no hes not explaining why I am scum, he is trying to show meta wise why I am scum when he is doing nothing of the sort. He is taking one game out of many where I have been scum and I was being super lazy, so no his reasoning is not good and its horrible.
@Damdred
Well idk how you define changing/developing reads, but to me it looks like the only reads he hasn't changed over the course of the game are the palmar one and possibly the sciberbia one.
What is horrible about his argument that you are scum? He said you have been under the radar this game, and that you are mainly tunneling one person. Meta arguments aside, both of those are scum traits, and I would contend both are reasonable descriptions of your play this game. Do you disagree?
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well the fact that you keep talking yourself up reflects well on you I guess.
has anything that's been said by or about SL recently changed your opinion on him? How confident are you currently that he is scum?
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On December 18 2014 12:59 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2014 12:48 sciberbia wrote:
well the fact that you keep talking yourself up reflects well on you I guess.
has anything that's been said by or about SL recently changed your opinion on him? How confident are you currently that he is scum? I'm not getting the same thing you are with the quote stream about robik, he said things, he got pressured about it then backed off. I do not get a towny vibe from that at all, the only thing he has somewhat stuck to is scum reading me (which he doesn't have his vote on) and policy lynching kush until kush plays. So no nothing is really changing my read on him currently. 72% right now
See before you were upset because his reads weren't changing, but now that I've pointed out that his reads are in fact changing, you are upset because there is only 1 thing he has stuck to.
I'm not saying SL is definitely town, but the feeling I'm getting from you is that you're going to call him scum regardless of what he posts or any points that anyone else brings up in his defense.
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VE there's a voting thread for this game
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On December 18 2014 13:26 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2014 13:20 sciberbia wrote:On December 18 2014 12:59 Damdred wrote:On December 18 2014 12:48 sciberbia wrote:
well the fact that you keep talking yourself up reflects well on you I guess.
has anything that's been said by or about SL recently changed your opinion on him? How confident are you currently that he is scum? I'm not getting the same thing you are with the quote stream about robik, he said things, he got pressured about it then backed off. I do not get a towny vibe from that at all, the only thing he has somewhat stuck to is scum reading me (which he doesn't have his vote on) and policy lynching kush until kush plays. So no nothing is really changing my read on him currently. 72% right now See before you were upset because his reads weren't changing, but now that I've pointed out that his reads are in fact changing, you are upset because there is only 1 thing he has stuck to. I'm not saying SL is definitely town, but the feeling I'm getting from you is that you're going to call him scum regardless of what he posts or any points that anyone else brings up in his defense. But you are intent on hard defending him no matter what and twn reading him for no reason what so ever. In the context of the post the only thing he stuck to under a small amount of pressure was scum reading me. His town reads over the large didn't get him pressure. I"ll town read sl when he shows that he is town i'm not afraid to change reads ya know
Man if you are town we think about this game completely differently.
I'm going to stop thinking about the damdred vs SL storyline for now. I'd like to see you both make some cases on suspects other than each other. There's more than 1 scum in this game
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@SL
I do agree with damdred that we need to see more from you. Popping in and out with one-liners and moving your vote around is not sufficient. Why don't you answer Breshke's question about why you are leaning scum on him?
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On December 18 2014 00:17 27ninjabunnies wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2014 00:05 LightningStrike wrote:
I just found your post by filter diving you ninja so I do believe you but you but in that same post you said that the scum read on kush was troll from you which seems to be odd to put those two things in that post. Can you explain why you put both of the things there in the single post please. Because I condense all my thoughts in one post. Or atleast try to. It was a troll vote, but more so to get Kush to talk.But kush hasnt talked. Kinda boring. Plus, like I said, I call kush mafia every game. I think he's been mafia like once or twice. I'm just waiting on him to actually do something.
@bunnies
You never voted Kush - you included his name in the scum section of your first list post back at the start of the game. Did you really think that was going to get kush to contribute more?
What was the purpose of including his name in the scum section there?
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