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+ Show Spoiler [stop talking about this] +As I said though, it's easy as hell for me to look towny/not get lynched. Yeah it's kinda nice to actually be able to mostly control your own fate in a game where 10-13 people are gunning for your head, but since I've been able to do mostly all along it just doesn't do it for me anymore.
GB/marv I had zero intention of that being alignment indicative in any way so I'm not going to comment on it.
How do you read HF? You don't. Just fucking lynch him to be safe.
On November 28 2014 10:34 geript wrote:
Wubby can we get on the same page? Like all I want from you is to participate. You hate lurkers just as much as I do. Like you doing idk wtf you were doing is and was super annoying. Like I'm not even quite sure what your exact read on me is.
You're right that HF could be mafia here, but it's pretty impossible to tell until he makes a push to lynch. I'm actually kinda tempted to lynch Dandred as a measure of HF. Like can't you at least give 3 straight forward reads so we can get a read on you.
Why haven't you done stuff in forever? I think you were one of the people with townreads on JAT/HF. Care to explain why? I'll get on my own reads shortly.
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And how does lynching Damdred tell us anything about HF?
Like not only is that a terrible way to get a read on somebody, but if Damdred flips scum HF could still be town or scum.
My read on you is still town if it wasn't evident from my earlier post but I dunno you've been coasting for a little too long.
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Ugh GB I remember thinking you were really good but that spoilered section...jeez.
I didn't ask to be replaced and CAN WE PLEASE STOP TALKING ABOUT THIS.
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On November 28 2014 10:56 marvellosity wrote:
no we can't, because it's relevant to a read on GB currently. He's pushing some ridiculous shit right now.
Yeah and he pushed some ridiculous shit earlier as I recall.
Oh I also remember what I didn't like about Sn0, but I think someone else mentioned it as well. He was constantly and consistently shitting on things. A scum more often than town thing.
Also not a fan of GB's constant apologizing/making excuses for things---GB I could SWEAR you are usually more confident/a stronger player than this.
On November 27 2014 12:58 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On November 27 2014 12:55 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Gb, serious question: how do you go from me being "unreadable" in one game to me being town in another because of contribution?
You are hard to read. I've only discovered a way to read you after hearthstone, mostly. But anyway, I'm analysing you post objectively. It sues Serbs that it's coming from a town perspective. I'm really going to sleep now m. 
On November 27 2014 20:48 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On November 27 2014 20:46 Holyflare wrote:
Why did you only comment on my part about jat and then say it's completely null but then avoided sn0?whole paragraph said nothing really
Hm, sorry, I may have missed it. I was very sleepy.I'm gonna read your post again, but I don't believe Sno has got anything indicative yet. Just started the game with jokes, which is also null
On November 27 2014 21:09 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On November 27 2014 21:06 justanothertownie wrote:On November 27 2014 21:02 GlowingBear wrote:On November 27 2014 21:00 justanothertownie wrote:On November 27 2014 20:34 GlowingBear wrote:On November 27 2014 20:30 marvellosity wrote:rayn and GB. Hopefully rayn's about to shout at me about it   I understand your mafia motivation to shoot us Implying you think rayn is town? Nah, implying the only way marv could be wanting to shoot me is from a mafia perspective Fine. What IS your read on rayn though?
I haven't got much. I don't really like the reason he is pushing you, but I believe he is just pushing to get you talking, and that's mostly townie. Same with HF. I don't really believe he has that solid scum read on you.
On November 27 2014 22:53 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On November 27 2014 22:51 Holyflare wrote:On November 27 2014 22:48 GlowingBear wrote:What do you think of WoS? Having this pre game post in mind, I find his play underwhelming too. On November 25 2014 04:50 WaveofShadow wrote:On November 25 2014 02:29 marvellosity wrote:On November 25 2014 02:24 WaveofShadow wrote:
Trying to get one of jat/hf/marv lynched seems like way too much effort, and being on a scum team against that is also more effort than I think I want to give. so effectively you're too much of a pussy to play with competent players who fight their corner. Gotcha You're such a QT marv Edit: no but seriously it's more because I put shit tons of effort into every game in general and in the end it's either useless because A) my reads are fucking terrible and no amount of effort ever seems to change that B) my scum team roflstomps the town and I probably didn't need to try as hard as I did to do so. Either way it amounts me to spending waaayyy too much time on mafia for very little tangible reward other than kinda fucking me over RL-wise. If I knew how to limit myself when in a game I'd try that but I don't really. is there literally anything you are gaining out of all of these asinine questions on players that haven't played the game yet? wave has done nothing I'm planning on making this thread happen. Because it's page 23 and it didn't happen until now.
I mean he did have the above which was more confident-sounding but it was also kind of awkward.
I dunno.
Don't feel great about him but I still really want HF dead. And yes, I am dead serious about that even as I know it is unlikely to happen (or at the very least, unlikely to happen because of me).
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On November 28 2014 11:02 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2014 10:58 marvellosity wrote:
almost anything is possible, doesn't mean it's remotely likely in any way It's likely. Your discussion with WoS had nothing prolific to town. All it was was you saying WoS is scum because he is demotivated and WoS saying that your ego is boring, over and over again. The. You Unvote him because he is demotivated. Makes no sense.Also marv, I have seen very active, but I haven't seen you actually trying to solve the game. You're just engaging arguments for the sake of arguing, but not drawing any conclusions. Also, when Superbia pushed me, you felt he was town but you were not convinced with what he brought. It means you're kinda hesitating into reading me as scum. Instead of pushing me or him, you engaged an useless discussion with WoS. I kept discussing with Superbia but you didn't seem to care. It's strange, though, because you are not certain of my alignment.
That's not at all what happened, really.
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On November 28 2014 11:05 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2014 10:46 WaveofShadow wrote:+ Show Spoiler [stop talking about this] +As I said though, it's easy as hell for me to look towny/not get lynched. Yeah it's kinda nice to actually be able to mostly control your own fate in a game where 10-13 people are gunning for your head, but since I've been able to do mostly all along it just doesn't do it for me anymore. GB/marv I had zero intention of that being alignment indicative in any way so I'm not going to comment on it. How do you read HF? You don't. Just fucking lynch him to be safe. On November 28 2014 10:34 geript wrote:
Wubby can we get on the same page? Like all I want from you is to participate. You hate lurkers just as much as I do. Like you doing idk wtf you were doing is and was super annoying. Like I'm not even quite sure what your exact read on me is.
You're right that HF could be mafia here, but it's pretty impossible to tell until he makes a push to lynch. I'm actually kinda tempted to lynch Dandred as a measure of HF. Like can't you at least give 3 straight forward reads so we can get a read on you. Why haven't you done stuff in forever? I think you were one of the people with townreads on JAT/HF. Care to explain why? I'll get on my own reads shortly. I'm dog sitting for a friend. Both dogs I've known since about a year old. Both are really affectionate. One has hip problems so she needs specific, pills, exercise and massage. So I usually don't have a free hand unless they're napping.
kk well we'll talk when you can.
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On November 28 2014 11:09 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2014 11:02 GlowingBear wrote:On November 28 2014 10:58 marvellosity wrote:
almost anything is possible, doesn't mean it's remotely likely in any way It's likely. Your discussion with WoS had nothing prolific to town. All it was was you saying WoS is scum because he is demotivated and WoS saying that your ego is boring, over and over again. The. You Unvote him because he is demotivated. Makes no sense. Also marv, I have seen very active, but I haven't seen you actually trying to solve the game. You're just engaging arguments for the sake of arguing, but not drawing any conclusions. Also, when Superbia pushed me, you felt he was town but you were not convinced with what he brought. It means you're kinda hesitating into reading me as scum. Instead of pushing me or him, you engaged an useless discussion with WoS. I kept discussing with Superbia but you didn't seem to care. It's strange, though, because you are not certain of my alignment. I disagree. Wave is I don't know lie he doesn't live so he gets to be pretty easy to read a lot of times. I've actually found waves posting to be pretty useful and indicative but I think it's town. Will unvote when I can.
I don't know what you just said but I think I liked it?
I still wouldn't mind explanations as to the votes on me though. Geript did you actually think I was scum?
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On November 28 2014 11:27 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2014 11:12 WaveofShadow wrote:On November 28 2014 11:09 geript wrote:On November 28 2014 11:02 GlowingBear wrote:On November 28 2014 10:58 marvellosity wrote:
almost anything is possible, doesn't mean it's remotely likely in any way It's likely. Your discussion with WoS had nothing prolific to town. All it was was you saying WoS is scum because he is demotivated and WoS saying that your ego is boring, over and over again. The. You Unvote him because he is demotivated. Makes no sense. Also marv, I have seen very active, but I haven't seen you actually trying to solve the game. You're just engaging arguments for the sake of arguing, but not drawing any conclusions. Also, when Superbia pushed me, you felt he was town but you were not convinced with what he brought. It means you're kinda hesitating into reading me as scum. Instead of pushing me or him, you engaged an useless discussion with WoS. I kept discussing with Superbia but you didn't seem to care. It's strange, though, because you are not certain of my alignment. I disagree. Wave is I don't know lie he doesn't live so he gets to be pretty easy to read a lot of times. I've actually found waves posting to be pretty useful and indicative but I think it's town. Will unvote when I can. I don't know what you just said but I think I liked it? I still wouldn't mind explanations as to the votes on me though. Geript did you actually think I was scum? No. I had no strong inclination as to what you were. I found it weird that you were doing nothing. Like usually you do something. I didn't think Marv wanted to lynch you either. I just figured it would light a fire and if it didn't then no loss.
And what about the other person who voted me?
Lemme know what you want to discuss if anything.
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On November 28 2014 11:41 geript wrote:
Right now I'm thinking about GB. He had the early tow read on Obi that seemed meh. The recent stuff of his has bugged me too but that was from following instead of reading so I want to catch up on that. Damdrd kinda bugs me because he's a bit more active as town and I think he'd be super excited to play and post if Elvis rolled town. Palmer is palmering. I know I'm forgetting other stuff.
What do you think of HF?
The bolded is kinda interesting though usually I'm not a fan of reads like that. Still gonna wait for him to post obvs.
GB hasn't looked great for most of this game it seems. Don't know what to make of it really.
HF could truly be either alignment; in his case almost everything he has done could come from him as either. I want to remove him from the equation because if we don't get rid of him now, he's going to stick around (scum won't kill him if town because there are higher priority targets atm and he is VERY difficult to lynch if scum).
One of the first things JAT said resonated with me (even though I don't trust JAT either):
On November 27 2014 18:19 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On November 27 2014 08:51 Holyflare wrote:On November 26 2014 23:17 justanothertownie wrote:
Disclaimer: I won't be able to be as active as I was in FFL 2 which was ridiculous. I am currently working fulltime and all I had to do while that game happened was studying at home. The deadline is generally really really nice but I might miss it during the weekend. only time he can't make deadlines are weekends deadline is really really nice where is jat? answer is mafialand qqing that he rolled mafia in here with a full time job Show nested quote +On November 27 2014 10:20 Holyflare wrote:
how do I not have a case on either?
One player said the deadlines were PERFECT for him and then didn't turn up when ordinarily he'd be enthusiastic about the game starting and at least post something.
Another player literally didn't want to comment on anything I said and has only talked about russia (which is fine on its own) but he was all defensive when I told him to comment on it or he was next 1) Since when am I afraid to post as scum? Horseshit. The lineup in heavyweight wasn't really that much worse than this one. 2) If I was there in the mafia qt why would I not simply post something in the thread. Ah, I forgot. Cos I'm afraid... 3) I wasn't around for game start in several of my towngames. The only thing you can conclude from that is that I am absent/asleep whatever. Yes, I said the deadline is nice for me. Because it is. Often times deadline is much later than this midnight deadline for me. It makes it possible to stay up when it gets important but I don't see why you think I would keep myself awake after midnight just for the start of the game. Show nested quote +On November 27 2014 10:27 Holyflare wrote:On November 27 2014 10:24 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
1) Meh. Mafia always want to open early anyway since it becomes harder to open the longer the game goes on, so I don't see how you can draw such a definitive conclusion about someone not being here early. At the very least, this is how I would do it, so I don't put much stock into it.
2) Defensiveness isn't really a scumtell when you're threatening to lynch people off of very little. I fail to see how what you said dictates his alignment. not when role pm's get sent out an hour early because that's a whole hour of a mafia pm being left to sink in and so he'd just give up and go to bed early at rolling mafia in this probably stacked gamei'm almost positive the first message in the qt is like "we're so fucked" look at your response, i ask you to comment on something you are reluctant but end up doing it anyway look at his response, i ask him to comment on it and he gives a VERY generic "i dont vote on ANYONE EVER early" response and then criticises me and leaves what good natured towny wants to shut down any productive discussion even if it's misplaced? the answer is no good natured towny ever I am not believing for a second that this is your read on me. Show nested quote +On November 27 2014 11:11 Holyflare wrote:On November 27 2014 11:00 geript wrote:
No my question is valid HF. Do you really think there's a scum team that doesn't include any of those 5? Like there's at least 6 people in this game who are wholly capable of hard carrying as scum. Odds of no vets being mafia, aka scrub scum team, is quite low. idk if shaopi rng's or get balances. Like there are only a handful of people who shit bricks when they roll mafia.
Look HF. I'm not saying your point on him not being around considering deadline isn't interesting. My point is the scared shitless argument is crap and you know it. no it's irrelevant because unless all the vets are mafia they will be against some vets and therefore be fucked if i was mafia with marv/me/wave or w/e i would still say fuck this shit as soon as i entered and be super demotivated and i probably would have just gone to bed, heck just look at all the pre-game hype about people wanting to not roll mafiathe "we're fucked" thing is totally not the point I am making at all it was just to counter obi's trivial point about jat being motivated to post as mafia when that wouldn't probably be the case at all with pm's an hour+ before deadlines I also don't believe this at all. So Holyflare is pushing something that isn't scummy really hard here. If he keeps doing that then he is probably mafia by his own selfmeta. Oh, btw. don't you think that is much more scummy to be here in the thread without posting anything even remotely useful than to be completely absent? Like marv did for example?
Yes, this post is all defense and the beginning of a stupid shitfight with HF, but it's mostly true. ESPECIALLY the part where he says he doesn't believe HF's read of him.
If you'll recall I said:
On November 27 2014 10:13 WaveofShadow wrote:
You're trying too hard bbygrl
As far as forced things go, this whole deal of his looked SUPER forced. Of course the problem becomes HF can certainly do that shit as town, and what does it hope to gain him as scum? On the other hand there are definitely blatant lies within HF's early posting (such has himself being demotivated if he rolled scum---yeah he gets a little annoyed sometimes but ALWAYS plays it out. Like me. And he would NEVER let it show in thread.) Same problem though---I've seen him lie as town before (can't remember if he's aware he is doing it or not even when I point it out to him.)
Again conclusion is I don't feel like delving into this shit and we should be lynching him.
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Oh yeah, and I forgot about palmar. I could totally see last second shenannies magically flying over to him at the end of the day and I'm not sure if I like that idea or not.
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On November 28 2014 11:55 geript wrote:
I think HF has a decent shot at being town. Like he's really easy to read once he gets around to pushing a lynch. I don't think he's the lynch for today.
Of course he does.
He also has a decent shot at being scum and it's the latter that's particularly dangerous. I'm not sure where you get 'really easy to read' though considering I don't think he's ever been lynched as scum.
Like ever.
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On November 28 2014 12:01 geript wrote:
JAT and GB seem really weird to me. Like jat's whole response re: Ryan's response seems nonsensical. Like he's more concerned with how people (specifically Marv) see him rather than proving things one way or another. It reminds me of panicked thinking more than "I've caught obv scum lying."
A lot of people get concerned over how people see them. I get like that as both alignments.
And as for HF, I politely call horseshit, because I've heard you say things like that before. Hell, I've heard marv say things like that before and be wrong. And this isn't even a case where I'm going to say 'I'll believe it when I see it,' because I've seen HF run away with a game too many times to let it continue to slide or wait and see. This also goes for all the other people who are perfectly content to leave him alone. I meant this when I said it the last game HF won as scum. I want him lynched. It's the absolute safest play considering how often he can solely win a game for his team.
+ Show Spoiler +I've also heard Rayn say things like that before all the time and it basically means he is wrong 
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On November 28 2014 12:05 GlowingBear wrote:
Btw WoS sounds completely different from the guilty mafia WoS. You're subduing much more townish here.
It's marv I'm not liking.
Pls you don't know what I sound like as mafia. You only caught me in Guilty due to host error and process of elimination.
(And stupid fucking Robik).
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On November 28 2014 12:08 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2014 12:07 WaveofShadow wrote:On November 28 2014 12:05 GlowingBear wrote:
Btw WoS sounds completely different from the guilty mafia WoS. You're subduing much more townish here.
It's marv I'm not liking. Pls you don't know what I sound like as mafia. You only caught me in Guilty due to host error and process of elimination. (And stupid fucking Robik). I'm saying that you sound different from that game. If I caught you or not is not in question
And what about me sounds different?
You sound different too, and in that game you were town.
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Yeah don't like that the lynch is naturally gravitating to sent/gb/sn0 even if there are scum amongst them because they seem like the 'auto-choices' if that makes any sense.
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On November 28 2014 12:49 Damdred wrote:
@GB, when you get back talk to me more about your marv misgivings there really isn't much in your filter about why hes scummy besides you don't see him trying to solve the game in the way you want him to. Could you point out some things in his filter to me that you think points to scum marv and a scum mindset rather than town marv?
@Wave, Who would you want to lynch right now if you could and all of us would sheep you onto it?
Are you caught up?
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On November 28 2014 13:16 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2014 13:13 WaveofShadow wrote:On November 28 2014 12:49 Damdred wrote:
@GB, when you get back talk to me more about your marv misgivings there really isn't much in your filter about why hes scummy besides you don't see him trying to solve the game in the way you want him to. Could you point out some things in his filter to me that you think points to scum marv and a scum mindset rather than town marv?
@Wave, Who would you want to lynch right now if you could and all of us would sheep you onto it? Are you caught up? I powered through the thread so I could of missed something or forgotten it but yes I am
Well you should definitely know the answer to the question you asked me then.
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On November 28 2014 13:31 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2014 13:21 Damdred wrote:On November 28 2014 13:18 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On November 28 2014 13:12 Damdred wrote:
You can check with this host if he has a problem, I personally don't care as long as the flip happens since then my play is public knowledge.
I chose you sno and GB. GB has played oddly by his standards but has a few staples of his town play.
Sno reacted strangely to pressure but seemed genuinely frustrated at the way he was being read and treated by some players.
You on the other hand sent have taken almost no pressure becaue you have steered clear of almost everything and turned most of everything into a joke. Its not so much that you have been absent from the thread for the first 24 hours, its clear from your filter that you were here during some of the decent moments during the thread, but you didn't give your opinons on them and you seemed pretty wishy washy, you still haven't given reads besides pressuring elvis which you have now retreated on and we stiill have no idea what you found out from the pressure.
Why aren't you still pressuring? You can't have gained much insight into my alignment and its pretty obvious that you disagreed with what I came up with and view it was easy lynches perhaps? So why not keep pressuring me instead of retreating? I didn't find out anything. He left and I have one game of evidence to base him on. The fact of the matter is, I don't give a shit about D1. No matter what, if you think the slot is scummy the slot is scummy yes? I think I have about 14 games probably posted in the archives now probably, 5-6 are scum, good sample size Well i suck at d1 but I know its important, so who would you lynch right now then what are your reads sent Well if I was a vig I'd shoot you on the hunch that Elvis's different posting and you looking like you're taking the easy way out with your reads means you filled in the scum slot. There's of course the case where you're town, but I'll consider that when I get home. I like JAT because the stick shoved three feet up his ass is securely in place, which at least gives him consistency points. That's all I got rn
See I'm not the only one.
And whereas that used to be my go-to tell for him, I'm not sure it works so solidly anymore. You're welcome to prove to me that it does though.
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I think I'd be more interested in knowing why he singled out you and HF when talking to JAT in the first place.
I dunno SN0 is probably a good lynch but I really don't feel like backing down from HF.
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