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Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
December 02 2014 23:31 GMT
#1676
Digging for more...and imagining a world where Bats is scum...if anything you think is off, let me know.

Onwards...
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
December 02 2014 23:43 GMT
#1680
I'm pulling out now a massive thing of quotes that go into detail of LS's reads/scumlists.

Day #1 - Votes No Lynch, then votes DSMI

On November 26 2014 06:15 LightningStrike wrote:
I was just wating for more posts to get some better reads that why I haven't posted much because there was really much for me to ready. I still waiting for alakaslam, Dicksmash McIroncock, and Meatpudding to post.
My reads are atm the following
Town: Oatsmaster, sicklucker, Damdred, kushm4sta, Trfel
Null: Half the Sky, Breshke, Alakaslam
Scum: Dicksmash McIroncock, Meatpudding.
Dicksmash didn't post anything after his first post for the day and Meatpudding is either trolling us with the stuff he posted earlier or he scum but time will tell.
Alakaslam at least gave a good explanation for his posts.
Breshke gave a explanation on why he voted for sicklucker
Half the Sky made some decent posts but it reads null in my eyes but I still kind of new to TL Mafia (2nd game in TL mafia).


Day #2 - Votes Meatpudding, change vote to Rasputin, change vote to myself

On November 27 2014 07:53 LightningStrike wrote:
I thought I saw a post of him pushing for the lynch but Kush and Damndred I know did and now that I just reread the thing since you questioning the bolded part it was just a misread it was HTS who helped push it so here the scum list for me now that I had reread everything
Kush
HTS
Damndred.


On November 28 2014 22:36 LightningStrike wrote:
I just woke up after going to bed after my last post and I asked who my top 3 scum are and here is mine that are here
meatpudding
kushm4sta
Alakaslam
@rsoultin The only wagon at the time was Dicksmash McIroncock and other cases that wasn't well put out and few people who I felt was townie voted for Dicksmash McIroncock so sorry if I put it all on you but it was mainly your push to get me to vote kind of forced my hand :|


On November 29 2014 08:25 LightningStrike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 29 2014 08:14 Oatsmaster wrote:
Ls is changing mind. The post where he said we should lynch bats after meat does not make sense from a town pov why don't we lynch bats today? Dunno, he doesn't say. It reads like he is lining up lynches. + he keeps saying he is bad and it's annoying.

If you had read my my top 3 scum list that I had made per your request I had put Meatpudding in there first on my list and reading the case on bats I think if meatpudding ends up as scum I think bats would be our next lynch but that just me in my opinion and here was my last I made earlier in the thread

obviously my view changed now with the following as my current scum
meatpudding
batsnacks
kushm4sta
kush posts seems to not have any real substance at all and the same thing happened in my last game when he was scum so it's a high chance in my opinion he would be scum.


Day #3 - Votes Meatpudding

No scum lists.

It appears he's pretty anti-Meatpudding here actually going through all these scum lists. Hmmmmm.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
December 02 2014 23:50 GMT
#1682
Breshke, it's almost midnight here, I can crank a few more things for the next half hour, anything in particular you want me to check? Almost through with LS. Here's another post we can examine...

On November 28 2014 12:56 LightningStrike wrote:
Okay since now that my cousin and his wife and son have left I can finally give you guys my current reads for the time being.
Breshke: Town since he displaying the same kind of approach for today as he did in my last game when he was town.

Batsnacks: Null leaning town since he is acting close to the same way he did last game with me when he was a doctor but he been dodging questions from Oatsmaster and Half the Sky.

Damndred: Null leaning town since he was one of the major pushers for the lynching of DSIM without much of a good reason and been defending Batsnacks actions but at the same time he been giving losts of questions although DSIM didn't respond well to the questions.

Half the Sky: Town since he been giving good reasonings for his reads throughout the game although I don't like his case for Batsnacks being scum based on my own experience playing with Batsnacks in my last game.

sicklucker: Town because his posting style had pretty much stayed the same from the last game I played with him although he did looked very scummy in that game but he was just a Vanilla town and since our power roles had been lynched/killed I having a safe bet that sicklucker is town.

meatpudding: Null leaning town he had some decent questions after being gone for a while and now he claiming to have no power at his house it could be a scum move because one of the scums in my last game tried to pull that move but failed so perhaps meatpudding could scum.

alakaslam: null leaning scum since he not posted much of his reads but he also admitted to notread much of the thread during the time of us lynching DSIM but I need to see more posts of his though since he said he had to go earlier in the thread to confirm my suspicions.

Oatsmasters: Town since he been asking lots of questions to everyone and been trying to lead the discussion when he can which isn't a trait a scum member would do.

kushm4sta: Null leaning scum since he not been contributing a lot like his last scum game which was my last although he did give a couple questions to people he also didn't post much so I need to wait for him to post more so I can get a better read on him

rsoultin: Null leaning town since he trying to ask some questions and responding to questions he been asked by others although he did convence me to lynch DSIM that is haunting me because of my last game experience :|


The above was D2.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
December 03 2014 00:03 GMT
#1686
Went through Oats again...he is pushing against Bats a lot. He pushed away the vote on me, but LS he also did scumlist. Didn't seem to have other strong candidates except for Damdred.

Oats, you have any updated reads by any chance?

I'm actually glad I went through that stuff on LightningStrike now that we know he is scum...because he was pretty damn anti-Meatpudding the whole game. Makes me wonder if Meat might actually not be scum.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
December 03 2014 00:03 GMT
#1687
Nice, Oats just as I was typing this. Huzzah!
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
December 03 2014 00:04 GMT
#1688
Oats, you have a backup in case Hopeless flips town? I get the guy is pretty afk, but he is borderline policy lynch to me.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
December 03 2014 00:22 GMT
#1690
Alright then, let's go for Hopeless tomorrow and see what happens. Not opposed to it.

Off to bed I go....well done again town. Huzzah!
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
December 03 2014 12:57 GMT
#1744
On December 03 2014 19:50 meatpudding wrote:
What is the point of this? Half his reads are null anyway. Is there anything you can tell from here or any reason to repost it now?


Read this AND the last thing I posted on his record. Now that we know LS is scum, I'm re-reading everything he's done and put out there. His list of threes tells me he seemed like he wanted to take you out for awhile, which makes me reconsider you as scum, second page, since all the reads are together, he probably didn't want to indicate he was possibly aligned with anyone. It's always good to go back and re-examine someone when their role is revealed and that's so that we aren't missing anything. I am also posting such that if anyone else here had a different opinion on this, they can say something on it.

On December 03 2014 19:52 meatpudding wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2014 13:00 sicklucker wrote:
Heres the only situation you should vote breske out. If theirs one mafia left and its the roleblocker. Even then im not saying you should do it but thats the only situation where it makes sense.


That makes absolutely no sense. Any scum could have claimed not just the rb.


Context. If there's one mafia left and it's the roleblocker...the key word here is AND. Even then I would take this a step further and say that if it's one scum left, we know it's RB, and the people left are what we think are the towncircle. Either way his situation he describes is that we know what specifics are being revealed as a scum goes.

You read the N3 post right? It revealed LS as a goon, so we have one goon and the RB left.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
December 03 2014 13:06 GMT
#1745
EBWOP - "which makes me reconsider you scum" - as in, the possibility that you are NOT scum
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
December 03 2014 13:28 GMT
#1750
[QUOTE]On December 03 2014 13:02 rsoultin wrote:
Bats reads super scummy to me. Hope is a null. He did try to get me to play ball with him end of day 2, however, which is odd to me for scum.[QUOTE]

QFE, massively.

I thought Hopeless would have been a good candidate being a lurker but that's the thing, that's the only thing you can say, and lurking goes either way. He did cite work as a problem, and looking it over, he was called in as a replacement which is something that should be considered against that.

Meat fell in for me partially because of lurking but I really didn't like most of his posts, as SL said, it is not easy to follow your train of thought in most of them. Ironically LS's posts once he was caught is what may have revealed the most about Meat.

On the other hand, I can make a long laundry list of all the scumlike things that Bats has done. The way he played EoD 2 is probably the biggest red flag out there, I cannot imagine any universe where a townie would hold someone hostage to switch votes to someone else like that. The fact that Damdred went toe to toe with me for 40 minutes even though we reasoned at the end made me feel MUCH better about him, but Bats did none of that, hasn't taken questions, even Damdred and Hopeless both expressed reluctance to switch their votes back to me.

Complete agreement with both of you SL and Rasputin, Bats needs to go, and he needs to go as soon as possible.





The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
December 03 2014 13:41 GMT
#1752
On December 03 2014 13:02 rsoultin wrote:
Bats reads super scummy to me. Hope is a null. He did try to get me to play ball with him end of day 2, however, which is odd to me for scum.


Damn quote boxes.

I'll be completely honest, Rasputin, I might sound crazy here, but I just haven't been impressed with Meat's posting at all this game. Maybe it's inexperience, I think we're all learning. But even as a beginner myself I've had a difficult time following where he's trying to go with his posts half the time. Although now, I'm not as convinced he is scum after re-reading LS's posts.

There are eight alive right now. I'm good on you, Breshke, SL, Rasputin

We have Meat, Hopeless, Oats and Bats left.

Meat could be scum, but it's unlikely, though I will admit I'm not sold on an argument yet as to why he's not. He did say he's bad at his defense, EoD D3.

Hopeless is a complete tossup.

Bats is the clear scum for me. I think if we take him out, that will reveal all we need to know about Oats.

So in order: Bats, Hopeless and a tossup between Oats and Meat.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
December 03 2014 13:51 GMT
#1755
On December 03 2014 22:43 Breshke wrote:
HTS explain what you mean that it will reveal all about oats??


Bats' alignment, once he goes, will reveal the motives behind Oats' trying to steer us away from him. Why any player - especially a veteran, should advocate a lurker over Bats is beyond me when loads of evidence is currently pointing to Bats across the entire game.

And with this few people left in the game, there's less room to hide for the scum.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
December 03 2014 14:29 GMT
#1761
Oats, let me ask you a few questions. I won't speak for anyone else, but I personally do not understand your position.

First, we're not giving him a free pass. At least I'm not, and it doesn't appear anyone else is either. If we were, then we'd be calling him town. I don't believe anyone at this point has called him town. At least, I'm not.

On December 03 2014 23:02 Oatsmaster wrote:
Hopeless is massively scum.

You guys are giving him a free pass for lurking?
No town lurks this hard when they are almost gonna lose the game.


My problem with the above is that Hopeless HAS cited a RL (work) for his AFKness.
RL is irrelevant to whether someone in this game is town or scum, yeah people can lie, but since EoD D2, he has posted where he will be. I have my doubts.

On December 03 2014 23:02 Oatsmaster wrote:
I really cant believe that you guys dont think lurking is a legitimate scumtell. This late in the game, it is.


To me it is however it's not the only one, and it is not the strongest. I fail to see how lurking alone overrides the scummy behaviour in Bats. If you don't think Bats is scummy, you have not given a counterargument for that, and if you have, please quote it.

Now Hopeless' quote.

On December 03 2014 23:02 Oatsmaster wrote:
Then he tries to push sicklucker by referencing his read on damdred? His points are not even legitimate.
This reads so much like hopeless trying to create a lynch outta nothing.
And for him to be actually doing stuff so he has some content. It sucks.

LYNCH HOPELESS.


To me it doesn't make sense. I understand your point on this. And that's why some of us are putting him on the list, but he's not number one. Bats is number one for all actions cited through the game - not just one post, not just one action.

The above is the only action that you can demonstrate, and Bats's problems are an aggregate from all three days. And I don't understand how someone as experienced as you are can ignore this.

To me it appears you are sidestepping Bats altogether.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
December 03 2014 14:40 GMT
#1767
TLDR version of my last post:

Oats, make a case that one post from Hopeless carries more weight than the aggregate of Bats' behaviour over three days.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
December 03 2014 14:42 GMT
#1768
On December 03 2014 23:36 batsnacks wrote:
Btw I've been afk because I've been too busy wrestling gators to play, do I get a pass now for RL excuses? lol


Now you're just trolling. Please.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
December 03 2014 15:23 GMT
#1774
Bats, other than Hopeless, who is your other read for scum?
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
December 03 2014 18:57 GMT
#1799
On December 04 2014 00:25 Oatsmaster wrote:
none of you have strung 5 posts together about how bats is scum, and you post this?

Baffles me man.


Absolutely. We've hit on all the points plenty. RTFT, more specifically page 88, Rasputin's reads, and go to Bats at the bottom of his post. Of course, that's easy for you to ignore, just as easy as it is to say you confused me for LS when you pushed the vote away on me D2. I sense a pattern here.

On December 04 2014 00:25 Oatsmaster wrote:
Also lurking one lynch before lylo is fucking scummy and IRL reasons are not real reasons.


Context - He was lurking before LYLO one and he's still lurking.

On December 04 2014 00:25 Oatsmaster wrote:
In fact, the fact that you even think about trying justify your absence is scummy.

IRL reasons or any other activity excuse are not valid in this game. Do not use those as a reason to not lynch people.


WIFOM at best. People can be uninterested because they are a scum trying to hide or a townie who is lazy and doesn't want to put in the work to find scum. Both have happened, both are possible. Either way, unhelpful for the town, and if there was a vigilante in this game, the conventional meta is to take out lurkers regardless of perceived alignment, but that's not the case in this game.

Hope is policy all the way. It was said multiple times by people D1 and it's true now - policy vote only when there are no other options for scum.

Therefore, a justification for Bats being town is actually in order if you truly believe he shouldn't go.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
December 03 2014 19:02 GMT
#1800
EBWOP - The easiest way to support Hopeless as scum when he lurks, if he lurks regularly would be to link to a filter from a previous game where he drew scum.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
December 03 2014 21:47 GMT
#1809
On December 04 2014 06:33 rsoultin wrote:
Lol, SL. That is definitely concise. xP My version of concise.

LS resisted voting when you were leading the lynch votes.
LS stated you were scum, then suddenly started sheeping you with no explanation other than you "made sense".
Your editing portions out of my posts then claiming that I was contradicting myself during EoD2.
Threatening HTS with lynching if he didn't switch his votes.
Declaring him townie then switching your stance to possibly mafia after I pointed out that HTS and I logically were the same alignment.
Calling out Damdred's death before he died.
Your general refusal to answer questions clarifying your stances on things. Example: Why LS is a bad lynch even if he's mafia.
Trolling and insults rather than expressing alternative views.
Your general absence yesterday. (You have been increasingly absent throughout the gme.)
The way the game has gone decreasing likely scum to you, Hopeless, meat ad Oats.
Every one of these can probably be explained, but the aggregate comes out very scummy.


Oatsmaster when you get back here please read the above and then tell me a lurker with one suspicious post is stronger case for a lynch than someone showing the above.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
December 03 2014 21:48 GMT
#1810
Shit it's almost 10pm...ugh...this is going to get interesting.
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