Campus Mafia (New/Newish Players Welcome)

On November 08 2014 07:27 Serejai wrote:


Is this sarcasm? Or are you seriously suggesting that sicklucker is a confirmed town?

Not accusing you of anything; just trying to get clarification.

On November 08 2014 08:39 Serejai wrote:
Breshke and sicklucker scum, bussed kush to save sicklucker since kush was inactive anyway.

I DID IT GUYS. I SOLVED THE GAME.

On November 08 2014 09:28 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
I'm not even remotely caught up with the game. I'm reading through stuff now but I'll try to interact and stuff.

Anyone around to talk?

On November 08 2014 09:56 ObiWanShinobi wrote:


Yeah totes.

On November 08 2014 08:39 Serejai wrote:
Breshke and sicklucker scum, bussed kush to save sicklucker since kush was inactive anyway.

I DID IT GUYS. I SOLVED THE GAME.

On November 08 2014 10:25 Serejai wrote:


So your claiming I'm scum and my teammate role blocked me night one? What would be the benefit of wasting the role block?

Humor me.

On November 08 2014 10:52 Serejai wrote:
Tunneling is OK, but Elvis is basically not even looking at other people. He refused to take his vote off me D1 when our cop died and he will probably vote me again tomorrow too. Townie with such a one track mind?

On November 08 2014 11:02 Serejai wrote:


I do, but I'm willing to change my mind if he would be more productive. It is entirely possible he's town and unintentionally got so hung up on me that he stopped scumhunting.

On November 08 2014 11:02 sicklucker wrote:


I just talk alot bro its kinda why they scum read me

On November 08 2014 11:07 Serejai wrote:


Nopr. You'll have to check my filter or wait. Im not at home noe and typing on my phone isn't ideal for an essay.

On November 08 2014 11:41 Breshke wrote:
Rayn when you are here again i want you to give me your opinion something,

Let me preface this with the fact that i agree that sentinel is most likely mafia and i will be voting him today. I think it is highly likely that kush bussed considering what we know about his scum meta.



Look at the final day one vote. If you are to believe that superbia and sentinel and kush is the xcum team you need to think that 2 mafia voted together on their partner for day 1. Why would they have done this when, if you are town, both wagons were on town because you are immaterial. Yeah voting on a town looks bad once the vote flips but why would they allighn themselves so closely. I think if sentinel flips mafia superbia is most likely town.

On November 08 2014 22:36 batsnacks wrote:


I think this is reasonable but I'm still really stuck on KSC's gambit. Maybe you could unstuck me if you explain why it might not be scummy.

On November 08 2014 22:50 batsnacks wrote:
ebwop but yeah scum motivation is he killed the cop, tried to blame someone else and get away with it. And it seems like he is getting away with it.

On November 08 2014 23:08 batsnacks wrote:


Do you think goon for cop is a bad trade in this setup?

On November 04 2014 08:16 KelsierSC wrote:
as for.my scum i like the read that Elvis has on sentinal. Also sentinal has spent a lot of the game discussing mechanics, set ups and strategies which is like a good way to try and appear helpful to town but doesn't actually help.

On November 08 2014 23:27 ObiWanShinobi wrote:


Seems unhealthy.

On November 09 2014 05:21 sicklucker wrote:
I thought he was like artanis[xp] for some reason. Im not sure where I got that name or how my mind works guys.

On November 09 2014 05:32 Fecalfeast wrote:
So if I help you guys kill sentinel can we wait until after WCS finals to try and lynch me? I feel like my scum game is pretty obvious tbh, here's a game I just played on omgus to reference: http://www.omgus.net/viewforum.php?f=195

I'm not going to be doing any work, though, until there's no more starcraft to watch so either treat me like the useful idiot I am or shoot me tonight so we don't waste time lynching me.

On November 09 2014 05:34 Fecalfeast wrote:
True that, I decided to get drunk instead.

On November 08 2014 22:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:

You are right. This is a good point and it most likely means i am wrong on one of my scumreads.

On November 09 2014 06:22 Superbia wrote:


1. I don't personally know kush's meta. I've half played with the guy once, but don't remember any interactions (I replaced in during d2 as scum, and conceded the same day. He was town). His behaviour reminded me of experienced players who just lost interest in the game, and I've never seen one flip scum.

2. Sentinel: I had a (cute/dumb) little play during d1 which pinged out Sentinel for me. After I pressured him his response seemed pretty terrible to me. Looked like he was trying to insert himself into a group. Doesn't help that he wrote a bit regarding someone (I believe FF) from a perspective in which they were confirmed town (i.e. probably a scumslip, town is never confident enough to assume other people are town d1), even though he had no real read on them. He had his vote on the cop at EoD1, and I don't think he ever gave a proper explanation (doesn't really matter either, because you can claim afk or whatever). Has done absolutely nothing during d2.

FecalFeast: The FF I know is fine with pushing on almost everyone and I expect town-FF to be interacting with me throughout the game. This game FF has avoided me (though tbh I haven't been nearly as active as I've wanted to be), which is exactly what I expect his scum game to be (the game I was town and he was scum he was pretty afraid of me in scum QT). His d1 reads are forgetful. I remember his vote ended up on the cop, and he had some out of game reason to be afk during the very EoD (he did almost the exact same thing during the game I mentioned before, pretty sure I've never seen him afk during EoD when he's town, but admittedly, this is not strongly alignment indicative). His d2 play was basically tunneling on Kush without a good reason (imo), and I stand by my point that Kush was not really a good target. The fact that his vote didn't even end on Kush and he didn't even really help in the lynch doesn't help him at all.

Obi/Kelsier: Killed the cop. Honestly, the whole "he wouldn't trade his life for the cop if he was scum" is fucking WIFOM, because we're apparently not killing him because of that fact? That's just catch-22 bullshit. I stand by my logic that Obi/Kelsier needs to be lynched during this game, unless it's over after the FF lynch (which it may very well be).

On November 09 2014 06:41 Breshke wrote:
I woke up late but theres a weird interaction between ff and sentinel if they are a scum team ill find it and show you rayn. I find it really hard to put sentinel into a team because the only person i can see him lining up with is immaterial but since rayn replaced him it doesn't seems like less of a world. I still think sentinel is scum though.

On November 09 2014 06:34 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Alright. I'm hung over and still pretty mad about yesterday's power outages.

rayn and I are in the same dynamic as Resistance. I think I can go 2 for 2 and call him scum now.

On November 09 2014 06:51 Breshke wrote:
Okay the interaction wasn't as big a deal as i thought it was

Fecal makes this case



Kush wants to vote on sentinel at EoD1



He gets linked ff's case and after just 3 minutes (which he got inged out for because there was no way he read it all.)



So kush and ff would have basically been trying to bury their partner at EoD1 and gotten him lynched.

I feel like im making too many associative reads though.

On November 09 2014 18:07 sicklucker wrote:


Everyone has said the last two scum are probably ff and sent. So to me it didnt matter the order. Ive said many many times I think its better to vote out ff just for the fact the unknowns in this game all want sent gone and not ff . I also think if theres two potential people to vote on we GAIN INFORMATION from who votes where. Ive said this so many times.

On November 09 2014 18:12 sicklucker wrote:


If theres a close vote and say sent wins 5-4 and we learn sent is mafia. Then we can see who didnt vote for sent and get information. This is such a stupid question rayn your smarter then this.

On November 09 2014 18:19 sicklucker wrote:
breske All I really did was throw out ideas of strategies and was immediately put on the defensive of course im annoyed. You started integrating me when I just wanted your opinion on the matter

On November 09 2014 18:48 Breshke wrote:


This isn't like they can not be a team 100 percent i just think it isn't likely because obviously mafia can buss.

I shouldn't be confirmed town to you, you can think im really town but dont just blindly sheep my reads.

On November 05 2014 12:36 Elvis! wrote:
I see that a post before even EoD1 happened isn't the strongest, I still was convinced. What I think of him now, see at the bottom of this post.
I don't like how you discredit my whole post to "one post at the beginning" . The post mostly wasn't even about something at the beginning, but about his reaction and lies.
My vote was on serejai since he was the guy I thought to be scum, which I thought was pretty obvious.
Also people were switching left right and center and not much before EoD people were all up for lynching him.
Didn't see a reason to vote for the others instead, since at that point I thought ok one guy is fakeclaiming and another guy is suddenly being pushed based on a not well funded push that I don't support that much.
Why would I change in that case? It didn't need many to change to what I thought was a better case.

Why am I asking why he's defending?
Since this guy flipped town now everyone is sheeping everything he has ever done.
I don't get this at all.
About LS:
Please, someone be reasonable and actually post stuff he made that wasn't null or scum.
Please, someone be reasonable and actually post more information on why he couldn't have just fakeclaimed.
At this point the only reason I see is that he might come in a weird situation in lylo if all our powerroles play well and a lot of stuff happens that isn't forced to happen.

Imagine this: He would have been scum, faceclaimed, we would have lynched someone else, everyone would have sheeped him like they did and how they are now (why wouldn't they), scum would, since town is reacting in this way, basically have a confirmed townie among their lines.
Even if people wouldn't have sheeped him as much as they are now this would be a desaster for town and really good for scum.

Why are scenarios like this less possible than the other ones. I'm not convinced at all about all the things people are saying about LS. People kept pointing out all his mistakes and scummy posts before and now he's suddenly considered a god amongst people.
I only see a lot of people that could be scum earn town cred right nowfor sheeping him and talking about how he was town, why we shouldn't have voted for him and so on.
No risk, easy town points for our opponents.

I don't have a good feeling about this.

On immaterial: Breshke, I posted my opinion about him not much before the lynch. Also:

At the moment most my reads are thrown around by the shitpile of 20 pages of EoD posts which are chaotic as fuck since people just posted impulsive and wanting to convince people, posted stuff about if detective is cop and so on. There is a lot to read and a lot fewer that has reasonable content. I'll try to go through this tomorrow and find what I think of it.


Then Chelseas actual CC: I agree it's a measure that can be done and it's ok and everything but there is no reason to pull back so late. Also you can't really fault batsnacks for not switching in these 3 minutes, since he was playing on a phone.
I have played mafia on a phone before and it's a desaster, stuff takes ages to load and post and go through pages (which were plenty). Keeping up with the time and what everyone is posting is really fuckin shit on such a device.

You did say it wasn't optimal tho so I guess it's fine. Saying you're doing it beause of shenanigans makes it kinda weird and I don't know why someone would be serious about CCing and then say it's shenanigans and confuse people in such a time but I guess that's Chelsea?[green] Will look into him at some point, atm he's null for me.
As example the CC would also have been a really good scum strat, since it puts attention back to the first person claiming and would have made lynching him easier. Pulling back a CC only 3 minutes before the countdown seems quite the perfect time to go and say it's not real, since if he would have pulled through and the guy flips cop this looks really scummy.
Well played, Chelsea scum or weirdly played out, weird town Chelsea? I don't know at this point.

On November 09 2014 20:53 Serejai wrote:
Oh hey, someone is finally looking at Elvis.

On November 09 2014 07:15 Serejai wrote:
Caught one of the scum. Will post about it on Monday morning, or sooner if I can get hold of a laptop. Read some of my very last posts from D1 and people who commented on them. Want to see if anyone else notices before I drop a name.

On November 09 2014 21:31 Serejai wrote:
Sentinel is a lynch I'd go for but I'm not 100% sure he's scum simply because he's doing the same thing kush did; lurking, claiming inability to post (kush - power outage, sentinel - roomate having sex... For 24 hours straight apparently). It's possible that both scum would choose to play afk but how likely is that? I'm not experienced enough to know.

On November 09 2014 21:46 Serejai wrote:


True. They both seem to want our medic dead, but there's a difference. Sicklucker wants our medic to reveal and has been blue hunting all game. He goes for the medic directly. Elvis goes for me all game - keeping in mind that scum thought I was the doctor - and only switched to sicklucker after he started talking about the medic so much. Elvis is going after the player he thinks is the medic and hasn't contributed anything else to the thread all game. He kept his vote on me D1 for no reason in order to stay under the radar when cop was lynched. He stayed out of voting for kush yesterday even though he thought kush was scum.

One of those seems scum. The other seems naive town.

On November 10 2014 01:00 Serejai wrote:
Or is bat really claiming cop?

On November 09 2014 21:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:

You said you CAUGHT MAFIA!!!!
Which one is mafia and which one is not?!?!?!?

Well played, Chelsea scum or weirdly played out, weird town Chelsea? I don't know at this point.

I really think KSC is a decent lynch but he hasn't even posted since forever and hasn't been scummy outside his outragously scummy EoD action

On November 10 2014 04:21 Elvis! wrote:
actually no.
I was sure the act is scummy.
I didn't know if he is scum because of it or weird town (because weird town can make scummy actions)

On November 10 2014 04:24 Elvis! wrote:
Hmm maybe I phrased it wrongly.
I always thought the act was scummy.
I just didn't, and still don't know if there was mafia motivation behind it.
Also, a lot of people asked KSC why he did it already at that point.
No need to repeat that once more.

On November 10 2014 05:43 Fecalfeast wrote:
From what I've heard about kush he prefers to be bussed as mafia or he busses his teammates. So yes, i can believe it.

On November 10 2014 05:57 Fecalfeast wrote:
K if kush doesn't prefer to be bussed then i guess sicklucker is just terrible town.

He did bus sentinel and regardless of how sicklucker spins it, he's trying to switch the vote off sentinel.

Who's your next biggest scum after sent and after me, so i can filter dive them and be useful?

On November 10 2014 09:00 Elvis! wrote:
So sicklucker you think bats is being sketchy, but you don't see a world where he is scum with rayn.
So if we "blindly" follow rayn since he's apparently confirmed town and apparently he always talks the truth and knows everything because he played more?
I don't think so.
He's just a possible townie like everyone else.

On November 10 2014 09:42 Superbia wrote:


So cop gets lynched d1 and you don't think it's possible for mafia to just roleblock one of their own twice to get them town read?

On November 10 2014 08:05 ObiWanShinobi wrote:


This is kind of my concern.

We'll cross that bridge when we get to it.

On November 10 2014 07:48 Fecalfeast wrote:

I'm doing it because rayn wont budge on the "SL could have bussed kush" matter and his next scum is between you and me. From the info in thread, rayn is town until there is a counterclaim for medic so helping his figure out who scum is makes more sense than beating a dead horse.

On November 11 2014 01:11 Serejai wrote:


Rules were edited. Healed target is NOT notified anymore.

On November 11 2014 01:16 batsnacks wrote:
ebwop I figured you were having a laugh or something trying to act like you didn't know you were saved.

On November 11 2014 01:19 batsnacks wrote:


I actually assumed grack was so obvious scum would never try to hit him N1. That theory failed so I just went with the obvious choice N2 and it worked out.

On November 11 2014 01:30 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Medics aren't notified of saves and mafia is forced to kill.

This was the issue we had.

On November 11 2014 01:36 batsnacks wrote:


No I was not. I saved you and you didn't die. I figured that meant it was successful since I wasn't notified of a RB or anything.

On November 11 2014 01:42 Serejai wrote:


What makes Breshke confirmed? Not that I think he's scum, but the three confirmed town would be myself, you, and batsnacks at the moment.

I still disagree with your read on sicklucker. He's either scum or the worst town in the history of mafia, and I find the latter hard to believe. Did you see my recent post about him?



I'm just struggling to believe someone who has the ability to make judgement calls well enough to be a semi-pro BW player and a professional poker player could do the exact opposite in a game of mafia; especially when he claims to watch allstar mafia and read a ton of external literature on how to play. It doesn't add up.

On November 11 2014 01:44 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
I didn't shoot rayn you silly gooses

On November 11 2014 02:01 Serejai wrote:


Wasn't it you that said kush likes to be bussed when he plays scum, though? Someone here mentioned that, so Breshke could've been doing that.

On November 11 2014 05:17 Elvis! wrote:
Well, let's do this I guess, tomorrow is the day sicklucker dies. (He still thinks everyone is reading him town for some reason).
##Vote [UoN]Sentinel

On November 11 2014 14:25 Breshke wrote:
So i find it very unlikely that KSC as the mafia roleblocker would fake claim cop putting himself out there like that. Tentitive town read on obi. KSC did replace it so it could be argued that he just didn't care.

On November 12 2014 06:34 sicklucker wrote:
I dont like how elvis and serejai point out that im not trying to defend or ignoring them look at my filter. I wasted so much time talking to a wall that I decided to try to help the game in other ways

On October 26 2014 09:23 Superbia wrote:
Some other thoughts:

Both newfriends (FF/Elvis, now Marv) are probably town. Explained Elvis already. FF is being sarcastic and funny. He isn't really doing anything but he also doesn't seem scared of being lynched. Last game I played he was scum and became serious as soon as people (I) were (was) pushing on him.

Damdred is leaning scum for me atm. Only noticed this post:
+ Show Spoiler +
in which it becomes clear he's definitely not scum guys! None of his other posts made it into my (death) note book, which is a bad sign.

Liancourt is also leaning scum for me at the moment. I liked his initial meta-read on storr (it was wrong, but it seemed townie). He then gets townread because he’s happy and carefree and proceeds to do fuck all the rest of the game.
Shit like this also feels scummy to me:
+ Show Spoiler +
Good question, why is rayn being townread by thrawn (drparnassus) and slam? Pressure is being put on Parnassus (lian should be happy) and then he’s like:
+ Show Spoiler +
“Where’s this one afker guys???” Why are you diverting attention when someone is being pressured who you were questioning? Feels scummy and possibly aligns lian with Parnassus.

GlowingBear is leaning town for me. Had some decentish posts. Specifically liked his case on lian.

Kushm4sta is null for me atm. I only recall his short overview (list) post of which the shortness felt townie to me (i.e. mafia would’ve probably put in more effort), but I can’t really recall what was in it.

Holyflare is mafia for me at the moment. I liked his initial reaction to parnassus’ opening post, that’s it. Two posts stood out to me:
+ Show Spoiler +
Feels like a lot of information but is actually a complete air post. Saying literally nothing here, and made me suspicious. Then comes this (le) gem:
+ Show Spoiler +
Absolutely no need to defend FF here. The pressure was mediocre at best at this point in time. Seems like mafia trying to get free townie points here. Town would’ve just asked FF for his points on lian without taking away the pressure. Yeah, he pushed (and voted) on bats early on, but I don’t recall him contributing much to the push during the EoD. Also I would’ve probably bussed badsnacks if I was his partner too.

IamRobik is leaning town to me. Most of his posts feel townie (though different from last game I played with him).

Justanothertownie is slightly leaning town to me. Had a tryhard and pushy opening, followed by some straightforward neutral townposts.

DrParnassus is leaning scum to me. I loved his first post, and don’t recall any of his other posts. Strong opening followed by weak play is probably scum. Also this recent post really ticked me off:
+ Show Spoiler +
This feels like mafia trying to salvage losing a team-mate d1 (i.e. trying to get something positive out of the lynch, which the lynch is already very positive for town is scummy).

On October 09 2014 03:23 Superbia wrote:
I have the ball rolling already dude. We're also not lynching a lurker. They get modkilled or replaced. It's a waste of a lynch.

My circles:
town:
abuse

leaning town:
loaf
fecalfeast
Rad

null:
Elvis!
dusts

scum:
The_Zen_Man
breshke

On November 04 2014 00:37 Superbia wrote:
Ha! You have all underestimated Superbia's Digging Company!

The play is pretty straightforward. Experienced town is never going to take the contract for these reasons:
- If I'm town, I'll be wasting my time tunneling on a townie (from their perspective)
- If I'm mafia, I'll have a great excuse to go hard on them all day.

Scum, however, is more likely to take the contract for the following reasons:
- WIFOM
- I'm not afraid of being watched, I swear!
- Easy fallback on "Wow I can't believe you actually tunneled me, you're dumb as shit"

Since Sentinel is an experienced player (apparently), I'm pretty sure he's mafai here. Him following the badsnacks pressure train (and FF/kelsier's push) on me doesn't help. Why agree and then go against it?

##Vote: [UoN]Sentinel


Some other thoughts:

Batsnacks - I'm okay with bats at the moment. His push on me seemed like the typical "push for info" I expect to see at the start of d1. Leaning town for now.

KelsierSC -


Was an incredibly weak read at best. Feels more like a pocket or possibly (dare I hope) aligned scum. Scumlean on Kelsier. Townpoints to breshke for pinging him out for it. Also does the exact same thing as FF (see below)

Fecalfeast -


Why are you pushing someone for something that hasn't even happened yet? If you were really looking to catch scum you would wait for me to follow up and then evaluate from here. Pushing on someone for something insubstantial is pretty scummy: it's a losing strategy for town, and an easy way to get town-read as scum. Scum-lean on FF.

Breshke - This is a different Breshke from what I'm used to (he's way more proactive than before). His questions are spot on and the mindset behind his posts feels very town. The fact that he's more proactive only adds to to the towniness. Top town at the moment.

Elvis! - Elvis made sense and seems to have the same viewpoint as I would have on my post. Leaning town.

Grackaroni - Defends me, and I'm not sure how I feel about this. On the one hands his arguments are valid and logical, on the other hand, why defend me? Don't feel like the thread was stagnating at that point in time, and there was still information to be gained. Grack, why did you defend me?

Immaterial - Null. Not sure if newbie town or mafai. Sheeps Kelsier, which is horrible. Gets pinged out for faulty logic (which is by extension Kelsier's faulty logic), but keeps his vote on me regardless, which feels a little more like town pressuring than scum sheeping. Would like to see more content from him before I make up my mind (his prose is also pretty decent).

LightningStrike - Leaning mafia. Sheeps the vote for me but doesn't really seem to have a real opinion on the matter. This post screams mafia trying to insert themselves into a push/conversation:



In conclusion: I feel like Sentinel is the most likely hit at the moment, followed by Kelsier and then FF or LightningStrike. At least 2 in those 4.


Need to get opinions/content from the following people:
- Serejai
- Cricketer12
- kushm4sta

On November 12 2014 06:48 Superbia wrote:
Are you fucking serious rayn? This is what you got out of my filter? That you have no idea where my votes have been or what I have done to get my lynches lynched? Let me spell it out for you:

d1: Was going on Sentinel and my read starts solidying, then I come home during 2nd half of the day to see two cop claims fighting it out.
d2. I want to lynch sent or kelsier. As day goes by it becomes obvious that kelsier needs to die that day or will probably be alive for the rest of the game, so I push hard for kelsier's lynch.
d3: Lynch was really straightforward.

On November 13 2014 01:13 Elvis! wrote:




Is this not a softclaim?
I called it soft since he didn't stick with it, but he did say he is the doctor, which I don't see a reason why at this point.

Also Breshke you yourself repeatedly say people shouldn't go off vote logic and your major point for killing me is me voting Serejai on day 1? On day 1, where barely anyone had an idea what they were lynching?

Then again, sicklucker tries way too hard to paint himself town, saying he answererd to our questions which isn't even remotely true, we asked him like 20-30 questions he never answered for no reason whatsoever except saying our push on him is bad, even though as a lot of other people are pointing out all he posted was WIFOM "pushes", him in a WIFOM way posting that vote count that strongly indicates he's mafia,
Then he says "no I posted it myself it's not mafia" which is WIFOM once again.
He's barely been useful at all and posted so much useless stuff in this thread, I can't even remotely relate to that amount.
Him going WIFOM and OMGUS all over the place and saying people are tunneling and not open minded when he himself just calls peoples posts bullshit because he doesn't like their previous post is really scummy.

He tries to paint himself town way too hard, tries pocketing people way too hard, ignores everything negative about him way too hard, doesn't answer questions way too much and posts useless/WIFOM stuff way too much.
He's our last mafia here, let's get 3 in a row.

##Vote sicklucker

On November 13 2014 06:15 Fecalfeast wrote:
Guess nobody else is here.

Who's next on your list after I flip town, rayn?

On November 07 2014 10:47 Elvis! wrote:
Freitag, 7. November 2014
01:10

Sicklucker:
Thinks very highly of himself since he posts multiple times that he is the one that should be NK.

Posts he wouldn't lynch Kelsier even if he knew 100% he was scum.
Defends Kelsiers CC and late pullback.
He gives really wishy-washy reasons to why he thinks Kelsier is town.
Kelsier and Sicklucker mafia together?

He pushes on Sentinel for (his own reasoning) posting a lot earlier and not anymore.
That's not a mafia indicator, that's just him not posting, like kush and immaterial and a lot others.
He also defends kush later for not posting, which makes no sense since for him it's a scumtell.

He says him and Sentinel are not aligned because Sentinel could just have relied on him getting modkilled.
That's nothing you can rely on.

He supports his vote on Sentinel because Sentinel and him are on his weak theory " like 0% aligned".

He even mentions that Sentinel might be going under the radar because he's a role.
So he wants to lynch a possible role?

He wants to rather vote on inactives than people he thinks are mafia, because he thinks there's a "higher rng" to kill them then to kill people he thinks are mafia.
Why not make a proper case on somebody and convince people of his vote?
If he just goes after the inactive we can only lose since there's a lot of them. We don't have many jokers left since we lost 2 town already.
So it's very important to get scum and not just get to lynch basically anyone.
He wants to lynch the people where he can get a push through, not mafia.

He reads Breshke(?) scum because of tunneling someone who the person thinks is scum.
If as town you are convinced of your vote, sticking with it and wanting to convince people of it isn't wrong.
This is how you pressure scum and maybe get a scum lynch. How else is it supposed to be?

He has a good find on Grack--> kush at the end where grack says sometimes kush doesn't do much as town, too.



I generally don't like him and Serejai being so focused on single things of people.
They keep posting about things that have already been explained and are of no use to elaborate further upon, e.g. :Batsnacks and the phone-posting-revoting-dilemma.
Me voting on the guy I find scummy: Serejai.
Serejai says I'm still tunneling when he proudly keeps saying every couple of posts how good he is for still having the same scum targets as he had from the beginning. Why am I scummy/wrong for this?

Serejai also never answers my posts about him seriously. When I point out his lies/misconceptions he just ignores it and so do a lot of people.

Then I get discredited for things I didn't say, blamed for having the same opinion about you, sicklucker, as a person you think is scummy (which totally makes me scum - not) and you just disregard everything I post because you disagree with it. Then Serejai calls me scummy for not posting things of worth. Well I guess if you disregard everything I post about you, the lynch, the cop-cc-dilemma, Kelsier, Immaterial, sicklucker and you, well there's not much left.

Then if you look, there is 4 people who are riding a similair wagon at the moment - KSC, Breshke, sicklucker and Serejai- I think either KSC or Breshke (more likely Breshke) is the deceived and the other 3 are scum, since these 4 people are constantly posting how right each other is, pushing the same targets, defending the same people (as example KSC and Kush being defended for no reason).
They want town to think that these are not only the popular but the right opinions - which lots of them have been unproven, false, not logical and weird.
Kush isn't looking townie, Kelsiers late un-cc is in no way reasonable or good for town, it's not logical just lynching people because of RNG on AFKers and it isn't warrantable to just hide lies people posted by overposting on different stuff.
Look at them only pointing out very few mistakes of each other, only pushing very slighty and really making pushes on other persons 24/7. Also mostly the same persons. They just jump on anything these persons post and somehow try reading something scummy into it.

A point I would like to raise is that they kept talking about some problems for ages even though they were answered and blame people adressing something else for more than a couple of posts. This is applying double standards in no reasonable way at all. Of course some points apply more to certain persons than to others.
As a prime example of this I see Breshke posting he agrees 100% with sicklucker about a post that mostly (as sicklucker later admitted) consisted of misconseptions and wrong facts. This is blind obedience in my eyes. He didn't even really read what sicklucker was writing and sicklucker wasn't really researching what he was posting about.
Mafia chat (possibly): "Hey, I'll make a post about why elvis and breshke are scum with something I can find that lines them up so that town follows me and we can maybe mislynch one of them. Just agree to it and make me look townie."
Breshke - someone I had a townie view on before, now he leans scum - as example posted that bats and I "could have saved the cop but didn't" and then defends that Immaterial didn't change his vote, because that's difficult in the heat of the moment.
Oh town really wasn't in the heat of the moment WITH A BIT MORE THAN 2 MINUTES LEFT IF YOU REFRESHED THE PAGE AT THE RIGHT TIME. That just doesn't make sense and is again applying double standards to people scum wants to mislynch and people they don't care about.
Then Breshke defends KSC by saying "the same play I was gonna make". Except you didn't. Defending him like you did is just very weird because there is no other reason to defend him than him being your scumbuddy. There is nothing excusable about only pulling the cc back so late.
Also this group uses Grack's posts sometimes similair as the Jehova's witnesses use the bible. "It is written here so it must be right". Not talking about religion here, but Grack sureley could have made misreads or mistakes. They just weren't scum-manipulated.
Then Breshke's post that could really be both - he points out that people have been talking too much about the vote and not the surroundings - which is a good thing - if he wasn't talking all about the vote himself before that, mainly posting "everyone who didn't vote to save the cop are to blame" and sheeping KSC.

Then mafia agreed to blame kush a bit, since he is an easy target once again, yes he hasn't posted in a long while, but that could be:
A townie being afk because of real life issues.
A scum being afk for the same reasons.
A role not posting much to not get nightkilled.
A scum not posting much, because scum hides.
At that last point - wouldn't the other scum tell him to post so he doesn't look like that? I don't think it's a scumtell if someone doesn't post at all, scum knows what they wanna look like.
This just turns it into WIFOM, which isn't a good reason to lynch someone, since he hasn't been posting scummy (since he hasn't been posting).

Then Breshke keeps focusing on how KSC fake-ccing as scum would be terrible because they could just take care of the guy in night.
Well or he's scum and has his scumbuddy's sheeping him the day after so they can get the town kill and someone else without any blame to put on anyone since the guy to blame is being sheeped by so many persons.
If he didn't do it, who would be to blame/to mislynch on Day2? There would have been like 7 votes on LS, people would just agree that LS was donkey cop and noone would be to blame.
Here they have the prime mislynch targets presented on the table. Easily to blame since they didn't pull back, no scum to identify since KSC "did pull back" and gets sheeped.
Then Breshke all of a sudden blames sicklucker for something. What?! Oh wait it's just a number being 2 instead of 3 and this is a good opportunity to have people not think you're aligned with each other since you're not really blaming him and rather correcting him.
Then Breshke says sicklucker shouldn't read kush town, for what reasons? Oh right he barely posts any. He only again mentions that kush doesn't do townie things, so for you he's scum. So if according to your arguments he's null (and you even mention why to you he could be town) and according to sicklucker he maybe is town, there's this much of a difference and that worries you that much?
This again is either deceived/confused Breshke or manipulated-in-mafia-chat-Breshke.
He also again applies double standards, I'm getting sick of this, Superbia is not to blame because his vote was seconds from counting.
Oh bats was also for the same reason. You never mention that. Tunnel view/mislynch target much?
Then Breshke repeats how Kush has done nothing for town and thus is scum. There still are the same amount of reasons for this as for others. Lynching someone who's null isn't a good thing, especially if we already lost 2 town.

I know I'm applying double standards for the bats-me situation and the 4-people-3-scum situation as well, the reason being that I think they are connected in a much more scummy way (see above) and much less individual.


I really don't know for sure about Breshke at this point since I tried reading his post town-aligned and mafia-aligned and kinda both make sense.


Oh god I just looked at the current thread again and sicklucker - 21 before gametime already wants people to focus on one of 2 wagons?
This is the time where we wanna think about everyone as possible scum or town. This is the time where we pressure people we think are scum for information.
This is not the time where we vote on final stuff.
This is really really weird.
Like he posts that some vote has no chance of getting through even though we're still 21 hours off the time where it matters, or at least 20 until it's worth discussing.
I realise that at the time of posting this one hour has passed. And ist 19/20. Still a terrible idea of him to do and reinforces my scumread on him.
At the moment I read him scummier than Serejai and I will

##Unvote
##Vote sicklucker

On November 13 2014 06:27 Fecalfeast wrote:
like, if your top lynch is me, I can't help you with that. Your next lynch targets, though, I can try to offer my opinion on. Saying "after I flip town" is just me being a dillhole

On November 12 2014 07:06 Superbia wrote:
I can't even properly fucking contest that shit man. I've had 4 games played and I'm looking to change my playstyle somewhat every single game. I tried a more in your face style during the newbie game, and I ended up losing that game. I replaced into FFM2 during essentially d2 into an essentially lost game, so that's a horrible example of my mafia play. If anything you want to look at the werewolf game, where I was mafia and we had a very active QT.

If you don't think there's any good info in the post you quoted from this game then I don't even fucking know what to tell you. I made a morning d1 play to get shit going and probably decided that I had to justify my reads after I came back to the game because there was a massive train going on me.

On November 13 2014 07:12 Elvis! wrote:
Rayn guess why I'm still pushing my 5 day old case.
He hasn't changed much yet and a lot of his posts are similair.

Obviously not everything and obviously not everything I posted in that post is like 100% scummy.
Though you must agree the things I posted about him don't paint him in good light.
If you then consider his filter afterwards, which I did tell people to, he's dodging questions and since has mostly tried to:
Make people read him town and try to confirm himself town so hard I can't even remotely understand .
Like a third of his posts in the last days has basically been "I am confirmed town because A, I am confirmed town because B, this paints me town" and then his favourite "I did this, so therefore I cannot be scum".
Like not only has he posted so much stuff that doesn't help town at all, he also with all that stuff spammed the thread, tried pocketing people which in you he apparently has, like why would he care, over a houndred hours before potential lylo, to have people read him town so much?
Why would he not make proper cases?
Why don't you make proper cases but instead blame people for all kinds of shit?
Why haven't you made a case you are confident of on anyone?

Also please, if you blame people so much, please tell me after reading his filter in an unbiased way, how you think he's not mafia.
Put quotes, prove your points and so on.

Or, if that's impossible to you I'd have you make a proper case on someone else.
Yes, we have 3 lynches to place, but people are talking about who they are gonna pick for reasons displayed in like 5-10 lines, only very roughly scratching at the person.
(irony on) We're not gonna find scum after 20 lynches this way I don't think. (irony off)

Even if claims have been going on and stuff, I atm barely see anyone who I'd put in a town circle in this game and whose reads I'd trust to be decent, since noone is deeply looking at something since days.
Will not change my vote if you don't give me good reason.
Look at this guys filter.

I don't have a lynching order, I'll lynch sicklucker, get convinced by someone else making a legitimate case, or die trying to lynch sicklucker.

On November 14 2014 02:55 Elvis! wrote:
I'm not talking about you talking about confirming sicklucker but himself.
Look how many of his posts are "I'm town because", "I'm definitely not scum because [WIFOM]".

Also, where did I ignore questions directed at me?

Did you see what the questions directed at him tried to do and how he just said they're all terrible and he doesn't even wanna read it?

Ignoring negative things said about him, well he ignores anything that's said about him.
If he's scum, these questions are difficult to answer, if these he's scum he could expose information if he answers them.
If he's town, there's nothing to lose when answering them. So as a conclusion, the only reason to ignore these questions is because you feel uncomfortable answering them or at most are lazy town.

Being lazy and not reading/researching meanwhile is what he's done all game. He posts a lot of stuff, but these aren't researched things. These are impulsive ideas that most of the time don't get us anywhere.

He posted so many plain wrong things, misconceptions and similair things that are just not acceptable as town.
Then please show me where he made a serious case where he pushed someone because of a good amount of arguments and proof. He hasn't. None of his cases are reliable.

He is very active in the thread but tell me where he's been useful. You say he isn't, but with what reasoning?

You say you want examples of where he's pocketing people. Well, look at yourself. On the basis of what do you read him town? You never explained this is great detail, but him posting a lot and seeming active and talking about scenarios where he "must be townie" made you think so. Again I ask you: for what reasoning?

There are a lot of reasons to believe he is scum and they line up well. He seems to have a strategy how to look town and follows that through.

Looking from a perspective where he is mafia, what's his only aim at this point? Look townie. He tries a LOT to look townie.
Looking from a perspective where he is townie, what's his aim at this point? Collect information and call out scum for good evidence. He has collected information, but has he called out scum with good evidence? I don't see it.

Still voting him and since noone is posting cases it looks like I'm going to stick with it.
Saying "I think this person is mafia, please vote for him" with a couple of "proofs" that aren't more than wild guesses "the person is mafia, because [insert WIFOM argument here]" isn't making a case.

A last argument I want to make is how many of his arguments he constantly pulls back.
"Medic should claim" "i guess he shouldn't".
"This person is scummy" someone posts something different "i guess he isn't".

Also, a lot of his lynch reasoning is who is possible to be lynched today, especially already very early in the day. Mafia likes voting on the easy targets, he loves it.

Also talking shit (and I'm not exaggerating) about people because they made a post about him and pleading that people should ignore it?
The people can think for themselves, they can decide if it's bad or worthy, if he thinks it's not dangerous for him why does he care?

So many things he posts are not only non-townie but very likely to have scum motivation behind them.

Also, look like he points out how serejai "pocketed" me, even though in his world she's town? Logic please? I never even said she's town? Also why me over everyone else? She didn't agree more to my posts about you than a couple of others. You're trying to make connections that don't exist.
If I believe anyone to be town here it's probably Breshke.

On November 14 2014 03:05 Elvis! wrote:
Like my definition of pocketing is this:
He makes you believe he is townie, so that you defend him when shit hits the fan and that you disregard his scummy posts.
That's exactly what's happening

On November 14 2014 03:03 Elvis! wrote:
By thinking he's townie (which is you getting pocketed) and saying he didn't try to convince you not to lynch sentinel?

Can you give me some examples from Fecalfeast's filter where he has been useful? You sure can because you call sicklucker "barely useful at all and posted so much useless stuff".

Can you give me some examples from Fecalfeast's filter where he has been useful? You sure can because you call sicklucker "barely useful at all and posted so much useless stuff".

Can you give me some examples from Fecalfeast's filter where he has been useful? You sure can because you call sicklucker "barely useful at all and posted so much useless stuff".

Can you give me some examples from Fecalfeast's filter where he has been useful? You sure can because you call sicklucker "barely useful at all and posted so much useless stuff".

Can you give me some examples from Fecalfeast's filter where he has been useful? You sure can because you call sicklucker "barely useful at all and posted so much useless stuff".

On November 14 2014 03:23 Serejai wrote:
This day is much more enjoyable than the last

On November 14 2014 03:40 Elvis! wrote:
Calm down rayn I was at uni all day and couldn't have a look at a lot of filters of fecal.
When participating in this game he recently doesn't seem scummy to me.
He also yes, isn't the most useful recently but that's not my only point on sicklucker and since I'm sure about my case, why would I go for something I deem weaker?

On November 14 2014 03:48 Serejai wrote:


I can, but I'd rather lynch Elvis > Fecal > Obiwan in that order.

On November 14 2014 03:53 Serejai wrote:
Also, I have no regrets.









Even if I get lynched it was completely worth it to see these two post egotistical shit like this.

On November 14 2014 03:54 Elvis! wrote:


You don't have to be town. There are scenarios where you're not, so you're not confirmed until you're dead since we don't have any more blues.

I like how you never even comment on the "medic should claim".
Like you just disregard all his scummy things.
You sir, got pocketed.

On November 14 2014 03:55 Elvis! wrote:
Why do I need to defend ff? What's it doing?
There's only 1 mafia left and I'm pretty sure I caught one so what's the point?

On November 10 2014 08:07 Elvis! wrote:
So there is a couple of cases where I don't agree:
Since they don't want a confirmed townie, they blocked someone else the second night, thus his claim is wrong.
They blocked themselves 2 times which you already pointed out.
Since a lot of people (me included) haven't been particularily clever this game, someone might not out themselves being blocked in fear of getting lynched.
As Serejai posted they could have not shot for whatever reason. So medic could have been blocked, and medic doesn't wanna out before lategame because he's gonna get killed if he does.
This is the same reason why I think bats outing of being medic is either really stupid or wrong (could still be town or mafia).
Like if he's mafia, the real medic wouldn't cc, since claiming medic is retarded before endgame.

I'm not saying this is a lot of propability.
But it's not 100% and there could be mafia strategy behind it.

On November 14 2014 04:22 Elvis! wrote:
ff I'm sorry, now apparently I'm mafia.

On November 14 2014 04:27 Fecalfeast wrote:
I mean if one of the mafia was really good at reading blue!batsnacks i could see a scenario where you're not confirmed town, rayn ♥

On November 14 2014 04:35 Fecalfeast wrote:
It's my fairytale land where you join a game where your mafia team is kush/afksentinel and have to try the hail mary.

There's a reason I am reluctant to post it because it's the least concrete case of all time.

On November 14 2014 04:35 Fecalfeast wrote:
...and have to try the hail mary.

On November 14 2014 04:52 Fecalfeast wrote:

If you pulled it off this game and I was right I'm still gonna strut around like a mentally challenged rooster. Even if I lose.

On November 14 2014 04:53 Superbia wrote:
I have like 5 minutes before I have to leave again. Rayn, is there any way I can convince you to lynch Obi today? I'm not completely against the Elvis lynch, but I really think Obi is the last one here.

On November 14 2014 05:03 Elvis! wrote:



Well, if bats didn't claim he wouldn't have died and we'd still have a doctor.
If we weren't lucky and 2 of the mafia gave up so early this would maybe have lost us the game.
mafia can roleblock themselves so they don't have to shoot.

There still are scenarios where you're not confirmed, so can you stop being so bitchy about it?
You're not confirmed until you're dead dude. Sorry to bust your bubble of confirmed-ness.
Mafia can block themselves and some people (yes they do) sometimes claim stuff as town.

On November 14 2014 05:12 Elvis! wrote:
Like we had a person fake-counter-claim cop and rescind 3 minutes before deadline.

On November 14 2014 05:38 Fecalfeast wrote:
lol obi's in full lurkerscum mode.

I want to kill obi

On November 14 2014 05:44 Elvis! wrote:
uhm, never said bats is mafai.
lol.

On November 14 2014 05:46 Elvis! wrote:



that's a thing you called me scum for .

Rayn confirmed scum

On November 14 2014 06:09 Elvis! wrote:
....since people never point of stuff that's not a misconception or wrong.

On November 14 2014 06:11 Elvis! wrote:
so considering all possible scenarios, which, since scum doesn't sit around scratching their balls all game are possible I'm scum?
This is becoming so ridiculous, but I guess that's rayn when he tunnels.
I like how I get blamed for "ignoring evidence" and he's yet to comment on me asking him like 3 times what he thinks of sl wanting our doc to claim and how that's terrible.

On November 14 2014 06:12 Elvis! wrote:
please point out 5 things that are like that.
I'm sure at least 2 aren't correct or in the least scummy.

On November 14 2014 06:21 Elvis! wrote:
Please post 5 things that are bad/scummy in my play. I promise some won't actually be scummy, will be uneeded, or misconceptions.

On November 14 2014 06:26 Breshke wrote:
Elvis this is the problem. Last game you basically had the same strong scum read on me that you have on SL now and i was town that game. People are telling you SL is town this game and one of those people being a confirmed rayn. Now im not going to say im totally against the thought of SL being scum but rayn seems to feel very strongly about it so im happy to go along with his read because it makes sense to me.

If you are scum reading someone like this and everyone calls them town you need to try and reevulate. You might be right, he could be scum but even if he was you need to try and look at other things aswell. The fact that the only thing you choose to go with to call someone else scum is that "someone got the cop lynched" isn't great. I voted for the cop and got him lynched and im your sole town read.

Also the fact that this is the only thing that you can call someone scum for makes me feel that you arnt reading the game. Or that when you are reading the game you look at it from the perspective that SL is scum. Even if this is right i don't think it's good play because you seem to miss so much of what everyone else does. I don't mean you don't read it i mean you don't evaluate it as towny or scumy

On November 14 2014 06:30 Elvis! wrote:
I'm town as well.
Claiming medic is retarded before end of game since he'll just get nightkilled and we'll lose a pr.
I always knew there is a medic in this game.
They can fake-claim as mafia, did you see this game.
Did you see KSC getting lynched for fake-claiming, which has been proven? Is he dead?
Roleblock can be put on mafia, but again, fake-claims are a thing you ignore.

Also as you know this is the first game for me with a lot of claims and I went from what I knew and saw scenarios where they aren't confirmed, so I posted my thoughts and posted the scenarios.
Also, everyone at the time was posting much more wild scenarios that are untruths. Mine are at least in theory possible!
This doesn't really hurt town or isn't mafia, since I didn't push anyone based on that more than "lean scum".

I'm playing very similair to that game, but this time I have a lot more legit reasons for my push I think.
Like how can you say it's impossible for me to be town when you have sicklucker posting like this in the game.
A lot of people even agreed on that and he almost got lynched already.

None of these are reasons that aren't WIFOM-could-be-town-could-be-mafia.

This is the worst case you made in your mafia career rayn.

On November 14 2014 06:35 Serejai wrote:
What if someone is actually town and mafia AT THE SAME TIME?

On November 14 2014 06:41 Elvis! wrote:


Assuming this situation where we're not lynching scum anytime soon.
Also, at the point of time there was more than 1 scum left since that's the point in time he was posting it.

if scum:
after that day/night there will most likely be a mislynch since the confirmed town-scum can lead a mislynch and there'll be a mislynch and the doctor dead.
After the next day/night they will lynch the right guy and another guy gets night-killed.
4:1. only one mislynch from lylo.
Not that terrible for scum since he's most likely almost confirmed since he bussed his friend.

if town:
after that day/night there might or might not be a correct lynch, and the doctor is dead after that night.
Life goes on and nothing is gained, but a powerrole lost for having a confirmed town for 1 day.
Best scenario ever for town.

On November 12 2014 10:30 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Not a clue.

I'm not lynching you or SL, that's for certain.

On November 12 2014 11:53 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Everything SL says is so town.

Cripes. Who's the jubber still trying to lynch him?

On November 12 2014 13:09 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
God, SL's filter is completely unreadable. It's like looking into a poorly written sun.

I'm just kind of annoyed now that I'm looking at it.

On November 14 2014 06:47 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Rayn, you literally couldn't have picked a worse time to try to lynch me. I've got like 40 minutes before I have to do RL stuff so let's try to make this reasonably quick.

On November 14 2014 06:52 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Fuck, when is EoD?

Alright, my read on him was based on him saying stuff that made me giggle and him being fairly productive when in-thread.

Fecalfeast was the one convincing me to vote him based on his filter, which upon closer inspection looked fairly padded and had some questionable actions, such as his so called "information lynches" and his insistence on bluehunting.

Is it grounds for a lynch? Maybe. Maybe not. I unvoted him at some point because I realized that an afk scumteam never would have had the opportunity to switch to him over kush.

I haven't put in the time or effort to warrant following up on it, so meh.