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On November 04 2014 00:55 LightningStrike wrote:He made some rather strange posts earlier in the thread Show nested quote +On November 03 2014 12:35 Immaterial wrote:On November 03 2014 12:05 Grackaroni wrote:On November 03 2014 11:37 Immaterial wrote:
In light of what everyone has been saying, I'm reasonably convinced about superbia so:
##vote: superbia
As a new player I don't fully understand that tunnelling stuff he was talking about, but it did sound strange. This is a really strange vote. You want to lynch super but you have no idea why he is scummy? I didn't say that I have no idea why -- I said I didn't "fully understand" the tunneling business. I had already searched and found an article on that mafia wiki site, but I still didn't completely understand what he meant by that in the given context. My interpretation of tunneling is that he would just select on person he's convinced is mafia and target them relentlessly (tunnel vision). I don't know if that's the correct interpretation, but my honest read on it was that Superbia's approach in those posts was strange. My vote was based on that combined with some other people's posts. He seems to be trying to steer us away from the whole fiasco in his next post Show nested quote +On November 03 2014 12:57 Immaterial wrote:On November 03 2014 12:38 Breshke wrote:On November 03 2014 12:35 Immaterial wrote:On November 03 2014 12:05 Grackaroni wrote:On November 03 2014 11:37 Immaterial wrote:
In light of what everyone has been saying, I'm reasonably convinced about superbia so:
##vote: superbia
As a new player I don't fully understand that tunnelling stuff he was talking about, but it did sound strange. This is a really strange vote. You want to lynch super but you have no idea why he is scummy? I didn't say that I have no idea why -- I said I didn't "fully understand" the tunneling business. I had already searched and found an article on that mafia wiki site, but I still didn't completely understand what he meant by that in the given context. My interpretation of tunneling is that he would just select on person he's convinced is mafia and target them relentlessly (tunnel vision). I don't know if that's the correct interpretation, but my honest read on it was that Superbia's approach in those posts was strange. My vote was based on that combined with some other people's posts. Who's posts, which ones try quote them if you can. What do you think about them because of these posts? I suppose the main post I'm referring to in regard to Superbia is Kelsier's: + Show Spoiler +On November 03 2014 11:07 KelsierSC wrote:
My reasons for super
1. Deliberately tunneling is anti town. You have no desire to solve the game and you make things harder for the rest if town.
2. I looked through his past games. I couldn't find many but i don't see evidence of him tunneling d1 at all so why does he have this tunneling ticket nonsense. just seems like a contrived entry to the thread and not really wanting to solve the game.
3. Also looking through his past games, the recent mafia game of his was very trolly
this again looks like hm setting up to troll and dick around d1.
4. After stating hr is going to hard tunnel on someone he just picks up and leaves the thread
Superbia's initial posts seemed trollish at the very least. He just dropped the posts and bailed from the thread... Maybe he's just busy, but in any case it seems that doing what he did serves little purpose but to instill confusion/chaos among the town. Kelsier's reasoning in the post quoted above regarding Superbia seems sound. It's very fishy for me with those two posts.
Strange and fishy are not good arguments for calling someone scum. Explain to me why these posts make him scum.
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Eric is Elvis.
Elvis said initial posts dont matter, you thought Elvis was making sense. So why does the initial post of sentinel matter enough to make him scum.
maybe he agrees to the tunnel because you lookked scummy start of day. Why is sentinal the top mafia over the other people who voted on you?
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so this is how to get a free namechange......
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I just woke up, thought there'd be more to read but I'll be phone for a while wgile i catch up
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+ Show Spoiler +On November 03 2014 13:06 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2014 11:51 Elvis! wrote:
@sentinel he's trolling on like the second page of the thread.
Stop trying to make reasonable posts in the first pages happen. Its not gonna happen.
Surely trolly behaviour is typically scum, because scum want to distract from something with it. Is he distracting from something?
As long as he doesn't go full retard and fulfill his promise, I don't read him town/scum for that.
His reaction is all that counts. Trolling is distracting in its nature because people react and it creates a chaotic situation favorable to scum instead of everyone trying to find out who the scum is. Show nested quote +On November 03 2014 12:04 KelsierSC wrote:
Sentinal can you give reads on what has happened so far. Give me reads i. Myself, bats, ff, frak and bresh to start with. You (and bat)I'd give you two towncred for your presence in the thread. You're both arguing your points (the motivations of kush, etc.), progressing logically, and incorporating new information as it comes up. That's pretty good town play and solid considering we're working with a single-digit number of actual game pages at this point. This doesn't incorporate into my read on batsnacks much (namely because he's one of my top two towns at this point), but I've frequently seen scum give themselves subconscious townie points by helping the mods since it looks like it's done in the name of clarity. Him offering the filters/important posts doesn't seem like scum covering themselves up though, because he's so active without the offerings, but if he drops off in later days it will be something I factor into my consideration. FFNull. Not sure if this is a joke but I kinda felt like he was jumping the gun here: Show nested quote +On November 03 2014 11:25 Fecalfeast wrote:
That's a dirty trick putting [/quote] in your post to mess up anyone who quotes you. Otherwise, nothing to report. breshNull-town. Contributing where he can. He does bring up a good point here: Show nested quote +On November 03 2014 11:42 Breshke wrote:
I disagree with the superbia bandwagon and i know its early and votes can change but the amount of people that are voting him for such a small post are surprising.
Elvis do you have no reads from the rest of the game even leaning town or scum?
Immaterial could you explain to me why you think what superbia did makes him mafia?
But I think the wagon on Superbia isn't anything to be worried about if he is in fact town. A lot of people are simply waiting on him to show up and offer some new evidence, and if I like what I see when he wakes up, I'll drop my own vote as well. GrackI like his open-mindedness: Show nested quote +On November 03 2014 12:27 Grackaroni wrote:I just did give you something but I will comment on your Superbia suspicion. On November 03 2014 11:07 KelsierSC wrote:
My reasons for super
1. Deliberately tunneling is anti town. You have no desire to solve the game and you make things harder for the rest if town.
2. I looked through his past games. I couldn't find many but i don't see evidence of him tunneling d1 at all so why does he have this tunneling ticket nonsense. just seems like a contrived entry to the thread and not really wanting to solve the game.
3. Also looking through his past games, the recent mafia game of his was very trolly
this again looks like hm setting up to troll and dick around d1.
4. After stating hr is going to hard tunnel on someone he just picks up and leaves the thread
1) I think it's pretty clear that he wasn't actually planning on doing nothing but tunneling a random person for the rest of the day. He wrote some trolly posts at the start of the game; there's not much we can read into that he's only made 2 posts when nothing was happening. 2) Same as #1. Those posts don't actually mean he's going to tunnel. We all enter differently; Some people are super serious from the start. I like to troll at the start of games. 3)This could be a good point. If he shows a pattern of writing trolly posts at the start of games as mafia and being serious as town then that would be the start of a good meta argument. 4)He's from the Netherlands. I assume he went to bed. but I would like to make note of his self-admission to trolling at the start of games. I'd rather wait and see what he does before making a decision. ElvisNull-scum. I don't really like his aversion to getting into the game: Show nested quote +On November 03 2014 11:32 Elvis! wrote:
Also I can't get any reasonable townreads as of yet, since everyone is just reading into an obviously trolly post. and particularly his aversion to the few points of discussion we have at this point: Show nested quote +On November 03 2014 11:47 Elvis! wrote:
@Breshke atm Kelsier leans slightly town since he isn't scared of posting a lot and he seems to be trying to be useful, e.g. wanting to talk about all kinds of things.
Don't have a real read on the others, since most of the fluff is either about superbia/sentinel "tunneling" and not reading the op correctly. I've seen people get blamed for not reading the op (loafery, the last newbie game which you were in as well) endlessly to no avail. Atm sentinel looks really strongly like a second loafery, since people are calling him scum for not reading everything properly. I'll still have a look at what sentinel proceeds to post. He calls the entire discussion fluff, and then summarizes the game up to that point. (For the record, and for the final time, I read everything properly, I just read the "random" part with a grain of salt because, again, I host rigged "random" games on a regular basis and my first instinct is to compare knowledge of this game with my own knowledge.) And it seems like he's nervous to get into the game, but also like he's trying to participate but avoid contributing, if that makes sense. Probably the scummiest out of the active players, but with a few lurkers left and with kush and Superbia leaving the thread, that's not saying much.
so posting something trolly on the second page makes someone scummy, inflicts (apparently) massive amounts of chaos and confusion. Okay I guess. So we should be having ~5 scum caught already since a lot of people posted stuff like that on the first couple of pages. I would like to see your reaction now that Superbia showed what this was all about.
You pushed Superbia a lot more serious than others and are yet to retract your vote.
I still don't see Superbia's post as particularily scummy, apparently he's known for being a bit like that and I'd much rather say the people endlessly talking about his post did inflict more chaos than he did. Good thing people stopped doing that now.
For me, you lean scum atm.
Immaterial:
I don't want to further repeat things that have been posted already, but supporting ff's "totally reasonable posts" that didn't have significance, pushing on Superbia for something he doesn't even know about, and mostly for something he isn't even sure if he understood.
Then saying "It's trollish at the very least.", "He just dropped it and bailed" .
This sounds so much like someone - wait a second - tunneling on Superbia?
As already explained, he it was late in his country, about midnight, a reasonable time to go to bed. That's not what I call "dropped and bailed" .
Saying "trollish at the very least" - so what is it? I don't see it being anything except trollish and mostly not alignment indicative.
Now that he's explained himself, I'm looking forward to your posts.
For me, you lean scum as well.
Superbia:
I'm not sure about your methods, but you got a slight read out of it so I guess it's fine.
I agree with your read on Sentinel and am looking forward to more posts from your side.
You look town.
Chelsea:
I'm not quite sure about your posts, you did feel good about your push and then realised it's not good enough and retracted it. Seems quite reasonable and townie, but I wanna see more on other people (which you want to talk about, which is good, not keeping with the bad wagon we had for a while) before I make a proper judgement.
You lean town.
Disgustingnameguy:
Have him as a null read right now. Didn't do much productive or distracting.
Last time I played with him he was quite a clever scum(not counting my short appereance in the other recent game), so I'll have a look what happens this time.
Other people: Don't have time now, it's training time. Will comment on everyone else afterwards and more throughoutly as I then have the reactions of everyone to Superbia's reappereance.
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On November 03 2014 22:56 KelsierSC wrote:
If a bunch of people town read grak i will probably town read him, if people are unsure on him then he is probably scum
Can you explain this to me?
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@Superbia: I defended you mostly because I was responding to KSC, and that was the most interesting in his filter for me to talk about.
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On November 04 2014 02:30 Elvis! wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On November 03 2014 13:06 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2014 11:51 Elvis! wrote:
@sentinel he's trolling on like the second page of the thread.
Stop trying to make reasonable posts in the first pages happen. Its not gonna happen.
Surely trolly behaviour is typically scum, because scum want to distract from something with it. Is he distracting from something?
As long as he doesn't go full retard and fulfill his promise, I don't read him town/scum for that.
His reaction is all that counts. Trolling is distracting in its nature because people react and it creates a chaotic situation favorable to scum instead of everyone trying to find out who the scum is. Show nested quote +On November 03 2014 12:04 KelsierSC wrote:
Sentinal can you give reads on what has happened so far. Give me reads i. Myself, bats, ff, frak and bresh to start with. You (and bat)I'd give you two towncred for your presence in the thread. You're both arguing your points (the motivations of kush, etc.), progressing logically, and incorporating new information as it comes up. That's pretty good town play and solid considering we're working with a single-digit number of actual game pages at this point. This doesn't incorporate into my read on batsnacks much (namely because he's one of my top two towns at this point), but I've frequently seen scum give themselves subconscious townie points by helping the mods since it looks like it's done in the name of clarity. Him offering the filters/important posts doesn't seem like scum covering themselves up though, because he's so active without the offerings, but if he drops off in later days it will be something I factor into my consideration. FFNull. Not sure if this is a joke but I kinda felt like he was jumping the gun here: Show nested quote +On November 03 2014 11:25 Fecalfeast wrote:
That's a dirty trick putting [/quote] in your post to mess up anyone who quotes you. Otherwise, nothing to report. breshNull-town. Contributing where he can. He does bring up a good point here: Show nested quote +On November 03 2014 11:42 Breshke wrote:
I disagree with the superbia bandwagon and i know its early and votes can change but the amount of people that are voting him for such a small post are surprising.
Elvis do you have no reads from the rest of the game even leaning town or scum?
Immaterial could you explain to me why you think what superbia did makes him mafia?
But I think the wagon on Superbia isn't anything to be worried about if he is in fact town. A lot of people are simply waiting on him to show up and offer some new evidence, and if I like what I see when he wakes up, I'll drop my own vote as well. GrackI like his open-mindedness: Show nested quote +On November 03 2014 12:27 Grackaroni wrote:I just did give you something but I will comment on your Superbia suspicion. On November 03 2014 11:07 KelsierSC wrote:
My reasons for super
1. Deliberately tunneling is anti town. You have no desire to solve the game and you make things harder for the rest if town.
2. I looked through his past games. I couldn't find many but i don't see evidence of him tunneling d1 at all so why does he have this tunneling ticket nonsense. just seems like a contrived entry to the thread and not really wanting to solve the game.
3. Also looking through his past games, the recent mafia game of his was very trolly
this again looks like hm setting up to troll and dick around d1.
4. After stating hr is going to hard tunnel on someone he just picks up and leaves the thread
1) I think it's pretty clear that he wasn't actually planning on doing nothing but tunneling a random person for the rest of the day. He wrote some trolly posts at the start of the game; there's not much we can read into that he's only made 2 posts when nothing was happening. 2) Same as #1. Those posts don't actually mean he's going to tunnel. We all enter differently; Some people are super serious from the start. I like to troll at the start of games. 3)This could be a good point. If he shows a pattern of writing trolly posts at the start of games as mafia and being serious as town then that would be the start of a good meta argument. 4)He's from the Netherlands. I assume he went to bed. but I would like to make note of his self-admission to trolling at the start of games. I'd rather wait and see what he does before making a decision. ElvisNull-scum. I don't really like his aversion to getting into the game: Show nested quote +On November 03 2014 11:32 Elvis! wrote:
Also I can't get any reasonable townreads as of yet, since everyone is just reading into an obviously trolly post. and particularly his aversion to the few points of discussion we have at this point: Show nested quote +On November 03 2014 11:47 Elvis! wrote:
@Breshke atm Kelsier leans slightly town since he isn't scared of posting a lot and he seems to be trying to be useful, e.g. wanting to talk about all kinds of things.
Don't have a real read on the others, since most of the fluff is either about superbia/sentinel "tunneling" and not reading the op correctly. I've seen people get blamed for not reading the op (loafery, the last newbie game which you were in as well) endlessly to no avail. Atm sentinel looks really strongly like a second loafery, since people are calling him scum for not reading everything properly. I'll still have a look at what sentinel proceeds to post. He calls the entire discussion fluff, and then summarizes the game up to that point. (For the record, and for the final time, I read everything properly, I just read the "random" part with a grain of salt because, again, I host rigged "random" games on a regular basis and my first instinct is to compare knowledge of this game with my own knowledge.) And it seems like he's nervous to get into the game, but also like he's trying to participate but avoid contributing, if that makes sense. Probably the scummiest out of the active players, but with a few lurkers left and with kush and Superbia leaving the thread, that's not saying much. so posting something trolly on the second page makes someone scummy, inflicts (apparently) massive amounts of chaos and confusion. Okay I guess. So we should be having ~5 scum caught already since a lot of people posted stuff like that on the first couple of pages. I would like to see your reaction now that Superbia showed what this was all about. You pushed Superbia a lot more serious than others and are yet to retract your vote. I still don't see Superbia's post as particularily scummy, apparently he's known for being a bit like that and I'd much rather say the people endlessly talking about his post did inflict more chaos than he did. Good thing people stopped doing that now. For me, you lean scum atm.
I don't read Sentinel's posts the same way as you do. How was he the most serious person to push Superbia? He sheeped KSC's reasoning while stating that his read will change based on what Superbia posts tomorrow. He hasn't even posted since Superbia came back to thread (i.e. he couldn't retract his vote), so I don't understand how you came to this conclusion.
On November 03 2014 11:20 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Makes sense. I'll put my vote on him for now
##Vote: Superbia
At least until he comes out and defends himself.
If he's lazy town (evidenced by "I'll do it tomorrow"), I don't see the rationale in saying "step right up and I'll build a case on you" in the first place.
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On November 04 2014 03:55 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2014 22:56 KelsierSC wrote:
If a bunch of people town read grak i will probably town read him, if people are unsure on him then he is probably scum Can you explain this to me?
Last game I played with you when you were town lots of people managed to read you as town quite early.
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What Grack said. Or, straight from the horse's mouth,
On November 03 2014 13:06 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
But I think the wagon on Superbia isn't anything to be worried about if he is in fact town. A lot of people are simply waiting on him to show up and offer some new evidence, and if I like what I see when he wakes up, I'll drop my own vote as well.
So let's look at his returning post:
On November 04 2014 00:37 Superbia wrote:
Ha! You have all underestimated Superbia's Digging Company!
The play is pretty straightforward. Experienced town is never going to take the contract for these reasons:
- If I'm town, I'll be wasting my time tunneling on a townie (from their perspective)
- If I'm mafia, I'll have a great excuse to go hard on them all day.
Scum, however, is more likely to take the contract for the following reasons:
- WIFOM
- I'm not afraid of being watched, I swear!
- Easy fallback on "Wow I can't believe you actually tunneled me, you're dumb as shit"
Since Sentinel is an experienced player (apparently), I'm pretty sure he's mafai here. Him following the badsnacks pressure train (and FF/kelsier's push) on me doesn't help. Why agree and then go against it?
##Vote: [UoN]Sentinel
I wait for you to make an argument and see who, if anyone, sheeps it or incorporates it into their case on me. Then I can poke holes in it appropriately, and I have a list of people who are trying to sneak by under the floorboards while you attract all the attention. Making reads based on people's reactions to events is much easier when you're involved in said events. It eliminates one of the variables.
That part of itself doesn't actually paint you as town or scum - rather my scum read was not being able to understand a town rationale of offering to tunnel and attracting attention, and then promising not to do it for a while. That seemed like a distraction.
Fecalfeast - Show nested quote +On November 03 2014 11:06 Fecalfeast wrote:
Tunneling someone who volunteers, IMHO, sounds like some really unproductive stuff. Maybe I have an incorrect definition of tunneling. To just pick the first person who raises their hand and focus only on that person is to waste his time and energy on a gamble.
At least an RNG lynch opens up analysis for D2 based on votes. If the person he tunnels is town we have to decide what to do with super before we analyze votes. I don't see ANY upside to announcing: "I TUNNEL SOMEONE PLS VOLUNTEER" and actually following through.
If someone could enlighten me as to why he is town, that'd help a lot. Why are you pushing someone for something that hasn't even happened yet? If you were really looking to catch scum you would wait for me to follow up and then evaluate from here. Pushing on someone for something insubstantial is pretty scummy: it's a losing strategy for town, and an easy way to get town-read as scum. Scum-lean on FF.
We're pushing more for a reaction from you, if anything. Just as a way to get you to come out, shrug off any suspicion that doesn't belong, and then proceed as needed. It's the beginning of the day - any votes this early are most likely going to be changed as needed.
Elvis! - Elvis made sense and seems to have the same viewpoint as I would have on my post. Leaning town.
Why would town Elvis continue to mention that your post was trolling if he was trying to get people to discuss something else? That doesn't seem very sensible to me; it just refocuses discussion on the nature of your post.
I have no qualms with your reads on Grack and Immaterial at this point.
LightningStrike - Leaning mafia. Sheeps the vote for me but doesn't really seem to have a real opinion on the matter. This post screams mafia trying to insert themselves into a push/conversation: Show nested quote +On November 03 2014 22:33 LightningStrike wrote:
I just woke up and saw someone thinking as a scum and I can understand a bit because I still a new player on TL mafia. But currently Elvis mainly made really large posts from what I had seen except when he said he will be in a couple of hours after uni and we will need to wait for a response from him. ## Unvote it seem just Superbia made some troll posts and we kind of over reacted to it.
Not going to lie the formatting of LS's post is confusing me as to his intentions. From my own perspective I can't tell if this is indicative of LS being newbie town or mafia at this point.
Overall, I don't know how to feel about you at this point. I'm definitely satisfied enough to take the pressure vote off:
##Unvote
But I can't quite get a good picture with your posting yet.
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On November 04 2014 02:30 Elvis! wrote:
so posting something trolly on the second page makes someone scummy, inflicts (apparently) massive amounts of chaos and confusion. Okay I guess. So we should be having ~5 scum caught already since a lot of people posted stuff like that on the first couple of pages.
The difference is that what Superbia did became central to our discussion. Hell, even my post about RNG-rigging could have been a similar reason to pressure vote me, although I was around to clear up the discussion while Superbia went to sleep.
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As a side note... You really shouldn't rig your games. That's bad and stuff.
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On November 04 2014 05:54 batsnacks wrote:
As a side note... You really shouldn't rig your games. That's bad and stuff.
Keeps things balanced. I've adjusted all four of the Titanic games. I defer to RNG sometimes, but I shift people around as needed.
The 50% chance I do for the Janitor shot is never predetermined by me, though.
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On November 04 2014 04:19 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2014 02:30 Elvis! wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On November 03 2014 13:06 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2014 11:51 Elvis! wrote:
@sentinel he's trolling on like the second page of the thread.
Stop trying to make reasonable posts in the first pages happen. Its not gonna happen.
Surely trolly behaviour is typically scum, because scum want to distract from something with it. Is he distracting from something?
As long as he doesn't go full retard and fulfill his promise, I don't read him town/scum for that.
His reaction is all that counts. Trolling is distracting in its nature because people react and it creates a chaotic situation favorable to scum instead of everyone trying to find out who the scum is. Show nested quote +On November 03 2014 12:04 KelsierSC wrote:
Sentinal can you give reads on what has happened so far. Give me reads i. Myself, bats, ff, frak and bresh to start with. You (and bat)I'd give you two towncred for your presence in the thread. You're both arguing your points (the motivations of kush, etc.), progressing logically, and incorporating new information as it comes up. That's pretty good town play and solid considering we're working with a single-digit number of actual game pages at this point. This doesn't incorporate into my read on batsnacks much (namely because he's one of my top two towns at this point), but I've frequently seen scum give themselves subconscious townie points by helping the mods since it looks like it's done in the name of clarity. Him offering the filters/important posts doesn't seem like scum covering themselves up though, because he's so active without the offerings, but if he drops off in later days it will be something I factor into my consideration. FFNull. Not sure if this is a joke but I kinda felt like he was jumping the gun here: Show nested quote +On November 03 2014 11:25 Fecalfeast wrote:
That's a dirty trick putting [/quote] in your post to mess up anyone who quotes you. Otherwise, nothing to report. breshNull-town. Contributing where he can. He does bring up a good point here: Show nested quote +On November 03 2014 11:42 Breshke wrote:
I disagree with the superbia bandwagon and i know its early and votes can change but the amount of people that are voting him for such a small post are surprising.
Elvis do you have no reads from the rest of the game even leaning town or scum?
Immaterial could you explain to me why you think what superbia did makes him mafia?
But I think the wagon on Superbia isn't anything to be worried about if he is in fact town. A lot of people are simply waiting on him to show up and offer some new evidence, and if I like what I see when he wakes up, I'll drop my own vote as well. GrackI like his open-mindedness: Show nested quote +On November 03 2014 12:27 Grackaroni wrote:I just did give you something but I will comment on your Superbia suspicion. On November 03 2014 11:07 KelsierSC wrote:
My reasons for super
1. Deliberately tunneling is anti town. You have no desire to solve the game and you make things harder for the rest if town.
2. I looked through his past games. I couldn't find many but i don't see evidence of him tunneling d1 at all so why does he have this tunneling ticket nonsense. just seems like a contrived entry to the thread and not really wanting to solve the game.
3. Also looking through his past games, the recent mafia game of his was very trolly
this again looks like hm setting up to troll and dick around d1.
4. After stating hr is going to hard tunnel on someone he just picks up and leaves the thread
1) I think it's pretty clear that he wasn't actually planning on doing nothing but tunneling a random person for the rest of the day. He wrote some trolly posts at the start of the game; there's not much we can read into that he's only made 2 posts when nothing was happening. 2) Same as #1. Those posts don't actually mean he's going to tunnel. We all enter differently; Some people are super serious from the start. I like to troll at the start of games. 3)This could be a good point. If he shows a pattern of writing trolly posts at the start of games as mafia and being serious as town then that would be the start of a good meta argument. 4)He's from the Netherlands. I assume he went to bed. but I would like to make note of his self-admission to trolling at the start of games. I'd rather wait and see what he does before making a decision. ElvisNull-scum. I don't really like his aversion to getting into the game: Show nested quote +On November 03 2014 11:32 Elvis! wrote:
Also I can't get any reasonable townreads as of yet, since everyone is just reading into an obviously trolly post. and particularly his aversion to the few points of discussion we have at this point: Show nested quote +On November 03 2014 11:47 Elvis! wrote:
@Breshke atm Kelsier leans slightly town since he isn't scared of posting a lot and he seems to be trying to be useful, e.g. wanting to talk about all kinds of things.
Don't have a real read on the others, since most of the fluff is either about superbia/sentinel "tunneling" and not reading the op correctly. I've seen people get blamed for not reading the op (loafery, the last newbie game which you were in as well) endlessly to no avail. Atm sentinel looks really strongly like a second loafery, since people are calling him scum for not reading everything properly. I'll still have a look at what sentinel proceeds to post. He calls the entire discussion fluff, and then summarizes the game up to that point. (For the record, and for the final time, I read everything properly, I just read the "random" part with a grain of salt because, again, I host rigged "random" games on a regular basis and my first instinct is to compare knowledge of this game with my own knowledge.) And it seems like he's nervous to get into the game, but also like he's trying to participate but avoid contributing, if that makes sense. Probably the scummiest out of the active players, but with a few lurkers left and with kush and Superbia leaving the thread, that's not saying much. so posting something trolly on the second page makes someone scummy, inflicts (apparently) massive amounts of chaos and confusion. Okay I guess. So we should be having ~5 scum caught already since a lot of people posted stuff like that on the first couple of pages. I would like to see your reaction now that Superbia showed what this was all about. You pushed Superbia a lot more serious than others and are yet to retract your vote. I still don't see Superbia's post as particularily scummy, apparently he's known for being a bit like that and I'd much rather say the people endlessly talking about his post did inflict more chaos than he did. Good thing people stopped doing that now. For me, you lean scum atm. I don't read Sentinel's posts the same way as you do. How was he the most serious person to push Superbia? He sheeped KSC's reasoning while stating that his read will change based on what Superbia posts tomorrow. He hasn't even posted since Superbia came back to thread (i.e. he couldn't retract his vote), so I don't understand how you came to this conclusion. Show nested quote +On November 03 2014 11:20 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Makes sense. I'll put my vote on him for now
##Vote: Superbia
At least until he comes out and defends himself.
If he's lazy town (evidenced by "I'll do it tomorrow"), I don't see the rationale in saying "step right up and I'll build a case on you" in the first place.
I would like you not to turn words around in my mouth. I never said the most, I said a lot more than some others, since some people just were like "I like the case vote superbia".
Also, not posting doesn't mean he hasn't seen it yet AND some people (I'm positively looking at you, chelsea) retracted when they realised it wasn't useful, BEFORE superbia even posted.
Even if he really at that point didn't see it yet, he still had it at least until then, even though people agreed way beforehand that it's not a topic that will find us scum.
Of course the scenario exists, where he posted his last post, went off, didn't look at anything until some time after superbia posted. But this is mafia, people usually read it a lot if they're clever, be it mafai (thanks superbia) or town.
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@breshke I will answer your questions momentarily
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On November 04 2014 05:50 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2014 02:30 Elvis! wrote:
so posting something trolly on the second page makes someone scummy, inflicts (apparently) massive amounts of chaos and confusion. Okay I guess. So we should be having ~5 scum caught already since a lot of people posted stuff like that on the first couple of pages. The difference is that what Superbia did became central to our discussion. Hell, even my post about RNG-rigging could have been a similar reason to pressure vote me, although I was around to clear up the discussion while Superbia went to sleep.
Well then even you say that your post was as trolly/chaotic as superbia's? A scum slip this early?
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I mean him not applying the same logic to himself as to superbia being the scum slip.
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Why would town Elvis continue to mention that your post was trolling if he was trying to get people to discuss something else? That doesn't seem very sensible to me; it just refocuses discussion on the nature of your post.
Sooooo in what way is saying that this is an unnecesarry topic bringing the focus back to it? Especially most of my posts were in a row and people didn't even have time to write something in between?
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On November 03 2014 13:24 Breshke wrote:Elvis sentinel raises a good point. I want to kind of rephrase it as an actual question to you. You entered the thread saying you couldn't get a read off anyone because everyone was reading into a trolly post. Then in basically every single one of your following posts you continue to mention the superbia situation. Why didn't you try and guide the conversation towards something else instead of just letting us talk about something you thought was not very useful. Show nested quote +On November 03 2014 11:38 Elvis! wrote:On November 03 2014 11:37 KelsierSC wrote:
There are other things to discuss outside of supers post Make an example I don't like that this post makes it seem like you arn't in the mindset to try and find peoples alignments from their posts and need someone to specifically point stuff out to you. This isn't what i remember you being like last game.
See explanation below.
On November 03 2014 11:42 Breshke wrote:
I disagree with the superbia bandwagon and i know its early and votes can change but the amount of people that are voting him for such a small post are surprising.
Elvis do you have no reads from the rest of the game even leaning town or scum?
Immaterial could you explain to me why you think what superbia did makes him mafia?
At that point, due to tiredness and not knowing what to say about people who are mostly talking about fluff, I didn't wanna give reads, because they would just have been really terrible gut feelings.
Now that I had a little bit more information and mostly time to post stuff and think about stuff, I did post what I think of people.
To add to that, I consider you leaning town this game, as you're
1. sheeping less than the last games.
2. have less contradictions.
3. don't make confusing posts and most importantly:
4. do ask relevant questions.
You lean town.
If I missed a question or if I'm still puzzling you, go and ask more.
If not, let's go on!
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