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Elvis!
Profile Joined April 2012
Germany396 Posts
November 03 2014 22:22 GMT
#361
Where is people?
other people turn around and laugh at you - if you say - that these are the best days - of their lives. - Blur
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
November 03 2014 22:25 GMT
#362
i am here elvis just trying to get a read on you
Zerg for Life
Elvis!
Profile Joined April 2012
Germany396 Posts
November 03 2014 22:34 GMT
#363
Talking about this Lightning guy.
So he begins with a vote on superbia.
...
I don't even...
Like how can you vote someone without giving reasoning.

Ok, he later on gives reasoning after being asked multiple times, as he says "I have read chelsea's posts (and I wanna look town so I agree with the guy who people think is townie)"

Then he's like, "wait a second, chelsea pulled his vote back. Time to pull mine back as well so I fit in again and don't look suspicious. Being mafai is so easy".

Then he sees people going on about Immortal.
Now guess what happens next.
He calls someone fishy without reasoning what exactly is meant, why it is fishy, why that appears scummy or anything of importance.
Generally, I am yet to see him post his own opinion that isn't basically copy-pasted from someone (especially chelsea), rephrased or wishy-washy (referring to his recent post on Immortal being "fishy").

I am yet to see his posts exceed 4 lines, and even those 4 lines don't ever have content. He just rephrases stuff and basically reposts others, and I'm yet to see anything productive from him.
He doesn't even remotely try hunting scum
For now, if he doesn't drastically change his playstyle or someone more definitive arrises, I view him as a mafia lurker.

##Vote LightningStrike .
other people turn around and laugh at you - if you say - that these are the best days - of their lives. - Blur
Elvis!
Profile Joined April 2012
Germany396 Posts
November 03 2014 22:37 GMT
#364
Chelsea (I'm sticking to this name if that's alright. It's just easier really) not wanting to distract from you reading me, but what's your current view on Mr. Blitz? Is he donkey town or lurker mafai?

(Blitz means lightning in German)
other people turn around and laugh at you - if you say - that these are the best days - of their lives. - Blur
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
November 03 2014 22:38 GMT
#365
I like that vote. Elvis! has joined my d1 towncircle.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9856 Posts
November 03 2014 22:39 GMT
#366
On November 04 2014 06:53 Elvis! wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2014 04:19 Grackaroni wrote:
On November 04 2014 02:30 Elvis! wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On November 03 2014 13:06 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
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On November 03 2014 11:51 Elvis! wrote:
@sentinel he's trolling on like the second page of the thread.
Stop trying to make reasonable posts in the first pages happen. Its not gonna happen.
Surely trolly behaviour is typically scum, because scum want to distract from something with it. Is he distracting from something?
As long as he doesn't go full retard and fulfill his promise, I don't read him town/scum for that.
His reaction is all that counts.

Trolling is distracting in its nature because people react and it creates a chaotic situation favorable to scum instead of everyone trying to find out who the scum is.

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On November 03 2014 12:04 KelsierSC wrote:
Sentinal can you give reads on what has happened so far. Give me reads i. Myself, bats, ff, frak and bresh to start with.

You (and bat)
I'd give you two towncred for your presence in the thread. You're both arguing your points (the motivations of kush, etc.), progressing logically, and incorporating new information as it comes up. That's pretty good town play and solid considering we're working with a single-digit number of actual game pages at this point.

This doesn't incorporate into my read on batsnacks much (namely because he's one of my top two towns at this point), but I've frequently seen scum give themselves subconscious townie points by helping the mods since it looks like it's done in the name of clarity. Him offering the filters/important posts doesn't seem like scum covering themselves up though, because he's so active without the offerings, but if he drops off in later days it will be something I factor into my consideration.

FF
Null. Not sure if this is a joke but I kinda felt like he was jumping the gun here:
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On November 03 2014 11:25 Fecalfeast wrote:
That's a dirty trick putting [/quote] in your post to mess up anyone who quotes you.

Otherwise, nothing to report.

bresh
Null-town. Contributing where he can. He does bring up a good point here:
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On November 03 2014 11:42 Breshke wrote:
I disagree with the superbia bandwagon and i know its early and votes can change but the amount of people that are voting him for such a small post are surprising.

Elvis do you have no reads from the rest of the game even leaning town or scum?

Immaterial could you explain to me why you think what superbia did makes him mafia?

But I think the wagon on Superbia isn't anything to be worried about if he is in fact town. A lot of people are simply waiting on him to show up and offer some new evidence, and if I like what I see when he wakes up, I'll drop my own vote as well.

Grack
I like his open-mindedness:
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On November 03 2014 12:27 Grackaroni wrote:
I just did give you something but I will comment on your Superbia suspicion.

On November 03 2014 11:07 KelsierSC wrote:
My reasons for super

1. Deliberately tunneling is anti town. You have no desire to solve the game and you make things harder for the rest if town.
2. I looked through his past games. I couldn't find many but i don't see evidence of him tunneling d1 at all so why does he have this tunneling ticket nonsense. just seems like a contrived entry to the thread and not really wanting to solve the game.
3. Also looking through his past games, the recent mafia game of his was very trolly
this again looks like hm setting up to troll and dick around d1.
4. After stating hr is going to hard tunnel on someone he just picks up and leaves the thread

1) I think it's pretty clear that he wasn't actually planning on doing nothing but tunneling a random person for the rest of the day. He wrote some trolly posts at the start of the game; there's not much we can read into that he's only made 2 posts when nothing was happening.

2) Same as #1. Those posts don't actually mean he's going to tunnel. We all enter differently; Some people are super serious from the start. I like to troll at the start of games.

3)This could be a good point. If he shows a pattern of writing trolly posts at the start of games as mafia and being serious as town then that would be the start of a good meta argument.

4)He's from the Netherlands. I assume he went to bed.

but I would like to make note of his self-admission to trolling at the start of games. I'd rather wait and see what he does before making a decision.

Elvis
Null-scum.

I don't really like his aversion to getting into the game:

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On November 03 2014 11:32 Elvis! wrote:
Also I can't get any reasonable townreads as of yet, since everyone is just reading into an obviously trolly post.

and particularly his aversion to the few points of discussion we have at this point:

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On November 03 2014 11:47 Elvis! wrote:
@Breshke atm Kelsier leans slightly town since he isn't scared of posting a lot and he seems to be trying to be useful, e.g. wanting to talk about all kinds of things.
Don't have a real read on the others, since most of the fluff is either about superbia/sentinel "tunneling" and not reading the op correctly. I've seen people get blamed for not reading the op (loafery, the last newbie game which you were in as well) endlessly to no avail. Atm sentinel looks really strongly like a second loafery, since people are calling him scum for not reading everything properly. I'll still have a look at what sentinel proceeds to post.


He calls the entire discussion fluff, and then summarizes the game up to that point. (For the record, and for the final time, I read everything properly, I just read the "random" part with a grain of salt because, again, I host rigged "random" games on a regular basis and my first instinct is to compare knowledge of this game with my own knowledge.)

And it seems like he's nervous to get into the game, but also like he's trying to participate but avoid contributing, if that makes sense. Probably the scummiest out of the active players, but with a few lurkers left and with kush and Superbia leaving the thread, that's not saying much.






so posting something trolly on the second page makes someone scummy, inflicts (apparently) massive amounts of chaos and confusion. Okay I guess. So we should be having ~5 scum caught already since a lot of people posted stuff like that on the first couple of pages. I would like to see your reaction now that Superbia showed what this was all about.

You pushed Superbia a lot more serious than others and are yet to retract your vote.
I still don't see Superbia's post as particularily scummy, apparently he's known for being a bit like that and I'd much rather say the people endlessly talking about his post did inflict more chaos than he did. Good thing people stopped doing that now.

For me, you lean scum atm.

I don't read Sentinel's posts the same way as you do. How was he the most serious person to push Superbia? He sheeped KSC's reasoning while stating that his read will change based on what Superbia posts tomorrow. He hasn't even posted since Superbia came back to thread (i.e. he couldn't retract his vote), so I don't understand how you came to this conclusion.
On November 03 2014 11:20 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Makes sense. I'll put my vote on him for now

##Vote: Superbia

At least until he comes out and defends himself.

If he's lazy town (evidenced by "I'll do it tomorrow"), I don't see the rationale in saying "step right up and I'll build a case on you" in the first place.




I would like you not to turn words around in my mouth. I never said the most, I said a lot more than some others, since some people just were like "I like the case vote superbia".
Also, not posting doesn't mean he hasn't seen it yet AND some people (I'm positively looking at you, chelsea) retracted when they realised it wasn't useful, BEFORE superbia even posted.
Even if he really at that point didn't see it yet, he still had it at least until then, even though people agreed way beforehand that it's not a topic that will find us scum.
Of course the scenario exists, where he posted his last post, went off, didn't look at anything until some time after superbia posted. But this is mafia, people usually read it a lot if they're clever, be it mafai (thanks superbia) or town.

the wording most vs a lot more than others doesn't really matter to me and doesn't change my question. You are specifically scum reading sentinel because you don't agree with the Superbia case and you think he was pushing it harder than others correct?

It seems to me that you've just taken one quote out of context and are using it to form that scum read, since a lot of Sentinel's filter shows Sentinel not being a lot more serious about scum reading Superbia than others
On November 03 2014 11:20 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Makes sense. I'll put my vote on him for now

##Vote: Superbia

At least until he comes out and defends himself.
If he's lazy town (evidenced by "I'll do it tomorrow"), I don't see the rationale in saying "step right up and I'll build a case on you" in the first place.

On November 03 2014 13:06 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
But I think the wagon on Superbia isn't anything to be worried about if he is in fact town. A lot of people are simply waiting on him to show up and offer some new evidence, and if I like what I see when he wakes up, I'll drop my own vote as well.
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
November 03 2014 22:44 GMT
#367
probably donkey town. I have no idea how to read him at this point.

I would be happy lynching him right now though.
Zerg for Life
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
November 03 2014 22:46 GMT
#368
I going to be out of the house for a few hours. I will read evcery thing page 19 foward.
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
November 03 2014 22:47 GMT
#369
@chelsea & elvis He's seems the least comfortable in the thread so far. Maybe he'll settle in later but until then I agree with what elvis said and think the vote is warranted.
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
November 03 2014 22:50 GMT
#370
ebwop actually, I think this guy seems the least comfortable:

On November 03 2014 07:46 Cricketer12 wrote:
I'm so confused T_T


That's his whole filter.
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
November 03 2014 22:52 GMT
#371
Kind of like elvis as town for today.

He has produced some pretty good content today a big point in his favour is that he didn't vote on super yesterday when the wagon started, he said he wasn't sure and felt uncomfortable with it, that felt kind of towny to me.

since he has started making his reads I pretty much agree with all of them, I want him to give a read on Grak though. I think he has been active enough to be readable.

I think the way he answered breshke's questions was good.

I quite like his sentinal read. Like when I voted on super it was more because I wanted something in the thread to happen and get things going, and like 3 people just kind of said "yeh good point, ima vote" looking back alot of my argument was kind of shitty.

yeh elvis is town for the day
Zerg for Life
Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
November 03 2014 22:58 GMT
#372
##Unvote

I like parts of your recent posts but jsut remember you shouldn't be afraid to post gut feelings as town as its a good insidght to your latter thought processes. Not writing that stuff just makes me feel like you have something to hide. Like i still have a gut feeling you aren't town but two of my biggest town reads disagree so ill drop it for now
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9856 Posts
November 03 2014 22:59 GMT
#373
lol KSC looking back once more, what do you think of your FF read?
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
November 03 2014 23:04 GMT
#374
On November 04 2014 07:59 Grackaroni wrote:
lol KSC looking back once more, what do you think of your FF read?


Best read NA

Zerg for Life
Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
November 03 2014 23:06 GMT
#375
Grack is kush town? Feel free to answer this as well kelsier.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9856 Posts
November 03 2014 23:09 GMT
#376
Kush is kind of tricky. I had some reasons at the start to lean town on him but if he continues to do nothing I'll re-evaluate. He's really bad at playing scum but sometimes he just does nothing as town too.
Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
November 03 2014 23:10 GMT
#377
So do you think we shouldn't lynch him today. The fact that he came back to the thread just to pressure a lurker doesn't sit well with me.
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
November 03 2014 23:12 GMT
#378
Can I answer? Kush is null. I think this is a good thing to do though:
On November 03 2014 22:12 kushm4sta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2014 22:02 Serejai wrote:
Dear Diary,

My name is Jasmine and I am an exchange student from Germany. I am 19 years old.

Today was my first day of class at my new school! It's a small class - only about ten students - but I will try to make it my own. Upon entering the room I noticed there were only three seats left. I decided to sit in the middle seat and I hope to become friends with the two people who sit beside me!

There's not much else to write about at the moment, as I am still meeting my classmates. I hope this will be a good year!

xoxo - Jasmine



yeah.. no.
reads or you get lynched.
##vote serejai

Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9856 Posts
November 03 2014 23:14 GMT
#379
Yeah I'm good with policy lynching Kush if he doesn't do anything worthwhile today. He seemed pretty hyped to play pre-game too.
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
November 03 2014 23:15 GMT
#380
On November 04 2014 08:14 Grackaroni wrote:
Yeah I'm good with policy lynching Kush if he doesn't do anything worthwhile today. He seemed pretty hyped to play pre-game too.


If kush and Jasmine both do nothing today, which would you rather policy lynch?
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