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I don't think there's really enough posting done by kush to make a case against him, other than "his scum play is bad and he usually afks when scum". I mean, that's a good reason... I'm just saying he isn't posting enough to really have other reasons against him. I think he's scum but I would lynch him for AFKing sooner than I would lynch him for being scum, if that makes sense. It's hard to come up with multiple different cases against him.
As far as reading people who have become less active... not so much. I've been on Elvis all game, and I've been on Immaterial nearly all game. For me, nothing has really changed with either of them. However, for all of the people that thought they were town on Day 1... I'm pointing out that they should reconsider based on how their play, or lack thereof, has changed.
For kush I don't think much has changed for me; his play is consistent(ly bad). For Sentinel, he was very active early game and now he's barely around at all now that people want to vote him. Essentially those four people I listed are all acting scummier today than they were yesterday, to varying degrees. Those are the four people I think we should look at lynching today, and focus our efforts on reading and whatnot.
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And basically, with kush... what Grack said about his mafia play and being idle is a great reason to lynch him. It's just that, in my opinion, Elvis, Sentinel, and Immaterial all have equally good reasons to lynch, and more of them.
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I would be happy lynching any one of those four today, though.
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Heres another thought I have. If theres alot of towns in the 4 afks we almost certainly lose anyway there gonna vote wrong if they vote at all and we already have elvis whos going to vote very poorly imo. So I think the better rng play is to go after them and pray?
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I dont think elvis has been that inactive hes just been spouting nonsense going after likely towns.
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On November 07 2014 08:14 sicklucker wrote:
Heres another thought I have. If theres alot of towns in the 4 afks we almost certainly lose anyway there gonna vote wrong if they vote at all and we already have elvis whos going to vote very poorly imo. So I think the better rng play is to go after them and pray?
I don't know about this i know right now they are less active but there is still stuff to read them off from the early game. I understand it would be harder for you though as you replaced in after all of it.
On November 07 2014 07:52 Serejai wrote:
I don't think there's really enough posting done by kush to make a case against him, other than "his scum play is bad and he usually afks when scum". I mean, that's a good reason... I'm just saying he isn't posting enough to really have other reasons against him. I think he's scum but I would lynch him for AFKing sooner than I would lynch him for being scum, if that makes sense. It's hard to come up with multiple different cases against him.
As far as reading people who have become less active... not so much. I've been on Elvis all game, and I've been on Immaterial nearly all game. For me, nothing has really changed with either of them. However, for all of the people that thought they were town on Day 1... I'm pointing out that they should reconsider based on how their play, or lack thereof, has changed.
For kush I don't think much has changed for me; his play is consistent(ly bad). For Sentinel, he was very active early game and now he's barely around at all now that people want to vote him. Essentially those four people I listed are all acting scummier today than they were yesterday, to varying degrees. Those are the four people I think we should look at lynching today, and focus our efforts on reading and whatnot.
I don't think anyone could justify kush's play as town to me therefore I really think he should be the lynch today. I am reading you town serajai so I am going to look further into sentinel because im actually reading him town right now but don't remember why I think it was something to do with his speculation about the mafia team lineup and how this would never come from a mafias perspective.
Immaterial not coming back to the thread is worrying but it could also be newbie town seeing that he is in the shiter and not knowing how to get out of it.
Elvis iv'e already talked about and agree should be on the lynch list.
Kush really should be the lynch today, he has done nothing for town other than ping you out early for your fluff post which you specifically said was something that mafia more likely do. This is who I want to lynch today but i'm going to try look into more people as i'm focusing way too much on kush. That being said i still think you should be changing your vote to kush.
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I think kush should be stepping it up today. He should try to lead the lynch. He is after all the only decent player in this game.
Immaterial's vote at the end of D1 was really suspicious but I'm pretty sure he's already crossed into modkill territory so he's probably not the best person to be focusing on.
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If it was not for groks strong read on kush who was my top town I think I would scum read you for tunneling hard on him here. I wasint in the game so dont feel completely confident saying this but kush was the one calling you out for bad logic on voting out the cop.
On November 05 2014 07:12 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2014 07:05 kushm4sta wrote:On November 05 2014 07:00 Breshke wrote:
How will ls ever prove himself this is the problem he will forever be a question mark it will forever be a massive question mark and willr esult in people having to claim there role early so im happy with voting him now. The claim was bad and i disagree that his play has been towny saying stuff is weird without any other reasoning isn't good enough. i dont get your reasoning here. he can be proved by a flip or a claim. Very possibly that would have happened before lylo but if it didn't so what. We would still have confirmed scum/town at lylo. Why would mafia ever kill him they would just roleblock him and leave him alive. People would always be unsure on him there would always be the world where there is a watcher and a medic or where there was another cop not wanting to claim yet. Going forward I didn't think he would be necessary as he is useless until we killed the roleblocker and i was confident in that happening. It was wrong though i should have changed my vote i was bullheaded though and was sure he was just trying to save himself as mafia. Also are you going to actually start helping town now or what?
After the vote you later admitted your vote was horrible
On November 05 2014 08:45 Breshke wrote:
Holy shit i thought it was a tracker role not watcher. My vote was terrible holy shit.
I dont think this means alot but I dont like your answer trying to deflect it on me.
Since were talking about people being afk how has bats not been mention when someone who posted alot like elvis was?
Hes literraly tunneled on KelsierSC voted him and afked. I get that he thinks hes scumy but he has not even contributed anything out of that I think we should consider him.
BAT I WANT YOUR TOWN/SCUM READS
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Damn I got ninjaed hard even though half of his post is a troll!
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Uhm Serejai I have made 17 posts since the lynch. Will try to post scum analysis soon. That might take some time since I wanna reconsider about everyone.
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Actually it was like 30+ posts.
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Lol Kush is your biggest townread? How? That isn't even possible. Once again you say he pointed out my vote on the copw as abd but what did he do to stop it before the lynch. His vote also caused the cop to be lynched and could have been easily changed to save the cop so sick lucker explain to me how you were even remotely reading kush town. Also grack never said he had a strong read on kush he was just pointing out kush's meta but meta shouldn't be a foundation for a read as it can be changed.
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On November 04 2014 08:09 Grackaroni wrote:
Kush is kind of tricky. I had some reasons at the start to lean town on him but if he continues to do nothing I'll re-evaluate. He's really bad at playing scum but sometimes he just does nothing as town too.
I thought this was interesting "sometimes he does nothing as town too"
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I can't tell the difference between who's scummy and who's just bad. I'm still a little taken aback that I'm the only person that wants to vote KSC but I'm done trying to explain that.
Kush should really be stepping it up today. I think he's capable of being a much more valuable asset to town than he's being right now, so tentative scum read on him for not being here when we need him.
Jasmine/sicklucker are engaging the thread a lot. Even though I hate pretty much everything they say it's obvious they're making an effort which as is, is better than others.
In the last game I played with Elvis I think he posted once and then got modkilled for inactivity. This game he's writing a LOT and his posts are similar to the game FF posted where he was town. Would not vote today. I get why people are scum reading him, he's said stuff that is fundamentally wrong, but, he's pretty explicit about why he believes what he believes (even though it's sometimes wrong).
Immaterial looks bad for the last second lightning vote with zero explanation.
I can't remember any posts from sentinel and I'm too lazy to go looking for something. I wrote him off as null in my D1 notes.
I still think Breshke is town.
KSC should obviously be the one we lynch today but I would rather get lynched and be out of this game than try to explain it one more time.
I don't know about FF. I hate that he pretended to understand why we should be voting KSC, spent tons of time trying to explain it to people, and then unvoted him.
Superbia is probably town. Really helps that he didn't vote help kill lightning and understands that we can't leave KSC alive.
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On November 07 2014 09:05 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2014 08:09 Grackaroni wrote:
Kush is kind of tricky. I had some reasons at the start to lean town on him but if he continues to do nothing I'll re-evaluate. He's really bad at playing scum but sometimes he just does nothing as town too. I thought this was interesting "sometimes he does nothing as town too"
Why are you pointing this out?
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On November 07 2014 09:11 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2014 09:05 sicklucker wrote:On November 04 2014 08:09 Grackaroni wrote:
Kush is kind of tricky. I had some reasons at the start to lean town on him but if he continues to do nothing I'll re-evaluate. He's really bad at playing scum but sometimes he just does nothing as town too. I thought this was interesting "sometimes he does nothing as town too" Why are you pointing this out?
I think it's relevant considering kush is doing nothing.
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On November 05 2014 05:45 Immaterial wrote:
##vote LightningStrikes
Insanely busy at work, I have to vote without catching up on the thread at all. I promise to justify the vote tonight, but I'll be here ntil late
Just want to point this out for you bats but i think his vote was like 75 minutes before deadline and this was still when KSC was a cc. It also feels that he is saying he isn't going to be around until later.
I am also coming around to KSC being scum because he hasn't done anything today. even though there is more people to blame today than just him he was a big part in lynching the cop yesterday so you'd think as a town he would be hunting scum today to try make up for it but so far most of what he has done is just respond to my questions.
I still think Kush is a priority for today though.
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On November 07 2014 09:11 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2014 09:05 sicklucker wrote:On November 04 2014 08:09 Grackaroni wrote:
Kush is kind of tricky. I had some reasons at the start to lean town on him but if he continues to do nothing I'll re-evaluate. He's really bad at playing scum but sometimes he just does nothing as town too. I thought this was interesting "sometimes he does nothing as town too" Why are you pointing this out?
because you used another quote to put scum on me and this says the opposite could be true.
Dont get me wrong kush is on my extended lynch list above you. He has contributed nothing. I just dont think hes leaned one way or another hes null for me after just going through gracks filter who seems to be the only one who had much of a read on him.
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On November 07 2014 09:13 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2014 09:11 Breshke wrote:On November 07 2014 09:05 sicklucker wrote:On November 04 2014 08:09 Grackaroni wrote:
Kush is kind of tricky. I had some reasons at the start to lean town on him but if he continues to do nothing I'll re-evaluate. He's really bad at playing scum but sometimes he just does nothing as town too. I thought this was interesting "sometimes he does nothing as town too" Why are you pointing this out? I think it's relevant considering kush is doing nothing.
I don't see what conclusions you can make from it though. Should we not lynch him because he is maybe town doing nothing? I'm not going to leave kush around if he is doing nothing as town, he either starts being town and helping town actually play the game or he gets lynched.
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On November 07 2014 09:20 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2014 09:11 Breshke wrote:On November 07 2014 09:05 sicklucker wrote:On November 04 2014 08:09 Grackaroni wrote:
Kush is kind of tricky. I had some reasons at the start to lean town on him but if he continues to do nothing I'll re-evaluate. He's really bad at playing scum but sometimes he just does nothing as town too. I thought this was interesting "sometimes he does nothing as town too" Why are you pointing this out? because you used another quote to put scum on me and this says the opposite could be true. Dont get me wrong kush is on my extended lynch list above you. He has contributed nothing. I just dont think hes leaned one way or another hes null for me after just going through gracks filter who seems to be the only one who had much of a read on him.
Is doing nothing, not giving reads not trying to find mafia more of a town trait or mafia trait?
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