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On November 07 2014 09:19 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2014 05:45 Immaterial wrote:
##vote LightningStrikes
Insanely busy at work, I have to vote without catching up on the thread at all. I promise to justify the vote tonight, but I'll be here ntil late Just want to point this out for you bats but i think his vote was like 75 minutes before deadline and this was still when KSC was a cc. It also feels that he is saying he isn't going to be around until later. I am also coming around to KSC being scum because he hasn't done anything today. even though there is more people to blame today than just him he was a big part in lynching the cop yesterday so you'd think as a town he would be hunting scum today to try make up for it but so far most of what he has done is just respond to my questions. I still think Kush is a priority for today though.
I would be less suspicious of Immaterial if he had just voted and not said a word about justifying it or "be[ing] here ntil late[sic]"
Like, lightning is the obvious vote if he's about to get lynched, claims cop, and then someone CCs. IMO no explanation is needed.
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I know I said in one of my last posts "lightning looks bad for last second vote for no explanation" but I changed my mind.
What I meant to say is Lightning looks bad for the last second vote and promises for an explanation but no delivery.
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I agree with you bats it looks bad but you have to look at it from a newbie players point of view.
People were being scum read because they were just flowing wagons without reasoning (superbia wagon earlier in the day). So he probably didn't want to be scumread by just voting and being like yeah this is a good idea.
Not saying he is town because this can easily be from a mafias point of view.
Bats if you couldn't lynch KSC today who would you be lynching?
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I like bats reads alot. I feel like the vote should be between ksc + 1 we could get alot of information out of that as well if we lose ksc its not the end of the world but I dont think id vote for him. We should decide on who that other one is soon.
We need people to not make stupid side votes like elvis is doing right now that have no chance of going through. Its too easy of a way for mafia to keep there hands clean. We should agree that if someone votes outside of are two candidates we should lynch them so we get enough information as possible. This next vote is important
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I'm not sure yet. If the day was ending in 30 minutes and KSC wasn't an option maybe kush or FF. I'd probably also take a closer look at sentinel since I don't remember any of his posts.
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It doesint even have to be ksc but if there is traction outside of bat then hes fine. The point is two candidates not 3 or 4 like last time that didnt work out so much
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@sicklucker If you could pick the two wagons who would it be?
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Wednesday and Thursday are my heavy class days. I'm in my last class rn
##Vote: [UoN]Sentinel
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Pretty sure the rules state you cannot vote for yourself.
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I dont think I should pick being interjected into this game late. If you put me on the spot Ksc because hes representing one pov vs sent or imma. Maybe even elvis or kush so Its not a huge landslide and gets more interesting info.
But I feel like im just finding maybe mafias Im having a real hard time finding anyone I see who are very likely mafia which might just mean its the obvious people.
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Freitag, 7. November 2014
01:10
Sicklucker:
Thinks very highly of himself since he posts multiple times that he is the one that should be NK.
Posts he wouldn't lynch Kelsier even if he knew 100% he was scum.
Defends Kelsiers CC and late pullback.
He gives really wishy-washy reasons to why he thinks Kelsier is town.
Kelsier and Sicklucker mafia together?
He pushes on Sentinel for (his own reasoning) posting a lot earlier and not anymore.
That's not a mafia indicator, that's just him not posting, like kush and immaterial and a lot others.
He also defends kush later for not posting, which makes no sense since for him it's a scumtell.
He says him and Sentinel are not aligned because Sentinel could just have relied on him getting modkilled.
That's nothing you can rely on.
He supports his vote on Sentinel because Sentinel and him are on his weak theory " like 0% aligned".
He even mentions that Sentinel might be going under the radar because he's a role.
So he wants to lynch a possible role?
He wants to rather vote on inactives than people he thinks are mafia, because he thinks there's a "higher rng" to kill them then to kill people he thinks are mafia.
Why not make a proper case on somebody and convince people of his vote?
If he just goes after the inactive we can only lose since there's a lot of them. We don't have many jokers left since we lost 2 town already.
So it's very important to get scum and not just get to lynch basically anyone.
He wants to lynch the people where he can get a push through, not mafia.
He reads Breshke(?) scum because of tunneling someone who the person thinks is scum.
If as town you are convinced of your vote, sticking with it and wanting to convince people of it isn't wrong.
This is how you pressure scum and maybe get a scum lynch. How else is it supposed to be?
He has a good find on Grack--> kush at the end where grack says sometimes kush doesn't do much as town, too.
I generally don't like him and Serejai being so focused on single things of people.
They keep posting about things that have already been explained and are of no use to elaborate further upon, e.g. : Batsnacks and the phone-posting-revoting-dilemma.
Me voting on the guy I find scummy: Serejai.
Serejai says I'm still tunneling when he proudly keeps saying every couple of posts how good he is for still having the same scum targets as he had from the beginning. Why am I scummy/wrong for this?
Serejai also never answers my posts about him seriously. When I point out his lies/misconceptions he just ignores it and so do a lot of people.
Then I get discredited for things I didn't say, blamed for having the same opinion about you, sicklucker, as a person you think is scummy (which totally makes me scum - not) and you just disregard everything I post because you disagree with it. Then Serejai calls me scummy for not posting things of worth. Well I guess if you disregard everything I post about you, the lynch, the cop-cc-dilemma, Kelsier, Immaterial, sicklucker and you, well there's not much left.
Then if you look, there is 4 people who are riding a similair wagon at the moment - KSC, Breshke, sicklucker and Serejai- I think either KSC or Breshke (more likely Breshke) is the deceived and the other 3 are scum, since these 4 people are constantly posting how right each other is, pushing the same targets, defending the same people (as example KSC and Kush being defended for no reason).
They want town to think that these are not only the popular but the right opinions - which lots of them have been unproven, false, not logical and weird.
Kush isn't looking townie, Kelsiers late un-cc is in no way reasonable or good for town, it's not logical just lynching people because of RNG on AFKers and it isn't warrantable to just hide lies people posted by overposting on different stuff.
Look at them only pointing out very few mistakes of each other, only pushing very slighty and really making pushes on other persons 24/7. Also mostly the same persons. They just jump on anything these persons post and somehow try reading something scummy into it.
A point I would like to raise is that they kept talking about some problems for ages even though they were answered and blame people adressing something else for more than a couple of posts. This is applying double standards in no reasonable way at all. Of course some points apply more to certain persons than to others.
As a prime example of this I see Breshke posting he agrees 100% with sicklucker about a post that mostly (as sicklucker later admitted) consisted of misconseptions and wrong facts. This is blind obedience in my eyes. He didn't even really read what sicklucker was writing and sicklucker wasn't really researching what he was posting about.
Mafia chat (possibly): "Hey, I'll make a post about why elvis and breshke are scum with something I can find that lines them up so that town follows me and we can maybe mislynch one of them. Just agree to it and make me look townie."
Breshke - someone I had a townie view on before, now he leans scum - as example posted that bats and I "could have saved the cop but didn't" and then defends that Immaterial didn't change his vote, because that's difficult in the heat of the moment.
Oh town really wasn't in the heat of the moment WITH A BIT MORE THAN 2 MINUTES LEFT IF YOU REFRESHED THE PAGE AT THE RIGHT TIME. That just doesn't make sense and is again applying double standards to people scum wants to mislynch and people they don't care about.
Then Breshke defends KSC by saying "the same play I was gonna make". Except you didn't. Defending him like you did is just very weird because there is no other reason to defend him than him being your scumbuddy. There is nothing excusable about only pulling the cc back so late.
Also this group uses Grack's posts sometimes similair as the Jehova's witnesses use the bible. "It is written here so it must be right". Not talking about religion here, but Grack sureley could have made misreads or mistakes. They just weren't scum-manipulated.
Then Breshke's post that could really be both - he points out that people have been talking too much about the vote and not the surroundings - which is a good thing - if he wasn't talking all about the vote himself before that, mainly posting "everyone who didn't vote to save the cop are to blame" and sheeping KSC.
Then mafia agreed to blame kush a bit, since he is an easy target once again, yes he hasn't posted in a long while, but that could be:
A townie being afk because of real life issues.
A scum being afk for the same reasons.
A role not posting much to not get nightkilled.
A scum not posting much, because scum hides.
At that last point - wouldn't the other scum tell him to post so he doesn't look like that? I don't think it's a scumtell if someone doesn't post at all, scum knows what they wanna look like.
This just turns it into WIFOM, which isn't a good reason to lynch someone, since he hasn't been posting scummy (since he hasn't been posting).
Then Breshke keeps focusing on how KSC fake-ccing as scum would be terrible because they could just take care of the guy in night.
Well or he's scum and has his scumbuddy's sheeping him the day after so they can get the town kill and someone else without any blame to put on anyone since the guy to blame is being sheeped by so many persons.
If he didn't do it, who would be to blame/to mislynch on Day2? There would have been like 7 votes on LS, people would just agree that LS was donkey cop and noone would be to blame.
Here they have the prime mislynch targets presented on the table. Easily to blame since they didn't pull back, no scum to identify since KSC "did pull back" and gets sheeped.
Then Breshke all of a sudden blames sicklucker for something. What?! Oh wait it's just a number being 2 instead of 3 and this is a good opportunity to have people not think you're aligned with each other since you're not really blaming him and rather correcting him.
Then Breshke says sicklucker shouldn't read kush town, for what reasons? Oh right he barely posts any. He only again mentions that kush doesn't do townie things, so for you he's scum. So if according to your arguments he's null (and you even mention why to you he could be town) and according to sicklucker he maybe is town, there's this much of a difference and that worries you that much?
This again is either deceived/confused Breshke or manipulated-in-mafia-chat-Breshke.
He also again applies double standards, I'm getting sick of this, Superbia is not to blame because his vote was seconds from counting.
Oh bats was also for the same reason. You never mention that. Tunnel view/mislynch target much?
Then Breshke repeats how Kush has done nothing for town and thus is scum. There still are the same amount of reasons for this as for others. Lynching someone who's null isn't a good thing, especially if we already lost 2 town.
I know I'm applying double standards for the bats-me situation and the 4-people-3-scum situation as well, the reason being that I think they are connected in a much more scummy way (see above) and much less individual.
I really don't know for sure about Breshke at this point since I tried reading his post town-aligned and mafia-aligned and kinda both make sense.
Oh god I just looked at the current thread again and sicklucker - 21 before gametime already wants people to focus on one of 2 wagons?
This is the time where we wanna think about everyone as possible scum or town. This is the time where we pressure people we think are scum for information.
This is not the time where we vote on final stuff.
This is really really weird.
Like he posts that some vote has no chance of getting through even though we're still 21 hours off the time where it matters, or at least 20 until it's worth discussing.
I realise that at the time of posting this one hour has passed. And ist 19/20. Still a terrible idea of him to do and reinforces my scumread on him.
At the moment I read him scummier than Serejai and I will
##Unvote
##Vote sicklucker
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On November 07 2014 10:46 Serejai wrote:
Pretty sure the rules state you cannot vote for yourself.
im 100% sure because I read them for the first time 2 days ago
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Sorry for the"Freitag - ... "
I wrote it down in Onenote on my laptop and copy-pasted it.
Also yes this is a long post, please take your time everyone and try reading it and understanding my point of view.
As I said this is still early into the day and we have time to discuss.
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On November 07 2014 10:46 Serejai wrote:
Pretty sure the rules state you cannot vote for yourself.
Fuck you BH it's a legitimate mechanic
##Unvote
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Lol I knew elvis was gonna scum read me hard. He soft scumed me earlier and I think he was the only one to do so the entire game so far and he seems to just go after whoever targets him.
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Elvis you should turn off word wrap in notepad before you copy it over >.>
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My read on elvis is hes null leaning scum more likely a bad town who just targets players who disagree with him. His first sentence seems like its a bit of a personal attack.
"Thinks very highly of himself since he posts multiple times that he is the one that should be NK."
Ya i thought I was gonna get nk because I got town reads from everyone but you who gave their read.
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And the reason I kept sayin it was at the time I thought I would be a great medic save. Now not so much but I started strong!
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On November 07 2014 10:59 sicklucker wrote:
And the reason I kept sayin it was at the time I thought I would be a great medic save. Now not so much but I started strong!
So, there's a medic, is there?
##unvote
##vote: sicklucker
Elvis is literally confirmed town. Fight me.
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##unvote
##vote sickcricket
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