What you need is other people to look into the argument between you three and tell you what they think of it. I don't think the town managed to do that well and (assuming i am correct and you are all town) mafia obviously didn't give a shit because it reduces the good town atmosphere when townies are fighting against each other even if it doesn't translate into one of you getting lynched.
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What you need is other people to look into the argument between you three and tell you what they think of it. I don't think the town managed to do that well and (assuming i am correct and you are all town) mafia obviously didn't give a shit because it reduces the good town atmosphere when townies are fighting against each other even if it doesn't translate into one of you getting lynched. | ||
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On November 09 2014 06:22 Superbia wrote: 1. I don't personally know kush's meta. I've half played with the guy once, but don't remember any interactions (I replaced in during d2 as scum, and conceded the same day. He was town). His behaviour reminded me of experienced players who just lost interest in the game, and I've never seen one flip scum. 2. Sentinel: I had a (cute/dumb) little play during d1 which pinged out Sentinel for me. After I pressured him his response seemed pretty terrible to me. Looked like he was trying to insert himself into a group. Doesn't help that he wrote a bit regarding someone (I believe FF) from a perspective in which they were confirmed town (i.e. probably a scumslip, town is never confident enough to assume other people are town d1), even though he had no real read on them. He had his vote on the cop at EoD1, and I don't think he ever gave a proper explanation (doesn't really matter either, because you can claim afk or whatever). Has done absolutely nothing during d2. FecalFeast: The FF I know is fine with pushing on almost everyone and I expect town-FF to be interacting with me throughout the game. This game FF has avoided me (though tbh I haven't been nearly as active as I've wanted to be), which is exactly what I expect his scum game to be (the game I was town and he was scum he was pretty afraid of me in scum QT). His d1 reads are forgetful. I remember his vote ended up on the cop, and he had some out of game reason to be afk during the very EoD (he did almost the exact same thing during the game I mentioned before, pretty sure I've never seen him afk during EoD when he's town, but admittedly, this is not strongly alignment indicative). His d2 play was basically tunneling on Kush without a good reason (imo), and I stand by my point that Kush was not really a good target. The fact that his vote didn't even end on Kush and he didn't even really help in the lynch doesn't help him at all. Obi/Kelsier: Killed the cop. Honestly, the whole "he wouldn't trade his life for the cop if he was scum" is fucking WIFOM, because we're apparently not killing him because of that fact? That's just catch-22 bullshit. I stand by my logic that Obi/Kelsier needs to be lynched during this game, unless it's over after the FF lynch (which it may very well be). Well first of all one of your scumreads is town so why are you not trying to figure out which one? It's not like just "lynch these people and win" because you know, you can be wrong and if you are you are throwing the game with this attitude. Second, i think your read on kush is/was terrible and i do not know how you can in any way justify what you said about him. Especially when in the same game you replaced in i was mafia and didn't give a shit about the game due to time reasons (which i never said were the reasons). I basically did the exact same thing kush did in this game as mafia and you claim you "have never seen it before"... Again, you didn't explain what's the difference in kush's play that was more likely to come from lazy town than from mafia? That should be something any reasonable townie re-evaluates ESPECIALLY after the dude who calls kush scum because he cannot make himself play the game as mafia (Grack) dies on Night one. I find it almost ridiculous you didn't reconsider your read AT ALL after this all. Third, you seem to be suspecting people mainly for "killing the cop'". Well guess what, there were four votes on the cop at the end of D1 so it's physically impossible that voting for the cop would make one automatically mafia (because there is at least one townie who was voting for the cop -- in fact two because kush didn't vote for LS). So it cannot possibly be a reason someone is scum. You don't elaborate on WHY someone voting for the cop makes the mafia, you just lay out "this thing he did is scummy" without telling why. That's not a townie thing to do. People do stupid things all the time but stupid != scummy. Fourth, i find it quite amusing you find someone mafia for tunneling kush.. YOU FIND SOMEONE MAFIA FOR BEING RIGHT!?!?!?!? How stupid is that? In addition you only bring up this, not the fact that the dude who tunneled kush DIDN'T EVEN VOTE FOR HIM IN THE END OF THE DAY! (which in fact IS scummy). | ||
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On November 09 2014 06:41 Breshke wrote: I woke up late but theres a weird interaction between ff and sentinel if they are a scum team ill find it and show you rayn. I find it really hard to put sentinel into a team because the only person i can see him lining up with is immaterial but since rayn replaced him it doesn't seems like less of a world. I still think sentinel is scum though. Sentinel talks about his scumbuddies and is generally more inactive as scum than as town. I played as scum with him a year or so ago in a game where kush was also mafia and he just bussed one other dude and half of my time in the game went into yelling him and kush to post more. | ||
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On November 09 2014 06:34 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Alright. I'm hung over and still pretty mad about yesterday's power outages. rayn and I are in the same dynamic as Resistance. I think I can go 2 for 2 and call him scum now. Like these kind of posts are so garbage they cannot come from a townie. | ||
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On November 09 2014 06:51 Breshke wrote: Okay the interaction wasn't as big a deal as i thought it was Fecal makes this case Kush wants to vote on sentinel at EoD1 He gets linked ff's case and after just 3 minutes (which he got inged out for because there was no way he read it all.) So kush and ff would have basically been trying to bury their partner at EoD1 and gotten him lynched. I feel like im making too many associative reads though. kush cannot call people who are town mafia. ![]() | ||
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Then try to evaluate FF and Superbia. There is not enough time because those people are not posting much. I'm gonna read Elvis! if i am alive tomorrow. | ||
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On November 09 2014 18:07 sicklucker wrote: Everyone has said the last two scum are probably ff and sent. So to me it didnt matter the order. Ive said many many times I think its better to vote out ff just for the fact the unknowns in this game all want sent gone and not ff . I also think if theres two potential people to vote on we GAIN INFORMATION from who votes where. Ive said this so many times. This is not really how you can do it. We have about 7 or so people who think Sentinel is mafia. Are you going to push half of them to vote for FF? Then what? IF Sentinel flips mafia are you gonna call them scum for not voting for Sentinel? Or how do you gain information? Could you explain that properly. | ||
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On November 09 2014 18:12 sicklucker wrote: If theres a close vote and say sent wins 5-4 and we learn sent is mafia. Then we can see who didnt vote for sent and get information. This is such a stupid question rayn your smarter then this. And this is just what i said in my post... | ||
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On November 09 2014 18:19 sicklucker wrote: breske All I really did was throw out ideas of strategies and was immediately put on the defensive of course im annoyed. You started integrating me when I just wanted your opinion on the matter The problem is that's not how it works. Let's say you convince me that your strategy is good and i vote for FF over Sentinel. Then Sentinel flips mafia. What next? Are you going to call me mafia for me believing you in your townie strategy? Isn't that ridiculous? | ||
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On November 09 2014 18:48 Breshke wrote: This isn't like they can not be a team 100 percent i just think it isn't likely because obviously mafia can buss. I shouldn't be confirmed town to you, you can think im really town but dont just blindly sheep my reads. I don't think this means anything because Sentinel was never in any danger of being lynched on D1. kush and FF didn't even push the lynch. | ||
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Or does, for a full 5 minutes and the vote is even formatted wrong. | ||
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Fecalfeast has "wanted to lynch Sentinel all game". Look at his filter page 7 onwards. That's what i talked about already. Does it look like Sentinel is his top scumread as he claims and why are sicklucker and Kelsier not anymore? What did those guys do to make Sentinel more scummy than them (because there is nothing in his posting that implicates so -- yet on D2 he wanted to lynch BOTH of them over Sentinel -- there was plenty of time to push a lynch on Sentinel if FF thought he was the best lynch). Now he wants to lynch Sentinel and votes for him. Well if he is mafia what choice does he have? I subbed into the game and one of my first posts was "sentinel is mafia". sicklucker instantly agreed with me. Breskhe too. Those people post, they have been mostly driving the discussion the whole game (besides Elvis to some extent but people already see him as saying bad stuff). So really, what choice does Fecalfeast have if he is mafia other than to call Sentinel scum? | ||
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Sentinel is scummy and everyone knows why he is scummy. There is nothing anyone can say about it except for Sentinel himself and all he decided to do is to call me scum for some reason from another game (lol). Mafia would bus Sentinel at this point guaranteed. Because if we are right mafia KNOWS there is pretty much nothing they can do about it. So that's why i want people's opinions on who ELSE is mafia. I don't know why Fecalfeast thinks sicklucker is scum. "Does not make sense" doesn't really work because townies do stuff that does not make sense aswell. While i heavily disagree with some thoughts SL has thrown out (especially the vote split thingy for today) i don't think it makes him mafia. Because to me it seems like it makes sense to him and he genuinely thinks that's the correct play. | ||
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Here's what you say on N1 start: On November 05 2014 12:36 Elvis! wrote: [/red]I see that a post before even EoD1 happened isn't the strongest, I still was convinced. What I think of him now, see at the bottom of this post. I don't like how you discredit my whole post to "one post at the beginning" . The post mostly wasn't even about something at the beginning, but about his reaction and lies. My vote was on serejai since he was the guy I thought to be scum, which I thought was pretty obvious. Also people were switching left right and center and not much before EoD people were all up for lynching him. Didn't see a reason to vote for the others instead, since at that point I thought ok one guy is fakeclaiming and another guy is suddenly being pushed based on a not well funded push that I don't support that much. Why would I change in that case? It didn't need many to change to what I thought was a better case. Why am I asking why he's defending? Since this guy flipped town now everyone is sheeping everything he has ever done. I don't get this at all. About LS: Please, someone be reasonable and actually post stuff he made that wasn't null or scum. Please, someone be reasonable and actually post more information on why he couldn't have just fakeclaimed. At this point the only reason I see is that he might come in a weird situation in lylo if all our powerroles play well and a lot of stuff happens that isn't forced to happen. Imagine this: He would have been scum, faceclaimed, we would have lynched someone else, everyone would have sheeped him like they did and how they are now (why wouldn't they), scum would, since town is reacting in this way, basically have a confirmed townie among their lines. Even if people wouldn't have sheeped him as much as they are now this would be a desaster for town and really good for scum. Why are scenarios like this less possible than the other ones. I'm not convinced at all about all the things people are saying about LS. People kept pointing out all his mistakes and scummy posts before and now he's suddenly considered a god amongst people. I only see a lot of people that could be scum earn town cred right nowfor sheeping him and talking about how he was town, why we shouldn't have voted for him and so on. No risk, easy town points for our opponents. I don't have a good feeling about this. On immaterial: Breshke, I posted my opinion about him not much before the lynch. Also: At the moment most my reads are thrown around by the shitpile of 20 pages of EoD posts which are chaotic as fuck since people just posted impulsive and wanting to convince people, posted stuff about if detective is cop and so on. There is a lot to read and a lot fewer that has reasonable content. I'll try to go through this tomorrow and find what I think of it. Then Chelseas actual CC: I agree it's a measure that can be done and it's ok and everything but there is no reason to pull back so late. Also you can't really fault batsnacks for not switching in these 3 minutes, since he was playing on a phone. I have played mafia on a phone before and it's a desaster, stuff takes ages to load and post and go through pages (which were plenty). Keeping up with the time and what everyone is posting is really fuckin shit on such a device. You did say it wasn't optimal tho so I guess it's fine. Saying you're doing it beause of shenanigans makes it kinda weird and I don't know why someone would be serious about CCing and then say it's shenanigans and confuse people in such a time but I guess that's Chelsea?[green] Will look into him at some point, atm he's null for me. As example the CC would also have been a really good scum strat, since it puts attention back to the first person claiming and would have made lynching him easier. Pulling back a CC only 3 minutes before the countdown seems quite the perfect time to go and say it's not real, since if he would have pulled through and the guy flips cop this looks really scummy. Well played, Chelsea scum or weirdly played out, weird town Chelsea? I don't know at this point. Here's one of your D2 posts: On November 08 2014 05:07 Elvis! wrote: I really think KSC is a decent lynch but he hasn't even posted since forever and hasn't been scummy outside his outragously scummy EoD action From what i gather your D2 posts you had sicklucker and Kelsier as scum. You didn't want to vote for Kelsier because he was going to get modkilled in your mind. Now what exactly made you change your mind from N1? You made a big fucking post on KSC which ended up you analyzing him as "i don't know if he is town or mafia", yet on D2 you say "this is the ONLY thing he has done that's scummy and i think it makes him mafia". So again, how did the null-tell become a massive scumtell? | ||
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Will look into him at some point, atm he's null for me. | ||
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On November 09 2014 20:53 Serejai wrote: Oh hey, someone is finally looking at Elvis. Maybe you should just post your totes 100% case on someone noone knows about so we can correctly lynch mafia right? | ||
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How about the people who haven't given any shits about this game? | ||
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