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On October 14 2014 14:36 ketchup wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2014 14:19 Requizen wrote:On October 14 2014 14:02 ketchup wrote:On October 14 2014 13:25 Requizen wrote:On October 14 2014 13:25 Requizen wrote:
"Happy to ride bandwagons"? "Have yet to vote on anyone I think is scum"? Both my D1 votes were on LordT and Wave, both of whom I was vocal about being scum and neither of whom were bandwagon votes.
I voted 6ah now because my top scum vote died and was VT. I don't have confidence right now and am more interested in seeing Coma participate than I am trusting my own feelings atm. This was at Ketchup, btw You don't actually go after people you think are scum. What happened to Alaric? Is he still scum for you? HOW is he scum for you? HOW is asmo leaning town to you. He is lurking harder than Ghandi was day 1. He made ONE post during the night stage, and at least ghandi had an excuse(school). So, I see a lot of odd inconsistency with your play. Wave thinks you aren't scummy, but Tolk felt these odd inconsistency with your demeanor as well. What happened to noob Req who doesn't know anything about the game? What was your reason for playing Day 1 that way? You sure were really confident in the night stage, and now you are back to not knowing anything at all? You are somehow going to vote comadose who already had 2 votes on him? Please. Try harder. Try to push people you actually think are scum. Give me good reasons please. Literally what are you talking about. I spent most of D1 talking about how Wave and LordT were my top picks. I may have said some others were wishy washy. Go into my filter, either you are misremembering or fearmongering. I spent the first part of D1 half paying attention and shitposting, and after people yelled at me for it I changed my attitude. My only big posts were after my 2 big picks. I voted for both of them. I never started a witch hunt on either Alaric, in fact I didn't say anything about him until N1. I had no reason to vote him. And even that Night post was unsure.I jumped on the Coma train because my confidence is shattered after my #1 turned up VT. I don't know how I can get this across to you any clearer. If I need to explain it again, you are clearly scum. I could understand why you would want to start pressure against me, but I don't know any reason why you would do it in such an incorrect, hamfisted manner unless you are scum that is trying to start yet another mislynch. If anyone needs to try harder, it's you. I never said you started a witch hunt on Alaric. BUT your post containing him did call him scummy. What makes him scummy? What did you see that was scummy? I'm telling you that despite your insistence that you are town, you haven't done anything. I wouldn't even mind if you talked about Alaric for 40 pages or analyzed every single one of his line of posts, because at least you'd be doing something. I felt this comadose train was really uninspired, and I called you out on it. lol okay dude. I need to try harder. Please. Show nested quote +On October 14 2014 14:29 Requizen wrote:
fyi ketchup, you made the scum list. Congrats.
Coma still retains the vote until I'm sure who else I want to vote for. I could unvote, but I do wish to see how he will respond to the votes on him at the moment. I don't have any current intention to leave it up if I like his response. That said, it better be good, Coma. lmao feel free to do that dude. I think you are so off base with a lot of your information that it makes no sense for you stick to them like you are doing. Now actually, go do something with your supposed scum list. Coma has also responded in the earlier pages if you hadn't noticed.
This is my one and only single post about Alaric
On October 14 2014 02:20 Requizen wrote:
Filter check: Alaric
Feeling: Unknown/possible scum
Posting Habits: Observation
A good portion of Frenchie's posting is trying to encourage discussion, a lot of asking "name - what do you think of so-and-so?" This is not a bad thing, as encouraging discussion is good for the Town. However, there were relatively few posts with his own opinions. Perhaps he was just waiting for someone to ask him for them as he asks others, but it is worth noting.
I give possible scum, since pointedly asking people to post/critique one another is a very simple and easy way to stir up trouble. Not a particularly clever way to cause town disruption, but one that is effective if left unchecked. Low scum reading, but not 0 at the moment.
You can read it multiple times. This is all I've said about him. Why are you pushing me to dig into him more when I've already given my opinion on him and it hasn't changed? Why are you so hung up on it? I have said my piece, there is literally 0 reason for you to pressure me into attacking him when I said (as you can clearly read not two inches above this sentence) that I give him a low rating. Please tell me why this small post makes you so hung up on it when I have half a dozen of posts that are more or less identical about other people.
I have tried to do things for the town. I share information, I respond to posts, I encourage discussion. If the only way to prove myself town is to magically pull all scum names from my hat with an essay detailing each in the next 5 minutes, I will continue to disappoint you. I don't know what more you want from me.
##unvote
##vote ketchup
Maybe with this newly written information you will enjoy this vote better than the Coma bandwagon. Enjoy your night.
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@ketchup
I have no more information. That was my summation of his posts before that point. He only posted a little bit afterwards, none of which changed my mind. He talked about the Wave/Soniv/LordT dynamic but it didn't make me think him more town or scum in any direction. So you can reread the same post, or I can type it out in different words again.
mordek is likely asleep as it is 1 here.
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I have no opinions on Soniv.
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Then you're going to be terribly disappointed.
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On October 15 2014 00:28 jcarlsoniv wrote:Well that's really not that acceptable. There have been some good arguments in favor of my lynch, surely you can come up with something. Please take the time to formulate a read of some sort.
Why? My vote is not against you for the time being. I have no opinion or solid feeling about you. That's my read.
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People can push on him all they want. I'm neutral because none of his posts make me think he's scum, but none of his posts jump out to me as someone who's helping town win.
I can be neutral or leaning on anyone I want. You don't have to agree with it.
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On October 15 2014 01:06 onlywonderboy wrote:
So if he was lynched right now you would be completely indifferent?
Sure. My personal opinion is that there are other people who are more likely to be Mafia, but I've been wrong before.
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On October 15 2014 01:17 onlywonderboy wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2014 01:08 Requizen wrote:On October 15 2014 01:06 onlywonderboy wrote:
So if he was lynched right now you would be completely indifferent? Sure. My personal opinion is that there are other people who are more likely to be Mafia, but I've been wrong before. Who specifically? Looks like your main pushes recently have been on Coma and ketchup. Has Coma's return to the thread made him less of a priority in your eyes? Also your push on ketchup seems weird. It honestly looks like you're just rage voting him because he's putting pressure on you. That's not good town play. We don't know who is mafia and who is town so just because someone is pushing you doesn't mean they are mafia. It can be frustrating but it's an important part of the game. Also ketchup's general play has seemed town so I'm gonna need more reason to believe he's mafia rather than he's pushing you over Alaric.
I don't think Coma or ketchup are Mafia. I've given my reasons for voting Coma multiple times, the filter button is up and to the right if you want to read them. I voted for ketchup because he's pissing me off and pressuring me over nothing so I did the same to him.
I don't think my opinion on anyone at this point means anything. My scum read is still Wave. Jeff is town but he's just shitty.
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On October 15 2014 01:41 onlywonderboy wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2014 01:32 Requizen wrote:On October 15 2014 01:17 onlywonderboy wrote:On October 15 2014 01:08 Requizen wrote:On October 15 2014 01:06 onlywonderboy wrote:
So if he was lynched right now you would be completely indifferent? Sure. My personal opinion is that there are other people who are more likely to be Mafia, but I've been wrong before. Who specifically? Looks like your main pushes recently have been on Coma and ketchup. Has Coma's return to the thread made him less of a priority in your eyes? Also your push on ketchup seems weird. It honestly looks like you're just rage voting him because he's putting pressure on you. That's not good town play. We don't know who is mafia and who is town so just because someone is pushing you doesn't mean they are mafia. It can be frustrating but it's an important part of the game. Also ketchup's general play has seemed town so I'm gonna need more reason to believe he's mafia rather than he's pushing you over Alaric. I don't think Coma or ketchup are Mafia. I've given my reasons for voting Coma multiple times, the filter button is up and to the right if you want to read them. I voted for ketchup because he's pissing me off and pressuring me over nothing so I did the same to him. I don't think my opinion on anyone at this point means anything. My scum read is still Wave. Jeff is town but he's just shitty. Everyone's opinion means something. So Wave is your number one scum, here's the last post where you really talk about Wave Show nested quote +On October 14 2014 01:20 Requizen wrote:To that end I'm going to go through filters and post my thoughts given the results of last night. I will skim through somewhat quickly, as the thread is fairly large, so link me to anything I may miss about a person. They will come as the day progresses. At the moment, my two biggest Scum reads are still Wave and LordyT. Partially left over from last night, partially because my reasoning still feels good to me. Wave because what I posted above, LordT for the reasons I discussed yesterday. Additionally: -his early "role call" was highly suspicious -His list of players is highly iffy. Knowing that MoonBear was VT and (myself) knowing I am not scum, he noted us as scummy. Knowing that he and Wave are on my watchlist, he noted them as townish. And he calls Alzadar scum for "not paying attention to him", which is very much attention drawing. -His vote changed plenty enough for me to be suspicious. I understand using votes as pressure, but he jumped to many people I don't find suspicious/think may very well be town, and he helped push the MoonBear train pretty hard. These two are my top picks atm. Please respond with criticism/discussion, or if you are the accused respond with your rebuttal. Is this still the crux of your argument? Nothing about LT's death changed your mind on Wave? A lot of discussion has happened since this last read. Sometimes reiterating a point is helpful so we don't have to scour a filter to find relevant information.
That post was about LordT. This post was about Wave:
On October 14 2014 00:54 Requizen wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2014 00:48 jcarlsoniv wrote:
But here's the thing wave. You took a lead in town position just because your first post was a "follow me to victory" post. You've been very aggressive yes, but you've also been pretty defensive in the face of any criticism. You were incredibly indecisive for the rest of the day, keeping your vote unplaced for longer time than I'd expect after you criticized me early game for not placing my vote. On top of that, you wanted to enact some last minute "shenannies". A scum wave would absolutely know how to manipulate a newbie town, so excuse the town for not trusting your "judgement" thus far. This is largely how I'm feeling. Wave, your actions are suspicious. You're quick to jump on other people's posting because they don't line up with what you like, yet when people do the same to you, your defense and martyr shield comes up very quickly*. You also have used posts claimed to be "noob moves", such as claiming VT as your first D1 post and causing arguments instead of converstaion. These actions make you scummy. You're quick to accuse people of starting chaos when you, yourself, have been causing a clamor. Rather than helping the town progress naturally, you are either: a) Town and trying to force the Town to play your way or b) Scum and doing Scum things Both are bad, one is grounds for lynching. And, if you are Town, then all you're doing is drawing death N1. + Show Spoiler +*But, knowing your personality, you're not the type to take criticism easily, much like myself. Even if you don't want to admit it, this may be just your natural reaction.
I distrust Wave naturally because he's more experienced, and his movements have been more manipulative than they have been teamwork.
But I thought the same things about LordT so who knows/cares/
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@Soniv
Did you purposefully ignore the post I made about you 5 posts after that?
On October 14 2014 04:37 Requizen wrote:
I don't know on Soniv. Again, like Alz, his posts aren't scummy, but they don't feel squeaky clean. I like how he was on MB from early and stuck with it, so he wasn't really flip-floppy. Even if it was wrong, I like how he put down a feeling and then stuck with it rather that throwing his vote wherever.
But, his discussions (while moving the thread along), rarely give any of his own opinions. Other than his read on MB and an early read list, most of it is just talking about other player's reads until the end of the day rolled around. This doesn't scream scum to me, but it's very observer-like and lurky. Being around, talking without really drawing attention or saying anything that jumps can be a very effective stealth tool.
Like ketchup, you are "reading my filter" but ignoring the posts that make you look incorrect.
My reads at this point should be disregarded. My vote D1 was not wasted, because it would not have affected the end result of MB's lynch one way or another.
Is there a particular reason you and ketchup are both taking the same steps to paint me in a bad light?
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On October 15 2014 02:51 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2014 02:48 Requizen wrote:@Soniv Did you purposefully ignore the post I made about you 5 posts after that? On October 14 2014 04:37 Requizen wrote:
I don't know on Soniv. Again, like Alz, his posts aren't scummy, but they don't feel squeaky clean. I like how he was on MB from early and stuck with it, so he wasn't really flip-floppy. Even if it was wrong, I like how he put down a feeling and then stuck with it rather that throwing his vote wherever.
But, his discussions (while moving the thread along), rarely give any of his own opinions. Other than his read on MB and an early read list, most of it is just talking about other player's reads until the end of the day rolled around. This doesn't scream scum to me, but it's very observer-like and lurky. Being around, talking without really drawing attention or saying anything that jumps can be a very effective stealth tool. Like ketchup, you are "reading my filter" but ignoring the posts that make you look incorrect. My reads at this point should be disregarded. My vote D1 was not wasted, because it would not have affected the end result of MB's lynch one way or another. Is there a particular reason you and ketchup are both taking the same steps to paint me in a bad light? Because we're noticing the same things? I didn't ignore that post, it only reinforces my point - you aren't giving a read on me. "his posts aren't scummy, but they don't feel squeaky clean" "this doesn't scream scum to me". These are very non-committal opinions. You want my opinion? You look scummy as fuck. Moreso than Coma. ##unvote
##vote Requizen
You blatantly left it out of your "in depth investigation" to make me look like worse.
I haven't changed that stance. I don't have a good read on you. My instincts don't scream mafia but you haven't posted enough helpful things to be confirmed town. You are 20%~30% scum, which doesn't mean anything. If the votes go towards you, I have no problem letting them go through because I don't think you're confirmed town like some other people. If they don't, that's fine too, I think Wave is a bigger threat (for reasons listed multiple times).
I am not flipping on things. My opinions have formed slowly and changed slowly, and I have been outspoken and honest about it every step of the way. Ignoring that and trying to utilize misinformation makes you look bad, and I'd rather not have to pursue you.
As an aside, I'm removing my vote from ketchup since, as I said before, I don't think he's scum and I just jumped on him because he was on my case. I hope this reasoning is clear enough that it can be referenced in the future without someone twisting my actions to try and draw attention off of themselves.
##unvote
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On October 15 2014 02:57 Alzadar wrote:
Oh lots of posts while I was writing that.
Essentially right now I'm feeling pretty sure of Wave, Alaric, Ketchup, myself and Cixah obviously.
Fishy scum: Soniv, Ghandhi
Fishy: Asmo, Req
Rest I don't have a real read on.
On October 15 2014 00:28 jcarlsoniv wrote:Well that's really not that acceptable. There have been some good arguments in favor of my lynch, surely you can come up with something. Please take the time to formulate a read of some sort.
On October 15 2014 01:00 onlywonderboy wrote:
I mean you could elaborate more on why you are neutral, say why you don't agree with the people that are pushing him ect. Also you shouldn't be completely neutral on anyone at this point, everyone should at least be leaning town/scum by now.
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On October 15 2014 03:08 onlywonderboy wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2014 02:59 Requizen wrote:On October 15 2014 02:51 jcarlsoniv wrote:On October 15 2014 02:48 Requizen wrote:@Soniv Did you purposefully ignore the post I made about you 5 posts after that? On October 14 2014 04:37 Requizen wrote:
I don't know on Soniv. Again, like Alz, his posts aren't scummy, but they don't feel squeaky clean. I like how he was on MB from early and stuck with it, so he wasn't really flip-floppy. Even if it was wrong, I like how he put down a feeling and then stuck with it rather that throwing his vote wherever.
But, his discussions (while moving the thread along), rarely give any of his own opinions. Other than his read on MB and an early read list, most of it is just talking about other player's reads until the end of the day rolled around. This doesn't scream scum to me, but it's very observer-like and lurky. Being around, talking without really drawing attention or saying anything that jumps can be a very effective stealth tool. Like ketchup, you are "reading my filter" but ignoring the posts that make you look incorrect. My reads at this point should be disregarded. My vote D1 was not wasted, because it would not have affected the end result of MB's lynch one way or another. Is there a particular reason you and ketchup are both taking the same steps to paint me in a bad light? Because we're noticing the same things? I didn't ignore that post, it only reinforces my point - you aren't giving a read on me. "his posts aren't scummy, but they don't feel squeaky clean" "this doesn't scream scum to me". These are very non-committal opinions. You want my opinion? You look scummy as fuck. Moreso than Coma. ##unvote
##vote Requizen You blatantly left it out of your "in depth investigation" to make me look like worse. I haven't changed that stance. I don't have a good read on you. My instincts don't scream mafia but you haven't posted enough helpful things to be confirmed town. You are 20%~30% scum, which doesn't mean anything. If the votes go towards you, I have no problem letting them go through because I don't think you're confirmed town like some other people. If they don't, that's fine too, I think Wave is a bigger threat (for reasons listed multiple times). I am not flipping on things. My opinions have formed slowly and changed slowly, and I have been outspoken and honest about it every step of the way. Ignoring that and trying to utilize misinformation makes you look bad, and I'd rather not have to pursue you. As an aside, I'm removing my vote from ketchup since, as I said before, I don't think he's scum and I just jumped on him because he was on my case. I hope this reasoning is clear enough that it can be referenced in the future without someone twisting my actions to try and draw attention off of themselves. ##unvote ketchup vote was still a shitty play. Revenge voting doesn't really help town. It was distracting, but I'm glad you at least dropped the vote now. You that willing to commit to a Wave vote? I've been pretty vocal that I think Wave is town, but I wonder what other people have to say since he's been away for a while, wonder if people's opinions have changed.
Revenge voting (or really voting of any point) doesn't hold too much weight at this point in the game unless multiple people do it. A single vote this early in the day doesn't mean pretty much anything at all, so even though it doesn't help town, it doesn't hurt it either.
I would commit to a Wave vote if I was asked to put a realistic vote down. But this early in the day, as I said, it doesn't matter.
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On October 15 2014 03:09 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2014 02:59 Requizen wrote:On October 15 2014 02:51 jcarlsoniv wrote:On October 15 2014 02:48 Requizen wrote:@Soniv Did you purposefully ignore the post I made about you 5 posts after that? On October 14 2014 04:37 Requizen wrote:
I don't know on Soniv. Again, like Alz, his posts aren't scummy, but they don't feel squeaky clean. I like how he was on MB from early and stuck with it, so he wasn't really flip-floppy. Even if it was wrong, I like how he put down a feeling and then stuck with it rather that throwing his vote wherever.
But, his discussions (while moving the thread along), rarely give any of his own opinions. Other than his read on MB and an early read list, most of it is just talking about other player's reads until the end of the day rolled around. This doesn't scream scum to me, but it's very observer-like and lurky. Being around, talking without really drawing attention or saying anything that jumps can be a very effective stealth tool. Like ketchup, you are "reading my filter" but ignoring the posts that make you look incorrect. My reads at this point should be disregarded. My vote D1 was not wasted, because it would not have affected the end result of MB's lynch one way or another. Is there a particular reason you and ketchup are both taking the same steps to paint me in a bad light? Because we're noticing the same things? I didn't ignore that post, it only reinforces my point - you aren't giving a read on me. "his posts aren't scummy, but they don't feel squeaky clean" "this doesn't scream scum to me". These are very non-committal opinions. You want my opinion? You look scummy as fuck. Moreso than Coma. ##unvote
##vote Requizen You blatantly left it out of your "in depth investigation" to make me look like worse. I haven't changed that stance. I don't have a good read on you. My instincts don't scream mafia but you haven't posted enough helpful things to be confirmed town. You are 20%~30% scum, which doesn't mean anything. If the votes go towards you, I have no problem letting them go through because I don't think you're confirmed town like some other people. If they don't, that's fine too, I think Wave is a bigger threat (for reasons listed multiple times). I am not flipping on things. My opinions have formed slowly and changed slowly, and I have been outspoken and honest about it every step of the way. Ignoring that and trying to utilize misinformation makes you look bad, and I'd rather not have to pursue you. As an aside, I'm removing my vote from ketchup since, as I said before, I don't think he's scum and I just jumped on him because he was on my case. I hope this reasoning is clear enough that it can be referenced in the future without someone twisting my actions to try and draw attention off of themselves.##unvote That last paragraph is what's called an OMGUS vote, and it is a huge scumtell.
I didn't even know that was a thing. Ok, I guess it's a scummy move for someone who's played mafia for however many games, but you can clearly read the exchange between us (which was taking place at 1 in the morning) and realize my frustration. If not, then you can continue to ignore the evidence that is literally written down.
Show nested quote +On October 15 2014 03:00 Cixah wrote:On October 15 2014 02:59 jcarlsoniv wrote:On October 15 2014 02:56 Cixah wrote:
Dandel if you get a chance can we get an updated vote soon?
Soniv is pushing heavy to get everything off him, which is good. However everything said by him does nothing but deflect attention for me. If Req is really your scum read soniv, What Committal opinon do you have on Req?
Req isn't helping matters but I still have no reason to distrust him yet. I Like his position less and less especially over the last 4 hours but he's still town to me. Req, you need to find something to you can stand on, and soon otherwise I think you swing soon. I don't quite know what you're asking here. Could you clarify? You keep stating that he's deflecting the question that has him pinned on Scum. Which question are you refering to and How does NOT answering it or giving a STRAIGHT answer make him scum? I'm sorry, I'm still not really following. Everyone seems to have an opinion on me except Req. When asked directly, sure he has stuck with his "I have no real read on him" position - but I find that unacceptable when everyone else seems to want me dead. He's actively avoiding a bandwagon without coming out and saying that I'm town.
If I said you were town, it doesn't matter because it likely wouldn't dissuade people from riding your case given my bad reads and lack of conviction compared to theirs. If I said you were scum, people would accuse me of just jumping on the bandwagon given that I did not have that read on you previously. So I stuck to my guns and gave an honest opinion - that is, I don't know if you are either right now and I don't think I need to be forced to say.
My game does not revolve around you. You're just one out of eleven. Trying to force suspicion onto me is not going to get the votes off of you.
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On October 15 2014 03:15 Requizen wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2014 03:09 jcarlsoniv wrote:On October 15 2014 02:59 Requizen wrote:On October 15 2014 02:51 jcarlsoniv wrote:On October 15 2014 02:48 Requizen wrote:@Soniv Did you purposefully ignore the post I made about you 5 posts after that? On October 14 2014 04:37 Requizen wrote:
I don't know on Soniv. Again, like Alz, his posts aren't scummy, but they don't feel squeaky clean. I like how he was on MB from early and stuck with it, so he wasn't really flip-floppy. Even if it was wrong, I like how he put down a feeling and then stuck with it rather that throwing his vote wherever.
But, his discussions (while moving the thread along), rarely give any of his own opinions. Other than his read on MB and an early read list, most of it is just talking about other player's reads until the end of the day rolled around. This doesn't scream scum to me, but it's very observer-like and lurky. Being around, talking without really drawing attention or saying anything that jumps can be a very effective stealth tool. Like ketchup, you are "reading my filter" but ignoring the posts that make you look incorrect. My reads at this point should be disregarded. My vote D1 was not wasted, because it would not have affected the end result of MB's lynch one way or another. Is there a particular reason you and ketchup are both taking the same steps to paint me in a bad light? Because we're noticing the same things? I didn't ignore that post, it only reinforces my point - you aren't giving a read on me. "his posts aren't scummy, but they don't feel squeaky clean" "this doesn't scream scum to me". These are very non-committal opinions. You want my opinion? You look scummy as fuck. Moreso than Coma. ##unvote
##vote Requizen You blatantly left it out of your "in depth investigation" to make me look like worse. I haven't changed that stance. I don't have a good read on you. My instincts don't scream mafia but you haven't posted enough helpful things to be confirmed town. You are 20%~30% scum, which doesn't mean anything. If the votes go towards you, I have no problem letting them go through because I don't think you're confirmed town like some other people. If they don't, that's fine too, I think Wave is a bigger threat (for reasons listed multiple times). I am not flipping on things. My opinions have formed slowly and changed slowly, and I have been outspoken and honest about it every step of the way. Ignoring that and trying to utilize misinformation makes you look bad, and I'd rather not have to pursue you. As an aside, I'm removing my vote from ketchup since, as I said before, I don't think he's scum and I just jumped on him because he was on my case. I hope this reasoning is clear enough that it can be referenced in the future without someone twisting my actions to try and draw attention off of themselves.##unvote That last paragraph is what's called an OMGUS vote, and it is a huge scumtell. I didn't even know that was a thing. Ok, I guess it's a scummy move for someone who's played mafia for however many games, but you can clearly read the exchange between us (which was taking place at 1 in the morning) and realize my frustration. If not, then you can continue to ignore the evidence that is literally written down. Show nested quote +On October 15 2014 03:00 Cixah wrote:On October 15 2014 02:59 jcarlsoniv wrote:On October 15 2014 02:56 Cixah wrote:
Dandel if you get a chance can we get an updated vote soon?
Soniv is pushing heavy to get everything off him, which is good. However everything said by him does nothing but deflect attention for me. If Req is really your scum read soniv, What Committal opinon do you have on Req?
Req isn't helping matters but I still have no reason to distrust him yet. I Like his position less and less especially over the last 4 hours but he's still town to me. Req, you need to find something to you can stand on, and soon otherwise I think you swing soon. I don't quite know what you're asking here. Could you clarify? You keep stating that he's deflecting the question that has him pinned on Scum. Which question are you refering to and How does NOT answering it or giving a STRAIGHT answer make him scum? I'm sorry, I'm still not really following. Everyone seems to have an opinion on me except Req. When asked directly, sure he has stuck with his "I have no real read on him" position - but I find that unacceptable when everyone else seems to want me dead. He's actively avoiding a bandwagon without coming out and saying that I'm town. If I said you were town, it doesn't matter because it likely wouldn't dissuade people from riding your case given my bad reads and lack of conviction compared to theirs. If I said you were scum, people would accuse me of just jumping on the bandwagon given that I did not have that read on you previously. So I stuck to my guns and gave an honest opinion - that is, I don't know if you are either right now and I don't think I need to be forced to say. My game does not revolve around you. You're just one out of eleven. Trying to force suspicion onto me is not going to get the votes off of you.
By the by, you voting for me is also pretty well a OMGUS vote, since you just voted for me because you are upset that I didn't answer you the way you wanted to be answered.
And, in your own words, it is a huge scumtell.
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On October 15 2014 03:37 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2014 03:16 Requizen wrote:On October 15 2014 03:15 Requizen wrote:On October 15 2014 03:09 jcarlsoniv wrote:On October 15 2014 02:59 Requizen wrote:On October 15 2014 02:51 jcarlsoniv wrote:On October 15 2014 02:48 Requizen wrote:@Soniv Did you purposefully ignore the post I made about you 5 posts after that? On October 14 2014 04:37 Requizen wrote:
I don't know on Soniv. Again, like Alz, his posts aren't scummy, but they don't feel squeaky clean. I like how he was on MB from early and stuck with it, so he wasn't really flip-floppy. Even if it was wrong, I like how he put down a feeling and then stuck with it rather that throwing his vote wherever.
But, his discussions (while moving the thread along), rarely give any of his own opinions. Other than his read on MB and an early read list, most of it is just talking about other player's reads until the end of the day rolled around. This doesn't scream scum to me, but it's very observer-like and lurky. Being around, talking without really drawing attention or saying anything that jumps can be a very effective stealth tool. Like ketchup, you are "reading my filter" but ignoring the posts that make you look incorrect. My reads at this point should be disregarded. My vote D1 was not wasted, because it would not have affected the end result of MB's lynch one way or another. Is there a particular reason you and ketchup are both taking the same steps to paint me in a bad light? Because we're noticing the same things? I didn't ignore that post, it only reinforces my point - you aren't giving a read on me. "his posts aren't scummy, but they don't feel squeaky clean" "this doesn't scream scum to me". These are very non-committal opinions. You want my opinion? You look scummy as fuck. Moreso than Coma. ##unvote
##vote Requizen You blatantly left it out of your "in depth investigation" to make me look like worse. I haven't changed that stance. I don't have a good read on you. My instincts don't scream mafia but you haven't posted enough helpful things to be confirmed town. You are 20%~30% scum, which doesn't mean anything. If the votes go towards you, I have no problem letting them go through because I don't think you're confirmed town like some other people. If they don't, that's fine too, I think Wave is a bigger threat (for reasons listed multiple times). I am not flipping on things. My opinions have formed slowly and changed slowly, and I have been outspoken and honest about it every step of the way. Ignoring that and trying to utilize misinformation makes you look bad, and I'd rather not have to pursue you. As an aside, I'm removing my vote from ketchup since, as I said before, I don't think he's scum and I just jumped on him because he was on my case. I hope this reasoning is clear enough that it can be referenced in the future without someone twisting my actions to try and draw attention off of themselves.##unvote That last paragraph is what's called an OMGUS vote, and it is a huge scumtell. I didn't even know that was a thing. Ok, I guess it's a scummy move for someone who's played mafia for however many games, but you can clearly read the exchange between us (which was taking place at 1 in the morning) and realize my frustration. If not, then you can continue to ignore the evidence that is literally written down. On October 15 2014 03:00 Cixah wrote:On October 15 2014 02:59 jcarlsoniv wrote:On October 15 2014 02:56 Cixah wrote:
Dandel if you get a chance can we get an updated vote soon?
Soniv is pushing heavy to get everything off him, which is good. However everything said by him does nothing but deflect attention for me. If Req is really your scum read soniv, What Committal opinon do you have on Req?
Req isn't helping matters but I still have no reason to distrust him yet. I Like his position less and less especially over the last 4 hours but he's still town to me. Req, you need to find something to you can stand on, and soon otherwise I think you swing soon. I don't quite know what you're asking here. Could you clarify? You keep stating that he's deflecting the question that has him pinned on Scum. Which question are you refering to and How does NOT answering it or giving a STRAIGHT answer make him scum? I'm sorry, I'm still not really following. Everyone seems to have an opinion on me except Req. When asked directly, sure he has stuck with his "I have no real read on him" position - but I find that unacceptable when everyone else seems to want me dead. He's actively avoiding a bandwagon without coming out and saying that I'm town. If I said you were town, it doesn't matter because it likely wouldn't dissuade people from riding your case given my bad reads and lack of conviction compared to theirs. If I said you were scum, people would accuse me of just jumping on the bandwagon given that I did not have that read on you previously. So I stuck to my guns and gave an honest opinion - that is, I don't know if you are either right now and I don't think I need to be forced to say. My game does not revolve around you. You're just one out of eleven. Trying to force suspicion onto me is not going to get the votes off of you. By the by, you voting for me is also pretty well a OMGUS vote, since you just voted for me because you are upset that I didn't answer you the way you wanted to be answered. And, in your own words, it is a huge scumtell. Yeah...that's not how OMGUS works. You voted ketchup because he started pressing you and asking questions. In your words "he was on your case". I'm voting you because in the face of several cases on me, and despite saying you'd dive into my filter, you're still null on me. What you did is OMGUS, what I did is vote someone that I think is scum. You literally have just admitted that you avoided saying I'm scum because you didn't want to be accused of bandwagoning. + Show Spoiler +On October 15 2014 03:15 Requizen wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2014 03:09 jcarlsoniv wrote:On October 15 2014 02:59 Requizen wrote:On October 15 2014 02:51 jcarlsoniv wrote:On October 15 2014 02:48 Requizen wrote:@Soniv Did you purposefully ignore the post I made about you 5 posts after that? On October 14 2014 04:37 Requizen wrote:
I don't know on Soniv. Again, like Alz, his posts aren't scummy, but they don't feel squeaky clean. I like how he was on MB from early and stuck with it, so he wasn't really flip-floppy. Even if it was wrong, I like how he put down a feeling and then stuck with it rather that throwing his vote wherever.
But, his discussions (while moving the thread along), rarely give any of his own opinions. Other than his read on MB and an early read list, most of it is just talking about other player's reads until the end of the day rolled around. This doesn't scream scum to me, but it's very observer-like and lurky. Being around, talking without really drawing attention or saying anything that jumps can be a very effective stealth tool. Like ketchup, you are "reading my filter" but ignoring the posts that make you look incorrect. My reads at this point should be disregarded. My vote D1 was not wasted, because it would not have affected the end result of MB's lynch one way or another. Is there a particular reason you and ketchup are both taking the same steps to paint me in a bad light? Because we're noticing the same things? I didn't ignore that post, it only reinforces my point - you aren't giving a read on me. "his posts aren't scummy, but they don't feel squeaky clean" "this doesn't scream scum to me". These are very non-committal opinions. You want my opinion? You look scummy as fuck. Moreso than Coma. ##unvote
##vote Requizen You blatantly left it out of your "in depth investigation" to make me look like worse. I haven't changed that stance. I don't have a good read on you. My instincts don't scream mafia but you haven't posted enough helpful things to be confirmed town. You are 20%~30% scum, which doesn't mean anything. If the votes go towards you, I have no problem letting them go through because I don't think you're confirmed town like some other people. If they don't, that's fine too, I think Wave is a bigger threat (for reasons listed multiple times). I am not flipping on things. My opinions have formed slowly and changed slowly, and I have been outspoken and honest about it every step of the way. Ignoring that and trying to utilize misinformation makes you look bad, and I'd rather not have to pursue you. As an aside, I'm removing my vote from ketchup since, as I said before, I don't think he's scum and I just jumped on him because he was on my case. I hope this reasoning is clear enough that it can be referenced in the future without someone twisting my actions to try and draw attention off of themselves.##unvote That last paragraph is what's called an OMGUS vote, and it is a huge scumtell. I didn't even know that was a thing. Ok, I guess it's a scummy move for someone who's played mafia for however many games, but you can clearly read the exchange between us (which was taking place at 1 in the morning) and realize my frustration. If not, then you can continue to ignore the evidence that is literally written down. Show nested quote +On October 15 2014 03:00 Cixah wrote:On October 15 2014 02:59 jcarlsoniv wrote:On October 15 2014 02:56 Cixah wrote:
Dandel if you get a chance can we get an updated vote soon?
Soniv is pushing heavy to get everything off him, which is good. However everything said by him does nothing but deflect attention for me. If Req is really your scum read soniv, What Committal opinon do you have on Req?
Req isn't helping matters but I still have no reason to distrust him yet. I Like his position less and less especially over the last 4 hours but he's still town to me. Req, you need to find something to you can stand on, and soon otherwise I think you swing soon. I don't quite know what you're asking here. Could you clarify? You keep stating that he's deflecting the question that has him pinned on Scum. Which question are you refering to and How does NOT answering it or giving a STRAIGHT answer make him scum? I'm sorry, I'm still not really following. Everyone seems to have an opinion on me except Req. When asked directly, sure he has stuck with his "I have no real read on him" position - but I find that unacceptable when everyone else seems to want me dead. He's actively avoiding a bandwagon without coming out and saying that I'm town. If I said you were town, it doesn't matter because it likely wouldn't dissuade people from riding your case given my bad reads and lack of conviction compared to theirs. If I said you were scum, people would accuse me of just jumping on the bandwagon given that I did not have that read on you previously. So I stuck to my guns and gave an honest opinion - that is, I don't know if you are either right now and I don't think I need to be forced to say.My game does not revolve around you. You're just one out of eleven. Trying to force suspicion onto me is not going to get the votes off of you. This is scum mentality. You're concerned about looking guilty - townies should never be worried about looking guilty, they're there to find the reds. They're there to stick their necks out and see what's up. You're working hard to not stick your neck out. Your game might not revolve around me, but right now, the thread is revolving around the case on me. So many people want me dead. Overwhelmingly so that people, Wave especially, should be able to tell that no one is in my corner. Once again, I state - this is why LT is dead. He was the only one who realized that I was town. Someone mentioned to look at his last post, and it says "if unsure, a Wave or Soniv vote works D2". However, I am where everyone's focus went immediately, and what's happening right now is a bandwagon through and through. And you can bet your ass that scum are happy it's happening.
Just because I don't have a strong opinion on you, I'm scum. That is the entirety of your whole argument. That the shittiest reasoning I've seen in a long time, and I used to read GD. If you really are town and want to get the votes off of you, you should explain your own actions rather than make me repeat myself for the, what, fifth time?
All you're doing is making me think you're more scum. This isn't bandwagoning (as you can clearly see from this entire exchange, I've remained very neutral up until this point), this is me looking at your actions (blame shifting, misinformation, fearmongering) and seeing you turn red. Whether that's just a townie screaming at nothing until his face turns purple or a desperate mafia, I don't know.
However, nothing is gained by me putting my vote on you right now. You already have enough of those to deal with.
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On October 15 2014 03:47 Alzadar wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2014 03:37 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Once again, I state - this is why LT is dead. He was the only one who realized that I was town. Someone mentioned to look at his last post, and it says "if unsure, a Wave or Soniv vote works D2". However, I am where everyone's focus went immediately, and what's happening right now is a bandwagon through and through. And you can bet your ass that scum are happy it's happening. I'll grant you that LT wasn't outright calling for your lynch, but he definitely didn't "realize you were town", he was pretty suspicious of you.
That's not true. LordT said Soniv was mostly cleared in his eyes because he was running the MB train into the ground, which LordT viewed as bad scum play.
However, the words of a dead man, no matter how innocent he turned out to be, aren't all truth.
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On October 15 2014 04:09 WaveofShadow wrote:Still in the midst of catching up but Req you're playing like shit again. Shape up. You have me as your number one scumread again all of a sudden? Like wtf is that? Refusing to look into other people in more detail, ragevoting ketchup? I dunno for those who think Req is scum consider that people thought MB was scum for faking newbie shit too...I think this may be a game where the newbies actually are just that. If req has been faking some of this stuff he's been doing a fucking masterful job imo, and you're discounting a lot of the effort he HAS put in when it was relevant. Or of course it could just be the people voting for him are scum or something.  FInishing my read.
I'm playing the game the best way I think it should be played. If my play is deteriorating it's just because I'm tired of everyone constantly telling me I'm shit and that everything that comes out of my mouth is wrong. If that's the case, then I'll just stop posting and jump on whatever bandwagon is strongest, because clearly I'm always wrong and it annoys people to read my posts.
You were always my #1 scumread (tied with LordT). I said it D1, I said it N1, and I confirmed it multiple times today. It hasn't changed. Once it does I'll say something. I never said anything to the contrary, so why would you ever say "wtf" to that?
I'm not refusing to look into people. I gave my reviews of other people during N1, I think I got everyone but I might have forgotten a couple. If so, tell me and I will look into them.
I ragevoted ketchup but who gives a fuck, it literally hurts no one.
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##vote jcarlsoniv
be back later
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I've posted and responded and tried to help town, and repeatedly was told I was doing it wrong and that my posts were incorrect and stupid. So I'm trying something different. As it turns out, pretty much everything I do elicits a similar response.
Both you and Soniv started tirades against me based on very shaky ideas and both tried to use misinformation and half truths to make me look as bad as possible. And then when that failed, you fell on "well he's different from day 1" as an excuse to keep going. Of course I am. Give me a fracking break.
I'm voting Soniv because his pressure made no sense, as I noted here:
+ Show Spoiler +Just because I don't have a strong opinion on you, I'm scum. That is the entirety of your whole argument. That the shittiest reasoning I've seen in a long time, and I used to read GD. If you really are town and want to get the votes off of you, you should explain your own actions rather than make me repeat myself for the, what, fifth time?
All you're doing is making me think you're more scum. This isn't bandwagoning (as you can clearly see from this entire exchange, I've remained very neutral up until this point), this is me looking at your actions (blame shifting, misinformation, fearmongering) and seeing you turn red. Whether that's just a townie screaming at nothing until his face turns purple or a desperate mafia, I don't know.
As you can read (and I even copied it for you so you don't have to go into my filter and miss it again), his constant poking at non-points and failing to use simple logic makes me think he's trying way too hard to get people against me. It moves him up on my scum list. And since I'd rather vote on someone who I think may go through (Soniv) rather than someone who I know no one else but Jeff will vote on (Wave), I put my vote there.
I could break it down further for you, but sometimes I'm optimistic and like to think that you're not that soft in the head.
But then, maybe you're right. Maybe I'm terrible at this, just as terrible as I am at every game I play.
Except 40k. Where I'll go now. Be back in a few hours or so.
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