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On October 15 2014 01:08 Requizen wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2014 01:06 onlywonderboy wrote:
So if he was lynched right now you would be completely indifferent? Sure. My personal opinion is that there are other people who are more likely to be Mafia, but I've been wrong before.
Who specifically? Looks like your main pushes recently have been on Coma and ketchup. Has Coma's return to the thread made him less of a priority in your eyes?
Also your push on ketchup seems weird. It honestly looks like you're just rage voting him because he's putting pressure on you. That's not good town play. We don't know who is mafia and who is town so just because someone is pushing you doesn't mean they are mafia. It can be frustrating but it's an important part of the game. Also ketchup's general play has seemed town so I'm gonna need more reason to believe he's mafia rather than he's pushing you over Alaric.
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*pushing Req over his read on Alaric, not pushing Req rather than Alaric.
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On October 15 2014 01:24 Alaric wrote:Why not push for them and point out how they're more suspicious than Soniv to you when prompted about him, them? Ultimately the game is about lynching mafia, not "not making mistake" and being fine with lynching a random because you couldn't read him. 'cept for D1, but that's because it's hard to have a definite read... As for Coma: Show nested quote +On October 15 2014 00:10 ComaDose wrote:
i am referring to what wave previously pointed out that i voted for ghandi when I was unfortunately otherwise occupied and im unlikely to vote for scum. Uh... yeah. Can't really argue about that, especially since I defended the guys with the "RL stuff" card saying I wouldn't question it. You're unrelated to Ghandi, in that you aren't both scum. However Ghandi's still the "easy" solution because he's been attacked so much, and without Asmo's case on soniv (and Tolkien dying, which seems to have removed a cushion between Wave and Soniv (or just made it one less person for Wave to argue with so he does it harder with the remaining ones  )) he'd still probably be the current bandwagon... alongside you. I'd say I value consistency, but your circumstances, that make your vote on Ghandi less suspicious, now say that it's not a strong vote either because you didn't have much time or material to be 100% sure of your initial call, eg. circumstances have changed between then and now. If you didn't have the convenience of Ghandi to place your vote, who would you investigate/pressure? And why? (I know the arguments against Soniv are solid but if he's your pick it's going to look like a bandwagon... )
Not as if it's been completely unwarranted, sometimes the easy option is the right option.
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On October 15 2014 01:32 Requizen wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2014 01:17 onlywonderboy wrote:On October 15 2014 01:08 Requizen wrote:On October 15 2014 01:06 onlywonderboy wrote:
So if he was lynched right now you would be completely indifferent? Sure. My personal opinion is that there are other people who are more likely to be Mafia, but I've been wrong before. Who specifically? Looks like your main pushes recently have been on Coma and ketchup. Has Coma's return to the thread made him less of a priority in your eyes? Also your push on ketchup seems weird. It honestly looks like you're just rage voting him because he's putting pressure on you. That's not good town play. We don't know who is mafia and who is town so just because someone is pushing you doesn't mean they are mafia. It can be frustrating but it's an important part of the game. Also ketchup's general play has seemed town so I'm gonna need more reason to believe he's mafia rather than he's pushing you over Alaric. I don't think Coma or ketchup are Mafia. I've given my reasons for voting Coma multiple times, the filter button is up and to the right if you want to read them. I voted for ketchup because he's pissing me off and pressuring me over nothing so I did the same to him. I don't think my opinion on anyone at this point means anything. My scum read is still Wave. Jeff is town but he's just shitty.
Everyone's opinion means something. So Wave is your number one scum, here's the last post where you really talk about Wave
On October 14 2014 01:20 Requizen wrote:To that end I'm going to go through filters and post my thoughts given the results of last night. I will skim through somewhat quickly, as the thread is fairly large, so link me to anything I may miss about a person. They will come as the day progresses. At the moment, my two biggest Scum reads are still Wave and LordyT. Partially left over from last night, partially because my reasoning still feels good to me. Wave because what I posted above, LordT for the reasons I discussed yesterday. Additionally: -his early "role call" was highly suspicious -His list of players is highly iffy. Knowing that MoonBear was VT and (myself) knowing I am not scum, he noted us as scummy. Knowing that he and Wave are on my watchlist, he noted them as townish. And he calls Alzadar scum for "not paying attention to him", which is very much attention drawing. -His vote changed plenty enough for me to be suspicious. I understand using votes as pressure, but he jumped to many people I don't find suspicious/think may very well be town, and he helped push the MoonBear train pretty hard. These two are my top picks atm. Please respond with criticism/discussion, or if you are the accused respond with your rebuttal.
Is this still the crux of your argument? Nothing about LT's death changed your mind on Wave? A lot of discussion has happened since this last read. Sometimes reiterating a point is helpful so we don't have to scour a filter to find relevant information.
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Ah okay, sorry about the misquote. I think you're misreading Wave's attempts to lead the town as being manipulative. I think is a direct result of him trying to guide the newbs which actually backfired on him.
It also sounds like you're getting really down on yourself because the game isn't going as you hope. That's kinda how I felt during my newbie games. I'm leaning towards Req just being discourage town rather than scum.
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On October 15 2014 02:59 Requizen wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2014 02:51 jcarlsoniv wrote:On October 15 2014 02:48 Requizen wrote:@Soniv Did you purposefully ignore the post I made about you 5 posts after that? On October 14 2014 04:37 Requizen wrote:
I don't know on Soniv. Again, like Alz, his posts aren't scummy, but they don't feel squeaky clean. I like how he was on MB from early and stuck with it, so he wasn't really flip-floppy. Even if it was wrong, I like how he put down a feeling and then stuck with it rather that throwing his vote wherever.
But, his discussions (while moving the thread along), rarely give any of his own opinions. Other than his read on MB and an early read list, most of it is just talking about other player's reads until the end of the day rolled around. This doesn't scream scum to me, but it's very observer-like and lurky. Being around, talking without really drawing attention or saying anything that jumps can be a very effective stealth tool. Like ketchup, you are "reading my filter" but ignoring the posts that make you look incorrect. My reads at this point should be disregarded. My vote D1 was not wasted, because it would not have affected the end result of MB's lynch one way or another. Is there a particular reason you and ketchup are both taking the same steps to paint me in a bad light? Because we're noticing the same things? I didn't ignore that post, it only reinforces my point - you aren't giving a read on me. "his posts aren't scummy, but they don't feel squeaky clean" "this doesn't scream scum to me". These are very non-committal opinions. You want my opinion? You look scummy as fuck. Moreso than Coma. ##unvote
##vote Requizen You blatantly left it out of your "in depth investigation" to make me look like worse. I haven't changed that stance. I don't have a good read on you. My instincts don't scream mafia but you haven't posted enough helpful things to be confirmed town. You are 20%~30% scum, which doesn't mean anything. If the votes go towards you, I have no problem letting them go through because I don't think you're confirmed town like some other people. If they don't, that's fine too, I think Wave is a bigger threat (for reasons listed multiple times). I am not flipping on things. My opinions have formed slowly and changed slowly, and I have been outspoken and honest about it every step of the way. Ignoring that and trying to utilize misinformation makes you look bad, and I'd rather not have to pursue you. As an aside, I'm removing my vote from ketchup since, as I said before, I don't think he's scum and I just jumped on him because he was on my case. I hope this reasoning is clear enough that it can be referenced in the future without someone twisting my actions to try and draw attention off of themselves. ##unvote
ketchup vote was still a shitty play. Revenge voting doesn't really help town. It was distracting, but I'm glad you at least dropped the vote now. You that willing to commit to a Wave vote? I've been pretty vocal that I think Wave is town, but I wonder what other people have to say since he's been away for a while, wonder if people's opinions have changed.
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On October 15 2014 03:03 Requizen wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2014 02:57 Alzadar wrote:
Oh lots of posts while I was writing that.
Essentially right now I'm feeling pretty sure of Wave, Alaric, Ketchup, myself and Cixah obviously.
Fishy scum: Soniv, Ghandhi
Fishy: Asmo, Req
Rest I don't have a real read on. Show nested quote +On October 15 2014 00:28 jcarlsoniv wrote:On October 14 2014 23:58 Requizen wrote:
I have no opinions on Soniv. Well that's really not that acceptable. There have been some good arguments in favor of my lynch, surely you can come up with something. Please take the time to formulate a read of some sort. Show nested quote +On October 15 2014 01:00 onlywonderboy wrote:
I mean you could elaborate more on why you are neutral, say why you don't agree with the people that are pushing him ect. Also you shouldn't be completely neutral on anyone at this point, everyone should at least be leaning town/scum by now.
lol he's totally right, can't let you slide with a comment like that. I'm all for not posting reads for everyone in a single post, but you can't just say that after we're criticized Req for it.
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On October 15 2014 03:10 Cixah wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2014 03:08 onlywonderboy wrote:On October 15 2014 02:59 Requizen wrote:On October 15 2014 02:51 jcarlsoniv wrote:On October 15 2014 02:48 Requizen wrote:@Soniv Did you purposefully ignore the post I made about you 5 posts after that? On October 14 2014 04:37 Requizen wrote:
I don't know on Soniv. Again, like Alz, his posts aren't scummy, but they don't feel squeaky clean. I like how he was on MB from early and stuck with it, so he wasn't really flip-floppy. Even if it was wrong, I like how he put down a feeling and then stuck with it rather that throwing his vote wherever.
But, his discussions (while moving the thread along), rarely give any of his own opinions. Other than his read on MB and an early read list, most of it is just talking about other player's reads until the end of the day rolled around. This doesn't scream scum to me, but it's very observer-like and lurky. Being around, talking without really drawing attention or saying anything that jumps can be a very effective stealth tool. Like ketchup, you are "reading my filter" but ignoring the posts that make you look incorrect. My reads at this point should be disregarded. My vote D1 was not wasted, because it would not have affected the end result of MB's lynch one way or another. Is there a particular reason you and ketchup are both taking the same steps to paint me in a bad light? Because we're noticing the same things? I didn't ignore that post, it only reinforces my point - you aren't giving a read on me. "his posts aren't scummy, but they don't feel squeaky clean" "this doesn't scream scum to me". These are very non-committal opinions. You want my opinion? You look scummy as fuck. Moreso than Coma. ##unvote
##vote Requizen You blatantly left it out of your "in depth investigation" to make me look like worse. I haven't changed that stance. I don't have a good read on you. My instincts don't scream mafia but you haven't posted enough helpful things to be confirmed town. You are 20%~30% scum, which doesn't mean anything. If the votes go towards you, I have no problem letting them go through because I don't think you're confirmed town like some other people. If they don't, that's fine too, I think Wave is a bigger threat (for reasons listed multiple times). I am not flipping on things. My opinions have formed slowly and changed slowly, and I have been outspoken and honest about it every step of the way. Ignoring that and trying to utilize misinformation makes you look bad, and I'd rather not have to pursue you. As an aside, I'm removing my vote from ketchup since, as I said before, I don't think he's scum and I just jumped on him because he was on my case. I hope this reasoning is clear enough that it can be referenced in the future without someone twisting my actions to try and draw attention off of themselves. ##unvote ketchup vote was still a shitty play. Revenge voting doesn't really help town. It was distracting, but I'm glad you at least dropped the vote now. You that willing to commit to a Wave vote? I've been pretty vocal that I think Wave is town, but I wonder what other people have to say since he's been away for a while, wonder if people's opinions have changed. This is the most sketchy post I've seen you make in this whole thread OWB, which while not many your stuff has some substance to it. Why are you campaigning for a Wave vote now when he hasn't even be brought to the table in 2 pages?
Oh I'm not campaigning for a Wave vote, just wondering if anyone even support Req's campaign against him atm.
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On October 15 2014 11:53 ketchup wrote:
Wave, it's not the lack of posts that annoy me about the lurkers, but the lack of interaction between everyone in the thread. Right now, it's usually me, you, or soniv. Before this, we could add in tolkien too. The majority of the players have very little interaction between each other. I'm trying very hard to force interaction when I can, but it doesn't work the way I want. I tried to pressure Req to expand on reads, and he went defensive on me. Worse yet, he seems more confused than ever.
It seems like a lot of us are just gone for really long swaths of time. Like when I was around earlier I tried talking to Req and Alz a little bit but not many other people were active at the time. Then I went to work and ofc that's when Jeff comes back. Caught up now but still analyzing what happened while I was gone, will post before bed.
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Couple things.
I'm in the camp that Req is just frustrated town. Call me out for parroting or whatever but I honestly think he's just upset with the game because he's trying to contribute and he just gets called scum for it. Coming from personal experience with my own newbie mafia games I can say I felt similarly.
That said I don't think Soniv is scum for pushing him so hard. Him and Wave are interestingly enough two sides of the same coin when it comes to Req. Wave is ready to believe his play is just shitty town based on his personality while Soniv is worried we're falling into a trap and giving him too much leeway because we know him. If Req has tricked us like this it would be some pretty good scum play.
Wasn't a fan of Asmo's return post but that was picked apart pretty clean by Wave and Soniv. Wish he has been able to post more that the one main rebuttal.
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Also I should address Asmo's point about my vote on Jeff being OMGUS (which I didn't know was a thing until Soniv brought it up later).
While there is some passion in the post, I didn't make it just because Jeff was putting pressure on me. I had clearly said I was going to be afk and then he made his post anyway. I responded the way I did because his post seemed like mafia fluff to try and pressure a lurker without really committing to anything and gaining town cred. Then on top of that he admits he completely missed my post meaning he wasn't paying full attention to the thread which scum can do because they can rely on their knowledge of who is town and who isn't to help them navigate certain discussions.
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On October 16 2014 02:10 ComaDose wrote:
i cant tell if ghandi is convincing or desperate
His post seems sincere, but if I were scum I'd make the same sort of desperation post (I mean we already gave Req a pass with his appeal to emotion so I can't fault him for trying). I agree he shouldn't be considered a lurker (like he's not mord level or anything) but he hasn't said anything to convince me to move my initial vote. I'll reread Soniv's filter but I feel like's he's played better despite Jeff claiming they've been doing the same stuff.
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On October 16 2014 02:33 mordek wrote:
Nice, managed to secure the name of a lurker-tier.
Never a better time than the present to lose that title.
How do you feel about the current vote? You're currently sitting on Soniv, you still feel good about that vote? How about the recent move over to Jeff? How would you feel if he was lynched?
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On October 16 2014 02:31 WaveofShadow wrote:
Like what WAS with all the greenfont shit?
And why does he feel the need to point out the extremely obvious, that there is a bus going on (unless both soniv/Jeff are town and the scum are in the rest of lurk city, or we've been massively fooled by, say, himself or ketchup).
I think a lot of us have actually let Alaric skate by on early towncred without looking into him in a long time.
Either that or the quiet is making me paranoid. I hate being in charge of lynches. Good practice though.
Probably the quiet :p
Although, I think the fact that he hasn't put down a vote is more damning than the shitty green text. Maybe it's a timezone thing, but I wish he would just commit, because the longer he waits it just seems like he's waiting to vote when it would draw the least suspicion on him.
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On October 16 2014 03:03 mordek wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2014 02:39 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
Also, Mordek I've noticed you have never really proofed anything. I went through your filter and every other post it seems like you're talking about "a gut feeling" or a "town vibe" from people. You need to have some more original thoughts, because pretty soon you're going to be on the lurker spotlight.
Actually this is really suspicious and I want to get more out of you, because you've done nothing but trying to stay politically correct from the backlines, so consider this a caution vote to get your attention
##Vote: Mordek Hi Ghandi thanks. It seems you've picked someone else to see if maybe that will get something started since, once again, the pressure's on you. I know I'm town so I'm currently going through to see who thought I was a good scum target as they are most likely scum. I'm kinda curious why you're the first person to press the issue since honestly, my posting looks lurker-scum. @owb I haven't been able to pick up on any slips so while it's hard to be super confident it's not like I've been politician-y about things. I stuck with my feelings on LT (which iirc where well spoken by alaric in an earlier post D1) and I was wrong. Ok, those things happen. I had a feeling on Soniv but I've repeatedly said him and ghandi were my #1 reads. I could go either way.
Moving on from a bad read is part of the game, can't beat yourself up or you'll just end up constantly second guessing yourself and that doesn't help when you're looking for scum. Still you haven't talked that much this game so it doesn't look like you're trying too hard to actually come up with unique reads.
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On October 16 2014 03:09 WaveofShadow wrote:##unvote
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This interests me actually. Mordek you say you haven't been politician-y, but Show nested quote +On October 12 2014 01:53 mordek wrote:
Ok. I've been trying to re-read and trim my post up so I don't have any distracting details. My main thought is I can't see Wave making that big post which obviously creates a confident and open atmosphere right from the start, absolutely a Town move, and then it's some huge reverse psychology thing. We're going to find out soon if he points us in the wrong direction as the leader.
I don't have great reads on scum, I'm not sure what makes a good read vs. a feeling. So far Swaglord has been contentless, changes the subject, or is just unrelated and doesn't build any conversation. Also owb has not posted yet, do we know if he has a good reason not to? Show nested quote +On October 12 2014 05:03 mordek wrote:
Ok I may have posted too hastily. If Cixah is another role that we should be worried about as town, he'd only have one night to do whatever it is because he wouldn't be able to confirm the next day. I can't imagine this being worth the risk over just trying to talk people out of voting for him. Show nested quote +On October 13 2014 05:21 mordek wrote:
Look I'm fine if I've made a misread. However in one post I'm almost confirmed town and in your next post my style is newb mafia. You also managed to miss a post that quotes you twice? Show nested quote +On October 13 2014 05:50 mordek wrote:On October 13 2014 05:47 Lord Tolkien wrote:On October 13 2014 05:28 mordek wrote:On October 13 2014 05:06 mordek wrote:
I'm going with my gut. I'm fairly sure Wave is town. I've been uneasy about Tolkien the whole time. We're going to learn a lot after the first day. Prove me wrong to change my vote.
##Vote Lord Tolkien On October 12 2014 01:53 mordek wrote:
Ok. I've been trying to re-read and trim my post up so I don't have any distracting details. My main thought is I can't see Wave making that big post which obviously creates a confident and open atmosphere right from the start, absolutely a Town move, and then it's some huge reverse psychology thing. We're going to find out soon if he points us in the wrong direction as the leader.
I don't have great reads on scum, I'm not sure what makes a good read vs. a feeling. So far Swaglord has been contentless, changes the subject, or is just unrelated and doesn't build any conversation. Also owb has not posted yet, do we know if he has a good reason not to? I don't know how this is a bandwagon. Me and Wave voted for you and now I'm hopping on a wagon? You're not the only one. Just check the votecount. Your reasoning feels weak. So does wave's but not lynching him D1. Ok, so I see you posted this twice so I'll respond. This is D1, I've tried to push and poke a couple things and observe. I haven't seen any better argument for someone being scum. Honestly, point me to who you think is scum and why and I'll vote if it makes sense. I'm not changing my vote just because Wave unvoted either. Show nested quote +On October 14 2014 03:12 mordek wrote:
Wow epic fail on rewording that second sentence. "This tells us nothing of who are next lynch target should be." Period, no leftovers from the edited prior sentence. Wow that looks dumb lol. A lot of your posting just doesn't look great at all. Gives me bad feels.
Well this post has certainly piqued my interest. Doesn't mean he's scum for sure but I'm alright putting the ball in his court right now.
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On October 16 2014 03:52 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2014 03:34 Alaric wrote:Soniv:+ Show Spoiler +About the key thing, this is how I view it (from reading today's filters only):
- before Ghandi switched and I voted, it was 6-5 for you. A tie would be against Ghandi I think, haven't checked hard, but iirc owb has the oldest post, and he isn't likely to switch, so for you to die people needed to switch. ComaDose certainly won't because he seems convinced that killing Ghandi will somehow clear him (and I think however Ghandi flips there are strong arguments against him either way, part of why I don't think lynching Ghandi will produce much), Cixah and ketchup don't look like they would either (ketchup offered a hand but I dunno how firm he is).
That means that Wave, because he tends to be listened to, and because he's one of the rare people not completely set yet, has the power to either force a tie or break it (even more so had he known I'd vote against you, that was 6-6 but Ghandi switched while I typed).
As for lynching you, sure there's a risk you'll flip green.
But not only do I think it's a tiny risk, we also stand to gain much more from your flipping (whether red or green, already said I'm coming for Asmo if you flip green myself) than Ghandi's. Both your posting has been a bit poor today, but I could easily attribute that to both of you being in a kinda deadlock for more of the day; and if given more liberty, I'm much more afraid of you leading us astray than I'd be of Ghandi. Even if he's scum he doesn't push us toward wrong lynches (that pretty much everyone ignores him doesn't help).
As of now we can't know which one of you is red, or if you aren't even both red (I don't see it as likely but it's not impossible), but I'm pretty damn sure one of you has to be scum, and your flip will give us more stuff to catch the remaining 2-3.
Add to that that I won't be around for the deadline in case of last minute shenanigans/twist (if you want to claim do it in the next 4 hours), and that I didn't think the situation could change (I'll admit I'm wrong, the new mordek wagon proved that with a perfect timing, uh), and I didn't see the point to fish for "maybe scum" instead of "very probably scum + info on the others".
If you give me a better lynch? I'll bow, and I'll switch to that. But my reasoning was (and still is, unless twists like a mordek slip or something) that it's between Ghandi and you tonight, and that you are the "better" lynch. I'm so confused how you think my posting has been bad today. You had a town read on me D1, and my posting was so much worse D1, and I'm happy to be the first to admit that. Once again, I'm feeling like my entire play today has been largely ignored. I have tried to hand you guys a better lynch, and it was completely passed off as everyone giving Req a pass for being Req. I also now believe that Jeff is scum (something I did not think was true D1), and I've tried to push him as well. Is this going to be the theme of the game? Every day it's going to be Jeff vs. someone that ends up flipping town, only to continue it on the next day? You think you're going to get information from my flip, but all you'll find out is how god damn wrong you've been and how much time you've all wasted. Show nested quote +On October 16 2014 03:31 mordek wrote:
I like how Soniv dodged the claim or your getting lynched questions too. Admittedly he could be in meetings but let's not forget. ? What did I dodge?
I can get behind what Soniv is saying here. I've already said I think he's played better than Jeff during Day 2 so between the two I'm still going to vote Jeff. In fact
##Unvote
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The Jeff flip will give us insight into Soniv's alignment and we can decide whether or not we trust him from there. If they are both mafia it would be a pretty masterful bus.
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Very beginning of the game.
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On October 16 2014 04:11 ketchup wrote:
Here are a few questions that I am currently having:
Why is Wave jumping on the mordek voting that was started by someone he feels is so heavily scummy that he has been after him since day 1?
What's with the late day 2 vote switch by wave? I mean he could pressure mordek without voting for him.
What's with OWB's jump on mordek as well?
How did the mordek get three quick votes in the span of 1 hour?
I agreed with Wave's post that some of his posts were suspicious and I wanted to get him more active, which worked.
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On October 16 2014 04:39 WaveofShadow wrote:Eh, I don't think people understand the meaning or use of a pressure vote. Oh well. ##unvoteVote/read on mordek was never real tbh, but I wanted to see who I could make do stuff. Only person to jump was owb, though that's pretty interesting sine he's been doing it alllllllll game. Show nested quote +On October 16 2014 04:02 onlywonderboy wrote:On October 16 2014 03:52 jcarlsoniv wrote:On October 16 2014 03:34 Alaric wrote:Soniv:+ Show Spoiler +About the key thing, this is how I view it (from reading today's filters only):
- before Ghandi switched and I voted, it was 6-5 for you. A tie would be against Ghandi I think, haven't checked hard, but iirc owb has the oldest post, and he isn't likely to switch, so for you to die people needed to switch. ComaDose certainly won't because he seems convinced that killing Ghandi will somehow clear him (and I think however Ghandi flips there are strong arguments against him either way, part of why I don't think lynching Ghandi will produce much), Cixah and ketchup don't look like they would either (ketchup offered a hand but I dunno how firm he is).
That means that Wave, because he tends to be listened to, and because he's one of the rare people not completely set yet, has the power to either force a tie or break it (even more so had he known I'd vote against you, that was 6-6 but Ghandi switched while I typed).
As for lynching you, sure there's a risk you'll flip green.
But not only do I think it's a tiny risk, we also stand to gain much more from your flipping (whether red or green, already said I'm coming for Asmo if you flip green myself) than Ghandi's. Both your posting has been a bit poor today, but I could easily attribute that to both of you being in a kinda deadlock for more of the day; and if given more liberty, I'm much more afraid of you leading us astray than I'd be of Ghandi. Even if he's scum he doesn't push us toward wrong lynches (that pretty much everyone ignores him doesn't help).
As of now we can't know which one of you is red, or if you aren't even both red (I don't see it as likely but it's not impossible), but I'm pretty damn sure one of you has to be scum, and your flip will give us more stuff to catch the remaining 2-3.
Add to that that I won't be around for the deadline in case of last minute shenanigans/twist (if you want to claim do it in the next 4 hours), and that I didn't think the situation could change (I'll admit I'm wrong, the new mordek wagon proved that with a perfect timing, uh), and I didn't see the point to fish for "maybe scum" instead of "very probably scum + info on the others".
If you give me a better lynch? I'll bow, and I'll switch to that. But my reasoning was (and still is, unless twists like a mordek slip or something) that it's between Ghandi and you tonight, and that you are the "better" lynch. I'm so confused how you think my posting has been bad today. You had a town read on me D1, and my posting was so much worse D1, and I'm happy to be the first to admit that. Once again, I'm feeling like my entire play today has been largely ignored. I have tried to hand you guys a better lynch, and it was completely passed off as everyone giving Req a pass for being Req. I also now believe that Jeff is scum (something I did not think was true D1), and I've tried to push him as well. Is this going to be the theme of the game? Every day it's going to be Jeff vs. someone that ends up flipping town, only to continue it on the next day? You think you're going to get information from my flip, but all you'll find out is how god damn wrong you've been and how much time you've all wasted. On October 16 2014 03:31 mordek wrote:
I like how Soniv dodged the claim or your getting lynched questions too. Admittedly he could be in meetings but let's not forget. ? What did I dodge? I can get behind what Soniv is saying here. I've already said I think he's played better than Jeff during Day 2 so between the two I'm still going to vote Jeff. In fact ##Unvote
##Vote GhandiEAGLE
The Jeff flip will give us insight into Soniv's alignment and we can decide whether or not we trust him from there. If they are both mafia it would be a pretty masterful bus. This is pretty untrue. ketchup, what do you think? Who should it be today?
That it won't give us insight or that the bus would be a pretty good scum play?
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