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On October 15 2014 21:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:Again. There was three prime claims and a parity cop claim. Every fucking townie "knows" one of the claims is scum because THAT'S HOW IT IS!!!! Why is voting for the more unreasonable claim scummy but not voting not scummy as you are saying (regarding geript, kush and CR)? You are turning the situation upside town. Assuming you are town you should SUSPECT the people who doubted there is mafia in you/Hopeless. Not the people who say "lol this claim is way more scummier and one of the dudes is mafia anyways". I still can't understand why you would even remotely think mafia!Hopeless would shoot prime!DP ever on N1. There is literally zero reason to do so, if Hopeless was mafia they would NEVER EVER shoot DP because DP is the ONLY backup lynch for them if someone claims a power role (which mafia cannot know exists / not). That seems to be the ONLY purpose for your fakeclaim, and the reason is retarded. You also had the MOST reason to shoot DarthPunk on N1. That is a fact and it definitely does not make you look any better. And this: Show nested quote +3) Why is sqrt's post @ D2 start good? Show me the good things about that post because i think it's terrible and contradicting itself.
It was retarded, Rayn. I've admitted it. I just wanted to give it a try.
I've re read it and I don't think it's good anymore. I'm not sure if I posted it here.
I thought it was good because it looked similar to one of his posts in the game I've brought.
But after I reread it, I just realised that the did a comprehensive read on everyone except Damdred, who whe just stated "Damdred has been pushing geript" and "I have no idea on ritoky"
Like... really? "Damdred has been pushing geript"? LOLOLOL
Also, he scumreads CR but votes on hopeless based on only the math thing I've brought. I didn't even claim yet. So, after re reading it, I think it's terrible
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So where is your head at atm?
Who is mafia?
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.: Case on Damdred
Damdred mostly spend his filter talking about me. His filter is little compared to his previous townplays.
I know he was traveling but he came back at October 13. There was an ongoing game where he had 3 filter pages of gameplay on October 13. Here, he has half. He only comes to the thread when called to.
Check this post:
On October 14 2014 02:32 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2014 02:28 VisceraEyes wrote:
Damdred why did you spend like 4 posts of real time trying to clarify whether or not GB "dodged" when you don't know what your own read on GB is? If it is to clarify Hopeless' intentions or whatever, what is your read on Hopeless? I think I have my read on GB for right now thank you. I spent those posts talking about the dodge because I was asked about it and to clarify my earlier comments, it took that long because of semantics. Read on hopeless is that he seems to be contributing to the thread and giving his thoughts, hes claiming the named blue role that has no powers and nobody is counter claiming him or claiming with him. Its highly likely that he is town.
Ok, at the start of the game, he said I have a clear town tell and I know he can read me well.
He said there that he already has a read on me. But does not share with thread. WHY? By that time, I was the main wagon. If he has a read on me, why not pushing me further or defending me? I inquired him. He answered this:
On October 14 2014 13:53 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2014 13:34 GlowingBear wrote:On October 12 2014 06:30 Damdred wrote:
Because until GB does his town tell that he doesn't realize he does he might be scum or not drunk enough yet Then On October 14 2014 02:32 Damdred wrote:On October 14 2014 02:28 VisceraEyes wrote:
Damdred why did you spend like 4 posts of real time trying to clarify whether or not GB "dodged" when you don't know what your own read on GB is? If it is to clarify Hopeless' intentions or whatever, what is your read on Hopeless? I think I have my read on GB for right now thank you. I spent those posts talking about the dodge because I was asked about it and to clarify my earlier comments, it took that long because of semantics. Read on hopeless is that he seems to be contributing to the thread and giving his thoughts, hes claiming the named blue role that has no powers and nobody is counter claiming him or claiming with him. Its highly likely that he is town. Damdred, day one is over and you haven't told us if I had done my town tell. Moreover, you said you had a read on me but didn't share it with us. 1) Why aren't you sharing it with us? 2) If you have a scum read on me, why weren't you pushing me? 3) if you have a town read on me, why weren't you fighting my wagon? Your filter is mostly focused on me. You've spent most of your game busy with me. But then you follow the wagon that was being built: On October 14 2014 04:17 Damdred wrote:
Geript, why put in that much work on Oats and not vote him? It seems like the only reason that you are voting me is some twisted meta read that is invalidated in the same game that we were playing and the game I posted.
This feels like you are trying to look towny and trying to find a good mislynch to me. Soft pushing oats to see if it picks up traction while hardpushing me for the easy mislynch today
##Vote Geript How did you suddenly read geript as mafia here? Is that how you see him now? I'm sold on Geript being mafia right now, all his points about me (while it could be said are omgus) they do not line up. Rayn picked a few a part pretty good with my thought pattern, and explained it pretty well. And i'm documented in the thread for reading him scum there, and some reasons for it. 1) I am not sharing my read with you because I wasn't asked and i was in a little bit of a hurry 2) I haven't been pushing you because im pretty sure you aren't scum presently 3) You seemed to do a pretty decent job defending yourself, your filter was big enough where you shouldn't of been the lynch and there was plenty of sentiment to move away from you. So not sure what I was defending you against. I have been tied up with you in my limited thread time, i should be free more tomorrow
(1) What a shitty excuse. He didn't share a read on me because HE WASN'T ASKED? He needs to step up in the game for his own if he is town, not when he is asked to. He could be in a hurry, yes, but he posted here in the thread. He just posted "I have my read on GB". He could've posted "I have my read on GB and he is town". Hurry is not an excuse. He could simply try to dismantle my wagon if the thought I was town or push me if he thought I was scum. He didn't
(2) He hasn't being defending me either. Nobody knew exactly what he thought of me.
(3) I was being shitted on THE WHOLE GAME. So he was ok that the discussion was going on and on and on without trying to come to the thread and save, at least, precious time?
Ok, checking his filter, he mostly posts answers to me and regarding my scum read on him, and on geript. He is scumreading geript solely for the meta thing. There isn't another single argument to scumread geript on his filter, and not even another scum read. Just geript. And me, now.
When the thread was heating up after I fake claimed, this is what Damdred posted:
On October 15 2014 07:22 Damdred wrote:
Glowing did you bread from cop?
Why check hopeless here?
But after so many interactions, he only came back to say this:
On October 15 2014 10:35 Damdred wrote:
GB argument is this about me,
Damdred is not here to defend himself or to react to situations therefore he is mafia! Damdreds activity on another game is double what it was that day, even though we were in different phases in the cycle and nobody was talking in this game but me and he answered every question I asked him. He was also up for lynch there and was trying to get his final reads out.
Ritoky did the same BS in season of a witch, activity does not make me mafia or town. Look in season compare it to mission it was about the same time going on one i was way less active and town one i was way more active and mafia. And this is completely retarded that i'm having to defend myself based on activity and a bad meta read from people. Like this isn't even scum hunting its just trying to sound like you are. Good god
Why didn't participate in the interactions? Why did he only come back to defend himself against my read on him?
This is what I'm talking about Damdred. It is not only because he is lurking. It's his overall gameplay. He is always defending and hardly scumhunting.
So, reasons why I feel Damdred is scum:
A) His activity is a lot higher when he is town, even when he was traveling
B) He is not analysing possibilities. He has been focusing on voting geript since the beginning of the game. He even did drop his vote on geript and laid back on Day1, when oats was about to get mislynched.
C) He is not sharing reads with the thread or clearly scumhunting, he only comes to the thread when someones cites his name
D) He has been overly defensive.
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On October 15 2014 21:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So where is your head at atm?
Who is mafia?
I was building the case on Damdred. Even after his responses, I'm positive he is mafia.
You didn't give me your insight regarding the geript's slip.
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I don't understand what geript is talking about there. Maybe he can explain it.
So you think Damdred is mafai even though he shares your other scumreads?
Like is he bussing his whole team?
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I don't think the case on Damdred is good.
At least is way fucking worse than a guy sheeping his scumreads onto another lynch when the other lynch targets are his top scumreads....
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On October 15 2014 21:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I don't think the case on Damdred is good.
At least is way fucking worse than a guy sheeping his scumreads onto another lynch when the other lynch targets are his top scumreads....
I don't know, Rayn. I still have sqrt as one of my top scum reads now.
I find odd that you completely ignored the thing on geript.
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I find it odd that you have nothing to say about ritoky and my case on him.
Okay let's go through your case on Damdred.
This is what I'm talking about Damdred. It is not only because he is lurking. It's his overall gameplay. He is always defending and hardly scumhunting. (i'll call this point X)
So, reasons why I feel Damdred is scum:
A) His activity is a lot higher when he is town, even when he was traveling
B) He is not analysing possibilities. He has been focusing on voting geript since the beginning of the game. He even did drop his vote on geript and laid back on Day1, when oats was about to get mislynched.
C) He is not sharing reads with the thread or clearly scumhunting, he only comes to the thread when someones cites his name
D) He has been overly defensive.
X) This is simply just not true.
A) Incorrect. For example in Season of the witch mafia at this point of the game Damdred had 3 pages of filter. You can't just pick one game where he happened to post more than in this one and call him mafia for it.
B) What fucking possibilities? If he thinks geript is mafia why should he do something else than lay out why he thinks geript is mafia and vote for him? Can you show me a town game where Damdred actively pushes lynches and continuously interacts with the thread because i cannot remember one (which is why i have always thought he is mafia early on).
C) Yes he is, you just can't read between the lines or for some reason refuse to do so.
D) How has he been overly defensive? Being defensive is not a scum trait because when someone calls you mafia of course you defend yourself regardless of your affiliation. It's funny you say this because your filter consists mostly of... defending yourself... Are you also being overly defensive?
All in all your case is based on things that do not hold water or things that are related on meta - except that they really are not related to Damdred's meta because they are wrong.
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Like the meta part of your case on Damdred is exactly the same there was in geript's case on D1 which you called...
On October 14 2014 23:15 GlowingBear wrote:
I already understand his meta read on you was bad. Yes, it was bad. It was contradictory.
sick change of mind!!!
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On October 15 2014 22:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:I find it odd that you have nothing to say about ritoky and my case on him. Okay let's go through your case on Damdred. Show nested quote +This is what I'm talking about Damdred. It is not only because he is lurking. It's his overall gameplay. He is always defending and hardly scumhunting. (i'll call this point X)
So, reasons why I feel Damdred is scum:
A) His activity is a lot higher when he is town, even when he was traveling
B) He is not analysing possibilities. He has been focusing on voting geript since the beginning of the game. He even did drop his vote on geript and laid back on Day1, when oats was about to get mislynched.
C) He is not sharing reads with the thread or clearly scumhunting, he only comes to the thread when someones cites his name
D) He has been overly defensive. X) This is simply just not true. A) Incorrect. For example in Season of the witch mafia at this point of the game Damdred had 3 pages of filter. You can't just pick one game where he happened to post more than in this one and call him mafia for it. B) What fucking possibilities? If he thinks geript is mafia why should he do something else than lay out why he thinks geript is mafia and vote for him? Can you show me a town game where Damdred actively pushes lynches and continuously interacts with the thread because i cannot remember one (which is why i have always thought he is mafia early on). C) Yes he is, you just can't read between the lines or for some reason refuse to do so. D) How has he been overly defensive? Being defensive is not a scum trait because when someone calls you mafia of course you defend yourself regardless of your affiliation. It's funny you say this because your filter consists mostly of... defending yourself... Are you also being overly defensive? All in all your case is based on things that do not hold water or things that are related on meta - except that they really are not related to Damdred's meta because they are wrong.
Game he is town:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/466211-tl-mafia-lxviii-fanfic-crossover-edition?user=Damdred&page=3
Look at how he is much more involved in interactions than he is in this game.
Game he is mafia:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/462291-showdown-mafia?user=Damdred&page=2
Look at his filter size, his not so interactive behaviour, how he repeatedly talks about obi and palmar. Mostly, look at how he is not interacting much. Pretty similar to this game. He just does talk a lot more about other options in that game. But his activity and interaction are similar to this one game.
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On October 15 2014 22:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:Like the meta part of your case on Damdred is exactly the same there was in geript's case on D1 which you called... Show nested quote +On October 14 2014 23:15 GlowingBear wrote:
I already understand his meta read on you was bad. Yes, it was bad. It was contradictory. sick change of mind!!!
What in posting I much more comprehensive than what geript posted.
Also, the suspicious part of geripts analysis on damdreds meta is that he said he doesn't know how to read damdred but is confident that damdred is mafia for meta reasons.
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So wait what happened to lynching one of gb or hopeless?
Refrain from yelling at me because there will be more content later tonight.
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DON'T TALK ABOUT THE ACTIVITY WHEN I ALREADY DEBUNKED YOUR ARGUMENT!!! If you do that once more i will default my vote on you forever!
This game is much more similar to his town game. He actually has a thought process that can be followed throughout the game and it follows some line of logic (regardless of if it's good or bad). Whereas mafia he focuses on things here and there and his play is all over the place (i am talking about D1's in those games -- because you can't compare D1 from some game and D5 from some other game, that's just retarded).
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On October 15 2014 22:32 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2014 22:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:Like the meta part of your case on Damdred is exactly the same there was in geript's case on D1 which you called... On October 14 2014 23:15 GlowingBear wrote:
I already understand his meta read on you was bad. Yes, it was bad. It was contradictory. sick change of mind!!! What in posting I much more comprehensive than what geript posted. Also, the suspicious part of geripts analysis on damdreds meta is that he said he doesn't know how to read damdred but is confident that damdred is mafia for meta reasons.
So why are Damdred and geript bussing each other?
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EBWOP:
On October 15 2014 22:32 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2014 22:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:Like the meta part of your case on Damdred is exactly the same there was in geript's case on D1 which you called... On October 14 2014 23:15 GlowingBear wrote:
I already understand his meta read on you was bad. Yes, it was bad. It was contradictory. sick change of mind!!! What in posting I much more comprehensive than what geript posted. Also, the suspicious part of geripts analysis on damdreds meta is that he said he doesn't know how to read damdred but is confident that damdred is mafia for meta reasons.
So why are Damdred and geript bussing each other with "equally shitty cases"?
Isn't that pretty retarded thing to do as mafia?
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On October 15 2014 22:32 kushm4sta wrote:
So wait what happened to lynching one of gb or hopeless?
Refrain from yelling at me because there will be more content later tonight.
GlowingBear unclaimed and Hopeless is and has always been town since his claim.
Why did you vote for Hopeless and whatcha gonna do now?
Also answer me on this:
On October 15 2014 20:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:kushmasta: World Heavyweight Championship mafia III (Town Vanilla Killed Night 1): one of his end of night 1 posts: + Show Spoiler +On August 07 2014 07:45 kushm4sta wrote:Artanis/OneguNot gonna put a lot of effort into this one cause I can't really be bothered to. Show nested quote +On August 05 2014 21:49 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
It's clear what my position is; Vivax, Poof, and Haru are all legitimate lynches for me. Anyone who doesn't know that isn't reading the thread. Why are you focussing on this unimportant issue rather than the actual reads? K so let's look at the reasons behind each of these scumreads. Vivax and poofter are scum because he doesn't know how they are reading him. Know who cares how people read them? scum. Overall bad reasons with no specifics. + Show Spoiler +On August 05 2014 21:41 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2014 21:35 kushm4sta wrote:
what does that excuse even mean, artanis? You suddenly got retarded? You don't have time? You aren't motivated? I suddenly got retarded seems to be accurate. The lack of motivation follows from said realization. My opinions pretty much follow popular opinion other than on myself. Vivax' interaction with me felt weird, just answering me when I asked a question and when I returned to the thread he just mentioned how I come back when summoned. I have no idea what his read on me is which is strange when I'm one of the biggest cases in the game. Poof's return to the thread and his reads make no sense to me. I also have no idea how he thinks of me and have no idea how he hasn't commented on that. Here's his case on haru. 3 neatly laid out reasons, all of them bad and easy for scum to make. The second is especially bad. Haru didn't realize artanis was joking with his wos townread so that makes him scum? + Show Spoiler +On August 05 2014 21:54 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I'd actually go with Haru. I'm not sure if he behaves this way as scum and that one post does give me pause, but (1) the fact that I'm 4th on his kill list yet the one with his vote, (2)the way he referred to my townread on Wave despite being very clear in why it was and (3)the stuff HF mentioned about his reads all coming from stuff outside the game rather than the game itself make me the most confident in him. Enumeration mine. ~~~ Here is some later, slightly different reasoning behind the Haru lynch. Show nested quote +On August 06 2014 06:15 Artanis[Xp] wrote:- Deflecting something Marv said, bringing up an awkward example where he asks how strong Marv's townreads are compared to me super townreading Wave (which I explained was a joke in the string of posts where he initially read it)
- List posts after saying he wouldn't bring up weak list posts on D1 as town because he doesn't view it as necessary.
- Hypocritical in how he accuses other people of unsubstantiated reads when he does the same himself.
- In the start, talking mostly about things outside of the game (HF has touched on this plenty)
1 "deflecting" lol. Later he expands with this: Show nested quote +1. Because it was phrased in a completely awkward way. It was basically dragged along, and then it turned out he hadn't even read it properly. Why would you bring up something that isn't even related when you haven't even read the context?
Awkward phrasing is a scummy reason to scumread someone. 2 and 3 are exactly the same point pretty much. Haru only wrote the list because he was bugged about it, and kind of as a joke because he said he hated lists. So that is a misrepresentation. ~~~ Show nested quote +On August 05 2014 21:27 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
That would require my brain to work, which at the moment seems to not be the case. This is not an excuse town artanis would make. It's not like he didn't have time to play either. Twice he mentioned how we are bad at banter. He had time to banter but didn't have time to scumhunt? Showdown Mafia (Town Vanilla Lynched Day 2): one of his end of night 1 posts: + Show Spoiler +On August 01 2014 13:16 kushm4sta wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2014 10:54 ritoky wrote:On August 01 2014 10:50 kushm4sta wrote:
or if you go for the hero shots aka not among the commonly accepted list of potential scum, I'm also going to be pissed. excluding yourself and palmar, who do you feel is off limits for some sploding? and why? um i'd rather do it the other way around because it's easier yamato77 sinani206 fuba MysteryMeat1 Damdred pick from that list. As for why, I've already gone into why I think damdred is scummy. Everyone else is inactive so there aren't really reasons apart from that why they could be scum.
That would be the last two towngames from the database. You do not give reads during the night kush? Can you point me out to a game where you in fact do NOT give reads during the night as town?
Why did you lie to me on N1?
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On October 15 2014 22:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:EBWOP: Show nested quote +On October 15 2014 22:32 GlowingBear wrote:On October 15 2014 22:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:Like the meta part of your case on Damdred is exactly the same there was in geript's case on D1 which you called... On October 14 2014 23:15 GlowingBear wrote:
I already understand his meta read on you was bad. Yes, it was bad. It was contradictory. sick change of mind!!! What in posting I much more comprehensive than what geript posted. Also, the suspicious part of geripts analysis on damdreds meta is that he said he doesn't know how to read damdred but is confident that damdred is mafia for meta reasons. So why are Damdred and geript bussing each other with "equally shitty cases"? Isn't that pretty retarded thing to do as mafia?
Hmm. Well, yes.
Okay, I may need more time to reevaluate this.
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GlowingBear i want your thoughts on ritoky and kush.
Ignore your claim/unclaim thing because i don't think you can gather any alignment indicative things from that as people calling out scummy stuff cannot possibly be scummy.....
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On October 15 2014 22:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:
GlowingBear i want your thoughts on ritoky and kush.
Ignore your claim/unclaim thing because i don't think you can gather any alignment indicative things from that as people calling out scummy stuff cannot possibly be scummy.....
I don't know about kush... His play as town is also not caring much... You can see mission mini mafia, he just placed a vote on Vivax when I've brought a lot of reasons and went full afk. I'm afraid to lynch him today.
Ritoky, on the other side, wasn't playing good. I have yet to read his latest posts with a little bit more of attention. But I don't have good vibes from him.
Rayn, we agree on sqrt. What do you think of lunching him today?
Also, please, check that post from geript. Try to understand it inside the context it was posted. I want your insight.
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1) I'm scum reading Kush as well as Geript at this point, mostly its some meta reasons and some inconsistencies in his play.
2) I'm scum reading geript for the reasons i've already posted
Also I take offense to you using showdown 2, the situation is so totally different i was by myself as scum basically from d1 and i just afk cruised my way to victory.
Also look at you now, even though i'm your top scum read and you just belted out this huge case you are pushing sqr to see if you can get support for that lynch like really gb?
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