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On September 10 2014 15:15 slOosh wrote:Oh and so you have something to consider while waiting, for the Oats question, it's balanced by "what has LoneMeow done this game"? While reading context I came across this post Show nested quote +On September 09 2014 16:09 LoneMeow wrote:On September 09 2014 15:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 09 2014 15:54 LoneMeow wrote:On September 09 2014 12:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 08 2014 21:42 LoneMeow wrote:raynpelikoneetWhile I'd agree he's not playing as he usually does, I don't see that being alignment indicative. I don't have a solid read on him but I do like this post for him being town: On September 08 2014 13:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
the problem with this game is the following.
there were four people who were considered (usually) town leaders. me koshi geript and yamato.
geript people do not trust on anyways, no matter what he says.
i was not around for the most of the time.
koshi didn't do shit - i think he could have even be scum based purely on that.
yamato didn't get anything done.
That leaves Koshi and yamato. I think there is one mafia between them because i am conflicted about the fact that the d1 was shit. yes it really was shit. you guys couldnt even get a fucking lynch done without me and thats terrible. however yamato looks town so id put my bets on koshi being mafia. In fact the point about Koshi is a very good one and I think Koshi was a decent lynch. So I'll say leaning town. A little. + Show Spoiler +On September 08 2014 13:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Also in 36h starts my vacation and then i'll play. He'd never say this as scum - is what I'd want to believe. LoneMeow why did you make this post? Because you were one of the focal points for D1. I thought it would be useful if I commented you since you were the leading wagon. But i am not the leading wagon on D2. You should have said what you have on D1 when it was relevant. You didn't even comment on me in any meaningful way on D1 when it actually WAS relevant, and now when it isn't you do. And i do wanna know why you think it's relevant now? Also what's your take on Sloosh and Sylencia? You're right that I should've said it on D1, unfortunately that was not possible. Make whatever you want of that. My take on slOosh has not changed, he's still my top scum read.Sylencia is quite scummy, especially for calling slOosh scum but not doing anything about it. All the while pushing geript who doesn't seem likely to get lynched right now. I'm still his top scum read, meaning he has read me scum for quite some time, but he himself has done little to get me lynched. Then he accuses Sylencia for failing to do anything. Hypocrisy. Essentially I find LoneMeow more problematic than Oats.
I agree with this. Oats ir really conflicting because my read on him depends on Koshi's & LM's alignments.
I do not want to lynch Oats today. We need to have more info because it kinda makes sense for him to do what he has done as either alignment. But i STILL would expect him to be more active and "all over the place". Read Hapa's post on Oats in Palmar's minigame obs QT:
http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/GVphGjYbxc3
post #5. that meta read is really spot on and i am seeing the same things in this game.
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LM is really hard to read because he just doesn't post enough for anyone to get a solid read on him.
I think he is town because what he says makes sense from town perspective except for the throwaway read on me at the start of D2.
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On September 04 2014 23:15 LoneMeow wrote:
Also, at the moment I have to disagree with anyone calling gobbledydook scum, I've read his recent games and the vibe I get from how he's been posting here is towny.
I really like this post. People were calling gobble mafia at this point and i do not think scum!LM would defend a townie who's been called scum by basically everyone (at least noone was calling him town).
There is one thing i am waiting from LM which will affect my read on him in a way or another.
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From what I recall from Oats' filter (without reading) is that he really really wanted Koshi dead, and really really wants LM dead, and has done a couple of sidesteps here and there questioning why people don't play "his style" of mafia, which comes off to me as pretty town. And fwiw, Robik had Oats as strong town but I don't know how much stock you put into that.
I've read the interaction with the Syl claim and what I've concluded is thus:
Both geript and ritoky want to lynch Syl through the claim. Now there's a towny concern here and a scummy motive. The towny concern is that Syl is mafia, he gets the real acolyte to claim. Mafia syl gets lynched, but then mafia hit acolyte and learn his role with necromancer. I think the confusion here is how the setup works, in that is the inquisitor role revealed to necromancer or not.
This is what I'm feeling ritoky's desire to lynch Syl comes from. A townie concern that it is not a simple 1 for 1, but more like a 3 for 2 or something like that.
Geript on the other hand wants to lynch through the claim because he finds it hard to believe that anyone would claim period. Ehh I'm gonna have to check his treatment of gobble real quick.
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If that's the concern ritoky is just stupid.
geript already knows this because he has played this setup before.
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For the record you will not learn anything if you soupkill someone.
You already "know" the person's role. That's why the role says "you will learn the role of the mafia witch kill".
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Huh. Ok. Yea I think a lot of why this game is so whack is because it's such a new concept to a lot of us so our approach may not be the best.
So as for geript, here's his treatment of gobble's matryr claim D1
On September 06 2014 13:46 geript wrote:
I really hope there's a counterclaim. Not a good time to claim. Not a good reason to claim.
On September 06 2014 13:47 geript wrote:
I'm going to assume he's bad town until there's a counter claim. The martyr should obviously counter here.
And here's his treatment of Syl's acolyte claim D2
On September 09 2014 17:38 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2014 17:10 Sylencia wrote:
Actually on second thought I wouldn't bother revealing if I was to get lynched Nope. Now you claim. There's only a handful of roles that could get you into considering claiming prelynch. Claim or die. It's that simple.
On September 09 2014 18:34 geript wrote:
Or you're not Sylencia. Point is. There's no role he could have that he'd consider claiming period. Like there's no point.
As inquisitor he'd try to stay alive much more before wanting to claim.
Acolyte isn't a role you ever claim.
As Judge he'd do his best to get a no lynch.
As Exorcist he'd know that there's not a point to claim.
Oracle doesn't claim without information of 2 and even then it'd be a bad idea in this situation.
Grander doesn't need to claim.
Pope has no point claiming now.
Crusader... Why claim here or ever?
Wraith has no reason to ever claim.
So again what's his reason as town to claim?
So a question is how different are the two claims? I could see matryr being a confirming level above in that he will die the next night guaranteeing the 1 for 1 trade without needing a lynch whereas the acolyte has a trade where ....
Yea I don't see how we lynch into Syl if un cced ... it is just a 1 for 1 right?
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Like the only concern I could see someone having is the one I think ritoky has, (unless he is acolyte and trying to not claim outright but I doubt it based off Syl's behaviour), where it isn't a clean cut 1 for 1. Like Robik and Oats immediately understood. Yea I think I'm agreeing with you that there is no reason to try to continue to lynch Syl.
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actually it is 2-1 (so ritoky is half right) unless mafia hit gobbly.
that's why nerfing the martyr role made it basically a mafia rolecop... 
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Generally the martyr role is the only one that can claim on D1 and there are no downsides (i mean even if they are not certainly getting lynched otherwise) as it is supposed to work.
I had no idea Palmar nerfed the role.
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Anyways we are currently @ 7-3 or 8-2.
Assuming Koshi is mafia there are no worries.
Assuming Koshi is town we are in lylo tomorrow if we lynch town today.
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Like:
Now i am pretty convinced you are town Sloosh.
Sylencia is town
ritoky is town
i am pretty sure yamato is town
i'll yolo and say Damdred is town just because of his reaction to me when i called him scum.
that leaves me geript, Oats, Haru, LM.
At least 2 mafia there (because i am pretty sure robert was town).
I am PRETTY sure we just win the game if we just lynch everyone in that pool. 
geript calls Haru and Sylencia (rofl) mafia.
Oats calls Haru and LM (and you) mafia.
LM calls Damdred and you mafia.
I have no idea who Haru thinks is mafia.
I guess we need to read Haru next.
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On September 10 2014 14:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Yeah geript would have defended me if he was town and had a townread on me on D1 end.
##unvote
##vote: geript
Perhaps you missed where I did.
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Yea I dunno. geript says the line "what's his reason as town to claim?" which throws me off since we just saw goobley claim D1. Like, in one sense yes claiming to defend yourself isn't the best strategy, but it's lacking that geript doesn't consider that town can still do "not best strategies". Added is your point of "it's all moot Syl claimed we don't have a cc we shouldn't lynch him". I still don't get the math 2-1 but it could just be because I'm super tired and having trouble typing / thinkign now.
Uhh ... shoot.
ok I need to do this after sleep.
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Oh Haru had that townie post about geript's D1 (although imo it tells me more about Haru's alignment than geript's).
Let's lynch geript, LM, Oats in that order!
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On September 10 2014 15:57 slOosh wrote:
Added is your point of "it's all moot Syl claimed we don't have a cc we shouldn't lynch him". I still don't get the math 2-1 but it could just be because I'm super tired and having trouble typing / thinkign now.
MAfia already knows one living player's role as per martyr sacrificing themselves on N1.
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On September 10 2014 15:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2014 23:15 LoneMeow wrote:
Also, at the moment I have to disagree with anyone calling gobbledydook scum, I've read his recent games and the vibe I get from how he's been posting here is towny. I really like this post. People were calling gobble mafia at this point and i do not think scum!LM would defend a townie who's been called scum by basically everyone (at least noone was calling him town). There is one thing i am waiting from LM which will affect my read on him in a way or another.
Hunh? Do you mean this in specific to LM? Like scum defend townreads all the time even when the person is getting mass scumread.
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ANYONE WHO IS GETTING LYNCHED TODAY CANNOT CLAIM UNLESS YOU ARE GRANDIER!
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On September 10 2014 15:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:Like: Now i am pretty convinced you are town Sloosh. Sylencia is town ritoky is town i am pretty sure yamato is town i'll yolo and say Damdred is town just because of his reaction to me when i called him scum. that leaves me geript, Oats, Haru, LM. At least 2 mafia there (because i am pretty sure robert was town). I am PRETTY sure we just win the game if we just lynch everyone in that pool. geript calls Haru and Sylencia (rofl) mafia. Oats calls Haru and LM (and you) mafia. LM calls Damdred and you mafia. I have no idea who Haru thinks is mafia. I guess we need to read Haru next.
geript which part of this post you do not agree with (excluding my read on you)?
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