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Vivax:
Repeatedly hangs onto one of Kita's posts, where he said that my long catchup posts might be red if I continue them.
On September 02 2014 10:42 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +Templar's long post wasn't all that interesting, but I won't fault him for sharing thoughts. It will be important to see if he continues to share thoughts rather than making disconnected catch up posts.
Also kita I want a followup to this now. Disconnected catch up post sounds like something you would scumread him for and I don't like how you willingly put a caveat in here. I wanna talk about templars post some mored.
On September 02 2014 11:14 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2014 11:10 kitaman27 wrote:On September 02 2014 10:42 Vivax wrote:Templar's long post wasn't all that interesting, but I won't fault him for sharing thoughts. It will be important to see if he continues to share thoughts rather than making disconnected catch up posts.
Also kita I want a followup to this now. Disconnected catch up post sounds like something you would scumread him for and I don't like how you willingly put a caveat in here. I wanna talk about templars post some more. It would be a scum read if he does this repeatedly. It's too early to go after that for a single post. If he starts interacting with the thread, then I'm not as concerned. Who do you find worse, 3d12 or batsnack? 3d12 for his awkward entrance so far. I would like to discuss Templars post more though. Let's say you need to appear like contributing, that post is one thing I would see scum starting with. They go through the thread commenting on various issues (instead of just thinking them through and getting straight to the point of what they find scummy without having to list a load of posts), when they're done, they look at what they commented on and base their entire read narrative off it. That's exactly the feeling I got from Templar's post and the feeling I get from you is that you're trying to shove it under a carpet after feeling the same.
On September 02 2014 11:30 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2014 11:23 kitaman27 wrote:On September 02 2014 11:14 Vivax wrote:
That's exactly the feeling I got from Templar's post and the feeling I get from you is that you're trying to shove it under a carpet after feeling the same. So you're saying that I uncovered a scummy post from my scum buddy templar, pointed it out, and then decided to minimize the severity by "shoving it under a carpet"? meh I called the post a disconnected catchup post because it was. I shared my displeasure about those type of posts, decided that it's not significant enough to push right now, and pushed templar in the direction to not do it again. You didn't seem displeased, you gave us a reason for you to not pursue it further. If you were displeased I'd expect you to be more confrontational than that, where you give yourself a reason to ignore it. Why bring it up at all if it's of no relevance for you afterwards? That's what I also don't understand from a town pov. I'd expect you to mention things you find worthwhile mentioning and if you mention that but don't apply it at all to your templar read cause apparently it doesn't say enough for you then it just looks like an issue you would find scummy usually, but here you play it down.
On September 03 2014 08:57 Vivax wrote:
You done goofed kita
Read templar again
On September 03 2014 08:59 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2014 11:10 kitaman27 wrote:On September 02 2014 10:42 Vivax wrote:Templar's long post wasn't all that interesting, but I won't fault him for sharing thoughts. It will be important to see if he continues to share thoughts rather than making disconnected catch up posts.
Also kita I want a followup to this now. Disconnected catch up post sounds like something you would scumread him for and I don't like how you willingly put a caveat in here. I wanna talk about templars post some more.
It would be a scum read if he does this repeatedly. It's too early to go after that for a single post. If he starts interacting with the thread, then I'm not as concerned. Who do you find worse, 3d12 or batsnack? Show nested quote +On September 03 2014 05:23 The_Templar wrote:I'm here again for another hour, as I am still working out kinks in my schedule. Sorry for being inconsistent about this. 3d12: On September 02 2014 09:06 3d12 wrote:Thanks Damdred, that was a good explanation. From my RL experience with Mafia, I've found it's usually good to have multiple options at the end of the day like you said, to be able to better piece together who is siding with whom in the long run. I'd say that's a defensible tactic to employ later on, but I'd agree that it serves no purpose in the first few days. Especially when we have no hint whatsoever as to what these missions are. From Templar's post, I think this stuck out to me the most:
And the missions are required for mafia… or they will die. I would say that's better for us anyway
He makes a good point. We're making a witch-hunt out of nothing right now. I think batsnacks is judging reactions and playing provocateur. He looks pretty town from where I'm standing, but I don't have all my chips on the table just yet.  I was initially a bit skeptical upon rereading this but 3d12 has not been too bad since then. He also gave the same read on ObiWan later (a move by kita which I seem to have messed with a bit). On September 02 2014 17:24 3d12 wrote:On September 02 2014 10:33 kitaman27 wrote:On September 02 2014 09:06 3d12 wrote:I think batsnacks is judging reactions and playing provocateur. He looks pretty town from where I'm standing, but I don't have all my chips on the table just yet. I see batsnacks voting templar after a large low quality post, but I don't see how you automatically come to this conclusion that his is town based on his vote and assume he is playing provocative. It makes me suspicious of you and I wonder if you may know he is town and are attempting to come up with an suggestion that explains his play without the information being there. On September 02 2014 03:16 Damdred wrote:
@3d when you return could you talk more about why you think bat is doing that (as in him being provocative etc) and why town bats would just do that and run out of the thread? Feels like you are giving him a pass on it to easily at this point, though I do not think it is beyond town bats to do it either. It wasn't who he voted for, it was how he voted and why. By casting a vote in a random direction, one can sit back and observe how people react to that vote. That's not typically Mafia behavior, though I will admit the long-winded post from earlier had me confused as well. All in all, it's a tough read; but if I had to imagine myself in his position, I wouldn't imagine he'd want to make such a big target out of himself on D1 if he were Mafia. Instead, I'll be focusing on the people using this event and the surrounding discussion to mask their contributions to the investigation at large. And currently exhibit A on my list is kushm4sta. Despite the awesomely understanding acceptance of my newbie ways, we haven't seen much from him aside from jumping on the batwagon and refuting Vivax -- who, in my opinion, is making the most sense out of anyone in this entire thread, myself included. Exhibit B is Micchan, who seems strangely quiet. I hope he hasn't gone AFK. This is a decent post, although I don't entirely agree with it. Mafia would love an excuse or some way to cause chaos and force a mislynch so making a weird off topic post (that hopefully makes them a null read) and random voting could work (although, either possibility is very odd). He didn't really explain his thoughts on vivax/kush very well in this post. But, he did try to clarify his opinions in his next post. On September 03 2014 01:04 3d12 wrote:On September 02 2014 22:26 kushm4sta wrote:On September 02 2014 17:24 3d12 wrote:
And currently exhibit A on my list is kushm4sta. Despite the awesomely understanding acceptance of my newbie ways, we haven't seen much from him aside from jumping on the batwagon and refuting Vivax -- who, in my opinion, is making the most sense out of anyone in this entire thread, myself included. Exhibit B is Micchan, who seems strangely quiet. I hope he hasn't gone AFK. So why am I scum? "jumping on the bandwagon?" not really a bandwagon since there are only two people voting for batsnacks, and I didn't really jump on it cause I was the first vote. "refuting vivax" Why are my refutations scummy? What has vivax said that makes sense? You're right, I thought I saw a third vote for batsnacks. Sorry. I wish there was a neater way to find the current vote count. Is there a program or something that I could use to loop through the thread and count the votes? As for refuting Vivax, I said that because Vivax is the one that I'm getting the most positive read from so far. He's pointed out very good inconsistency between Templar and kita, and even though Templar has made a few good posts to better explain his views, kita's evasiveness is something to be observed more closely, I think. On September 02 2014 22:12 kitaman27 wrote:On September 02 2014 17:24 3d12 wrote:
And currently exhibit A on my list is kushm4sta. Despite the awesomely understanding acceptance of my newbie ways, we haven't seen much from him aside from jumping on the batwagon and refuting Vivax -- who, in my opinion, is making the most sense out of anyone in this entire thread, myself included. Exhibit B is Micchan, who seems strangely quiet. I hope he hasn't gone AFK. How do you feel about obi and poofter so far? Obi is a bit of a mystery, but is starting to look more pink to me. The fact that he was so willing to vote out bat for what was likely a provocation post makes me question his motives, but the fact that he instantly switched his view to Templar after receiving some pressure is a bit more fishy. More data is needed, but the radar is definitely reading slightly pink. Poofter seems alright though; his posts are generally low-content, but unless we revisit the idea of missions involving post count, that's not enough for me to read him as scum. On September 02 2014 17:54 Oatsmaster wrote:
just saw 3d's post, calls out micchan for being quiet, doesnt call me out for not posting at all. Clearly sheeping someone's previous sentiment.
Or anticipating your mod-kill due to 12 hours without post.  Welcome to the game. (And my suspect list, lol) Care to share any opinion on Templar or mderg? I don't like this post, but at least he's giving reasoning on his thoughts on Obi and Poofter. His read on Oatsmaster is very odd if he actually suspects him. (BTW the posting rule is 1 post/1 vote per day/night cycle not 12 hours) On September 03 2014 01:30 3d12 wrote:On September 03 2014 01:11 Damdred wrote:
Actually 3d, why are you ignoring bunnies right now? She has said a couple times that she would be happy to get you out of the game, what do you think of that? Why did you put off commenting on it? Not worth comment, imo. She said herself that her read on me is only a "gut read," and if people are happy with bandwagoning on a gut feeling to have me lynched, I'll happily /obs and laugh as the scum runs away with the game. This is a worthless post that only serves to claim town when he's been very serious all game. He should at least address bunnies, even if it's just to give a read. On September 03 2014 03:07 3d12 wrote:On September 03 2014 02:22 kitaman27 wrote:On September 03 2014 02:21 kitaman27 wrote:On September 02 2014 17:24 3d12 wrote:
Obi is a bit of a mystery, but is starting to look more pink to me. The fact that he was so willing to vote out bat for what was likely a provocation post makes me question his motives, but the fact that he instantly switched his view to Templar after receiving some pressure is a bit more fishy. More data is needed, but the radar is definitely reading slightly pink. On September 02 2014 17:24 3d12 wrote:
It wasn't who he voted for, it was how he voted and why. By casting a vote in a random direction, one can sit back and observe how people react to that vote. That's not typically Mafia behavior, though I will admit the long-winded post from earlier had me confused as well. All in all, it's a tough read; but if I had to imagine myself in his position, I wouldn't imagine he'd want to make such a big target out of himself on D1 if he were Mafia. On September 02 2014 04:43 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Reporting in.
##vote 27nb So why doesn't your logic that gives you a town read on bat, not apply to obi? Didn't he "cast a vote in a random direction"? You say bat wouldn't want to make a big target of himself as mafia by random voting, but obi would? This seems inconsistent to me. EBWOP If you'd asked me this 4 hours in, I'd have read Obi as green as I did bat. His opening vote was similarly provocative, and there was little reason to suspect. Since pushing to have bat plynched though, Obi has pointed fingers at two other parties and is acting much more defensive. I'm not voting yet, but Obi is definitely on my radar. On September 03 2014 01:38 Damdred wrote:On September 03 2014 01:30 3d12 wrote:On September 03 2014 01:11 Damdred wrote:
Actually 3d, why are you ignoring bunnies right now? She has said a couple times that she would be happy to get you out of the game, what do you think of that? Why did you put off commenting on it? Not worth comment, imo. She said herself that her read on me is only a "gut read," and if people are happy with bandwagoning on a gut feeling to have me lynched, I'll happily /obs and laugh as the scum runs away with the game. Well I can understand that. However what do you think of bunnies posts besides her gut feeling on you? What posts? Aside from a suspicious(ly silly) read on poofter and a CTA for a vigi on bat, she hasn't contributed much to the discussion so far. If anything, if the deadline was right now and I had to cast my vote, I think 27nb would be my choice. Stepping up and trying to publicly read poofter as town based on nothing but troll posts gives me a bad feeling that there may even be a bus straight to LYLO going on under our noses. If you think bunnies' activities make her lynchable right now you should probably explain the posts she has made... This for me falls into the category of a post that should have caught your attention and forged your opinion on him into a red way.
On September 03 2014 12:13 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2014 11:52 Damdred wrote:
Vivax, can we talk about mderg for a minute together.
What do you think of him rejoining the thread, saying that we should ignore all missions, and then just talking about 3d the whole time he was in the thread? What about it? He mentioned what he found worthy of mention and that in a blunt, not convoluted way, so overall I don't see anything scummy about mderg. He also made an observation about templar's longish post which was legit, cause imo that's how scum would post. Like, they don't know what to talk about, so templar goes for post by post analysis with a short commentary to each and then quickly bases all his reads off of what he analysed.It just seems so...stretched. You usually see something and think "oh that doesn't look good for bsbsbs" and then mention it to the thread. I don't know templar well but that method of scumhunting doesn't seem genuine to me cause it reads like he had trouble thinking of something to talk about so he would just talk about...a lot of different things and then make his scumhunting alibi out of it.
The bolded part isn't correct because my general meta is to make one of these posts at the beginning of every game.
It's really obvious that he wants Kita to read me as red, and he has been reading me as red at the same time. When kita doesn't read me as red, Vivax concludes that we are red buddies.
On September 02 2014 11:56 Vivax wrote:
Anyway Templar and kita current suspects and templar not reading kita closely reinforces my notion. 3d12 gets newbie bonus for awkward entrance.
On September 02 2014 12:03 Vivax wrote:
Poofter I'm currently townreading you but I still would like to know how buddying people is a valid heuristic for people being scum.
In my opinion it's just a buzzword related to a bad heuristic and I would appreciate if you didn't scumread people off so lazy reasons. There is literally no logic behind buddying=scum, if you could even call what I did like that, which is comparing my reads with people whose town play I value.
On September 02 2014 12:13 Vivax wrote:
Ok I didn't know what Poofter meant until I googled it.
We should change topics. So basically I have this feeling that kita and templar are scummies.
(look at the time stamps between this last one and the two before it. He said he suspected us literally 17 minutes before he "changed the subject" back to this 'feeling' that we are red)
On September 02 2014 12:18 Vivax wrote:
I generally have the feeling that you two have a hard time giving opinions about each other in the thread.
On September 02 2014 12:20 Vivax wrote:
It's a bunch of
K:"there's this but let's wait and see"
TT: "K discussing this but white"
TT." tis actually scummy"
TT: "Oh wait I misread I take it back, but this maybe is scummy"
et cetera
On September 03 2014 06:40 Vivax wrote:
3d12 sounds a lot like obviousone.
I also don't think he's scum.
Scum is among this bunch imo:
- Templar
- Kush
- Kita
- 27nb
- micchan
Basically he keeps trying to make subtle jabs at both of us for not knowing how to read each other (I pretty obviously misread that post, and I did have a pink lead on kita at the time) and concludes that this means we must be red buddies, even though he said there's no valid reasoning for this already, and even though I was trying to find reasons to read Kita as red (which vivax pointed out) instead of backing off and ignoring him at the time. By the way, I gave a white on him at the beginning of the game, not after 12+ hours had gone by, after he had made one questionable post and not justified it.
On September 02 2014 12:27 Vivax wrote:
I have no issues with Damdred at this point poofter.
Not sure what to make of micchan cause he seems experienced with mafia based on his post but apparently hes no smurf, he posted outside of the mafia subforum which usually isnt allowed for smurfs but reaaaaally not sure.
If I had to guess at a smurf id have guessed at palmar for using a hashtag and being lurky.
There's way not enough for me to scumread him off that however.
This post doesn't really say anything. It's also roughly your second content post that isn't related to me/kita, and it's on the second page of your filter.
On September 02 2014 12:22 Vivax wrote:
And I don't see how the post is odd just cause it already has discussed. It's my job to direct the attention to things I find worthy of attention even after the focus has slipped to another location.
lol, so apparently, you are solely in charge of making sure that we discuss exactly what you want us to discuss. Everything else is 'slipping to another [unspecified but probably something you don't like] location'.
On September 03 2014 07:48 Vivax wrote:
So bats, do you think in terms of who is easy to lynch or in terms of who is town or not.
You imply somebody, in this case poofter, is scummy for going after easy targets which is nonsense.
You have a bunch of people playing the game, some play the game with more effort than others. When those playing with effort scumread those who play with less effort then yes, the target is easy but the motivation behind it is largely understandable. The hardest part of playing scum is putting effort you don't actually have to put into the game cause there's nothing for you to solve.
So explain to me what the hell you're trying to achieve with this stuff on tp.
1. Poofter has more posts than any two people in this thread combined.
2. Poofter is only going after easy targets.
3. Vivax just accused ObiWan of being lazy.
4. Vivax dismisses Poofter being "lazy" despite doing the same thing.
On September 03 2014 12:54 Vivax wrote:
Yeah he's [batsnacks is] not interesting to me
On September 03 2014 13:01 Vivax wrote:
Maybe bats is worth a closer look, since he didn't explain his first post as far as I see.
On September 03 2014 13:02 Vivax wrote:
Then there's something about apologetic tone being a scum tell and his second post being a vote on Templar.
Later he says he has no scumreads.
Look at the time stamps. 8 minutes after Vivax says batsnacks isn't interesting, he says he are several red things about him. Very interesting that you find a read on him ONE MINUTE after you say "maybe there could be something interesting about this guy that I just said wasn't interesting"?
Conclusion: Vivax is trying way too hard to make kita/me look like red buddies and also conveniently dismissing batsnacks being lazy until he "finds" "something interesting" about him. Also takes Poofter and ObiWan, similar cases, and treats them differently.
##Vote: Vivax
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