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Still ok to play? | ||
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Also I play quite a bit on epic mafia and I watch it on twitch. Just never done forum before. | ||
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Scum will have a consistent KP of one but the benefits of getting the SK totally outweigh the risk of lynching town imo. Basically no voting to sleep or I will suspect you. | ||
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On August 22 2014 10:34 IAmRobik wrote: Lynching people is generally the way that town kills mafia, so yea...lynching is smart. Can you say something that's not stupid? Some scenarios a No lynch call is mathematically the best play. Consider 4 alive with 1 mafia vs 3 alive with 1 mafia. This set up however, we want to lynch every play. | ||
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I was making town aware that we need to lynch aggressively. This is an important message to put forward. Anyway I really don't like how you said you "don't want to be baited into" the discussion, But all you did was ask 3 pretty general and meaningless questions that just prolong the discussion. Moving on from this. I really don't like how you have opened the game WaveofShadow. You were the first to respond to my post. But only after someone else comments on it do you jump in. I feel this is scum indicative and you really need to do better to convince me you are town. | ||
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On August 22 2014 11:04 GlowingBear wrote: Kelsier, have you ever played mafia before? Ask a better question | ||
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Ok so you have nothing useful. I am going to give my reads so far. I like Robik as top town so far. I don't know him personally but I don't think mafia comes out early and calls someone stupid. Kind of like dam because he seemed to actually read a bit deeper into my first post. I like turtle because of his poem and he tried to focus town away from useless discussion. I wouldn't lynch these 3. Wave and Bear both seem kind of useless and weak so far and I would happily kill either of them | ||
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On August 22 2014 11:16 GlowingBear wrote: Ate a family of fireflies. Every single family member. Why waves of shadow instead of waves of light? What do you think of Kelsen (I'll call him Kelsen, it's easier to remember) avoiding my question? not avoiding it, just a fucking terrible question | ||
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On August 22 2014 11:21 GlowingBear wrote: You're basically saying that you read Robik as town because he is rude and Turtlevine because he is a poet. Then you read me and WoS because we are useless on the second page of the thread. If you do not answer the question you are avoiding it. It's that simple. And there is no possibility of no lynch because it is plurality lynch. Your question was bad and pointless. I don't have to answer pointless shit. You are oversimplifying the reads. I gave more detailed reasons for reading them town. I dont think mafia are that rude early in the game. Inside Turtles poem he was basically trying to force town back on track which I think is town orientated. Either way this is enough town play for me to give them a d1 pass. You bringing up this shit question you asked is derailing town. Kind of useless. | ||
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On August 22 2014 11:30 Damdred wrote: His question was not pointless or bad really, he wanted to know your experience with mafia as a whole. I would of phrased it have you played any mafia on this site or what games have you played. Also its not useless because it gives people a better idea of how to read you No offense to Rob but hes always...not rude but probably blunt is a better word for him, and I don't really think its alignment oriented. Yes I have played mafia before. I didn't like the way the question was asked though. Yeh I havent played with Robik before I might reevaluate that read but he is still towny to me, | ||
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On August 22 2014 11:42 GlowingBear wrote: What on the way I questioned you didn't like? WoS, if you think the players here suck, it's up to you to do something good or funny, then. So I probably misinterpreted what you meant but it felt like you attempting to laugh at me or discredit me. Just the phrasing was insulting. But not in the up front insulting way that Robik did. Anyway I like Bear as more town now, seems to be trying to read people a bit more and telling WoS to do...anything is good. Be good to hear more from yamato apart from looooool | ||
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On August 22 2014 11:46 WaveofShadow wrote: It's not that, it's just I want to blast KSC for how generic he's playing and how wrong that ultimately makes him but I actually want to have fun in this game so I'll wait for other people to do it for me/ignore him for now so I don't have all the fun sucked out Alright before you go and sulk in the corner like a baby , let me explain my day 1 play. What I like to do is basically give people a town pass d1, like you do something a bit towny or I perceive it as town play then you are off my radar d1. So far you have done absolutely nothing except bitch and whine and make stupid little comments so until you do something you are my top lynch. | ||
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On August 22 2014 11:52 WaveofShadow wrote: K townpile then. If you had to pick a scummer based on people who have posted right now, who and why? Also who in this game have you played with before? I already did that holy fuck I think Dam is town, Bear is town, turtle is town and I still think Robik is town. He may play that way with either alignment but it still felt town to me. You are my top scum so far. Reasons. 1) You made no attempts to figure out the game. 2) You moaned and said stupid shit like "yamato save me" or "SK save me" 3) when I made the first post you responded to it but only attacked it after someone else had which felt super fucking scummy. | ||
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On August 22 2014 12:14 WaveofShadow wrote: I meant the other question I asked GB about if you had to pick one scum so far. Sorry that wasn't clear I guess. GB probs town btw. agreed | ||
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On August 22 2014 12:19 GlowingBear wrote: (1)He is too aggressive page 1. Being aggressive is a town play, but being too aggressive with too little information sounds scummy to me or beginner's paranoia. I was like that when I was a newbie and I did that last game against Rayn when I was mafia. (2) his entrance is a tcontributing post which doesn't days much actually. He could be trying to look contributive while being mafia. (3) free town passes. He gave a town pass to Robik but didn't to WoS and they were in the same level of "rudeness". Tbh, those three items post on WoS were valid, but WoS is an easy target if you consider all those items already in the beginning of day 1. Being aggressive is basically how I get my reads as town. Apparently this counts as tryhard but if I am rubbing people the wrong way this early then that probably makes me town. The tryhard town read on me is correct. I already explained my town passes is a d1 style of mine it is easier d1 to give someone a town pass and see who is left. I also want to explain what was different about Robik and WoS. So robik was the first guy to basically say "you are stupid" which I actually read as town. only after Robik did WoS come at me and it was like just 3 nothing questions to derail town with. After that his rudeness was just almost like evasive and not contributing in anyway. stuff like posting a gif file, or asking for the SK to kill me. Recently he has been a bit more active but it almost feels forced. He basically asked everyone to give a scum read, an easy way to seem active. and then asked Gb about yamato, who has only said looooooool. Like I think there were better questions to ask. | ||
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On August 22 2014 12:32 GlowingBear wrote: Bolded part is an okay explanation. I also said you have valid points regarding WoS, but it looks to early to push that hard. I understand you said it is your town play style, but I have to have my own interpretations of what you do. You can begin to ask better questions now, instead of WoS So for me I am waiting for some new players to kind of start playing and give an interpretation. I want yamato to give anything apart from his lol post. | ||
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On August 22 2014 12:41 GlowingBear wrote: You won't get much from Yamato. Check the games he has played and you'll see that he is not talkative regardless his alignment. Can you tell me why do you feel I'm town? I guess you already said that but I didn't get it clearly. So I read you as town for a few reasons. I liked how you told WoS to start playing that felt town. You questioned my read on Robik which also felt like town figuring out my reasoning. And your interactions with WoS felt towny like you were giving useful info. Like I said you did enough to move into the d1 town pass. | ||
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On August 22 2014 12:45 Damdred wrote: I don't think he's as easy a target as those points you pointed to. Point three is possibly the best one the rest are applicable right at that time but idk if it is now. i like he was trying to get people talking and interacting it helps town atmosphere but i wish he would of said before he left who he had leaaning scum like he asked us. So one thing that I don't like where his questions. like he said "If you had to pick a scummer based on people who have posted right now, who and why?" Like this is a way to seem really active but you don't get much information. Like maybe I could be scummy for being aggressive but it is kind of a weird question for him to ask. and then he asked GB about yamato. Like yamato said one meaningless thing, how is GB going to give some amazing insight like. oh if he has 10 O's in his Lol then he is mafia like it was just a stupid question to make it look like you are figuring shit out. | ||
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as of right now Town - GB, Dam, Turtle, Rob Scum - WoS people need to talk yo. | ||
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Yamato seems town so far, I like the way he is posting it seems genuine and relaxed, he shared the read as me on WoS but wasn't totally leaping on a bw. Rayn feels town to me, his interaction with yamato felt town and his aggression with regards to Xatalos was town. I don't like Xatalos so far. Firstly his initial ranking system feels weird to me and doesn't line up with my reads. Like he said Wos was responding casual/towny and being natural..if that is what you call spamming gifs and shit posts then ok I dont read that as town at all. Secondly his read on dama being mafia and then voting, I mean dama isn't my top town but he has still played in a town oritentated way. I think there are more important people to look at. I also don't like his read on rayn, like he gets -1 point because he didn't post whilst he was asleep like how does this system work where WoS gets 4 points but rayn is on -1 for not being awake. Xatalos I want to ask you, what do you think of the line of questioning that WoS went with. Specifically his asking everyone to give a scum, and asking GB to give a yamato read | ||
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On August 22 2014 22:08 GlowingBear wrote: I think Xatalos is scum because his play in this game is different from the games I played with him. That list post doesn't fit him. His vote on damdred was awkward. His +4 points on you were awkward. I like to feel useful  Can you explain what was different from the last games? | ||
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To me that makes me view you as more town and Xat as scum trying to buy a friend | ||
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On August 22 2014 23:07 raynpelikoneet wrote: Why is noone calling yamato mafia? are you calling him mafia? I gave him a town pass today because of his interaction with you. He said someething about not being able to read WoS that well but did bring up his early posting being fluffy and that felt like town to me. I think mafia would have just said "he has shit posted yeh" | ||
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Xat giving WoS a +4 makes Xat scummier to me. WoS who do you read as scum? | ||
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I'm not sure what you mean by that. The reason he feels town is he said he can't read you that well which I don't think a mafia would say. d1 pass acquired. | ||
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There is no reason to say it, you can just give the read and cast a bigger aspersion if you don't preface it. He also felt town in his interactions, kind of chilled and relaxed. So I have multiple reasons to give him a town pass I kind of feel like GB has had a weak game since coming back and the awkward intro, like giving a "you gave your mafia partner a +4" like maybe that was a joke but I don't think anyone would truly believe that a mafia makes his partner top town right at the start of d1. I gave him an early town pass but I really don't like his play so far. | ||
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On August 22 2014 23:30 justanothertownie wrote: I hate to break it to you but mafia often avoids giving concrete reads on people. Yep I understand that idea but his interactions felt genuine to me. | ||
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On August 22 2014 23:42 Damdred wrote: Curious why you think this, all of yamatos stuff at this point is one or two lines and theres no real analysis So he seemed relaxed made a few jokes about the poem, solving the game etc. Had a good town vibe. Then he said "I can't read WoS that well" but then "he seemed to be shit posting and complaining about derailing, whilst derailing" something like that. Now to me that is pretty town, obviously some people disagree but it feels town enough for a d1 pass. Yamato is not the lynch for me today besides wave is guilty of the same thing kel is guilty of. Is that strong enough to really put into town pile and give a free pass today for you? can you explain that in more detail I don't understand you. | ||
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On August 22 2014 23:50 raynpelikoneet wrote: If me or Hapa says "lynch yamato" you will lynch yamato and not secondguess it for a second. ok? What is a Hapa? You are town for me so I would trust your reads, if Yam posts a bit more maybe I can reevaluate but for me he is town so far. | ||
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On August 22 2014 23:50 Damdred wrote: Sure the only analysis yamato gave was, he has a hard time reading wave and then next post he gave a analysis that wave is guilty of the same thing that he accused Kel of. also brb Ah ok I get it now Yeh I felt like that was a good read and the way it was delivered felt towny to me. | ||
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On August 22 2014 23:53 justanothertownie wrote: That's the wrong way. If yamato DOESN'T post a bit more you should reevaluate your townread. meh he is town to me | ||
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On August 23 2014 00:22 raynpelikoneet wrote: Why are me and JAT posting the exact same fucking stuff all the time. This is funny haha <3 Because you are both town. Think the lynch is between Xat and GB at the moment. I think WoS has played a lot stronger since the restart and GB has really slipped down. | ||
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On August 23 2014 00:31 raynpelikoneet wrote: I do not think this is the case with Wave. Basically everything he says is just incorrect or he contradicts himself with what he says earlier. For example he called someone bad/scum for making an association case and then he made a shitty association case himself... My reason for calling his play "stronger" was because i really didn't like him at the start of the game. I also read Xat is scummy and I don't think scum gives his partner a +4 but I suppose this could be a possibility. I still don't like WoS but he is at least being more useful. I don't like the way he has made some generic reads on Dama and gone after him as he is one of my top town. | ||
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His start of day play felt town he was trying to stop us getting derailed. Then he had almost the same analysis as me on Xat's list post being weird so that felt good to me. He questioned my yam read in a way that seemed he was actually curious about it. And he didn't give GB an instant strong town read which is smart in hindsight considering how his play has fallen off. | ||
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1) I still don't like how he thinks Dam is scum like it just doesn't fit with how I read him and that makes me feel uneasy, also no one else is really pinging out Dam, he isn't going to be the lynch so why deflect on to him. 2) You have no "strong" scum reads like this just doesn't feel good at this point. 3) You got angry with rayn for seemingly no real reason, he was bringing up some good points and asking you reasonable questions and you just kind of exploded at him and It just felt forced to me. If i get this straight you slightly fos me, dam and Xat as scum? | ||
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On August 23 2014 01:40 WaveofShadow wrote: 1) Not deflecting, called him scum ages ago, trying to update reads. I'm sure in another case you could call me scum for sheeping onto a read everybody else has had rather than a 'new' target amirite? CONFIRMATION BIAS 2) never have strong scumreads D1. YOU DON KNO ME (in slightly hispanic accent) 3) Not the way I see it. KSC, who are you going to vote for, if at all? I noted you did ping Dam pretty early in the game and you have stuck to the read, I just don't agree with the read that is why it meses with me. The other points are just my opinion/playstyle so I'm going to leave them. I am going to be voting for Xat he is the scummiest by a mile. Like I said I still don't like you but what concerns me is that Xat gave you that early +4 rating and then backtracked on you and all of this weird stuff so at the moment I can't see you as scum together. | ||
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On August 23 2014 01:43 WaveofShadow wrote: Alright I'm out. Likely won't be posting until tomorrow. MAYBE later tonight after I cast a ban match. REALLY not a fan of KSC at all I suggest people look at him a little more closely---but then of course he's been attacking me most of the game so you should be ok with that, right? Dunno wtf hapa/onegu are doing. Or yamato. Mayb one of them scum I dunno what happened to your scum read of dam? | ||
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On August 23 2014 01:54 justanothertownie wrote: What are you trying to achieve by asking this? I could probably ask you the same thing. I was basically asking if he believed Xat would make his partner one of his top town | ||
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On August 23 2014 01:55 justanothertownie wrote: I also attacked damdred btw. do you think I am scum for it? tbh I read you as strong town pretty early so I wasn't ever considering you scum for today. I didn't actually see you attack dam tbh so not sure what you are talking about. | ||
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On August 23 2014 02:05 justanothertownie wrote: Connections cases on day1 tend to suck pretty hard. It just feels like a really irrelevant thing to ask. It is relevant to me | ||
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On August 23 2014 02:09 raynpelikoneet wrote: I don't unedrstand why you question your townreads instead of scumreads KSC? you are a town read of mine. I wanted to know how people i think are town view people I believe are scum. So if you had said "i think it makes WoS seem more town" I take that into consideration | ||
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On August 23 2014 02:13 justanothertownie wrote: Why aren't you asking about his opinion on them then? Plain and simple. Why do you feel the need to create some kind of connection based read? The connection is something I use when making my read so if someone I think is town believes the connection is important then that factors into my read aswell. | ||
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On August 23 2014 02:17 justanothertownie wrote: Maybe we just disagree on how to read people day1, whatever. If scumreading damdred is the only/biggest reason for your scumread on Wave then I don't like it. I think I made it clear throughout almost the whole day that I have a lot of reasons for scum reading WoS | ||
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On August 23 2014 02:24 justanothertownie wrote: Hm, your filter reveals that your other reasons were that he has been useless and that you don't think his anger is genuine. Meh. He didn't have a fos when he was asked and kind of danced around giving a proper read. Also he asked really useless questions to fake activity and I didn't like that at all | ||
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On August 23 2014 02:52 Xatalos wrote: Not really sure about Robik but he's vocal / engaged enough that he looks like a bad lynch. And he constantly claims town which would be a bit odd as scum. you think scum don't claim town? | ||
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On August 23 2014 05:08 Xatalos wrote: I feel the urge to /sheep Hapa because he understands my meta and brought a good point about rayn. But it's my policy not to lynch heavyweight players on D1 :/ Gah maybe this is too much to turn a blind eye on though. Ok here is my major problem Xatalos Firstly you didn't really scum read rayn at all you said he was null and a lot of it was waffle about him being awake. In fact then you go on to give him a little town plug. On August 23 2014 03:54 Xatalos wrote: I can kind of see rayn's town motivation in this though because I slipped hard in Intrigue as scum by contradicting myself between various PM's / thread posts. But then Hapa gives his read that rayn is mafia. Which you immediately jump on saying how it is "possible". Considering this is the first thing Hapa said and he has lurked all game you are ready to just flip on it. I really don't like that at all. As far as the read Hapa gave, I disagree I think rayn is town. I am still undecided on Hapa | ||
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I'm going to give my reasons here. 1) The initial list was just bad, you had some weird reads on rayn for being asleep and you had WoS as top town. It just didn't line up for me. 2) you voted and kind of went on dam when I read him town, you then unvoted him but now think he is mafia again. 3) You then went about "finding" who to lynch and you put a town list of me and 2 basically confirmed, everyone else was a maybe. Like you gave no real reads and just seemed wishy washy 4) Your mafia notes confirmed this. Everyone has a score close to 0. Everyone could be scum or not sure if town like there is nothing of value at all. you have GB at an 8, good the confirmed town is probably town. 5) The pressure is on you and you jump onto this rayn is mafia thing that Hapu brought up even though he has lurked and done nothing. So TLDR Your reads don't line up with my reads. People I view as town view you scummy, Your reads are wishy washy and don't have a lot of substance. You jump on a mafia read from someone who has like 2 posts this game. ##Vote Xatalos | ||
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On August 23 2014 05:39 justanothertownie wrote: Why would a scummer make the effort of faking notes and then only come up with null reads? So My issue is that the mafia notes is just a page of waffle and nothingness to me that is indicative of mafia, I think if you are town you should have a scum read by now. or at least more substantiation than he had. as for why would they fake notes, I don't know what you mean by fake but like it isn't difficult to maintain a page of notes so when things look bad you can copy/paste and go "look i am town!" | ||
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On August 23 2014 05:50 justanothertownie wrote: So do you think xatalos and rayn are scum together or how does that make sense? what the fuck when did I ever say that | ||
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On August 23 2014 05:55 justanothertownie wrote: I never said you did. But to me it doesn't really make sense otherwise. Whatver I am not lynching the guy with the biggest filter. So the only world where things make sense is that Xan is scum is if rayn is also scum? | ||
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On August 23 2014 05:58 justanothertownie wrote: In that world what you said at least makes a little bit of sense, yes. But I doubt that we are living in that world. Ok I don't understand where you are coming from as Xat and rayn have kind of butted heads the whole game. Like to me Xat is mafia rayn is town. I don't understand this weird shit you are talking about | ||
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On August 23 2014 06:01 Damdred wrote: Maybe I'm misunderstanding but kel is saying xat thinks I'm still mafia when the thread says otherqise. Xat says I'm unlynchable today and defends me on several occasions. yeh you are misunderstanding he defends you now but he did like vote and go pretty hard on you despite his read being that you were "awkward" like it is more wishy washy stuff that I don't like at all. On August 23 2014 06:02 justanothertownie wrote: Yes, I noticed that too. Interesting | ||
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On August 23 2014 06:10 yamato77 wrote: he's setting up my potential mislynch because he thinks I'm not going to try plus, he preempts my return to the thread with this bullshit Ok I am going to speak in rayn's defence here, yamato what you have to realise is that to rayn it may have seemed strange people didn't read you scummy. You said "let's solve the game" then gave your reads and promptly disappeared. Like I still read you as town, don't get me wrong. But what I am saying is that rayn wasn't scummy for asking. I think it is kind of ridiculous to say he has been unfocused or unmemorable. I think he has pushed on the right people and guided town pretty actively. Even getting into heated arguments with WoS. If you are using GB as an example of unfocus then half the fucking thread is mafia. His play noticeably fell off and then he was nearly confirmed so switching from his isn't really a scummy thing to do at all. | ||
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On August 23 2014 06:18 yamato77 wrote: it was scummy for him to randomly go "why do you read yamato as town?" do you know how rayn operates with his scumreads as town? he makes fucking cases on them and argues about it for days is this how he is handling his read on me? no. it's horseshit. I don't like him coming after me, and I don't like how he's going about his read on wave or damdred either at the moment I kind of explained the 1st point, not going to rehash. I also don't see how he is "coming after you" can you elaborate. I think his WoS read is good, mhm I read dam as town. | ||
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On August 23 2014 06:32 Damdred wrote: I give little credit to xatas vote on me honestly. Basically he removed his vote and totally stopped pushing me after i reentered the thread. I think you aren't thinking about the evolution of reads i can think someone is scummy and then after watching and interacting they are town. Atm this just makes it so your case is built off old facts and trying to paint his actions red. Right now xata is town to me his views evolve over time he's not scared to say what he thinks and he's not avoiding. So yea I still give some credit to it I think his read on you was bad. Once other people TR you he kind of backed off but I am not forgetting it. Since then there is no evolution because he has no reads, his mafia notes thing was just nonsense. Then as soon as some lurker appears with a mafia read on rayn he is all over it, How has his play evolved since then what new play has developed, the "old" points still stand because I have nothing from him. | ||
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I never said Hapa was scum, at all. What I said is that you have no reason to really think he is town, but you are perfectly happy to sheep his read and call rayn mafia. EVEN THOUGH you called him town a few posts before. | ||
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On August 23 2014 06:46 Hapahauli wrote: You underestimate my suave. that may be so | ||
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On August 23 2014 06:59 Xatalos wrote: Copied from my notes: 1) softpushing yamato awkwardly without follow-up 2) scumreading Damdred based on out of context / false reasons 3) basically just pushing suspicion everywhere and hoping it sticks somewhere why was none of this in the notes you published, i think all the things you accused him of happened before you possted your notes | ||
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On August 23 2014 07:06 Damdred wrote: He just posted those comments a few pages ago kel. and rayn no I'm a townie so stop telling me to shut up and post more logic the stuff on you, not the stuff on yama | ||
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My top town right now, JAT, dam, GB, turtle, robik, I think Rayn is town even though I didn't like his emo outburst, Hapa gets a town pass seems to have thought about his read even though I dont agree with it at all.. Yam i think his town but I don't really know what the fuck he is doing, not the lynch so w/e. That leaves the lynch between Xat, WoS, Vane and Onegu The stuff from Xat doesnt add up, he has no reads but suddenly Rayn is mafia it all makes sense, and then he makes up he has notes about this "push" on yamato, even though he posted his notes AFTER the yamato comment and it wasnt mentioned. Like holy fuck this guy is the scummiest dude in here by a mile. Also Rayn just asked a legitimate question about why Yamato had a free pass. It is being blown way out of propotion. Him flipping on GB is irrelevant as everyone thoughtt his play was dropping. Exactly how was he focused. he asked important and aggro questions to WoS and Dam. Either way rayn is not the lynch. So yeh Xat, Wos, Vayne or Onegu are who we need to look at | ||
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On August 23 2014 07:10 Xatalos wrote: So your scumreads are Hapa, me, Damdred? That's pretty much as bad as it gets. It would only be worse if you scumread yamato too (he's pretty obvtown after the recent pages). 1) If that's not softpushing I don't know what is 2) this is certainly true as has been pointed out by others in addition to me as well 3) true since you've pushed a ton of people on weak reasons and tried to validate your pushes constantly explain why he is obv town | ||
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On August 23 2014 07:14 Xatalos wrote: yamato barely manages to post as scum and his posts are all very generic and weak. Here he's really actively posting and clearly enjoying it. I think he hates playing as scum so he never shows joy in his scumplay. what the fuck are we in the same game. none of your reasons are correct, he has made what...8 posts total and some of them are random shit like "THUNDERDOME" what in the shit whore mouth fuck. I think yam is town but not for the reasons you gave. | ||
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On August 23 2014 07:17 Hapahauli wrote: Because your play lacks any focus whatsoever. And the quotes on Yamato are the best example. I've seen game after game of town-rayn lock onto suspicions and push those ideas until they're completely exhausted. And then I see something like this... ...and then you just drop off. However what I find equally suspicious is what you abandon this discussion on Yamato for: + Show Spoiler + On August 22 2014 23:12 raynpelikoneet wrote: I don't remember what you said because i do not think you are necessarily mafia any more. On August 22 2014 23:15 raynpelikoneet wrote: Wave are you scared to have feelings? On August 22 2014 23:16 raynpelikoneet wrote: Also do you think anyone is mafia? I have no idea who you do think is mafia. On August 22 2014 23:18 raynpelikoneet wrote: Well JAT covered that already. I didn't think i should answer it anymore. I don't read posts from people who i think are town and who i consider "worthless" because it does not help me find mafia. Especially posts about me. Sorry Xatalos but i think you are quite worthless at the start of the game, maybe for smth like 15-20 first hours. Same goes for Damdred. I do not read his posts properly until he starts posting properly. If that does not happen then my read might change. On August 22 2014 23:19 raynpelikoneet wrote: I think you should reconsider some of your heuristics. Or maybe a bit more than some. On August 22 2014 23:26 raynpelikoneet wrote: Bad posts are bad posts. People are found out as mafia because of bad posts. You can't just say "look a scummy post this dude is town because no scum would do that" (which i recently got painfully reminded of). I also do not understand your pre-flip association read on Xatalos being town because "everyone has called him scum" when in fact half of the players have not called him scum. You switch to random conversational topics that are nowhere near as pertinent at what was a pretty good observation of Yamato at that point in the game. And that's what gets me. I cannot see "Town Rayn" thinking like that. Abandoning a read like that to make a snarky remark about WoS's lack of feelings. And this process repeats itself with GlowingBear: Two strong quotes on GlowingBear. You seem convinced that GlowingBear is scum. You vote him the next day and bring up strong points on him. And then... You never drop your read on GB. You just sorta spontaneously decide to go on Xatalos. AND IT HAPPENS AGAIN! Your switch to Damdred: "I'm going to be concerned with my read on Xatalos, whom I haven't retracted my suspicions on later. IN the mean time, let me place my vote here." Rediculous. QUOTES! there was one quote. explain this apparent attack on yamato this is the stupidest thing ever | ||
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On August 22 2014 23:27 raynpelikoneet wrote: Maybe GlowingBear is mafia because his posts are quite weird and do not follow any sort of logic. I gotta reread him tonight. On August 22 2014 23:32 raynpelikoneet wrote: Show nested quote + People who post these things always end up being mafia. Two strong quotes on GlowingBear. You seem convinced that GlowingBear is scum. You vote him the next day and bring up strong points on him. And then... On August 23 2014 00:59 raynpelikoneet wrote: Maybe we should just lynch Xatalos because he is refusing to answer directly to questions and dancing around the issue. On August 23 2014 01:35 raynpelikoneet wrote: ##Vote: Xatalos You never drop your read on GB. You just sorta spontaneously decide to go on Xatalos. You are dumb read thread | ||
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I explained that he asked a reasonable question about yamato, but it is being painted as some attack and being blown out of proportion. If some guy said "lets solve the game" then disappeared it is odd he is getting a town read, I town read yam but w/e You also say he switched off GB. GB came back awkward as fuck and played pretty poorly...then got basically confirmed as town. Everyone fucking switched from him. Is everyone fucking mafia? So your point about unfocus is stupid because he went on 2 people, one of which I believe is scum and asked important and aggressive questions. Like you need a better reason to come in first post and vote someone, like fuck off with that | ||
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So I was going to add that All vayne has done was make some dumb jokes and then tell people they have derailed the game or you have messed up the thread ahhh. without really giving reads himself and i didn't like that. But now I think his read is kind of accurate, I don't agree I think Dam is down, But I will take Vane off the table for a D1 lynch. | ||
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On August 23 2014 07:31 Xatalos wrote: His read is accurate and wrong? Isn't that a contradiction? No not at all. He has a valid point about Dam kind of disappearing. This is why the read is accurate. But Dam has done other towny things in this game and he is not the D1 lynch for me. | ||
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On August 23 2014 07:31 Hapahauli wrote: Oh geezus fuck I forgot that GB got confirmed mason around that time. Yeah that's my bad. You can remove that portion from the case, but I think the basic point stands: RE Yamato: the point isn't that he asked reasonable questions - that much I fully acknowledge. The point is that he went from that good observation (Yamato disappearing after "lets solve the game") into basically forgetting about it and talking about other random stuff. The basic point I'm trying to make is that a town Rayn's mentality would not forget something like that. I suppose it depends how you interpret the question, it could be that his curiousity was satisfied I think a few people responded with why they felt Yamato was town and maybe he moved on with it. Honestly I think the case doesnt hold water, the way yam and Xat have blown this out of proportion, with how quickly Xat and Yam both jumped on your read. I think you need to reevaluate. | ||
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On August 23 2014 07:41 raynpelikoneet wrote: thnak you for that. but tbh, hapa is not aplayer who posts crap. he is mafia when he posts crap. he is mafia. rayn I personally think hapa is town for D1 and either way you won't get the votes on him. Outside of rayn I would like to know who Xat and Yam think are mafia. | ||
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I think we lynch betweem Xat, Yam, WoS or the AfK dude I cant remember his name. Like I think Hapa didn't fully evaluate the interactions that Rayn did, shit hapa even retracted part of his argument and then unvoted so the focus being on rayn is kinda silly. Xat and Yam need to be looked at most carefull. A lot of the Xat story doesn't add up and Yam has been shit tier | ||
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The thread only shifted against rayn as Hap blasted Then Xat and Yam went full hard dick against him. Dam maybe it only seems like the thread was against him because you and him had an argument but like it was definetly BW hopping by Xat and Yam | ||
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On August 23 2014 09:13 Xatalos wrote: RE: [D1] Malware Madness Mafia! (yamato) It does slightly worry me that no one else thinks that Rayn is town, but idk man, I've played many games with that Fin and I can townread him very well early on. rayn, do you really think scum Hapa + yamato would push you D1 if you're town even though they're both apparently good at reading you? Why are you lying about this I have stated many times that Rayn is town. | ||
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On August 23 2014 09:23 Xatalos wrote: I don't even know what you're saying anymore. what the fuck how can that be clearer | ||
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On August 23 2014 09:27 Xatalos wrote: I really just don't think useless yamato is scum yamato. Like look at this: http://www.vendetta-strada.net/showthread.php?tid=1785&pid=119817#pid119817 He's basically lynching someone because he just dislikes him. (he also said geript was scum but the stronger motive was clearly just to kill him) And he also goes AFK for long periods of time and gets scumread by pretty much everyone but me and rayn. Still there's clearly at least some effort to do something. Unlike in the PYP game. And like in this game. can you explain in this game the effort he did apart from sheep Happ's read and post random shit | ||
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On August 23 2014 10:12 Xatalos wrote: You forget that GB is pretty confirmed again though  Doesnt mean his reads are useful, no way hapa is the lynch | ||
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On August 23 2014 09:33 Xatalos wrote: Like this is the level of effort he shows as scum: Here he's at least done *something*. Shared reads that seemed okay. Pushed rayn. Etc. I just don't agree with this statement at all. He only pushed rayn after Happa. Before that he had given one read on WoS. it was a pretty good read but not massively insightful and then he shut up for ages living on his town read. He said that rayn "went after him" for a pretty reasonable question. Also notice Yam didn't have a problem with the question at the time. Just let it slide. So he gave 2 reads, one which was an early game simple read and the other that was a sheep of a bad read like. I just don't see why you read him so hard town. | ||
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I believe the lynch is between Xat, Yamata , WoS and Onegu. I think Xat is still the top lynch, he is like hard town reading Yamata which makes no sense and I still really don't like how he has gone after rayn really hard but only after Hapa said it. He "only noticed things after Hapa brought them up" like be real. Yamata is similar to Xat but he has been much more lurky, I don't like how he blew rayn's question to "he went after me" and he really bw with Hapa. He has also lurked hardcore and seemed happy to sit on his TR. WoS I gave my reasons before. but I want to see how he evaluates this new development. Onegu is AFK so fuck off and die. Don't lynch Happa or rayn, . | ||
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On August 23 2014 19:55 Xatalos wrote: Robik has also been weirdly lurking :/ He went to a comedy show and is probably fucking 3 playboy bunnies right now at the same time. based Robik | ||
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On August 23 2014 20:27 Xatalos wrote: So KSC you're scumreading me because 1) I'm townreading yamato 2) pushing rayn? That's really weak... Besides I already explained to you that I didn't notice rayn's softpush on yamato earlier, or maybe I noticed it but forgot it soon after... Dunno how that makes me scum. And the Damdred thing only happened AFTER I nullread rayn so that + the yamato thing Hapa noticed made me vote. It is more than that though and you trying to simplify it to make it look weak is really fucking scummy | ||
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On August 23 2014 20:55 Xatalos wrote: Well I already completely destroyed your earlier "case" and that's what was left of it on your most recent post about me. Completely destroyed? This never happened at all. You gave some non sensical posts about "forgetting to push" let's be real. | ||
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On August 23 2014 21:47 Xatalos wrote: With one of your arguments being factually false, one of them being a nulltell rather than scumtell, and the others actually being towntells (for me, not in general), I think it's pretty destroyed. This fallacy that you destroyed my argument is completely ridiculous. 1) The older points that you are scum still exist. You had a terrible first list post I didn't like any of your reads, to me that means you are not reading the game correctly that makes you scum to me and a good lynch. I didn't like your weird Dam interactions and also you had a bunch of null reads with everyone either "maybe town could be scum" like it is just non commital gibberish. 2) The main sticking point is when Hapa came out with his read, you had called rayn maybe town, but then as soon as hapa came out you jumped on it and you sheeped all his reasons. ESPECIALLY the "attack" on yamato which apparently hadn't noticed. 3) You then gave a bunch of shitty reasons why yam is town a lot of them were just factually incorrect about how he is giving his reads and seems up for this game which just isn't true, like yam is really scummy to me and you having the same read as him and reading him town is really scummy. 4) This is just my personal opinion here but you seem to be trying to make a lot of posts to seem town but a lot of them are just nothing. Like "where is robik, this is weird" It gives the impression you are trying to figure things out but it is just a lot of garbage trying to throw suspicon. 5 ll of my reads besides the Masons are now -1, 0, 1 or 2 points This is what bugs me, you are really happy to sheep any read you get but you have none of those people as your town. | ||
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On August 23 2014 23:10 Xatalos wrote: 1) Actually wrong reads (especially very early, initial reads) come more often from town. As scum you have perfect information so it's easy to make your reads somewhat believable. I always craft my reads carefully as scum to be as believable and focused as possible. So I don't really see your point here even if you're somehow right about everything and I'm wrong about everything (no way). The Damdred vote was just something to start the day with, nothing that serious. Btw my notes were my real-time thoughts as I read the thread and nothing like a case or anything. Hard to be immediately 100% sure early on as you read stuff. 2) False. I never called rayn town or even "maybe town". At best null. What you're exaggerating is when I said that "I could see the town motivation behind making that stunt". That's not even any longer the case since clearly there was none - he immediately abandoned the whole idea since my notes matched with my play and there was nothing to push me with. 3) Just stupid. Experienced scum players NEVER, I repeat NEVER do stuff like hard-defend each other and push stuff together. It's about the same as claiming Masons together. This is what gets newb scumteams killed. 4) Go read Arnie Got a Gun Mafia if you think fluff posts indicate scum Xatalos. 5) +2 towny is already somewhat town. And if the argument is good, it's not like I have to 100% townread the one who presented it. Explain why you townread yamato though your reasons dont make sense why were you so happy to sheep hapas read i dont really need to read other games, it isnt hard to mimic your town play if your town play is to have no reads what so ever. | ||
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On August 24 2014 00:09 Xatalos wrote: Again, he's absolutely useless and unmotivated as scum. He doesn't show emotion. That's from my experience. I don't like how he's lurking so much and avoiding hot topics of discussion though, plus Hapa made some decent points about how he doesn't have real confidence in his reads and how he leaves the thread at crucial points. So currently he's only +1 and he will drop further if his lurking behavior continues. I've been concerned about rayn all game and I've never thought he's town, something I've ALWAYS concluded at some point during D1 if he's town. However, I didn't want to lynch him based on a gut feeling because 1) he'd be an NK magnet as town 2) he could become a real asset as town at some point. Then he did a really shady push on Damdred where I really doubt he even believed in it himself (all his arguments were just wrong / misinterpreted). I was really wavering on believing he could possibly be town. Just then Hapa came out with an additional point pointing to scum rayn and I decided that I'd rather lynch probable scum rather than flip a coin (on yamato who had barely posted at that point, and actually yamato returned to the thread around then as well while showing some of his towny traits - emotion, constantly posting stuff etc.). So that's why. I'd hardly say I have "no reads whatsoever" when I townread you and scumread rayn. My other reads are still under evaluation. Onegu is probably town too though because he instantly focused on figuring out the game when he started posting earlier. As scum he's pretty... unfocused. I think we must just disagree on how Yam has played this game, For me he has tried to BW that push on rayn and then kind of disappeared and posted random bullshit it seems unmotivated and useless. What bothers me most about your attack on rayn is the timing of things, I just don't like how you later posted the notes on rayn that included the thing he said about yamato, but you never even brought that up until Hapa remembered it for you. Like that seems a big thing to forget on someone you are wavering town on. you said that everyone has a score of "-1 to 2" so I don't think any of that is concrete. Also I am curious you town reading me when I read Yam as scum and rayn as town. | ||
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On August 24 2014 00:42 Xatalos wrote: It's hard to believe your promise if your #2 scum is town though (when you *should* townread me if you're town I'm quite certain of that). Xat can you give me an explanation of all the town things you have done this game. To be honest anything about your "playstyle" being similar to other town games doesn't cut it for me because you have the easiest style to mimic | ||
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On August 24 2014 01:08 Xatalos wrote: You can be wrong and town. It happens all the time, especially since you don't know me or anyone else here. By the way currently my points go from -3 to 3. Even so I'm really a bit conservative with my points. Even GB & turtlevine are only 8 when they're pretty much confirmed. An extreme townread would be something like 5 or 6. Hm. Well I guess we'll see about yamato. It's a bit hard to explain, but his tone is just so different. In the PYP game all his posts were bored / resigned. Here he's actually excited to play (that's the feeling I got). I can't say he hasn't been useless, but he's useless as town too. I'm not completely sure what you mean there? Obviously I added the scummy 1&2&3 points to my notes only *after* I thought of them - when Damdred had just made his push on Damdred and Hapa had started his push. It's not like I had them in my notes all along (LOL how could that even be possible - the Damdred thing happened way after I posted my notes earlier). With the notes thing I am specifically talking about the yamato thing., you posted notes once that didnt have the yamato question but the 2nd notes you posted did, this was way after the original question rayn asked. Your reads are just too different to mine at the moment Xat. | ||
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I already said I didn't like the early game from him but I think he has done enough now to get my town pass. Specifically. He brought up some good points about Dama, I still think dama is town but WoS had accurate reads on him. He never really trusted Yam and now he voted on him and brought up more good points, I also think Yam is scum I really like this read. I think he is frustrated with rayn but still reads him town, I have the same read His last post seemed really well thought out and his analysis of Hapa seemed well constructed ALTHOUGH I don't have experience with Hapa so im not sure if it is true. Xat but him as a +4 early, I think xat is scum, I don't think Xat would +4 a partner that early. He voted on Yam who is a top lynch of mine. TLDR - WoS is really town | ||
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On August 24 2014 01:17 Xatalos wrote: Could you explain your current reads in full? I'll give you my opinion on them. Yeah I didn't notice the yamato point in rayn's filter since it was so huge until Hapa brought it up. I only added it to my notes after Hapa mentioned it. Not really sure what's unclear here. Basically you were wavering on Rayn and finding it hard to read him so missing out the point about yamato which is now a major crux of your scum read just doesn't add up to me. Like if it is now such a big deal how did you miss it before. | ||
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Town - Dam,GB,Turtle,JAT,VA,WoS,rayn,Hapa Scum - Yam,Xat null - Onegu Obviously one of town reads is wrong but for d1 i like to make a big town circle and eliminate from there. | ||
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On August 24 2014 01:34 WaveofShadow wrote: SO you really completely re-evaluated your read on me based on one post? I'm not a huge fan of how all of your reads seem to be entirely based on whether they agree with you or not. Pretty terrible heuristic imo. Also VA do I detect a hint of tryhard? You scum? No it wasn't one post, I checked your filter and I liked your points about Dama, I also think you brought up some points about yamata which I agreed with. I think your post and your vote were good so you are definitely not a lynch for me today | ||
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Otherwise why are Hapa and Rayn both in my town list. | ||
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On August 24 2014 01:50 WaveofShadow wrote: My points about Damdred were before I left early yesterday and after you had continued to call me scum since. The Xat point is something I've been dwelling on, btw. I don't know what this mafia tools shit is, but to me it looks like it should make Xat all-but-confirmed town. Otherwise the +4 is and always has been fishy. I may end up attempting to ignore the copy paste thing and filter diving him as well. Yeh at the time the Dam read felt weak and generic but he as shown recently that he does tend to disappear or stay quiet around important topics. So in hindsight that was a pretty good read from you. I still think Dam is town but your read of him was from a town perspective imo | ||
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On August 24 2014 01:55 WaveofShadow wrote: I forget the exact quote but something BH said a while ago about 'you have to look at the meaning behind the facts?' lol Reads themselves don't mean shit. Assuming you're town, it would be so easy for any scummer in this game to see that you have a hardon for people who read the game in the same as you and just float along. What is important is in the thought process and how they arrived at the same conclusions as you. Yeah your Hapa/Rayn thing being town is a little different and I'm leaning towards the same thing (unsure on Hapa still tbh) but a lot of the time the main points you bring against people (me earlier in the game, Damdred for example) are solely based on your conclusions versus theirs. It's been bothering me ever since you started doing it because in theory it's an easy way to pocket people. I agree, but for D1 I think it is an accurate heuristic | ||
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so for example. I like you because you have the same read on yamata but also you offer some insight into why you have the read and it didn't feel like you were sheeping anyone else so it felt towny to me. | ||
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On August 24 2014 02:02 WaveofShadow wrote: What do you consider sheeping? Is it something town or scum do? When and why? Sheeping is what I think Yam and Xat did with the Hapa read because they didn't really add anything to the original points and just hopped on a bw. It feels scummy to me. They do it if they want to push a ML. | ||
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On August 24 2014 02:07 WaveofShadow wrote: Alright, say you're town and have no strong reads at the end of the day. You have a near-confirmed-but-not-quite townie on your team. How do you vote? If by the end of the day I had no strong reads I would probably just suicide for being useless. In all seriousness yes I would probably vote along with the confirmed town.. Was that the case in this situation? It was not near the end of day and it was the FIRST post Hapa had made, he was nowhere near confirmed. Dam what is your read on WoS now? | ||
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On August 24 2014 02:18 Xatalos wrote: I'd like explanations as well but I'll go with this and examine the similarities and differences. Apparently a big reason for you to scumread me is that our "reads are different" so this should at last put your argument to rest. GB/turtlevine - obviously agreed WOS/Hapa/jat - agreed Damdred - somewhat agreed but I think there's a chance he could be scum - definitely not for the reasons rayn mentioned though, and not a lynch candidate for now - town? VA - apparently serious VA = scum VA, I don't really know VA that well but I wouldn't at least townread him so easily - scum? rayn - pretty hard to townread him when he's constantly brought BS arguments against me, ignored his own strategy to read me (probably because it would just make me look good), softpushed / validated his reads from the thread, pushed a REALLY bad case against Damdred etc. - scum yamato - useless yamato isn't necessarily scum yamato, and I think he's shown some of his townie characteristics... with that said his continued lurking and making these quick useless posts here and there doesn't look good so I'm not very confident to call him town anymore - nullish Onegu - I think his entrance to the thread was good, not a fan of his repeated questions about the Masons though - town lean still Overall if we ignore GB/turtlevine, we agree on 4 out of 8 reads and the only significant difference is rayn/VA. Why do you townread VA btw? I think I posted about it earlier On August 23 2014 07:30 KelsierSC wrote: I think Dam is town for D1 and there are better lynches. So I was going to add that All vayne has done was make some dumb jokes and then tell people they have derailed the game or you have messed up the thread ahhh. without really giving reads himself and i didn't like that. But now I think his read is kind of accurate, I don't agree I think Dam is down, But I will take Vane off the table for a D1 lynch. As for the reads I still don't have enough to read Onegu to be honest and the rayn , yamato, Hapa interactions is the real thing I am focusing on right now and we just read that situation totally different and you came off scummy to me. | ||
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On August 24 2014 02:22 Xatalos wrote: In fact Hapa only added one argument against rayn and I have several more. I think Hapa posted about the yamato question, and him flipping around on people. you added the dama interaction, which i didn't think was that scummy. Point is you only posted you thought he was scum after Hapa did and AFTER your original notes which rayn as like a null with a town point . | ||
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On August 24 2014 04:25 Xatalos wrote: He's really obviously a smurf with a lot of experience (Prome? not sure but someone good anyway) + he's basically confirmed as town. These points combined lead me to at least show some level of respect for his play, so perhaps I should revisit my townread of Hapa. Well, Hapa just returned so I hope to see more from him from now on. Maybe yamato deserves a lynch if he keeps popping in and out of the thread without offering much of anything. It's also not a loss even if he ends up town. I still feel like rayn is scum here and I haven't seen anything to really make me feel otherwise. If you are now unsure of Hapa you have to be unsure of rayn because of how hard Hapa went at him. Also you need to respond to JAT's point, why do you not have an issue with WoS's question? | ||
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On August 24 2014 04:29 Hapahauli wrote: As for Xatalos... the 14 pages makes me think he's town. That seems mind-boggling for mafia to do - it's a different level of activity all together. I could definitely go through his filter and nitpick stuff (as have others), but I would find it incredibly difficult for Xat to maintain this level of activity as mafia. Hell I would be impressed if *anyone* had 14 pages on Day 1 as mafia. He can just mimic his town game which is to post a lot of "confused town" nonsense and give everyone a null read. I literally think one of his posts was "hmmmmmmmm" | ||
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On August 24 2014 04:44 Hapahauli wrote: Well all of Rayn's reads are based of me being mafia and all mafia therefore attacking him. When you start with axioms like that, it's not weird for me to disagree with him. And what I don't understand is... if I was mafia, why wouldn't I just keep pushing him? I'd have a really good shot of lynching him between the two votes already on him, myself, and yamato. Instead I backed off and drew a shitton of unnecessary attention on myself. Yeh this is why I read hapa as town. | ||
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Yamato was his town read for a long time. But now he goes full against him being scum. Yeh I agree but it just seems such a big switch. Considering Xat said he still has Hapa as town and still has rayn as leaning scummy how can be against someone who had all the same reads as him. I think Yam is mafia here for sure but Xat is just bussing him to get some credibility. | ||
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On August 24 2014 07:40 Xatalos wrote: If you think so then vote yamato. Doesn't matter to me if you think I'm bussing. I want you to explain your logic. You are now sure yamata is mafia but you are pretty sure rayn is scum and hapa is still town. So how can you be sure yam is mafia if you are sure rayn is mafia considering yam went hard against rayn. you have no logical consistency, this is the only consistent aspect of your play. | ||
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On August 24 2014 07:43 Xatalos wrote: I'm more confident in yamato being scum than rayn being scum atm. That's all there is. Besides rayn hasn't *really* even pushed yamato. I think rayn never even voted him, and neither did yamato vote for rayn. Could have been distancing. holy fuck do you really think yamato didn't go hard on rayn? Like read yamato's posts after the first post Hapa made. | ||
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On August 24 2014 07:49 Xatalos wrote: Yes, but still not very hard. And I've often pushed scum as scum D1, then dropped it by the end of the day (like yamato here against rayn). Whatever. I just want to lynch yamato. We can think about connections later. Be scummier holy fuck. | ||
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On August 24 2014 07:51 Xatalos wrote: So are you ever voting for your top scumread, yamato, or not? You and Yamato are both my top scumreads I would happily lynch either of you right now | ||
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But I read you as scum so badly and you are pushing on Yam. Even though he was town for you. And you shared his read on rayn who is still scum for you. Like I would happily lynch over yamato and feel really good about it. So when someone who I see is scum is puhsing hard for a lynch like it makes me uneasy, does that make sense. You need to convince me you are town and you havent fucking done it you could be bussing, yam could be town ( I dont think he is_ but with how eager you are now to push this lynch through and live another day it just screams scum. I cant think of one good reason to keep you for d2 | ||
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Your push on Yam just reeks of a scum trying to survive one more day. You are ignoring a connection between he think rayn is scum, so do you, but now you are sure he is scum aswell. like fuck this you are just horrid. I really think Xat is the lynch over Yam now. | ||
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On August 24 2014 09:13 Hapahauli wrote: You are either the densest person on earth or you're mafia. I just don't like your read that doesn't make me dense or mafia. The read is he is town because he is posting a lot notice he has nothing substantial until his sheep on rayn and then this push on yam, it isnt fucking difficult to mimic your town play if your town play is spamming nonsense and not giving a read | ||
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On August 24 2014 09:13 Xatalos wrote: Did you even look at the filter I linked where I made a hard push on yamato D1 and he was scum? So? that is irrelevant tbh. you seem scummy and your push is illogical. | ||
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On August 24 2014 09:17 Xatalos wrote: If you had ever seen even one of my scumgames you would agree with Hapa. I just don't think your "town game" is hard to mimic. | ||
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On August 24 2014 09:18 Hapahauli wrote: The problem here is that you obviously didn't read any of the games I linked. That and you're lynching a guy with 17 pages of Day 1 filter. Scum can be active, but no way can scum cannot fake that level of activity. In the history of this site, I've never seen someone have that large of a Day 1 filter. Ever. Ok I notice you and Xat are both dodging around the sheer illogical aspect of his play. As for whatever he did in an other game, frankly that is less relevant to me. Also I look for quality in posts not quantity and a lot of his posts are just nonsense | ||
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On August 24 2014 09:19 Xatalos wrote: It's pretty much exactly the same I did when I was town and yamato was scum earlier. Since you mainly scumread me because of this it makes zero sense not to compare it with my earlier play in a similar situation. sick more dodging | ||
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On August 24 2014 09:21 WaveofShadow wrote: KSC I have a question for you. You read me town, correct? And you think Xat is scum. If him and yamato are your strongest scumreads, and I am the leader of the push on yamato, why are you not voting for him? I just don't like this town read being given to Xat by Hapa it feels off Xata feels really fucking scummy and I dont like he is being called town | ||
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On August 24 2014 09:34 Hapahauli wrote: Kelsier you need to answer for this because this makes no sense. You think Xat is bussing his mafia buddy. So how in the actual fuck does it make sense to vote the guy you think is bussing, as opposed to the guy you "think is mafia for sure"? At the time, I felt Yam was definitely mafia, and he probably is. But! Xat had given him a town read. However what I was saying is that yamata thought rayn was mafia ...along with you actually, Xat had the same read as that. So for him to flip so hard on a guy who shared the same read as you and that you called town just reeks of scum. I was basically pointing out logical inconsistency. I will probably vote for yam, just Xat is super fucking scummy aswell and it seems like a bus attempt. My main thing Is I dont want Xat given a town read. Honestly hap you defing Xat this hard is fucking weird as fuck considering how scummy he has played and your "town " reason is shit tier | ||
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On August 24 2014 09:41 Xatalos wrote: So do it please. It shouldn't be a problem since you certainly scumread yamato. you really need to stop doing this, | ||
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On August 24 2014 09:42 Hapahauli wrote: Apparently I'm "shit tier" for using all the information available to me, while you blissfully ignore it. Good to know. Going to hold you to this. you are using selective irrelevant information imo | ||
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On August 24 2014 09:42 justanothertownie wrote: If it is a bus attempt I don't see the fucking problem. he is being given a town read. | ||
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On August 24 2014 09:44 Hapahauli wrote: Looking at both of his scumgames are "selective" and "irrelevant" apparently. And you're the one harping on "logic?" my reasoning uses his poor logic from this game! your reason is that "oh there is no way he could post a lot as mafia" like be fucking real | ||
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On August 24 2014 09:58 Xatalos wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote IAmRobik of course he is mafia, just lynch a town so you survive one more dauy | ||
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xat is mafia hapa is probably mafia aswell | ||
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On August 24 2014 10:11 Xatalos wrote: I may have been mistaken about yamato. yeh me too, I was mistaken about you aswell | ||
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On August 24 2014 10:18 Hapahauli wrote: Kelsier - if you have the time, can you go over the last-minute lynch and draw conclusions about alignments? yep going to do that now | ||
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So that gives me Hap, Jat, GB , Turtle,Xat and Yama as town When I see that yam and Xat had the most votes before the switch. it now seems that day 1 mafia saw town was going down the wrong path and was happy to let things flow. people who gave that impression and are therefore my top scum Onegu - called rayn as mafia when the heat was on him, then did nothing. VA - I gave him an early town pass for his comments on dama but he just let that whole deadline flow with his vote on dama who was never really a likely target. So that means the people I need to kind of decide on are WoS, Dam and rayn WoS - seemed active at the deadline and he felt towny to me, I don't think his vote on Yam was that scummy he seemed to have good reasons for it and would have been my target if Xat and hapa didn't make me feel weird about it. I still think WoS is really town. he also said he would follow Jat if he switched and JAT is town so. Rayn - still seemed towny to me, but he wasnt here for the votes. He had his own meta with Hapa. Probably need to see what he says d2 Dam - I think this is going to be a person i have to evaluate hard. Like I thought he was town but a lot of my top town reads called him scum and he was one of the choices to go to. think hapa said "Robik or Dama" so I need to read his filter before I change. TLDR - Town (JAT,GB,turtle,Xat,Yam,Hap, WoS) Scum (Onegu, VA) unsure but will figure out (Dam, Rayn) | ||
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On August 24 2014 10:48 Hapahauli wrote: @ Kelsier One of the reasons I think you come out of this lynch looking really bad is your post-lynch stuff concerning Xatalos. Right before the lynch: Right after the lynch: This is a problem, because nothing about the lynch confirms Xat as town. You say so yourself in your last post: It's completely plausible for a mafia Xatalos to switch to lynch basically anyone but himself. Yet you went from 'Xat is mafia' pre-lynch, to basically putting him in a town pool afterwards. And this is after talking about how he still feels "off." Explain pl0x. So I think it was obvious that I thought Xata was mafia through most of D1. That is why when the vote switched I was pissed off and said the whole thing was fucking retarded. When Robik turned up mafia my instant thought was that Xat must be town hence my, sorry xat. Just an instant reaction thing. When I started analysing thing I thought that Xat did feel off , Still does feel off and that is why I mentioned that he could be SK. HOWEVER I mention IN THE POST. that SK hunting is not the aim of d2 and we need to be looking at people who didnt vote robik d1 and who seemed happy to sit back. That is why for now Xat is put in the town circle, he voted on the mafia and did type a lot of words. I don't think it is likely for Xat to be mafia. I don't see mafia Xat switching onto his mafia teammate considering the level of suspicion on Xat already. I don't think I come out of that looking bad at all I voted my read for a logical reason. I still think he is off but he is not the lynch today. | ||
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On August 24 2014 11:04 Hapahauli wrote: But, why wouldn't Xat switch onto his teammate? Scum or town, he's expected to switch onto anything that wouldn't get him lynched. I suppose this is possible, I am looking at the last votes again and I see it was going to be Xat or Robik so yeh maybe he just switched to live and buy some credibility. | ||
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On August 24 2014 11:10 justanothertownie wrote: WoS looks bad btw. says he will switch if I do (probably thought I wouldn't) and then didn't. No likey. think he just ran out of time tbh. | ||
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On August 24 2014 11:11 justanothertownie wrote: No, he explicitly said he would not switch in the end. On August 24 2014 09:57 WaveofShadow wrote: No this isn't happening. I will not sheep you onto a target of your choosing. JAT if we switch I will follow you and you only. I still think we need to stay on yamato but I won't risk town not choosing this lynch. | ||
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On August 24 2014 11:12 Hapahauli wrote: So what made you think he was town immediately then? I don't understand what went through your mind between this: ...and this. Robik flipped as mafia. | ||
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On August 24 2014 11:13 Hapahauli wrote: No shit. But what does that have to to with Xatalos? Xat voted on Robik. Like I said I hadn't done a full analysis | ||
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oh I missed that. eh I think that makes him more towny. At that point all the votes were on Robik so if WoS was mafia he would just switch to get some town points. | ||
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Town - JAT, GB, turtle, Hap, Yam, WoS. rayn rayn may be a surprise but i thought he was town all d1, I think his vote and anger at happa was genuine. Xat went hard against rayn and the only read VA gave was a mafia read of rayn. and I think both Xat and Va are scummy. Scum, Va, On, Xat Looking at the voting again, Xat switching to Robik doesn't actually clear him. The vote was between Xat and Robik at the point he switched and it looked like a desperate attempt to gain credibility and avoid death. He felt off as fuck d1 and so I still read him as scum/SK Unsure - Dam, | ||
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On August 24 2014 20:18 justanothertownie wrote: I don't care. As long as he in fact does start playing. You 2 are both not confirmed from the voteswitch because you both tried to save your own ass but I don't want to lynch either of you so you should maybe not use your time going at each other. The vote switch does confirm yamato town to some extent as he was the first person to vote on Robik. Ff he was scum then he had no reason at that point to switch onto his mafia partner. | ||
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On August 24 2014 22:16 GlowingBear wrote: Not hangover today! I can probably drink more. Anyway, if Robik was really mafia, the probability of mafia being comfortable with those two wagons is high, but not too high. That would put Xatalos and Yamato on the townpile for now. FOR NOW. Checking who Robik called town isn't the best thing IMO. Checking reads on him is more important. Specially if there is someone who scum reads him and then oddly town reads him. We will probably find it in early day1. I'll do that later. By the way, if neither me or turtle dies tonight, night kill will be pretty informative. If you read the end of D1 the switch onto Robik by Xata does not clear him in anyway. I don't think he is going to be a lynch target and the best idea is to lynch outside of the people voted on Robik. However I think studying carefully how Xat plays D2 will be highly revealing to me. | ||
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On August 24 2014 22:50 Damdred wrote: Hey kel why were you going to switch over to yamato at the last minute even though you felt you were voting scum anyway I felt yamato was scum for a long time I said that quite a lot, some of my top town also found him scummy. | ||
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On August 24 2014 23:42 Damdred wrote: Why is everyone trying to explain everything for xatalos? Its quite annoying frankly I'm not a idiot i understand why it has to be the people who didn't go to robik. I didn't ask for that explanation i asked him why those three and to develop cases. @Kel but why switch to yamato you had just as strong a scum read onxata and you thought both were mafia indeed you gave xata a lot more attention in your filter than qnyone else and the chances of his lynch were decent.... I thought Xata was scum, I thought Yamato was scum. If the voting had been different, say it was tied between yam and someone I thought was town then I would have switched over to Yam to make sure that vote went through and mafia didn't force through a ML. I ended up not switching because Xat tried to really push through a lynch on Yam (who he had read town and shared the same reads as) and Xat felt so unbelievably scummy that by the deadline I was thinking Yam must be town. | ||
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On August 25 2014 00:14 Damdred wrote: But kel you said (before the radical vote swing) that you were going to probably switch to yamato from xata now you are making it seem like you weren't comi.g off at all. no that isn't what I was saying at all. I was going to come off him before the voting swing when he seemed scummy D1 and other town players found him scummy. When the voting swing really kicked in Xata seemed super fucking scummy and pushed on Yam so I wasnt going to change at that point. | ||
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On August 25 2014 00:10 GlowingBear wrote: Lynch him. Early town pass for Robik with shitty reasoning / n1 says we should focus on people who are not in Robik's lynch when everybody agrees that this solely isn't a good option. Seemed like a good reason to me. This was really, really early in the game and it seemed like Robik was town. | ||
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1) I still think his early game was town, him and wave had a bit of back and forth but Dam had a very long post where he disputed a lot of what WoS had said. Then rayn jumped in with a similar read to WoS which again Dam disputed, each time I think his responses were good and felt town. 2) He started getting a scum vibe of Xata around the same time I did and he was analysing the Xata, Hapa, Yam attack on rayn the same way I did, this also inclines me to believe he is town. 3) He backed off his scum read of WoS and had a town read of him at the moment when WoS really started playing strong town which felt genuine. I had the same impression of WoS. Another town point. 4) VA gave him a scum read. I think at the time I gave VA a town pass because the read felt towny but considering how VA looks pretty scum to me now. This lends me to believe Dam is town. 5) He voted Xat, Xat is scummy, seems like a town play to me. Early game Dam also said this. No offense to Rob but hes always...not rude but probably blunt is a better word for him, and I don't really think its alignment oriented. This was after I gave Rob an early town read, if Dam is mafia he just shuts up and lets his mafia buddy be given an easy town read. So TLDR I am pretty sure Dam is town. | ||
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On August 25 2014 02:43 yamato77 wrote: I think I did a lot of that analysis already. Yeh you had some similar thoughts but I analysed independently of what you wrote. | ||
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1) It was initially between you and yam so you had no reason to switch. 2) It was then the votes started swinging towards Robik away from Yam so the vote was still between you and Robik. If you stuck on Yamato either you or Robik got lynched so you switching over does not clear you as town at all it just stunk as someone trying to live and maybe get town credibility. | ||
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On August 25 2014 07:02 justanothertownie wrote: That's fair but we aren't lynching Xatalos day2 so you guys should maybe try to analyse something different now. You are beating a dead horse anyways. I am responding to this fallacy from Xat On August 25 2014 06:18 Xatalos wrote: I'm not entirely sure I understand. I suppose your argument is that: 1) Hapa+jat wanted to save me and would have gotten yamato lynched instead of me if I didn't go for Robik too 2) That means I purposefully killed the Mafia Godfather (who wasn't under much of any suspicion before) when I had the option of still going for yamato to mislynch a townie instead 3) This was supposed to take some heat off me, but really it feels like the same people are still suspecting me and the same people are still townreading me How does this make sense as scum Xatalos? point 1 is wrong as Hap specifically said it was between Dam and Robik Xat had every reason to switch to Robik as it stopped him being the lynch. This isn't beating a dead horse it is pointing out incorrect reasoning from Xat. As for analysing something else I already analysed Dam again and concluded he was town, see earlier. | ||
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On August 25 2014 07:07 yamato77 wrote: "Aren't lynching Xat day 2" seems like a bold statement. No one is safe just because they voted Robik. JAT , Yam and Hap are both safe considering they had no reason to go hard on Robik at the time they did. If they were mafia it would be much easier to just push the vote onto someone who was town. | ||
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On August 25 2014 07:36 justanothertownie wrote: When did I say it is only because he voted Robik? Look at Hapas case for xatalos being town and argue against it. If you can't do that we are not lynching him. Hapas case was kinda shitty in my opinion. It was based on Xata posting lots in other games or something it just felt shit tier. I already gave a lot of reasons from THIS GAME why Xata is scum so I would happily lynch him. | ||
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On August 25 2014 07:42 justanothertownie wrote: He has fucking 21 PAGES of filter. Show me one example of a scumplayer on this site that had this ridiculous amount of posts at this point. And that's not even the main point. He posts more careful and structured as mafia. I already explained that it isn't hard for him to mimic his town play. If his town play is to post a giant amount of nonsense. imagine the crazy scenario where a mafia player mimics his town play! OMG SO WILD | ||
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On August 25 2014 07:46 justanothertownie wrote: I think you have no idea how hard it is to be active as scum. And with active I mean having maybe one half of this filter. Well I am sure you and Hapa are town, If neither of you are lynching Xata d2 then I will look elsewhere. For me VA and Onegu are still scummy and would be my lynches | ||
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On August 25 2014 07:58 Xatalos wrote: Btw before you call something "shit tier" you should explain why it's bad. No, "he's emulating his town play that always gathers pressure instead of his safe scum playstyle!" isn't quite enough. are you fucking real I have explained why the read is bad many times I suppose the more you say though the more towny you are right. hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm am i town? | ||
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so I still view Xat, Va, and Onegu as my top scum. I think Onegu is my top lynch for the day mainly because he only pushed on rayn giving a pretty weak reason and at the time when rayn was taking a lot of heat. He was incredibly inactive for the whole game. Xat won't be lynched today due to his vote ( I gave my thoughts on this ) but I think I will just see his whoever he reads as scum and then put that person in my town list. VA seems scummy aswell, I don't like how he was inactive at the deadline, or his dam read in retrospect. Mainly I think not voting Rob and being inactive makes you scummy considering that the pressure was misplaced (yamato, dam, rayn) | ||
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On August 25 2014 09:19 Xatalos wrote: I'll evaluate my reads based on what happens here + night kills. I'm still not completely sure who I want to lynch. shocker | ||
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On August 25 2014 09:31 WaveofShadow wrote: Oh ugh is that really his explanation? Doesn't explain why he didn't switch over earlier on, say, before he though yam must be town. And actually did KSC even mention anywhere that he was doubting his read on yamato? The vote was between Xat and Yam who "earlier" I both thought were scum and I was happy with my vote I had no reason to doubt my yam read until Xat really went balls deep on the lynch yam train which happened really close to the deadline. | ||
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On August 25 2014 09:41 WaveofShadow wrote: Actually I can't even concentrate now. I'm really angry at the misrepresentation here. Funny you seem to have a knack for messing with people this game. The 'suspicions' you mentioned from pages 5-6 of my filter? (in no particular order) a) I had a townread on rayn the entire time I was 'antagonizing' him b) the quote about JAT is a reference to our last game together and a joke. It should have been pretty fucking obvious if you'd look through the entirety of my filter that nowhere do I EVER suspect JAT c) I respect Prome's reads a great deal. if it was him making a read on you it means I should go have a look back. I don't see anything wrong with that at all d) Xat was/is suspcious. end of story e) VA is VA Particularly egregious are the first couple points. The fact that you'd try and lump those into some idea of me 'throwing shit around' is completely ridiculous and looks like you're just trying to fit things into a weak scumread of me that barely exists. I didn't originally think the case you made against rayn was terrible, just that you were wrong, but now that you've done one against me? It's fucking terrible. You're not terrible. Like honestly hapa what is with you this game? What about his point on the timing. the break then "who are we lynching?" then going at yamato. | ||
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On August 25 2014 09:45 WaveofShadow wrote: Hapa, I picked my strongest suspicion and rolled with it. Pretty fucking simple if you ask me. The 'who are we lynching' was meant because the thread had no aim at the time. If you look at the post directly before i left the thread I talked about consolidation then too. Since my vote is on yamato, and the thread had no aim, I started pushing everyone towards my strongest scumread, yamato. Is that not completely fucking obvious to everyone? Am I in the fucking twilight zone here? Yeh Wave is town, Hapa you are wrong about this | ||
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On August 25 2014 09:46 turtlevine wrote: I'm here to back up GB's reads and handle filter dives and cases for him. The two reads we're talking about are Rayn and Kelsen, with xat secondary Rayn : There is no way Hapahauli and Rayn are both town, considering their interaction. The thread got really shit-flingy and really bad, and as townies they'd both want things to remain at least comprehensible. So, one of them must be instigating scum, or both. They could both be scum, because one could be SK and the other could be mafia. They've both both shitty arguments to call out each other, which strikes GB/me as odd. Another thing, is that Hapa oddly unvoted rain after making an entrance with a big case. GB finds this interesting because once, in an obs QT, Hapa said that as mafia, GB should've tried to make a mroe remarkable post-- not being remarkable in any way at all is bad as scum. The awareness of this tactic means he could subvert the trend and make a big post as scum. Hapa's quick join onto Robik ( as opposed to a delayed join once it was working) means that Hapa is definitely not mafia, though he could be scum. So, if we believe one of Rayn/Hapa is going to be scum, it should be Rayn. Side note is that Onegu's tunnel on rayn is very suspicious and a clever way of avoiding talking about other things. If rayn flips town, Onegu is more likely to be scum. I'm going to be quick on Xat. You know that his jump wasn't a clincher, and that he could have done whatever as scum. He could also be the SK. we can't rule him out on that. KSC: this is a bit of a tough nut to crack, but here's the basis for our case. Note that at the start of the day, KSC votes Xatalos. This is OK. This is what you would think. His reasons are not very good. but they are reasons. Look at how else he treats xatalos though. He talks a bit later about how Xat is on his list, but he doesn't lay on the syrup as much as you would expect for a serious push. What shows he is scum is how he acts bout Xat. Right after the deadline, after the flip, he apologizes to xat. Then he says Xat is town. Thats good. But then afterwards, he says, "xat could still be sk" and this is still kind of reasonable. He explicitly puts Xat in his town list, then moves him back to his scumlist, and isn't very clear on his reasons about this. this flipflopping on xat is very unusual. Either Xat is showing characteristics of an SK, or he isn't. None of this is in reference to things Xat did after the deadline, it's just KSC changing his opinion. It's plausible that this is a legitimate change of heart. GB and I do not think so. It appears opportunitistic. Rayn and KSC. that's our lynch choice for tomorrow. yeh you can fuck with with pretty much all of your reasoning on me. If at any moment during the day you think I didn't want to lynch Xat or didn't read him as scum you are absolutely fucking delusional. My reasons were always consistent and I pushed him right to the end. He was scum as fuck and I maintain that If you actually fucking read the thread I explained my reasons for my changes on Xat. Robik flipped mafia it was a legitimate instant thing where I assumed Xat must be town. BUT after analysing, looking at the vote and listening to Hapa's reasons I felt happy putting him as scum again. the votes do not exonarate Xat in anyway from being scum, he feels scum as fuck, I put him right back in the scum/SK list. There is no reference to after the deadline because my reasons weren't based on what did Xat did after the deadline. It was based on a more rigorous analysis of the votes. Also calling it opportunistic is dumb as fuck considering Xat won't be lynched today. Seriously fuck off. | ||
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On August 25 2014 09:54 Xatalos wrote: You seem to confuse correct and town a lot in this game though... you seem confused this entire game | ||
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if you think I'm scum you can basically call Xat town. Saying he could be scum/sk but calling me scum is just shit | ||
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On August 25 2014 10:05 turtlevine wrote: Wow, they shot rayn. heh, looks like good news for me and gb. guess scum and sk tried not to overlap and got to fancy. I'm no longer reading what you're writing, because it is unpleasant to do so. Just noting that the last two scum don't have the same alignment, bro. There's nothing stopping your inconsistent logic from happening to coincidentally be right, so stop shitting a brick hopefully you read the previous post where I show your points against me are terrible. | ||
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On August 25 2014 10:10 turtlevine wrote: gb and I spend some time speculating, breathing, living, waiting for death we expected nothing but bullets, until we thought-- what is the position of the shooters? obviously we must die. Scum would shoot us. but also, after losing one of their number, they dare not overlap. their hands tremble at the thought, torn between twin fears of our lives and deaths in singleton rather than paired. ironic, then, that their fear is not death, but the waste of it, for every not-kill is another chance given to the town. woefully, they turn their guns away from the confirmeds, each hoping the other has more courage than he. and each finding himself alone Hopefully you do a lot more as town this day. | ||
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On August 25 2014 10:12 turtlevine wrote: oh, is someone salty about the outcome of the last night, or perhaps of the day previous? I hope the actions so far have not proven too grievous (to your cause) ##vote KelsierSC You haven't responded to me destroying your entire argument | ||
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On August 25 2014 10:13 turtlevine wrote: It was GB's idea, he didn't even explain why KSC was scum, or even mention the read in our Mason QT. I just felt like given that we might potentially both die, I have an obligation to write a case for him since he couldn't be around to write it himself. I did what I could! I'm sure he'll show up shortly with an even better case. and that is enough to vote on me be fucking real | ||
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On August 25 2014 10:17 Xatalos wrote: Well here go my current thoughts in a quick summary: Masons: GB, turtlevine Probably town / not scum at least (possible SK?): Hapa, yamato, WOS, KSC Lynch candidates: VA, Damdred, Onegu Onegu was added to lynch candidates because his lurking is disturbing and his push on rayn was suspicious considering that he *should* be good at reading rayn, but he didn't really add much to the rayn case and disappeared for the lynch. And now to sleep. I think Dam is town. I am only going to be voting on Xat, Onegu or VA today. Everyone else is town. | ||
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On August 25 2014 10:26 WaveofShadow wrote: So you've got 2 scum and an SK in there? Yeh I think so. I will evaluate as the day progresses but I won't vote outside of those 3 For now I see everyone else as town. | ||
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First point, is this a claim to his role? On August 23 2014 01:03 VayneAuthority wrote: also wave i have one question for you there are three stones, one large, two small. The large one is concave and the smalls one are different in diameter by 1 cm. They are both arrowheads. Which one do you throw through your neighbor's window? So I think VA was pretty poor yesterday. He had a read on Dam which he gave after WoS had given it and then he voted on Dam. I gave him a town pass for this but he just left his random vote on Dam and didn't bother doing anything around deadline. He then mentioned I am some one that actually DOES read filters (90% of what I do when im around) could you point me to what you think is an insightful contribution so far? I'm more seeing just a lot of agreeableness and general wish washyness. Im not rayn here and challenging you to a gauntlet. I don't see a great deal of filter diving and I have no analysis, I know a role tries to hide but I don't see any filter diving apart from some weak stuff on Yam and Hapa who are both probably town. Another thing I didn't like was that he mentioned he was annoyed with how hapa "disrupted the game" or made "the thread go to shit" obviously hapa had the wrong read on rayn but I just don't like posts about "ahh the game has been ruined" For me, he could just have been hiding as a role but he should have been more active especially around the deadline. He was never going to be a NK so he had no reason to disappear. So then we come to the claim itself. Firstly he had no reason to claim there. His "role block" revealed no useful information apart from Dam was not SK. There was pressure on him undoubtedly but if he had just given some decent reads and done some of the filter diving then it may have been enough to get us to look at other people. Secondly. Why the hell use role block in that position. he was never going to be a NK so he could have had a really useful check on someone. Thirdly. I think checking Dama was reasonable, he is a question mark for a lot of people but again I don't like you used RB. Fourthly. I don't know how the math on roles work but I imagine jailkeeper, confirmed masons and then one more town power role is the likely case. In which case if anyone is a real role with a check then it might be worth coming out. | ||
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On August 26 2014 01:51 turtlevine wrote: what do you mean, scum didn't kill rayn? how did he die then, if not via scum? You think a vigi shot him? SK, obviously | ||
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On August 26 2014 01:56 turtlevine wrote: "Sorry, there's no salt on this bagel, just NaCl" I don't understand you at all | ||
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But I pointed out with the roles that there is probably one town power role left, considering no one has counter claimed him then I don't see why we are so keen to lynch a PR. | ||
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In your notes you have your top town or unlynchables to include Dam, Yamato and WoS. Now all of these people kind of suspect Hapa to be SK and don't really like him at all. Now also Hapa is lower on your town list and you yourself even suspect him as the SK. So why do you want to lynch VA in this case when Hapa is pushing for it. Also considering there is no counter claim and you point out things that make the claim potentially genuine. | ||
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On August 26 2014 06:26 Xatalos wrote: I only suspected him a bit. If I really suspected him, I'd be pushing to lynch him. Besides even if he's the SK he could certainly be pushing scum VA to be lynched (like he did with Robik earlier). But your top town consider him to be SK more than a bit. Doesn't that make you pause for thought? I think SK trying to lynch mafia in this case is highly unlikely | ||
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On August 26 2014 06:31 Xatalos wrote: I don't think SK would be aiming to NK Mafia right now but I don't really see him risking himself to deflect a lynch on a potential scum. Doesn't sound very sensible. I don't understand how the second part of your statement makes sense Also I just don't understand how you can believe Hapa so much and vote on VA when your top town consider him the SK. | ||
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On August 26 2014 06:37 WaveofShadow wrote: Because top town consider va scum too? The fuck? Why does it or SHOULD it have anything to do with what he thinks of hapa? The point is the moment you decided to switch onto VA the topic of discussion was mostly about Hap being the SK. Which you had in your notes and which the top town believed to be true. You pointed out some reasons why the claim might be genuine. then hapa made another point about VA and you said "oh yeh VA is probably the lynch" And I just can't get my head around your logic. Hapa pushes for VA and you jump on it despite the fact that you defended the claim to an extent, and the top town believe Hapa is off. | ||
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On August 26 2014 06:42 WaveofShadow wrote: Oh wait, did you think you were talking to xat? yes I did sorry | ||
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On August 26 2014 06:44 WaveofShadow wrote: I think in the end you need to stop using associative shit so much and decide who YOU think is scummy and vote for them. If VA is scummy it shouldn't matter who else brought shit up. I would like Xat to answer | ||
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On August 26 2014 06:52 Damdred wrote: Quick question statement: Some of the thread won't lynch into a PR claim such as VAs when it does make a bit of sense. Why is it horrible here to CC him if you are blue? A 1:1 trade is not the worst thing when we already have confirmed other roles and mafia would be down to 1. It is conceivable that the other PR has a check on rayn, which would not be surprising considering he was a question for a lot of people and was an unexpected NK. | ||
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On August 23 2014 01:03 VayneAuthority wrote: also wave i have one question for you there are three stones, one large, two small. The large one is concave and the smalls one are different in diameter by 1 cm. They are both arrowheads. Which one do you throw through your neighbor's window? | ||
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I looked at the claim again. I already mentioned I did not like the way VA played D1 he was pretty lurky and just left his vote on dama but he could have been PR trying to hide. With the claim itself.. I can't see any reason for scum VA to claim there. I think scum VA just gives some towny reads and tries to give a town impression and he could easily put the lynch elsewhere. The action, if he is cop, was so wrong that maybe he could be town. I think a mafia fake claim just says "i checked rayn, he had suspicion on him for lots of d1 and he wasn't around for votes" perfectly reasonable. Like I said, I can't see a reason for VA to fake there which makes me feel the claim is real. Furthermore, he is an Un CC PR. No way am i voting into that like are you fucking real. A final point is I don't like some of the people pushing this VA vote. I will explain that now. I analysed the rayn NK, who benefits? well someone who reads rayn as town, and also said they think rayn is town. when I look through all the people who did this it makes me look at Hapa in a different way. He came out with his rayn is mafia post and possibly he did this to help him read rayn, he then backed off and started calling rayn town. I don't like his town read on Xat and some of my top town have called Hap SK. I need to look at Hap again properly but I don't like him anymore. So two people Xat and Hapa have voted on SK. I think Xat is scum and Hapa could be SK. I really don't like voting on someone that these two vote on. I said I would vote on Xat, Onegu or VA. I don't want vote on VA anymore I think he is just an...unorthodox JoaT I think Xat is scum I would happily vote on him. I have tried to convince town how scummy this guy is and you either agree with me or not. The only way I switch off this guy is to stop a ML by switching onto Onegu. don't know what Onegu is doing, he has said nothing, wasn't around for votes. I would lynch this guy aswell. ##Vote Xatalos | ||
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On August 26 2014 09:54 Damdred wrote: I'm amazed not that i don't think xata is scummy but you agreed he wasn't the lynch and yet you waste your vote....why exactly? At the start of the day I said he wasn't the lynch But with Recent developments with regards to Xata and Hapa pushing on VA and further analysis of the claim and NK's. He is just much scummier than anyone by miles. Onegu is probably mafia but in my opinion he is more of a coinflip right now than Xata who is 100% mafia. If it comes to lynching onegu and someone who I think is town then I will switch but otherwise I have no reason not to vote my top scum read. read my filter for recent developments on why Xata is scum. | ||
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On August 26 2014 10:22 WaveofShadow wrote: Once again, I don't see how you can pick and choose like that. I am also pushing VA. Why is it scummy for them to do so and not for me to? Why is it just because they are voting for someone that immediately it is a bad lynch? You think mafia want to lynch other mafia players? | ||
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VA is a bad lynch, Onegu would be a good lynch. I have made my point on Xata and just want it out there how scummy I think he is. I don't understand why you think I am super scummy when I have been consistent and logical with my reads. | ||
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On August 26 2014 11:24 GlowingBear wrote: Horrible shift, man. Horrible. Just because top townies says they don't think Xat is mafia, why would you change your vote solely on that? If you have a scum read, you have to push it firmly! How's people judging VA's claim now? I've just got home, can't catch up because I'm awfully tired. No it's not a horrible shift at all considering I have called onegu scum multiple times. I have pushed the case on Xat for the whole game , people know where I stand, if he is not the target or under consideration then I am not leaving my vote there. | ||
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On August 26 2014 19:44 Xatalos wrote: I'm amazed how I'm "100% mafia" when I've 1) lynched Mafia D1 2) played exactly like I always play as town 3) been the most active player in the game (like usually as town) 4) showed a lot of interest in who actually gets lynched D1 (which I never do as scum). 1) your vote doesn't clear you at all. Firstly you were basically saying "let's kill yamato, who is noe clearly town, then when it was down to wire it was either you or Robik so you switching means fuck all. 2.3.4) All the same point. I responded to this many times. Your town play is not hard to mimic as scum, Most of what you write is meangingless confused waffle. | ||
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On August 26 2014 19:50 Xatalos wrote: Blues should not claim because VA is clearly getting lynched regardless. VA had no reason to fake claim, why not give some reads, be more active and convince people you are town that way His use of the role was bad and a fake claim had much easier outs. He is un cc'd Like how hard you are pushing this just adds to the scum reasons. | ||
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On August 26 2014 19:50 Xatalos wrote: KSC: if you just dislike my vote being on VA, then shouldn't both of the Mason votes on VA make you think of something? turtle doesn't read the thread. I don't think GB is that good honestly | ||
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On August 26 2014 19:54 Xatalos wrote: 1) Damdred seems to believe that I could have saved myself by keeping to push yamato. I'm not 100% sure about that but I would certainly take that opportunity as scum (considering I was already under heavy suspicion and Robik wasn't even really suspected until then). Hapa+jat had sworn to keep me alive after all. 2) We must agree to disagree then. If it was so easy to mimic, I would play like this as scum. But I don't. I personally think Dam is wrong about that, looking at the votes it was between you and yamato and then people switched off YAM and onto Robik. so you had to switch to not die. | ||
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On August 26 2014 19:57 Xatalos wrote: Honestly how you want blues to claim doesn't look very good for you. Even if you're town it just helps scum/SK to bluehunt (the ones shouting for blues to claim probably aren't blues themselves unless they're just trying to heavily WIFOM haha). the first 2 reasons? sick dodge | ||
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On August 26 2014 19:59 Xatalos wrote: There was a high chance that Hapa+jat would switch back to yamato to keep me alive though. meh that wasn't how I viewed it, they both switched onto robik with only about 30 seconds left and then you switched after them. Like I said the vote doesn't clear you at all. You basically just voted the other lynch target that wasn't yourself to avoid death. The fact that this has been explained multiple times to you but you still think it clears you as town is baffling. | ||
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But one of the main reasons I am not voting on VA is because Xat and Hapa are doing it. I don't really give a shit about anything turtle does at this point. He is confirmed town but his reads or votes are meaningless. Same with GB i just don't think he has looked at the game properly. By the way before anyone jumps on this being inconsistent with my "assosicative playstyle" GM and turtle are confirmed town by roles but their play has not impressed me and they dont read or analyse the game the way I do, for this reason I do not put much stock in their votes or reads. When people like Dam or WoS give a read I take it more seriously because I think they have played in a town way and they seem to read the game in a similar way to me. "But WoS voted on VA why don't you?" as I mentioned I have my own specific reasons to not vote on VA. | ||
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On August 26 2014 20:06 Xatalos wrote: I don't think it necessarily clears me, as I already explained that I don't fully agree with Damdred's view of the situation. I think it was too chaotic to know the outcome for sure. I'm just saying that as scum I would have taken the risk of keeping my vote on yamato (Robik was GF and not really suspected until then, so he'd have better chances of staying alive and winning at LYLO - especially if he got a green Cop check or something). At least it should slightly improve your image of me. Not that it hugely matters to me what you think at this point since you're extremely tunneled. He was suspected he had the majority of the votes when you switched | ||
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On August 26 2014 20:11 Xatalos wrote: It wasn't based on a case or anything though. Just a coinflip because it felt like both me and yamato could be town. You had no real credibility you think in the remaining 20 seconds you make a powerful post that takes them back off Robik and onto yam. be real. it was 4 robik 3 on you when you switched, stop trying to use the votes for credibility it just makes you scummier. | ||
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On August 26 2014 20:16 Xatalos wrote: I think you're town based on your persistence / lack of care for your own appearance, but I'll just say that your "associative playstyle" sucks It would have merit if you based it on confirmed associations (confirmed/dead players), but it seems like you do exactly the opposite (you only put value on reads of unconfirmed+alive players). That's not how you play the game. It just creates a huge loop that feeds your confirmation bias over and over.did you just ignore everything I just wrote | ||
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On August 26 2014 20:18 Xatalos wrote: Whatever, I'm fine not talking about this topic. So you think Onegu is the best lynch today? Can you convince everyone of that? Because just voting him doesn't do that much. Sure I will lay down my reasoning. At this point the vote has to be between VA and Onegu. I explained my reasons why the claim is genuine. 1)He was in a position where he did not have to fake claim. 2) He had easier outs if he was fake claiming 3) no CC Then I look at the people pushing this vote. Hapa is a likely SK candidate, he wants to get rid of town at the moment. Xata is scummy as fuck and wants to ML town. GB and turtle I don't think they are reading the game very well at all. I wonder how deep WoS analysed the claim, he said the claim was bad mainly because VA didn't use the cop role, if you look past that though WoS you can see that no mafia would claim this strangely. All of that is in defence of the VA is the PR. So then we come to Onegu. He showed up when people were scum reading rayn and threw some other dogshit onto the fire along with...wait it was Hapa and Xat again. obviously the reads were horse shit as rayn flipped VT. Then he disappears at the time he disappears I think the pressure was on rayn and then on yamato so he had no reason to interject as town was going to ML somehow. So for Onegu he had a bad, BW read on town. . He disappeared when it appeared town was going down a bad path. | ||
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On August 26 2014 20:28 Xatalos wrote: I know for sure that I'd be sheeping KSC's views all game as scum. Such an easy ally to gain just by sheeping him. don't insult me it takes more than sheeping a read for me to view you as town proof is in your own question. as you state, why do I view WoS as town if he disagrees with me? Read my filter I explain why WoS is town. | ||
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On August 26 2014 22:12 GlowingBear wrote: A) I don't get why you assume one of they will be lynched. Easy targets. Are you trying to force us to believe we should lynch onegu? B) There was no easier out. If he claimed cop, he would be easily counter claimed by a possible cop. Who the hell would counter claim such a rare role as JOAT? C) Lol so you're hunting the SK instead of mafia, it seems. He probably is because he is not in your mafia qt right? D) you're trying to discredit our gameplay a lot. We are surely not playing this game well and I said that already, but when people talk about us they are trying to tell you that we are confirmed townies so it's easier to believe in our reads than to believe in someone suspicious. You're trying to discredit too much our gameplay. Is that because you're mafia and we were on the right path? E) This "no mafia would do" isn't good. Check my Arnie's game. ##Vote: KelsierSC You're mafia. Yeh you are fucking retarded or you just don't read properly. Va or Onegu are the targets for the lynch, they seemed scummy and inactive D1, they were not there for deadline , they seemed happy to let town wonder, they did not vote on robik. He can claim JoaT and say he checked rayn during the night. Like I have said this multiple times. I am not "hunting" SK, but my top town don't trust Hapa I can believe he is the SK and I don't think SK would be wise to try and lynch mafia at this point. I KNOW SK DOES NOT KNOW if Va is mafia, but if sk is voting for VA it is more likely he thinks VA is town than mafia. Your gameplay has been bad in my opinion. In the night you read rayn and me as scum, rayn flipped town and it is fairly obvious I am town. I don't even know what you are doing today. firstly you think VA is mafia, then I hard defend VA. so you unvote Va thinking he is legit now and then say I am mafia? If I am mafia I would just push on VA. you have no logic which is why I continue to think your gameplay is bad. I don't check old games sorry, your logic in THIS GAME is just flawed | ||
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Xat old games to me are very important if I am part of them, because then I have a sense of how the game went and the timings of posts etc. just going to a completed game cold doesn't really help as I was not part of the game,If I know in a game that someone was mafia then I look at all of the posts with that clouding my judgement. Furthermore some of my reads come from how people interact with me specifically. | ||
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On August 26 2014 22:35 GlowingBear wrote: I've already explained that the bolded was my trap card. It worked ok. Oh nevermind, you called me retarded, I will Unvote you now because you're right. ![[image loading]](http://37.media.tumblr.com/e4f28f57c44b2aca4f5dc2313a27045e/tumblr_miyx1jSmEv1qcakl4o1_400.gif) What explanation I didn't see that at all | ||
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firstly you think VA is mafia, then I hard defend VA. so you unvote Va thinking he is legit now and then say I am mafia? If I am mafia I would just push on VA. you have no logic which is why I continue to think your gameplay is bad. I guess you didn't read this part or the other stuff I wrote that explains my reasons and blows your argument out the water. | ||
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On August 26 2014 22:38 Damdred wrote: Then how do you try to figure out Oneg? I looked at his old town games and mafia games to better understand activity levels (even though wave said it was useless) Oneg gave a BW read on rayn when the pressure was on rayn. rayn was town. He then disappeared at a time when town was going down the wrong path, (think town was looking at rayn or yam) He wasn't there for deadline and hasn't posted anything at all. Super scummy. | ||
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On August 26 2014 22:43 GlowingBear wrote: If you're mafia you know he will be useless for now on as you probably have a roleblocker and you can always kill the confirmed town by night. It's more beneficial to mafia now to force a mislynch Onegu (as it looked like you were doing considering your post) and nullify a confirmed and useless (on reads) confirmed town by night. And as you're mafia, you KNOW he is town. Easy to hard defend him. I don't think you can ever consider what I am doing as "trying to force a ML on Onegu", I gave solid reasons why he is scum none of my reasoning was flawed. If i "push" on onegu and he is town that reflects badly on me. If I just quietly vote on VA with the rest of town and he dies then there is no suspicion on me at all because everyone thought he was mafia. I think I was the first person to hard defend VA and his claim. I had no reasons for this. It is painful when confirmed town is this shit tier. | ||
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On August 26 2014 22:50 GlowingBear wrote: I threw random names at night with no readings at all. I thought me or Turtlevine was going to die. So if I posted suspicions that were right, I would probably be killed. If they were wrong, they would probably kill Turtlevine. But they killed Rayn and JAT. This can mean two things: 1) I was wrong on both players, mafia thought masons could have the same opinion and decided to kill a confirmed townie thr was probably on the right track. Tbh I'm impressed that town didn't check his filter yet and didn't try to figure out Robik's interactions on day one. I'm not doing it because I simply don't have the time 2) I was right on you being scum and you shot Rayn so I could do this town association with you. A little WIFOM but it fits my reads on you. woops bad logic again, what a fucking surprise Mafia killed JAT because everyone in the fucking game read him as town and he was so painfully obviously town. SK killed rayn so that means absolutely nothing with regards to me being scum or not. you didn't die because you were an obvious medic save (at the time it was unclear if there was a medic or not) | ||
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On August 26 2014 22:53 KelsierSC wrote: woops bad logic again, what a fucking surprise Mafia killed JAT because everyone in the fucking game read him as town and he was so painfully obviously town. SK killed rayn so that means absolutely nothing with regards to me being scum or not. you didn't die because you were an obvious medic save (at the time it was unclear if there was a medic or not) | ||
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On August 26 2014 23:08 GlowingBear wrote: Find me awkward interactions with Robik and scumreads given by JAT and I might consider changing my vote. Help the retard here JAT had onegu as a lynch target and called me town It was hard for onegu to have awkward interactions with anyone let alone Robik as neither of them posted very much at all. Onegu had the BW bad read on rayn. | ||
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On August 26 2014 23:15 GlowingBear wrote: It is not the basis of my scumread on him. You know I've been pushing on him since his beginning (awkward entrance, town pass for Robik, now this post I've analysed). The WIFOM was secondary and now it looks useless with so much scenarios possible. I see no evidence of you pushing me since the beginning you voted Xat and then you voted Robik You said I threw random names at night with no readings at all So how can you view me as scum. I have countered all your arguments and shown they contain no logic. I still do not understand how you can see me as scum. | ||
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On August 26 2014 22:12 GlowingBear wrote: A) I don't get why you assume one of they will be lynched. Easy targets. Are you trying to force us to believe we should lynch onegu? B) There was no easier out. If he claimed cop, he would be easily counter claimed by a possible cop. Who the hell would counter claim such a rare role as JOAT? C) Lol so you're hunting the SK instead of mafia, it seems. He probably is because he is not in your mafia qt right? D) you're trying to discredit our gameplay a lot. We are surely not playing this game well and I said that already, but when people talk about us they are trying to tell you that we are confirmed townies so it's easier to believe in our reads than to believe in someone suspicious. You're trying to discredit too much our gameplay. Is that because you're mafia and we were on the right path? E) This "no mafia would do" isn't good. Check my Arnie's game. ##Vote: KelsierSC You're mafia. If this is an analysis post I don't actually see how any of your points shows I am mafia. | ||
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On August 26 2014 23:21 GlowingBear wrote: When I say pushing I don't say voting. I say calling you scum and asking you questions. Anyway, I think your responses were okay but they don't throw my arguments against you away. Tell me what you think of hapa. in D1 I gave him a town pass because he gave a read on rayn but then retracted when there was no major reason to retract, it felt like a towny thing. The read on rayn proved to be bad but a lot of people though rayn were scum. I don't like his town meta read on Xata at all. I think you can just look at this game and see that Xata is scummy. A lot of people I think are town seem to be saying that Hapa is not playing his usual town which lends me to think he could be the SK. Another reason why he could be SK is that he can probably read Rayn quite well, he called him out to get a read on him, read him as town. Then called him town so that when rayn flipped it gives Hapa some credibility. I think his voting on VA is probably because he thinks VA is town and wants to get him ML'd. Overall right now, probably SK. Don't trust him | ||
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you haven't countered any of my points against you. | ||
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On August 27 2014 00:03 Xatalos wrote: I think I've countered them many times already. It's your fault if you can't think properly. "I made lots of posts" sick counter argument. I'm not going to rehash here but you best have something better after this day phase. | ||
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On August 27 2014 02:21 turtlevine wrote: Our goal isn't to punish bad behavior or lynch people for making bad plays. Our goal is to lynch scum. You can say "this guy's play is bad and we should punish him for it", but that's not what we're trying to do here. Policy lynching is stupid. People like saying 'Too scummy to be scum'. People like making a show of competence and virtue. They loudly declare that they use logic and reason to lynch people, that these things are the best. People strut around showing off their reasons and denying those of us who use our guts, each person one-upping the other, claiming their allegiance to the broken system like politicians each claiming to be more folksy than the last. It rings false to me. "Too scummy to be scum" DOES exist. Something about this VA lynch has been gnawing at my gut all day, some intuition is telling me that we're not lynching scum here. It's a certain sense of unease resting on me, and it tells me that we shouldn't lynch him. People agree with me. It's true. You all know that something is wrong about this lynch, but you want to appear logical. You're afraid to go with your gut, because if you're wrong, how can you defend yourself in the post game? IF you use logic and fail, you can blame VA or whoever. But if you use your gut and fail, you look silly. I have no fear of looking silly. All I want is to win. I don't care about the post game. Don't play that game. Play this one. Lynch KSC. you haven't explained at all why I am scum. | ||
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On August 27 2014 02:28 turtlevine wrote: I'm saying that you're claiming to be lynching VA for good reasons, but you're mostly doing it because 1) youre KSC's scumbuddy (this is one prevailing theory in the mason qt), or 2) you're too tied up by your show of logical thinking to realize that VA is town. You can apologize to me after KSC flips scum. You realise that GB's "analysis" was absolutely terrible, if you can point to something that was actually scummy I will dispute it but you are just posting nonsense about polticians and your "gut" honestly you just haven't been reading the thread at all. | ||
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On August 27 2014 02:36 turtlevine wrote: OK, let's not focus on my KSC vote right now, let's pretend I'm not voting KSC. My reason for unvoting VA is fine, right? something was gnawing at you apparently, is that the reason? | ||
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On August 27 2014 03:51 GlowingBear wrote: I actually can't damdred. You'll have to check my filter for the reasons I've brought. I'm only be able to be here by deadline. I'm at work now... Hard to speak on a case when there is no case what so ever. I don't see a single reason why I am scum in any of your posts. | ||
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On August 27 2014 05:18 turtlevine wrote: GB thinks that with the many falsified arguments going around, there was great animosity. So much that it couldn't be explained by reasonable townies disagreeing. His original hypothesis was that it was likely that at least one, possibly both were scum. This amount of chaos and bickering is a sign of scum involvement, in his opinion. His hypothesis is that scum is trying to disrupt town? What a savant. | ||
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On August 27 2014 05:29 GlowingBear wrote: Just votes KSC, he is mafia. If he isn't I promise I won't play the game for 1 month and I'll keep hosting to improve my gameplay give a real reason so I can destroy your argument | ||
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On August 27 2014 06:36 GlowingBear wrote: Nope, I don't :/ It's my fault I can't write a comprehensive case on him. I'll try to do that while at night. So you don't have a case on me and won't present a case on me till the night phase...but you want town to lynch me in the day. Confirmed Town, Ladies and Gentleman, Round of Applause please. | ||
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On August 27 2014 06:47 GlowingBear wrote: I'm at work, I can't dive you and bring a comprehensive case on you before night time.. I've already brought arguments while I believe you're scum. But you can keep trying to discredit my gameplay. You haven't brought any arguments for why I am scum that is what people keep trying to tell you. | ||
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On August 27 2014 07:02 GlowingBear wrote: I think things I've pointed out from you makes you scum. NO YOU HAVEN'T HOLY FUCK YOU you just said total bullshit that only half made sense and the other half I refuted easily. | ||
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On August 27 2014 07:18 Xatalos wrote: One point against VA is that he hasn't basically done anything after claiming. One would think that he'd at least try to lead town into the right direction if his purpose was to do that by claiming. But no... He just claimed, went to lurking and hoped for the best...? Yeh that is actually a very good point. | ||
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Today he has been kind of weak but that may change around deadline time. He may be a good lynch. here is my major concern. let's say we lynch hapa who flips town, then onegu is modkilled and he flips town. if masons die in the night and one more town (Va for example). that leaves us with 5 left only 2 of which are town. | ||
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Hear my logic through. So there are a lot of question marks on VA right now, maybe he is the real JoaT..certainly possible, maybe he is mafia. if we lynch someone kind of random like Hapa who might be town then mafia can kill the masons and SK can kill VA, we end up in the horrible 5 man situation I just described. If we lynch VA and he is mafia then that is good. If we lynch VA and he is town then SK has to take a bit of a wild guess when it comes to his kill. maybe he kills a scum either way it gives us some more information. | ||
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we have a final 5 consisting of. Me,Yat,Xat,WoS and Dam we lynch VA and he is town. then onegu dies as town. masons + X die final 5 probably looks like Hapa, WoS, me,Xat and Dam ok we don't lynch VA because in the second final 5 there are no confirmed town. (Yam is confirmed IMO) | ||
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masons + VA dies we have a final 6 of Hapa,me,Xat,Yam,WoS and Dam this might be better | ||
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On August 27 2014 07:44 Xatalos wrote: Hmm... I'm not sure how the NK targets change depending on if we lynch VA or Hapa? Won't they be aiming for the Masons regardless? I thought if you kill a mason they both die? | ||
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Ok then ignore my analysis completely | ||
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if he is scum we get scum, if he is town we will have 7 left. either 2 confirms in that group or 1 confirmed and VA with a check | ||
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On August 27 2014 07:53 Damdred wrote: Except vayne hasn't voted and could get mod killed himself. You both think VA claim is probably right. but you want to kill him anyway when we think we have the sk dead to rights anyway? Yeaaaaa maybe both of you are mafia together since all a sudden you guys seem the best of pals when kel said he'd want to do the opposite of xata maybe the kel wagon has a shot what the fuck are you talking about | ||
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On August 27 2014 07:55 Xatalos wrote: But yeah... The worst case scenario is that we mislynch today and Onegu is modkilled + flips town and we lose 2 more during the night. That would leave us with only 2 remaining town and basically a certain loss. Especially if both the Masons die, it's just hopeless. Although in that situation SK might be aiming at scum since scum would have the advantage in that situation. We'd still be in dire straits. we would have 3 town in that situation I believe. | ||
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10 of us left. we lose 2 town to lynches/modkills we lose 2 town to the SK and the mafia. that gives us 6 left | ||
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On August 27 2014 07:57 yamato77 wrote: How do you guys know how many mafia there are? 3 mafia for a balanced set up with this many players. 4 mafia and a GF would probably be unfair | ||
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But if he does flip town we will be in a position with 6 players left with 3 town, 1 kinda confirmed town (yam) if we lynch onegu then we are 7 players left with 4 town, 1 kinda confirmed. I need to do more math on that but I think the second scenario is better for town. | ||
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On August 27 2014 07:53 Damdred wrote: Except vayne hasn't voted and could get mod killed himself. You both think VA claim is probably right. but you want to kill him anyway when we think we have the sk dead to rights anyway? Yeaaaaa maybe both of you are mafia together since all a sudden you guys seem the best of pals when kel said he'd want to do the opposite of xata maybe the kel wagon has a shot You need to read my analysis on why I thought a VA lynch might work even if he is town ( the analysis was based on faulty logic though) I still think he is real and now I will def not lynch him. I don't think at any point in that I was best of pals with Xat, I was basically analysing to the thread. I still think Xat is scummy. | ||
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On August 27 2014 08:06 Xatalos wrote: Tbh if we mislynch today I think we lose either way (most likely) since we'd be down to around even numbers with scum+SK and scum especially would have a major advantage in that situation. I've been in that situation a lot in SC2 Mafia (the setups there generally always contain 3 Mafia + 1 SK) and I think like 95% of the time town loses. Alright so if we get to this 7.and it turned out onegu was town. Hapa,VA,Kel,Yam,Xat,Dam,WoS VA will have his check and could give us 3 confirmed town or a scum. | ||
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On August 27 2014 08:09 Damdred wrote: I know it is a new concept.... instead of trying to math your way to a win and clutter the thread actually play the game and kill the one likely to flip red or flip sk. I think hapa isn't town so obviously that's where i am I am playing the game, I am figuring out the best lynch. | ||
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On August 27 2014 08:14 yamato77 wrote: STOP THE STUPID THEORYCRAFT IT'S USELESS no it is useful to me. | ||
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On August 27 2014 08:18 yamato77 wrote: because then an extra town dies because you're too pussy to man up and lynch him On August 27 2014 08:18 Damdred wrote: Because VA will probably die tonight and letting the sk go keeps kp at two... Neither of you seem to be understanding so let me explain this for you. Firstly if we lynch Happa and he and Onegu are town then we have lost the game, I don't want that to happen If they lynch VA we then have at least 2 confirmed town and we can pretty safely lynch Hapa the next day. If they don't lynch VA then we have a check on Happa and can happily lynch the SK. | ||
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On August 27 2014 08:25 yamato77 wrote: I don't want to live in a world where both Hapa and Onegu are town anyway True But you have to assume that world is real as town could lose the game right here. | ||
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On August 27 2014 08:32 Damdred wrote: Your case is flawed and deals in what ifs What if va is town and oneg is town and both die tonight what if we lynch oneg to conserve numbers. Sk or mafia kills va and a mason and we are worse then when we started Ok I have to deal in what ifs. because.. "what if hapa and oneg are town and we lynch hapa?...we lose" so if va and a mason die. then we are at 7 with 2 confirmed town and can probably lynch hapa at that point. meaning we would get to 5 with a confirmed town and 2 mafia left. | ||
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On August 27 2014 08:35 GlowingBear wrote: Yamato, look how Kelsen is reluctant regarding lynching hapa. He is worried A LOT on how people see him and works hard to discredit my play. When I say "give me another lynch" or "I want to kill hapa" he mostly dodges this discussion. He is not scum hunting, he is simply defending himself and using cracked math just to say LYNCH THE GUY WHO IS GOING TO DIE ANYWAYS LOL (onegu) You don't really think he is mafia? Really really really? Holy fucking what in the fuck. You really think I worry how people see me, I have pushed all my reads and got into people's face. You just have not been in the thread. I have scum hunted the whole game. I am sure Xat is scum, I think Onegu will probably flip scum but I am dealing in the world where he doesn't. know why? because town potentially loses here. The maths isnt cracked at all you are just so fucking stupid you don't understand...anything I am right now trying to figure the game out so town does not lose. Furthermore if I am scum then either I know oneg is mafia in which case I probably need to kill someone else to reduce town numbers or I know oneg is town, in which case I let him die and try to get a Ml somewhere else. you are so unbelievably bad I would not be surprised if scum just left you alone to run town into the ground. | ||
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GB you still havent presented a case against me so you can just fuck off and die ok. | ||
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On August 27 2014 08:44 WaveofShadow wrote: This except for the 'willing to risk' part. I still can't believe nobody is seeing VA's claim for exactly what it is combined with the rest of his play. yamato what happens when/if hapa comes back and fights this? I explained why I thought the claim was real. | ||
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On August 27 2014 08:52 WaveofShadow wrote: I'm actually very slightly uneasy now that VA is where Hapa chose to park his vote especially if he never comes back. BUT I WILL STAY THE COURSE A VOTE FOR VA IS A VOTE FOR SCUM VA is town for me for the rest of the game Claimed at a point he had no reason to He had easier ways to out "I just checked rayn he was suspect." no CC. at this point with almost no one thinking VA is scum anymore if there is no counter claim he has to be real. | ||
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On August 27 2014 09:01 WaveofShadow wrote: I would say there are certain things I didn't want to talk about in thread for reasons, but I have been considering them all along. And no, this is not me claiming. Yeh I think I got you. | ||
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I will vote again I just want to hear what Hapa has to say. | ||
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you think me and Hapa are mafia together? is that something you really want to have said? | ||
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On August 27 2014 09:08 Xatalos wrote: I looked at Dessert Mini Mafia (where I was scum with Hapahauli) and I think his D2 play here is pretty similar to that game. In that game he also just listed a couple of weak(ish) "scumreads", voted for one of them and didn't do much else during D2. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/392955-dessert-mini-mafia?user=Hapahauli&page=7 The cases also look a bit similar in the sense that they just take a couple of posts from the target's filter, call them scummy and call it a day. Mafia and Sk probably play quite differently though and I think Hapa is Sk most likely. | ||
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On August 27 2014 09:27 GlowingBear wrote: I'm only lynching him because people didn't want to lynch Kelsen. Anyway... maybe because you had absolutely no reasons | ||
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On August 27 2014 09:29 GlowingBear wrote: LOOK HOW CONSOLIDATED THE VOTE COUNT IS, MAFIA HELPED WITH THE VOTES I dont see how this is the case at all. You think I am scum and I did not vote, we already have one scum dead so why can't it just be town voting on him? | ||
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On August 27 2014 09:33 GlowingBear wrote: You activated my trap card. Keep your votes on Hapahauli. If he flips mafia, WoS is the first person you should look at Oh didnt see this. Nah WoS has been saying vote VA all game it doesnt flip your trap card at all | ||
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On August 27 2014 09:36 Hapahauli wrote: Also, Damdred is mafia #2. He's the only guy out of all of you who doesn't seem to understand the inherent riskiness of the "putting all your eggs into lynching the SK" basket. Mafia want to lynch the SK, not other mafia. It is a key objective of mafia to lynch the SK. Look through his play today and it'll be incredibly obvious. Im not sure this is the case at the moment the mafia really need the 2kp considering there is, 3 confirmed town and a potential cop. | ||
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On August 27 2014 09:37 GlowingBear wrote: Yes it flips. If there is any chance of mafia switching their target from a possible partner at the end of the day AND blame someone else for it, that's what they would do. ok I dont know how many 10000000 times i can say this but Hapa is not mafia at all, he is is SK or town. so partner discussion is totally moronic. | ||
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On August 27 2014 09:40 Xatalos wrote: Look at the way how resigned Hapa sounds yet describes the scumteam as he thinks it is. This sounds like he's SK giving up while listing his thoughts on the scumteam. ZOMG CONFIRMATION BIAS....i dont know if i used this right | ||
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A lot of people are calling Hapa SK, at best he has been disappointing town but enough of my top town going along with this gives me confidence I explained earlier that a Hapa lynch is very risky, we are guessing on SK here and if he is town and O is town then we lose. I think it is highly unlikely that they will both flip town so the worst case scenario is we have 3 confirmed town or 2 and a check which is still pretty good. GB is bad I don't know what he is doing. If hapa flips green The person I need to reevaluate the most is dama WoS is clearly town, GB is unfortunately town. VA is real, Xat is scummy still , I might reevaluate but that filter is like a novel. | ||
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typing my long post and didnt see hapa concede. | ||
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On August 27 2014 10:10 Xatalos wrote: Only 1 KP means we can still afford several mislynches. actually, it is mylo tomorrow. | ||
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On August 27 2014 10:14 GlowingBear wrote: HAHAHAHA if it wasn't for me trying to get people out from VA and people on Robik, we wouldn't have hit 2 scums day one and two. I want you dead. Trying to ensure town does not lose does not make me scummy you fucking moron. | ||
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On August 27 2014 10:18 GlowingBear wrote: RAYN WE DEDICATE THIS LYNCH TO YOU OK? <3 Send me telepatical messages if we should kill Kelsier. If you say know, I'll vote for him anyway. well if that is the case it will stop you playing for a month which will do everyone a favour you obnoxious cretin | ||
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It is highly likely that VA will die. If he does we basically have 3 confirmed town Yam, GB (ugh) and Turtle, that puts the final 2 mafia between Xat,Dam,me and WoS I'm obviously town, I think Xat is scummy. I want to give a run down of Xat's d2 play in a seperate post and tell everyone why he is scum. Either Dam or WoS has fooled me. Here is one perspective I have on evaluating this, I don't think mafia wanted SK to die there, with the GF down they needed the 2KP as otherwise town just has too many checks/confirms/lynches. ( I know this makes me seem scummy but I was doing the math there and trying to ensure town did not lose, yes we got Hapa and Yam had a great read on him but that doesn't stop it being a very high risk play and I stand by that. I also gave reasons why Hapa could be the SK. Again figuring out the game and trying to make sure town did not lose is not scummy, it is very town.) So between Dam and WoS I will look for who pushed hard for the Hapa lynch and was not under great scrutiny they are likely town. I will give my view on this when I wake up tomorrow. | ||
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On August 27 2014 10:24 turtlevine wrote: KelsierSC seems awfully mad for a supposed townie playing in a game where all town has done so far is lynch scum... It is maddening when the confirmed town calls you scummy for no fucking reason. Look at his filter. He has nothing on me apart from the fact that "because rayn died it makes me scummy". Even though rayn was shot by the SK who wasn't me like what in the holy fuck | ||
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On August 27 2014 10:29 turtlevine wrote: I'm a little confused. Please don't yell at me here KSC, I really don't understand. If VA dies, why is Yam conftown? Yam voted on GB first and he pushed hard and pretty much led the lynch on Hapa. I don't think you get more confirmed town than that. VA dying doesn't effect Yam being confirmed he is confirmed regardless | ||
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On August 27 2014 10:32 Damdred wrote: I think you will find wave made the initial case on hap. I was on oneg wave was on va. i switched over to hap and started telling everyone to kill the sk. so its....idk bit even but wave called it first yeh I will go over it tomorrow in more detail | ||
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On August 27 2014 10:23 GlowingBear wrote: You mean everyone was voting Hapa by voting VA? Oh, now I get it. Thanks! OH NO YOU CALLED ME SHIT TIER AGAIN ![[image loading]](http://37.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m0krnpYYQa1rrqaigo1_500.gif) no one was voting VA by the end except WoS and Hapa (who was the other person being voted) seriously stop trying to give yourself so much credit when you have so little understanding of the game. | ||
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On August 27 2014 10:41 GlowingBear wrote: Yeah, you're right. No, wait. You aren't. GG kthxbai Well I can read, so yes I am correct. You don;t have a single good reason to call me scum. A simple look through your filter will show someone who has no understanding of the game , doesnt read the thread and has no real reason to push on me. "i cant give a comprehensive reason right now". Your earlier logic is all based on you thinking I am the SK, the logic was bad, and hey I wasn't the SK anyway. Good job. It is sad that this imbecile is confirmed town I truly weep. | ||
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On August 27 2014 10:45 turtlevine wrote: So, not confirmed town at all. Not even a little bit confirmed. Just highly likely to be town. Nah he is confirmed. | ||
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On August 27 2014 11:22 GlowingBear wrote: Ok, please, post a short list like this: Town: Turtlevine Yamato GB Xatalos Wave of Shadow VA Damdred Kelsier see you have time to colour code your shit but you still can't formulate a decent read on me. don't understand your agenda unless it is to be so painfully wrong that mafia won't lynch you. | ||
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On August 27 2014 11:25 GlowingBear wrote: It's based on way I see things, not considering set up. Jesus why are you so butthurt? Because you are just calling me mafia with bad logic and no reasoning. | ||
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On August 27 2014 11:32 Damdred wrote: Kel do you think I'm scum I need to dive you and WoS tomorrow. If you want a quick feeling then yes I think you are | ||
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On August 27 2014 11:41 Damdred wrote: I'm not sure why everyone thinks i'm scum or scummy at this point. Everyone is an exageration but a majority i'll start getting my reads written atleast. I think Dam a lot of it comes down to WoS being frustrated with GB almost as much as I was and you agreeing with his "read" on me, I can't see how anyone in their right mind sees the logic behind anything GB said about me. Like I said I need to analyse properly once I have slept and calmed down. see you tomorrow | ||
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Town - VA,Yam,GB,turt,Kel Scum - Xat wos/dam - need to analyse this. | ||
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On August 28 2014 01:29 yamato77 wrote: GB, it could be dam/wos.They pushed Hapa = SK as hard as me yet they don't have the experience I have playing with Hapa nor were they especially interested in doing anything else yesterday. I think pushing for an SK kill makes you more town than mafia yesterday, mafia needed to keep SK alive. | ||
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You all know my reasons for suspecting him D1. He had no committment to any reads, then sheeped a read on rayn, then tried to force town to lynch yamato. Finally voted on Robik to save himself. Like a lot of the play was inconsistent with logic and felt scummy. So N1 & D2 I want to bring a few things to light. His main arguments for being town . He voted on Robik, this is not a good argument, it was him or Robik of course he switches to save himself. This has been explained to him multiple times, the fact he clings to this defence is scummy. The other argument is this weird meta read from Hapa, again I don't put much stock into the read. Large filter - Ok it is large but a lot of it is just repetition or confused nonsense, I don't like this play at all. I think it is scummy. I had a re read of D2 and a few things jumped out to me. Early on he had the same idea as me to lynch between VA and Onegu. But then he did some things I don't like. I pointed out my analysis of the VA claim and said he was genuine and a few other people were coming to that opinion. Pressure was building on Hapa and he said On August 26 2014 22:10 Xatalos wrote: Yeah it's possible that it's legit. It's a good point that he could have claimed something more sensible like checking rayn instead. Maybe we should just lynch Onegu and wait a bit more with VA. I think we just lynch VA or Onegu today. They both didn't do anything actually helpful during D1, didn't care about the lynch and voted for something random. Onegu hasn't still even catched up with the thread. VA's claim could potentially be real, so I think Onegu may be the better choice. On August 27 2014 07:36 Xatalos wrote: Nah, I think it's just safer to lynch VA overall. I'm going to be so sad if Hapa flips town. ##Unvote ##Vote VayneAuthority Like at this stage in the game, it was clear VA was real, most of the thread thought so I don't think this was the right lynch at all. It seems he wants to try and force the lynch onto VA So he did vote on Hapa at the end, but it was fairly obvious Hapa had given up, furthermore he wanted to try and not lynch Hapa but I didn't really see any justification for it. VA was the safe lynch, why? I also considered this possibility but I had some mathematical (though incorrect) reasoning behind it. The point for Xata is that he had to just go along with town D2 because he had a lot of heat on him D1. I don't see any original ideas from Xata he just seemed to sheep along with the popular opinion. This is the impression I got "VA isn't real lynch him... oh maybe VA is real lets get Onu, oh maybe VA, ok lets get Hapa."Just nothing original at all and just sheeping the top town. I still read Xata as scum. Also GB reads him as town so he is almost definitely mafia. I still need to decide on WoS and Dama. | ||
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On August 28 2014 03:29 turtlevine wrote: How would mafia have known who the sk was though The same way town knew he was SK. I suppose it is possible that Mafia thought Hap would flip town and wanted a ML but I don't think so | ||
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On August 28 2014 03:32 GlowingBear wrote: What I wrote disappeared. I'm pretty sure you're mafia just because you are discrediting what I'm saying. If you can give me a real reason why I am mafia then I might take you more seriously. But so far all your reasoning has been bad and you have shown a continued lack of understanding. Hence I don't trust any read you give. | ||
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On August 28 2014 03:32 GlowingBear wrote: What I wrote disappeared. I'm pretty sure you're mafia just because you are discrediting what I'm saying. you included your incredibly clever and articulate message as part of the quote. Just want to make it clear the end of that quote was not me. | ||
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On August 28 2014 05:41 Xatalos wrote: Do you mean that GB reading me as town makes me scum? Haha No the giant analysis I did of you giving my reasons makes you scum. The other is just a shot at GB for being bad. | ||
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On August 28 2014 05:57 Xatalos wrote: You disregard the major factors pointing to town Xatalos too easily. The fact that my play fits perfectly with my town meta and that I'm the most active poster (which basically never comes from scum, certainly not from scum Xatalos) can't be just ignored with "I don't put much stock in that". Also indecision and switching votes usually points to town. Scum tend to cast their vote and stick with it for the most part (see: Robik, Hapa). It's because switching votes raises attention and as scum you just want to lynch someone, you don't care enough to evaluate your vote target constantly. I just explained why your switching was bad because you just sheeped the popular town opinion at the time. you contributed no analysis. I just think if your town play is just posting nonsense it is very easy to mimic. what points to you being scum is given in my post and you haven't answered this. | ||
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One camp is the Xata and WoS , the other is VA and dam. I think WoS was very hard on VA yesterday, could have been a bus I guess but there was no reason to bus in that position he could just vote on Hapa like the rest of us. Dam has made it clear he is anti Xat calling a lot of your play scummy., again could be a bus but I don't see it. He also made it clear he wasn't voting on VA. In the resolution period I was going to say that Dama had seemed to be going hard on Hapa in the votes and that is the only reason why he is townier than WoS, but if the vote was between VA and Hapa then mafia probably lynches the SK rather than a mafia partner so this doesn't clear dama at all. | ||
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On August 28 2014 09:27 Xatalos wrote: Are you sure you're not discussing the situation in scumQT KSC? GB is that you, please god no | ||
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On August 28 2014 09:35 Xatalos wrote: I'd rather not speculate too much until I see the result. However, Damdred believing my claim makes him more likely town I think. Otherwise he should be against it. oh he posted that whilst I was writing, | ||
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On August 28 2014 09:06 VayneAuthority wrote: thats good that you didnt claim because im not actually a blue. probably just took shot or RB for you so enjoy | ||
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I am curious what that was. | ||
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On August 28 2014 10:08 Damdred wrote: Biggest pile of crap ever va did this in titanic 100% I dont know what titanic means. Yeh VA and Xat doesn't make any sense. obviously Xat would know VA is not cop so Xat claims he knows he is going to be cc'd so VA and WoS/Yamato | ||
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mafia has no reason to kill GB over VA. considering how GB is on the wrong path and the mafia has to think VA is real. | ||
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Means my read on him was wrong but I still maintain I had good reasons for it, he was scummy as fuck. I am only interested in lynching VA today. no reason for a blue to claim there. all he achieved was living another day and he could easily have outed the real cop. | ||
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On August 28 2014 10:20 Xatalos wrote: KSC, how do you go from being confident in VA being town to him being top scum? Considering VA did pretty much the exact same thing as town before. remember the part when you claimed cop. and he didn't die in the night but resends his claim. | ||
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On August 28 2014 10:23 VayneAuthority wrote: its hard to know why im alive, my best guess is they dont see me as a threat to solving the game and GB was lynching mafia left and right. I can't believe anyone actually thinks GB knows how to play this game at all, just look at all the shit logic and no reasoning for calling me scum. Also Yam was the first to vote robik. and it was Yam / WoS who pointed out that Hapa was SK. GB was just a passenger with a delusional sense of self worth, | ||
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my world is that Yam and WoS are mafia together. that doesn't work for me. | ||
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On August 28 2014 10:30 Xatalos wrote: I kind of agree. They seem to be working in tandem to get you lynched while you look just confused and alone. I doubt yamato is scum so what's left is pretty much WOS+KSC. I don't really even know how it would be possible for scum to win if that's the scumteam though... Maybe something like lynch you -> NK me -> brute force a lynch on yamato somehow. working in tandem. Maybe because we are the only people who can actually use common sense, wtf. VA claimed in a position he had no reason to as VT. Like all he does there is not get lynched and maybe get the real cop to out. And now you think, yeh VA must be town because in some other game he did some other stupid fucking bullshit. jesus christ. | ||
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On August 28 2014 10:36 Xatalos wrote: Roleblocker is probably the most common Mafia role. Even if there isn't one, VA's claim was so fishy that it would hardly be a miracle for him to be left alive as a mislynch target. but why the fuck does he do that if he is VT. yeh he looks super fucking scummy..maybe because he is fucking scum | ||
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On August 28 2014 10:37 Damdred wrote: Oh god if the scumteam was xata and yamato i would laugh so hard and applaud so hard. xata can't be scum anymore, | ||
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On August 28 2014 10:38 Xatalos wrote: His original claim was fishy, but him admitting to it being a fakeclaim (and even with a somewhat understandable reasoning for doing it) sounds like standard VA... Unfortunately. how is his reasonining understandable, it is incredibly anti town. | ||
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On August 28 2014 10:44 Xatalos wrote: Unfortunately it's completely in line with his usual VT play :/ really So just play like shit and get a free pass. Done with this | ||
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On August 28 2014 10:47 Xatalos wrote: That's the problem with playing well I guess. If you play dumb as town, nobody will ever expect anything from you as scum. With that said I don't think it's completely impossible for VA to be scum. Just that it seems a bit unlikely with WOS gunning so hard for him during D2 and now you too. This isn't really the time to bus for scum so it's hard to imagine him as a member of any scumteam. I just don't even anymore. Look at his fucking play and explain how that is town. | ||
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On August 28 2014 10:51 yamato77 wrote: you could have eaten a roleblock but you claimed a check? ##Vote VayneAuthority he is talking about n2 eating a Rb not n1 | ||
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On August 28 2014 10:51 Xatalos wrote: I can see some town motivation in his fakeclaim (trying to eat a bullet / roleblock) and since basically everyone non-confirmed wants to lynch him right now, I have extreme difficulties seeing him as scum. ok i have explained this before, how is his play town motivated at all because he likely outs the real cop, he looks super fucking scummy today, all it helped him do was survive to another day. | ||
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On August 28 2014 10:55 yamato77 wrote: unclaimed more like lied and then lied again to cover why he he didn't die with a fucking cop check thank you | ||
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On August 28 2014 10:56 Xatalos wrote: I don't know what goes through VA's mind. Maybe he just didn't really consider the risk of outing another blue role? And thought it was a good idea to "sacrifice" himself? Also at the time he claimed, everyone was on a VA/Onegu mindset. so he claims, we lynch onegu, Hey guess what Onegu flipped town. such sacrifice. | ||
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I'm going to give my defense here. I was aggressive and pushed my reads I had logical and consistent reasons for all my reads, a lot of you didn't like my heuristic but I stuck to it. I was constantly trying to figure out the game, A lot of people will point to me "trying to save hapa" but I was trying to ensure town did not lose. hapa lynch was a highly risky play I still maintain that. GB is an idiot, look at his and turtles filter. turtle didnt have a reason for me being mafia he just called me mafia because GB said so. GB had no reasons either. he "analysed a post" none of the things he analysed make me scum. his early read on me being scum was because of the rayn kill which was obviously made by hapa. I was genuinely frustrated and angry with him rather than just sucking his dick. Lots of people have called me and read me as town. JAT, dam, Xat has been reading me town, Yam has been reading me town. WoS has been reading me town. pretty much everyone has called me town at some point. The only reason I can see for people reading me scum is because Xat has some dumb fucking reason to believe that VA is somehow VT and his play was town orientated, like use your brain dude. I Think Yam has to actually be mafia here. he can happily vote on VA here because he knows town will kill WoS and when he flips town kill me to win the game. I guess he bussed Robik, gg | ||
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On August 28 2014 11:13 yamato77 wrote: I have to be mafia? Ugh. WoS can't afford to bus VA, neither can I you can because town will just lynch me and WoS. PoE | ||
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On August 28 2014 11:15 yamato77 wrote: That last paragraph is easily the worst thing I've ever read in the history of mafia. really, you read the GB or turtle filter? My logic is sound, you have to be mafia because WoS can't afford to bus and neither can I. | ||
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On August 28 2014 11:15 Damdred wrote: Except your wrong because turtle has given VA hell all game or atleast about his claim.... Can we just lynch kel instead and go from their? all game? are you fucking real, turtle has about 5 posts, all he did was sheep GB | ||
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On August 28 2014 11:17 yamato77 wrote: so ksc claimed mafia gg dispute the logic don't just post bullshit | ||
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On August 28 2014 11:21 turtlevine wrote: GB left a lot for me in the mason QT, including a lot of arguments about why KSC and VA were scum. He had some associative tell stuff as well saying that it was unlikely but possible that both KSC and VA are scum. VA's claim/unclaim is obvious scum backtracking ##vote VA THEN POST HIS ARGUMENT! | ||
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On August 28 2014 11:22 WaveofShadow wrote: You realize scum has absolutely no choice right now, right? ok the 3 people to be lynched at the moment are Wos/Kel/VA if you or me are mafia, we cant afford to bus VA. because then as mafia town lynches between the two of us and we just lose. The only one who can afford to bus VA is yam, because in a final 3 of somehting like turtle, Yam, WoS who the fuck do you think turtle hammers. | ||
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On August 28 2014 11:22 yamato77 wrote: So Vayne is mafia because the fakeclaim nonsense is close to the worst claim I've ever witnessed in scum play on TL Mafia. And KSC is his buddy because: D2, he didn't want to lynch VA OR Hapa, which is exactly what mafia would be motivated to do. Today, he 180s on Xata even AFTER questioning his claim at night + comes out and 180s on me with literally the worst post I've ever read where he VOTES THE GUY I'M VOTING, YET CALLS ME MAFIA FOR BUSSING HIM And why would I bus in this way? Because apparently it gives me enough leeway to push 2 mislynches on WoS and himself. oh my fucking god D2 I have fucking explained this like 239423904u20934u times I was figuring out the game and I explained that if Hapa was town then town lost the game right there. it was a fucking risky play. I was ensuring town did not lose, how is that scummy in any way you fucking idiot. Today of course i fucking 180 on Xata he claims cop and VA resends, like how stupid are you. I explained why you can bus it is logic and you havent disputed it | ||
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On August 28 2014 11:28 Damdred wrote: I don't understand mafia apparently, Why would you bus the godfather day one when he has no pressure on him nobody is talking about him and hes pretty much town read by a good many people? Well it got Yam town cred and he has you all convinced so it has worked for him | ||
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On August 28 2014 11:28 yamato77 wrote: it's okay to concede sick dodge the arguments shame you cant dispute iron logic it is ok to concede | ||
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On August 28 2014 11:33 Damdred wrote: So as mafia you would bus Robik, when you could of killed a townie (a cop no less), a good mislynch (which i'm sorry about xata). Instead you bus your godfather? Something with this argument doesn't jive, which btw killing xata would of fucked me over even more and i would of been lynched probably day 2 for pushing Xata over the top basically. Yam did not know Xata was cop. Yam looked really fucking scummy at the end of d1, if you remember votes were on yam and he would probably be lynched. Bussing Robik got him lots of credibility. | ||
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On August 28 2014 11:35 yamato77 wrote: kels, unfortunately for you, I have a reputation as a horrible scum player not because I couldn't play well as mafia (I have survived to endgame in a stacked town) but because I'm far and away a better town player one of the best town players when I'm trying to win the game that comes in handy when I want to crush scumteams like I wanted to after we lynched Robik on d1 you just happened to be on the receiving end of this punishment blame wos/xatalos for making me really fucking mad at the end of d1 dispute the logic oh wait you cant dont give me bullshit about previous games | ||
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On August 28 2014 11:38 yamato77 wrote: the logic speaks for itself, pal we'll let the rest of town decide what they think of your brilliant argument so you cant dispute the logic | ||
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VA is mafia, like his claim was not town orientated in anyway, it was shit tier play. Then as we see town considers the lynch between Kel/WoS/VA I thought it was VA, WoS thought it was VA. It is impossible that either of us can bus here because town would just lynch between me and WoS afterwards and win the game. Then Yam shows up and votes VA, he is the only one that can bus VA because he has town cred and town just lynches me and WoS after VA and Yam wins as mafia. iron clad logic, ez win. | ||
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On August 28 2014 11:39 Damdred wrote: Yam always looks scummy, Xata had been blue dropping since day one if you actually look. He had the biggest filter and was the most town looking person in the game in retrospect even if he said scummy things if you have almost a 20 page filter by the end of day 1 you are going to say some stupid ass shit that will look scummy. Hes an excellent mislynch, GB went on Xata. Scum Yamato would of just sat there and left Godfather Rob alone. Yamato came out and played so much much more towny day 2 onward. You said it yourself mafia wouldn't of wanted to get rid of SK at that point as sk would only want to shoot town after losing a mafia day 1. It made the most sense but what does mafia yamato do? He goes and pushes the shit out of sk hapa who dies and is sk. Wait that doesn't make any sense to me, Scum yamato wouldn't do that he wouldn't put his neck out like that. He would be meek and push Xata hell he wouldn't even of made a case on xata night 1 if he was scum. He would be in his mafia QT happy that xata died. His play on night 1, day 2 and here are towny. Yours are just defensive and insulting at this point. Again this doesn't dispute the logic I think mafia played badly lynching the SK, I guess mafia just played badly, or Yam wanted to get extra town points. Also Yam was hugely suspicous end of D1 if he votes on Xata then he instantly gets lynched D2. | ||
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On August 28 2014 11:46 Damdred wrote: You aren't using logic you are using conjecture just as my narrative is. no mine is logic, you cant dispute it | ||
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On August 28 2014 11:47 Damdred wrote: If yamato came out d2 onward like he did anyway he wouldn't of gotten lynched I woudl of gotten lynched I was the one who got yamato on the xata wagon. Nah I think it is more likely that yam gets lynched to be honest. He was scummier than you d1 | ||
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On August 28 2014 11:48 Damdred wrote: I can play this game to No mine is logic, you can't dispute it because i'm using logic The fact you can't find a counter to my argument just proves my point | ||
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VA is mafia, like his claim was not town orientated in anyway, it was shit tier play. Then as we see town considers the lynch between Kel/WoS/VA I thought it was VA, WoS thought it was VA. It is impossible that either of us can bus here because town would just lynch between me and WoS afterwards and win the game. Then Yam shows up and votes VA, he is the only one that can bus VA because he has town cred and town just lynches me and WoS after VA and Yam wins as mafia. iron clad logic, ez win. | ||
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again it isn't conjecture it is logic and you repeatedly fail to see it , wonder why i am frustrated. Actually take the tine to analyse what i say and you might learn something | ||
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you don't think you just go along as town calling each other great and saying "oh yamato i hope you don't flip town" give me a fucking break. if I'm mafia i cant afford to bus va , neither can wos. Yam is mafia | ||
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but i guess people would rather get upset than try to understand the game. yam is confirmed town i have been forcing that point before today. WoS and VA are the sxum | ||
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On August 28 2014 12:49 Damdred wrote: I'm going to bed and going to forget kels temper tantrum hopefully by the time i wake up I'm sorry you let yourself get so upset. | ||
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On August 28 2014 12:54 Damdred wrote: That's the thing I'm not upset I'm not throwing around insults and calling everyone shit. I'm actually giving solid adice and then your like zomg i don't believe what I'm saying just trying to get yamatos reaction and then random insults....sure I'm the upset one. you shouldn't let yourself get so upset | ||
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On August 28 2014 12:55 yamato77 wrote: sorry kels it's still over for you pal yeh your bad | ||
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I have played very town the entire game. Xata was very scummy the entire game and I had good reasoning to push on him. Xata you were only confirmed town today, before that you were very scum, I didn't push on Hapa because it was a high risk play I explained the logic for that, ensuring town does not lose is not a high risk play. saying I did not use logic is just incredibly false, as confirmed town you should not be making up reasons. I didn't vote on Robik because Xata was scummy, explained that already. Also WoS didn't vote on Robik and neither did VA. As for GB dying in the night, if you think that has any relevance at all you are fucking stupid. VA is mafia, he can't kill himself so of course he kills the next confirmed town. As for me trying to put a ML on yamato, my vote was on VA still is on VA I believe he is scum. I was bringing up the idea of yamato having to be mafia and bussing because I wanted someone to use their brain and dispute it or have WoS jump on the idea. Of course yamato as town. I have been calling him confirmed town since the beginning of d2. But yeh you can pick points that suit your narrative. In general I think the confirmed town have played very poorly this game. Turtle and Gb reads and logic have been very poor, GB called me scum because he thought I killed rayn which didn't make sense at the time and now certainly doesn't make sense considering Hapa killed rayn. Turtle just says what GB says and throws shit around. again he is probably the worst player I have seen in the thread xata as cop you had an obligation to town to lead in the right direction all you did was sheep reads and play scummy. he know has a bunch of shit reasons for voting me and has the nerve to say I use confirmation bias. Dama thought he was town but we can see he is just a baby who wants to fit in with what the rest of town wants to do and lynches for emotional reasons rather than logic. Yeh Town got lucky this game with the Robik kill could easily have been town. Considering the confirmed town have been very , very poor this game. Anyway lynch VA lynch WoS and town wins | ||
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On August 28 2014 20:43 Damdred wrote: And force meh, after night 1 i read uour filter and a few of your games. There's no way that you would of stopped suspecting me after i almost got you lynched day 1. You were probably going to check me anyway. But its I'm thinking now you prolly would of checked me or kel and well you got a townie out of it and kel outed himself. so not to bad except im blue sweet play. | ||
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On August 28 2014 20:46 Damdred wrote: Oh yea? What blue are you? blue = town in other mafia games. | ||
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On August 28 2014 20:48 Xatalos wrote: Why were you so resistant to lynching VA then? my vote is on him wtf | ||
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On August 28 2014 20:55 Xatalos wrote: KSC, you got it all wrong. It's actually good if the confirmed town are scummy / lazy players. That just means they won't be mislynches like they otherwise would. I would have probably lynched GB D1 without the Mason claim. Meanwhile nonconfirmed players can clear themselves with just their actions. Same with me - I was actually very happy that people suspected me. That just made me safer. As Cop it's not your prime objective to be 100% supertown and get NK'd. I don't know why you'd be so angry if you're town and agree that town has won the game. I think WOS' attitude is actually way more townish than yours. angry because confirmed town keep calling me mafia. Like I just don't agree with you at all. you act scummy , you let VA claim and the only reason you are now confirmed is because VA resends. Honestly if he did not resend I would believe him right now over you. Also GB's confirmed town contribution was to call me scum. so I do not consider him useful at all. | ||
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On August 28 2014 21:01 Xatalos wrote: In any case scumteam, I think it's okay just to concede. We'll be lynching KSC -> VA -> WOS or some other order of the same players until we win. Me, Damdred, turtle or yamato will never be lynched. It's over. town ends up in a final 3 that has turtle, WoS and Yam. Turtle will probably fuck up somehow. | ||
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On August 28 2014 21:24 Damdred wrote: Stop beimg so angry and convince us instead of insulting everyone all the time. I'm just going to lynch the list anyway I already posted the reasons I am town. stop being such a girl "oh im going to lynch someone who says mean things" | ||
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On August 28 2014 21:38 Damdred wrote: You aren't playing the game or offering a counter case or showing proof you are town and your acting anti town so yea the burden is on you and your acting bad yeh I made a massive post for all the reasons I am town,guess you just ignored that. what do you mean counter case are you really that dense. VA and WoS are mafia I have said that plenty of times guys are we sure there isn't a framer, no way can 2 confirmed town be this horrible | ||
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On August 28 2014 21:55 Damdred wrote: Yep not moving my vote kel just needs to die. Also most of your defense was insulting town people, like I've said before you don't show posts or you aren't even trying to act town at this point. Your whole defense is I'm town cause i acted towny! its not convincing put forth a bit more effort I explained why VA is scum multiple times, if you don't want to read the thread that is up to you. | ||
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On August 28 2014 21:56 Damdred wrote: And what would a framer matter? because I can't believe a town would play this badly so maybe you are scum who got framed to check green. | ||
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On August 28 2014 22:04 Damdred wrote: So basically not really a framer but a lawyer or tailor. Also I've read the thread and i am convinced that va is probably scum. but you haven't said why wos is svum over you and you look scummy because of how your acting oh good point...wait no dumb as fuck of course WoS is scum. it is called logical reasoning. | ||
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On August 28 2014 22:07 Damdred wrote: Yea so no reasoning or proof why he's scum over you. Honestly idc if you are town or mafia you are bad for the thread and game so have a swift dearh accuse me of bad reasoning call me mafia for no reason good job at least you're not upset right. grow up | ||
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5 games ago in a game when WoS was scum his filter was 16 pages long at the end of d2 which was approximately where it is now and there is no way he could ever do that as town. This is the "logic" you like right | ||
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but if you fake claim a role with a shit reason and then retract after being cc'd that counts for town. I dunno guess the game is funny sometimes D1 votes I don't think can really be useful, WoS voted on yam I think, he did say he would switch but ended up sticking on Yam. Yam was scummy d1 hard to call this really anti town but a little bit I suppose. So one thing that WoS did d2 is that he did call Happa the SK and point out a reason which looks town. but he never really pushed for the lynch on him. When it got down to the final votes it was between Happa and VA. obviously mafia would rather the SK died than his mafia partner. WoS said he was sticking his vote on VA when it was quite obvious Hapa was going to die, so in all likelihood he just left his vote there for credibility. I think I have made more of an attempt to figure out the game more than anyone. I have been consistent with my reads and acted in the best interests of town. That is why I am frustrated with people calling me scum and trying to lynch me for bad reasons. | ||
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On August 28 2014 22:17 Damdred wrote: You are anti town at best. You were going to plant your vote on xata day 2 said you weren't going to move it. Faught against the hap lynch wanting to go for the 'safe lynch'. You gave rob a free town pass for nothing and didn't vote him Instead of explaining your cases in detail you put them down bare nones and insulted anyone who disagreed. refused to have civil discussion that could og swayed the vote and took fanciful leeps at yamato to 100% townread him but instead insulted everyone and looked like an ass. overall could be mafia or bad town. harmful to game progression wrong again. Xata was scum as fuck d1 and d2, no way i can be swayed on that point I had to vote my heart. fuck me this hap lynch bullshit is nonsense. Hapa lynch was incredibly fucking risky, if he was town then town immediately lost the game. can't believe I get called scum for this. I gave Robik an early town pass for the reason I explained go through my filter, D1 I give an easy town pass and eliminate based on people left. I have explained every case in detail. I don't understand why you would lie about that. If you are a confirmed town you have to use real reasons btw otherwise you are just hurting town. | ||
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On August 28 2014 22:20 Damdred wrote: And honestly if you would be civil and actually discuss instead of insult id probably vote va but you seem incapable of that atm yeh you are letting yourself get too upset again. again sorry if you let the bad words get to you | ||
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On August 28 2014 22:31 Damdred wrote: Nope not upset at all In fact your previous two posts before this actually had me ready to unvote you and vote for VA since you actually went about things in a constructive manner. Was happy to see this thought you had gotten it through your head and then this post. Yea you should of just played newbie mafia first, insults get you lynched. Thats the reason Rayn got lynched in Neat and Tidy and other times as well. Its just not helpful to the game dude stop acting like you are some god tier player. You didn't vote to lynch Robik, you were obviously a scum question because the cop checked you. Now you are confirmed town all you do is try and lynch a town because you don't like the mean words. Read the two posts I just did and you will see my reasons for town and why WoS is scum. Try and think | ||
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On August 28 2014 22:41 Damdred wrote: I'm not acting like i'm a god tier player i'm actually giving you advice, stop insulting people and you will get 10x the work done. All your doing when you throw around insults is helping get yourself lynched and you do not see it. I had you town read for most of the game and there are a lot of things in your filter that were really towny. However you have just went off the deep end and cannot handle being called scum by anyone, you have just went crazy. I've been repeating this for awhile now, Turtle actually wants to lynch VA, Xata would be willing to lynch VA, I know I am willing to lynch VA or WoS. BUT your mouth has dug this hole for you, the insults and petty actions are making them want to lynch you so that you can't be in the thread anymore. I posted the general case against you and you answered it in a concise town manner, was that really that hard? No insults were needed to convey what you wanted to say. And your right I was an obvious question mark and I more than likely would of gotten lynched today, and I would of fought against it by making actual cases and defending myself in logical manner instead of just insulting every person in the thread. I have defended myself and presented why I am town and why WoS is scum. I may have gone off the deep end but that is because the scum reads on me were so bad and it frustrated me. Yeh today I probably shouldn't have insulted everyone but people were calling me scum before and I just could not believe it. | ||
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The lynch is going to be between me,WoS and VA. so even if he got me lynched mafia still loses. As for d2 the bus wasn't that elaborate. If he refutes the claim it looks better for him when VA is found fake, how does he know VA is fake , because they are mafia together. Everyone else end of d2 was pretty sure VA was real wonder why WoS wasnt convinced? because he knew for sure it was fake. with the votes, everyone was on Hapa when WoS came back , the WoS staying on VA was irrelevant because whereever he voted didn't matter, him deciding to stick on VA just makes him look towny but really it is irrelevant | ||
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On August 28 2014 22:53 Xatalos wrote: I will read VA+WOS when I get home and see if it makes any sense as a scumteam. If it does, I may be willing to lynch VA first. I must commend KSC for putting in so much effort today, and scum should be a bit more resigned in this situation, so I'll think about it. don't commend me I feel embarassed for throwing a temper tantrum at the whole thread when I actually had a good time playing the game. | ||
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On August 28 2014 22:59 Xatalos wrote: If you're town, you need to learn that emotions always play a role in decisions and just figuring out the game from your own perspective isn't enough. You need to look at the game objectively and get the scum lynched, not just find them. Insulting confirmed townies is counterproductive to a townie's goals. Yep I was basically massively wound up by GB to be honest. he had no reasons at all why I was mafia but kept calling me scum and it just drove me insane because I know I am town and he is a confirmed. | ||
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On August 28 2014 23:14 Xatalos wrote: Whoops, I missed KSC's post about the yamato scumread being a trap or something. Disregard that part of my case then, phone posting sucks. what? | ||
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On August 28 2014 23:19 Xatalos wrote: Well, the fact remains that scum KSC would 100% kill GB, but so would probably many others as well so it's not a significant point. I'll need to rethink about the connections. I think everyone would kill GB VA is scum so he can't kill himself GB or turtle are the Nk targets and turtle... well GB seems to be the leader of the mason group. I think if anything killing GB is just a mafia way of throwing the attention on me, but like I said mafia didn't really have a choice. | ||
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On August 28 2014 23:20 Xatalos wrote: My point 2 where I said that you were trying to push a yamato lynch. But it was a fake read or something apparently. yeh I was kind of hoping WoS would jump in and say like "yeh no way can I bus Va here I cant be scum" | ||
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On August 29 2014 01:41 Xatalos wrote: It's pretty sad rereading how D1 went down. I admit I was too paranoid of rayn, and I shouldn't have trusted Hapa as easily. All of rayn's other scumreads were wrong though (well, yamato isn't still 100% certain) so... I don't feel *that* bad about opposing him. I think you have to say Yamato is 100% town at this point. He voted on Rob and pushed for Hapa lynch. Also if you put any confusion in the thread then Turtle might ML in the final 3. Auto from this point as far as I am concerned lynch VA, lynch WoS. you can lynch me in there aswell if you like but I am town | ||
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On August 29 2014 03:52 turtlevine wrote: That case on WoS is fine but do we really want to have to listen to KSC's abuse for another 72 hours? I have calmed down, like I said I feel stupid for going insane at everyone. | ||
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##Vote WaveofShadow Like I said, VA or WoS is fine. | ||
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ok, I apologise | ||
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On August 25 2014 10:13 turtlevine wrote: It was GB's idea, he didn't even explain why KSC was scum, or even mention the read in our Mason QT. I just felt like given that we might potentially both die, I have an obligation to write a case for him since he couldn't be around to write it himself. I did what I could! I'm sure he'll show up shortly with an even better case. | ||
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On August 29 2014 05:32 turtlevine wrote: I don't see any heartfelt apology to GB here. You need to apologize to him and admit he's a good player and you were wrong about him. lol | ||
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But as for the other part...sorry I can't bring myself to lie. | ||
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On August 29 2014 05:46 turtlevine wrote: GB lynched scum D1 and D2, and then he got shot. He clearly played well. whatever you need to believe. | ||
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On August 29 2014 05:46 turtlevine wrote: GB lynched scum D1 and D2, and then he got shot. He clearly played well. As confirmed town you should probably be doing more than talking about your mason partner or getting people to say sorry. | ||
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who is your vote on at the moment? | ||
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After I got town I knew I wanted to play aggressive, try and get a few early town reads and lynch my scum. I think D1 I put too much analysis into who was defending who or who thought other people were scummy I think every member of town has too little information for that to be super important. in D1 I just give people a town pass for some easy things and I should probably be more rigorous than that. I guess my very first read of WoS being mafia was right though =). Still not sure what people mean by confirmation bias, is that just I think someone is scum so I start seeing scum tells that aren't real? I think I had my first lynch between Yamato and Xata so that was obviously shit, I think they had been scummy though. I probably was too tunneled on Xat, Like he felt a bit weird and then everything he did I saw as scummy. d2 again I was just between VA and Onegu. then VA claimed so I was only going to vote on one guy. ended up on hapa because top town agreed with it. d3 I was lost emotionally and that almost got me lynched , but like it was basically auto win. Obviously I need to flame less. I just couldn't believe what Turtle and GB where doing. Like they were confirmed town and they hardly posted at all then they called me mafia with absolutely no reason what so ever, that was incredibly frustrating and made me really pissed off towards dam and Xat d3. But yeh I need to maintain control of my emotions and just tell someone why they are not reading correctly and not call them an idiot. as for how other people played. JAT played such great town that he only got to play 1 day but it was a pretty sick day 1. Yam played really well after d1. Maybe he could stand to be more active in d1 especially if you are VT I read Dam as town for most of the game so he did a good job of projecting that to me. He seemed to be reading the game in a similar manner to me which made me think he was town. Xat, was really interesting for d1 and d2 I just considered him scum, but he did a great job of being scummy enough not to be NK'd and town enough to survive. I still don't know if he should have counter claimed VA on d2. I probably wouldn't have believed him though. WoS was a great mafia player, I really thought he did a great job projecting town. Maybe he should not have pointed out the Hapa being SK role because that ended up hurting mafia but I mean if it wasn't hapa probably VA ends up getting lynched I dont know. VA, his d1 seemed kind of weak. the claim was kind of bad but he wasnt counter claimed so he lived to another day. I don't know maybe his d1 needs to be more active. Robik - I think he was unlucky to be lynched to be honest. hard to really analyse him though, Hapa - again both mafia and town calling him SK he didnt have a chance, apparently it is obvious when he is not town but I don't really have a comparison. rayn - Think he played good town and got good discussion going, like he went against WoS and called Hapa as not town right from d1. maybe needed to project town more but I liked his approach it felt similar to how I play. Turtle - good at poetry GB - Won't play for a month | ||
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On August 29 2014 11:17 GlowingBear wrote: [ I actually didn't have a good read on you, I just thought you're mafia because of that single post I picked to analyse. Then I decided to do a little filter dive on you and saw good posts. I was tunneled and still thought you were mafia but I knew you could be town. Your logic is pretty solid to be honest. I just wanted to lynch you because of your bad manner. I was going to stay away from mafia for a month anyway, so, lol XD I think that was what upset me the most was that you didn't really present a good argument for why I was mafia but still kind of pushed to lynch me. I shouldn't have raged out at you so hard so I apologise for that. | ||
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On August 29 2014 11:23 Xatalos wrote: Town had some luck too but I think it was overall a deserved victory Hapa could have easily won the game I think if he put in some effort D2. WOS definitely played very well though and VA was observant to notice me being a blue (although have more confidence ). But the SK death and me+Damdred getting confirmed sealed the deal.That last minute just "fuck it lets vote robik" left mafia up against it. I think if VA or Robik had been present then we probably ML yam or you. | ||
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