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No, Koshi has had similar bad tunnels in the past as town. I don't think this made him scummy really.
I might have to move rayn into the scummy area at some point if the situation doesn't change though.
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I don't really get the iamperfection reference?
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Why is Sn0 for sure town?
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Hm. It's a bit sketchy to trust that kind of reasoning, but I don't really see a reason to lynch Sn0 anyway.
And yeah, I may be active as any alignment, but I'm definitely not this active as scum.
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Well, I hope that both MM1 and KoC return to the thread soon enough. It's too close to a coinflip to lynch either of them right now.
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Koshi, could you explain VE? I'm not completely sure why you're voting for him.
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You can sheep me if I find a good scumread, bat.
Koshi: I think there's a decent chance that MM1 is town. Someone mentioned this before, but this post feels a bit weird to post as scum:
On August 11 2014 17:34 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
Im going to sleep guys. Just so you know. Dont want to be seen as suspicious when the thread starts getting serious ^^
And it's true that MM1 wasn't downplaying himself on his own initiative, plus his lynchbait status might be a passable excuse for saying that to begin with. So I think MM1 might not really be a good lynch for now.
Your case on VE seems to be mostly based on your disagreement about MM1. I don't get why VE is so sure about him, but I don't get why you're so sure either. And it's kind of understandable to get a bit angry at you. I did too. So I'm not really too convinced..
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I think Mages' posts in the earlier half of his filter are pretty town. Like how he's talking about original stuff and looks like he's going through an actual thought pattern during several posts. I don't like his later posts too much either, like the suspiciousness of kush based on nothing and just sheeping onto KoC. We'll see how he develops.
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On August 12 2014 07:30 Mages wrote:
I probably look suspicious because i dont like day one lynches, never have, they typically only work to the team evil advantage. The reason my later posts look like bullshit is because they are based on bullshit, I am obligated to lynch vote someone so I had to. But should I be watched? Yes. Should you? Of course. Someone's evil, and I don't mind the accusation, just explaining to those who don't know me why the breakdown occurred.
I actually laughed out loud IRL :D
But I guess you mean that the material you're working with is bullshit, as in not very indicative of anything? I agree to some extent. Still there should be better reasons to suspect people than kush's "who are you"....
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On August 12 2014 09:50 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:Currently on page 10 and posting as i read. I don't know if these questions have already been answered. Also expect double/triple/octuple/whatever posts, i don't care if it's against the rules, it's necessary. Show nested quote +On August 11 2014 22:26 onevone wrote:On August 11 2014 22:20 Koshi wrote:Double posting is against the rules.
On August 11 2014 21:53 HaruRH wrote:
Oh no my bear went to quit this game for the newbie game. Now I am left defenseless against the onslaught of treachery. Koshi, i command you to save me Post more stuff. As you can see this game is slow as fuck. Post more stuff. Tell us about your life. No hiding behind people if there is nothing to talk about in the thread. I cannot let you hide behind me if I can't shoot on anybody else.
On August 11 2014 22:02 onevone wrote:On August 11 2014 21:48 Koshi wrote:On August 11 2014 21:27 onevone wrote:
You still here Koshi? On August 11 2014 21:28 onevone wrote:Oh, I guess not. Unless you've been waiting for hours  Ofc I am still here. I watched the thread view count go up from 2065 to 2135 before anybody replied. I am close to lynching rayn. Close to lynching rayn? Based on his somewhat useless commentary so far? No. Because I was all alone in this thread and rayn didn't talk to me. And it was likely him and Kush and probably some evul cohost roaming the thread.
On August 11 2014 22:16 kushm4sta wrote:classic scum move: "Anybody here? Guess not  k bye" Yes. I like this. There was no reason for onevone to not ask his question when he had one for me. Well, I don't think it's a good idea to lynch rayn D1 anyway. What does your last sentence mean? Why don't you think it's a good idea to lynch Rayn D1? You're implying that he may be a good lynch at a later date so what has he done to make you think he's scummy? And why is it a better idea to lynch MM over Rayn today?
rayn is a great asset as town so it's pretty risky to lynch him immediately even if he seems a bit suspicious. As scum I'm always delighted when a veteran player gets somehow lynched on D1, so it's kind of my policy to prevent that as town unless there are heavy reasons to lynch.
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On August 12 2014 09:58 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2014 23:47 onevone wrote:On August 11 2014 23:37 Koshi wrote:On August 11 2014 23:30 onevone wrote:On August 11 2014 23:24 Koshi wrote:On August 11 2014 23:20 onevone wrote:
You're wrong to color that line red. It was just a null point separating MM1's early play from Mages (in addition to Mages' active contribution to the discussion). Why is it scummy that MM1 talked with Koshi & Damdred about Avatar when we were talking about Avatar. Why is it scummy that when Mages posted about being afraid to post because he is new that MM1 said that Mages didn't need to be afraid to post because there were others just like Mages who are pretty new to forum mafia. Why is comforting people scummy? On August 11 2014 08:48 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
hahah, don't worry about it Mages. I'm decent at video mafia, but im super trash at forum mafia. You'll see later that my cases probably need some work, so i'll be trying to focus on improving my accusations. I'm pretty extroverted, and i play a ton of sports. ATM it's summer vacation so its pretty much just work and studying for my classes in the fall. The 3 that i'm taking are all important to get into my major. I start school in a month and a half and i'm training for a tough mudder as well! I am calling this now: Mysterymeat1 is TOWNI put money on it. Going against this is going against me. Please read again. I have never said that it's scummy to post about Avatar. It's not really definitely scummy to trash yourself. It's just that often scum are more keen to appear useless / meaningless as a player so that they won't be accused of being useless in the discussion. You don't agree that the reason to why Mysterymeat " trashed himself" was to make Mages feel more comfortable? Because that looks pretty pro-town to me. On August 11 2014 23:25 onevone wrote:
The *case* isn't really scummy in itself, no. It just didn't feel good to have a big push on VE based on very weak / subjective reasons immediately after he was voted by VE. It felt like an OMGUS / panic reaction that scum might make in his situation. Dude. I just fucking coloured 50% of the things MysteryMeat said in green. TELL ME WHY THOSE THINGS ARE SCUMMY. You said this: On August 11 2014 21:56 onevone wrote:
2) MysteryMeat1
After the votes on him, he comes back with a big case on VE (one of the voters) that isn't really saying much
I just gave you 4 reasons to townread MysteryMeat of that case. Tell me why those 4 reasons are bad. Because your vote is currently on MysteryMeat because this: On August 11 2014 21:56 onevone wrote:
2) MysteryMeat1
Also opened the game by downplaying himself ("I'm trash at forum mafia" etc.). This time added with fluff about Avatar and such. A couple of players see that as a scummy opening and vote for him, and I think it was probably the best target for a pressure vote this early on.
After the votes on him, he comes back with a big case on VE (one of the voters) that isn't really saying much. He also says something like "the lynch is between me and VE now". I think he overreacts to the votes and combined with his self-trashing opening, it isn't a bad vote for now.
##Vote MysteryMeat1
So if I know analyze these 2 points you made about MysterMeat1 1) Downplayed + talked about Avatar ---> Like I said. This is not scummy. He talked with some people about Avatar. He comforted Mages. 2) He makes a case on VE that doesn't say much. ---> Probably the best case in the game so far. At least way better than all the cases on MysterMeat. I am still waiting on somebody telling me the 4 green bolded things in his case are more likely to come from scum than town. Because I see it coming more likely from town. Why is your vote still on MysteryMeat? ##unvote ##vote: onevone Why should my vote not be on MysteryMeat1? Should I rather not vote at all? I'll vote for someone else when I find someone more scummy. No point in not voting at all just because the read is weak. I just said that the reasons in MM1's case are not scummy in themselves. Yet you continue to ask me why they are scummy. I only said that the timing + weak (not scummy) reasoning of the case didn't look good, making it look more like a panic reaction. It's plausible that the case itself is a genuine town thought process. So you're saying that one of the points you have against MM is that he made a non alignment indicative post at a bad time? How does that combined with him saying his play wasn't the best make him scummy?
What I disliked was that he made the case only in reaction to getting votes and aimed at one of the wagoners. It just felt a bit like an unnatural panic reaction, I guess. But it's not a big point against him anyway and currently I don't feel very comfortable lynching him.
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On August 12 2014 18:40 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2014 23:47 onevone wrote:On August 11 2014 23:37 Koshi wrote:On August 11 2014 23:30 onevone wrote:On August 11 2014 23:24 Koshi wrote:On August 11 2014 23:20 onevone wrote:
You're wrong to color that line red. It was just a null point separating MM1's early play from Mages (in addition to Mages' active contribution to the discussion). Why is it scummy that MM1 talked with Koshi & Damdred about Avatar when we were talking about Avatar. Why is it scummy that when Mages posted about being afraid to post because he is new that MM1 said that Mages didn't need to be afraid to post because there were others just like Mages who are pretty new to forum mafia. Why is comforting people scummy? On August 11 2014 08:48 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
hahah, don't worry about it Mages. I'm decent at video mafia, but im super trash at forum mafia. You'll see later that my cases probably need some work, so i'll be trying to focus on improving my accusations. I'm pretty extroverted, and i play a ton of sports. ATM it's summer vacation so its pretty much just work and studying for my classes in the fall. The 3 that i'm taking are all important to get into my major. I start school in a month and a half and i'm training for a tough mudder as well! I am calling this now: Mysterymeat1 is TOWNI put money on it. Going against this is going against me. Please read again. I have never said that it's scummy to post about Avatar. It's not really definitely scummy to trash yourself. It's just that often scum are more keen to appear useless / meaningless as a player so that they won't be accused of being useless in the discussion. You don't agree that the reason to why Mysterymeat " trashed himself" was to make Mages feel more comfortable? Because that looks pretty pro-town to me. On August 11 2014 23:25 onevone wrote:
The *case* isn't really scummy in itself, no. It just didn't feel good to have a big push on VE based on very weak / subjective reasons immediately after he was voted by VE. It felt like an OMGUS / panic reaction that scum might make in his situation. Dude. I just fucking coloured 50% of the things MysteryMeat said in green. TELL ME WHY THOSE THINGS ARE SCUMMY. You said this: On August 11 2014 21:56 onevone wrote:
2) MysteryMeat1
After the votes on him, he comes back with a big case on VE (one of the voters) that isn't really saying much
I just gave you 4 reasons to townread MysteryMeat of that case. Tell me why those 4 reasons are bad. Because your vote is currently on MysteryMeat because this: On August 11 2014 21:56 onevone wrote:
2) MysteryMeat1
Also opened the game by downplaying himself ("I'm trash at forum mafia" etc.). This time added with fluff about Avatar and such. A couple of players see that as a scummy opening and vote for him, and I think it was probably the best target for a pressure vote this early on.
After the votes on him, he comes back with a big case on VE (one of the voters) that isn't really saying much. He also says something like "the lynch is between me and VE now". I think he overreacts to the votes and combined with his self-trashing opening, it isn't a bad vote for now.
##Vote MysteryMeat1
So if I know analyze these 2 points you made about MysterMeat1 1) Downplayed + talked about Avatar ---> Like I said. This is not scummy. He talked with some people about Avatar. He comforted Mages. 2) He makes a case on VE that doesn't say much. ---> Probably the best case in the game so far. At least way better than all the cases on MysterMeat. I am still waiting on somebody telling me the 4 green bolded things in his case are more likely to come from scum than town. Because I see it coming more likely from town. Why is your vote still on MysteryMeat? ##unvote ##vote: onevone Why should my vote not be on MysteryMeat1? Should I rather not vote at all? I'll vote for someone else when I find someone more scummy. No point in not voting at all just because the read is weak. I just said that the reasons in MM1's case are not scummy in themselves. Yet you continue to ask me why they are scummy. I only said that the timing + weak (not scummy) reasoning of the case didn't look good, making it look more like a panic reaction. It's plausible that the case itself is a genuine town thought process. Like this post here he admits is vote is weak but not moveing it. I just dont understand him here. MM1 wasnt his only scum read at the time iirc, and when the holes in his case were shone and he admits the read is weak, why keep going at it at that point, I dont understand it.
It was my only (weak) scumread at that point, by the way. I don't really see why I should unvote just because I'm not that confident in him flipping scum, if there's no better choice available. Later on I did change my mind a bit and came to the conclusion that he isn't a very good lynch for today (mainly because of his lynchbait status and some townie factors in his filter).
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On August 12 2014 19:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:
KOC it's been now 36h. Time to start providing conclusioms instead of asking endless questions.
I agree, but at the same time... What happened to your scumread on me?
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Hm. I kind of like that KoC has started to post more. He should really start to post some conclusions as well though. The endless questions, combined with his earlier "I don't know if these have been already answered or not", don't really look like he cares too much about the answers :/
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On August 12 2014 17:37 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2014 17:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 12 2014 17:07 kushm4sta wrote:
yeah i guess haru. Ive been going through filters and I can't find people I want to vote.
##haru Haru's just joking around and not playing. As he does as scum. As town yes - he jokes - but he also plays. mafia. In the one other game i've played with Haru he was scum and he played quite a bit, he also didn't joke around at all. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/450895-newbie-mini-mafia-lvi?user=HaruRH&page=2Granted you can't get a good meta from someone after playing 1 game with them but from what i've observed the reason you're voting for Haru completely backwards.
Wow, looks like Haru was pretty active as scum there. And serious too. Not sure where rayn gets his meta heuristic?
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batsnacks went really hard for KoC lately. I mostly agree with his thoughts so I'm not too worried about that. Although I don't think separating your questions into multiple posts is necessarily to obscure them.... I think they would be harder to notice if everything was in a giant post or something.
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On August 12 2014 19:42 Koshi wrote:
No. I don't have to. I am sure he is not the best lynch. He is very likely town anyway.
Hmm but proving KoC is town might makes it easier for people to find scum.
Oh well.
batsnacks is not scummy to you?
Not really. There are some things that really make me lean town, like his super careless opening posts and openly asking who he should sheep. All of that serves no purpose as scum, in fact it's harmful to his survival, but I could certainly see town posting like that. I also pretty much agree that KoC posting a hundred questions isn't really helpful while appearing to be contributive (especially since some of the questions were repeated questions from earlier).
He hasn't really done anything besides that though.
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On August 12 2014 19:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2014 19:23 onevone wrote:On August 12 2014 19:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:
KOC it's been now 36h. Time to start providing conclusioms instead of asking endless questions. I agree, but at the same time... What happened to your scumread on me? You being involved in the game points towards you being town. Maybe your first post was just dumb and i was wrong. I dislike haru and koc the most. While i didn't realize the game i read started on page 2 on his filter all hehas posted this game is jokes and complained. Koc hasn' provided any reasoning to anything. No conclusions. I guess i have to reread haru from another pov. More about that when i am off work and can actually do that. Batsnacks is anothee dude i don't remember anything from and then there is damdred-mages stuff i want them to talk more about. VE is useless but not lynching him. Even if he is scum he is not the only scum and i can't read ve on d1. Basically evertone else looks more or less town.
What do you think about that game that was linked of Haru as scum where he was very active and serious? Since you said something like his scum meta is to joke around.
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On August 12 2014 20:01 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2014 19:51 onevone wrote:On August 12 2014 19:42 Koshi wrote:
No. I don't have to. I am sure he is not the best lynch. He is very likely town anyway.
Hmm but proving KoC is town might makes it easier for people to find scum.
Oh well.
batsnacks is not scummy to you? Not really. There are some things that really make me lean town, like his super careless opening posts and openly asking who he should sheep. All of that serves no purpose as scum, in fact it's harmful to his survival, but I could certainly see town posting like that. I also pretty much agree that KoC posting a hundred questions isn't really helpful while appearing to be contributive (especially since some of the questions were repeated questions from earlier). He hasn't really done anything besides that though. The opening post isn't townie at all. Doing completely nothing and asking to sheep somebody works as scum. I have done it in Normal Mini Mafia LVI. Him going after KoC is completely wrong. This screams of scum jumping on something delicious. Show nested quote +I'm caught up. I don't really care how many minutes apart his quad post was. I think his questions show a "this is what I -can- comment on" mindset. Not a "this is what I -should be- commenting on" mindset. Even if people do respond to those questions, the responses will be really spread out, nothing is going to get done. They are questions for the sake of questions. He even said "I don't know if these have been asked already." He could have just written the questions down, waited until he finished reading, and then ask them all at once if they had in fact not been answered. 1 page filter.
Well, it could be that I'm overthinking stuff, but as I said, I don't think I've ever seen scum open in a way that brings them no benefits and only gathers negative attention. Perhaps batsnacks is just an extremely lazy scum and doesn't care about his appearance... but I prefer to believe that it's more of a townie attitude, I guess.
Could you make your towncase on KoC? Since it also affects how to read batsnacks a bit. (If KoC turns out to be town, it makes batsnacks look a bit worse)
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