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On August 11 2014 08:02 goodkarma wrote: Fuck this game. I'm done for now. Can anyone tell me if the 24 hour day was from the beginning because if it was ninja added it was a nefarious thing to do. It was in the setup. 48 hours first 2 days, 24 hours thereafter. | ||
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On August 11 2014 08:37 Holyflare wrote: what role did you get? 'you are town' | ||
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On August 11 2014 08:37 Holyflare wrote: what role did you get? what's the point of asking though, it's not like any scum would ever admit it. | ||
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On August 11 2014 14:23 goodkarma wrote: Do you seriously think we stand a snowflake's prayer in hell of getting through this game without ensuring everyone consolidates? What I suggested is one way to ensure a non-scum influenced lynch. There's enough scummy people in this game right now that we're very unlikely to go 3 for 3 otherwise. Otherwise scum just goes "yeah this guy looks scummy," steers a lynch, and we lose gg. As it is, it's a very hard battle. I kinda doubt we recover and win this. But /sheep is the best thing we can do. And if you /sheep the dude who just died, you guarantee a townie-led lynch. And if you have that dude post the desired lynch target just before deadline, scum nightkill couldn't have possibly been influenced by directing a mislynch based on people's reads. There's no doubt other ways to go about this, but I like mine the bestest. If you want to come up with your own method feel free to, but I'd encourage you to think up something instead of berating me and fast. It's pretty clear you're going pants-on-head right now. Quite honestly, if you're going to be super-bad and disregard any suggestions to ensure some semblance of consolidation and as a result, ensure we lose, I really don't have the energy to argue right now. I can't be bothered to dive in and solve this game anything I say will probably get ignored anyway. People have this super-stupid idea that if you don't post a ton you don't have anything meaningful to say. And so we get caught up in this shit-post war when anything off the top of your mind gets thrown onto paper and posted. It doesn't do anyone any favors, makes the game unreadable, and hurts town. This is probably my last game for at least a while. It was nowhere near this bad before, and I honestly can't understand how it ever got this way. Only playing limited post games if I play in the future 20+ page shitfilters aren't worth my time. I don't get your logic at all, confirmed town isn't any more likely to be right than unconfirmed town. Instead of blindly sheeping confirmed town, instead we must use logic and reasoning to deduce the 3 scums. | ||
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On August 11 2014 21:32 Eden1892 wrote: In order I want to lynch Holyflare then goodkarma. I'm kinda waffly on my Haru and justanothertownie reads and so I don't mind waiting until the end for that. But I'm more confident in Holyflare and goodkarma than I've been in any read I can remember all game; if I'm right on them then I think my reads on everyone else pretty well fall into place by associations; and if I'm wrong then we lose anyway, so I would rather focus attention on the reads I feel good about and see if I can get them lynched or if I have another change of heart. Your case on HF can be boiled down to one sentence: he's good but somehow not dead. Your jat case is basically an association case, so if HF is scum then jat is scum. The goodkarma case I can agree with, now that I think about it I don't really seem to have noticed him post anything important or striking, and that's a good mafia heuristic. Once we lynch goodkarma and he flips scum, we can then see whether HF gets nightkilled (after you presumably). | ||
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On August 12 2014 09:29 goodkarma wrote: I'm sheeping HF's read. He's the dead townie, and sheeping dead townie was my plan. He did what I suggested, and I'm following my plan. From everything I've seen, he's a better player than you and the rest of the people here. He totally deserves to be sheeped. That you're still alive after being townread by many here is also more than a little strange. To be perfectly honest, minus this huge spurt of activity super-late into the game, I don't recall you saying anything meaningful. You've trolled for multiple pages early into the game, deliberabely spammed on numerous occasion and called yourself townie for doing it (showing awareness of the whole nonsensical "he posts a lot therefore he's town" meta people have been following here), and you really haven't tunneled people much. Like you've kinda just gone with the flow and let things happen. I clearly remember you telling me in chat when we hydra'ed you like to tunnel people. I haven't seen anything like this this game. You've been fairly lost much of the game, and I'm convinced that it's been deliberate. HF clearly had reasons for thinking you're scum if he dies and I agree. You don't just troll-post "kill Eden if I die" at the zero-minute mark before night ends. There was literally ZERO chance that scum had the option to act on that post, and as such HF in his last dying breath gave town a chance to actually push a proper scum lynch today. That chance is you, and I'm sticking with it. Everyone who's town should join it's our best bet. That's a complete misrepresentation of Eden's filter. From a cursory reread of Eden's filter (which I admit is too long to study in detail), I get the feeling of a tryhard town solving the game through methods conventional and unconventional. I totally don't get any scumfeels off his filter. You are taking his trolling/post-count-inflation as scum actions when those actions are very non-indicative of alignment. Also your /sheep is just a cop-out so you can borrow HF's name to advance your own interests, which I very much believe is mafia agenda. ##vote: Goodkarma and may you burn in mafia hell | ||
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On August 12 2014 11:40 goodkarma wrote: It already is Les Mafia. Only difference is I gave you guys a method to consolidate this time, and you couldn't be fucking bothered to consider it. I considered it and my conclusion is that you're scum. | ||
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On August 12 2014 12:05 WaveofShadow wrote: Who has a good reason to townread Haru right now? I don't. In fact I've scumread him last night and the reason still stands today. | ||
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Gobbledydook People I'm 99% sure town: Eden1892, WaveofShadow People I'm not that sure of: JAT Probably scum: Obi, Haru Scum, lynch this fuck now: goodkarma It's time to recall the lessons of Palmar: if you didn't notice him, he's probably scum. If you noticed him for something really bad, he's probably just a shitty town. At this point I cannot find a reason to believe Eden or WoS could be mafia. The level of their analysis and effort is not something that I think can be faked. I also *remember* what they said, wave made those 2 epic analysis posts on HF and haru, while eden is eden and he's been pushing reads all game. JAT is an enigma. He *could* be scum. He's on the townier side for me but it's worrying that without rereading his filter I can't actually remember what he had ever said. He might be a scum that's good at not being noticed. The remaining 3: I'm really sure of goodkarma. I can't remember at all what he said in the previous days but it certainly wasn't anything towny. Upon reread, things he did on day 1: Defend haru with some handwavey 'mafia generally don't rage hardcore when tunnelled' argument Ask people 'what is your read' Sheep onto poofter (We now know poofter is town), then only giving reasoning that's pretty much what everyone else said, after being pressured to give reasoning. Sheep onto vivax Look at the case on vivax: On August 06 2014 03:49 goodkarma wrote: The lynch deadline is the worst in the history of deadlines... Marv wants Vivax dead? I'll sheep that. ##Unvote ##Vote: Vivax While I still like lynching Poof it kinda is a policy lynch at this point. Not sure how much more I should have expected from the guy... Vivax, on the other hand, has done some substantially scummy stuff. This quote you used Kush was constructed 8 hours after my last post of the night. Don't you find it a bit odd that he'd call me out for not talking to Wave when I was clearly asleep? I seeded suspicions in this post, but given Vivax didn't ever come back I never followed up.: The guy has been "pressuring" people for a good portion of the game, but he's never really called people scum (until super-recently in a sheepish way). I find this really odd. The Vivax that liked to tunnel me in times past had no trouble doing so. It's also worth mentioning that he hasn't really touched up on his old reads all that much. Especially me, which is significant given how much time he dedicated to pressuring me before. In Marv I trust. Sheep sheep. I really wish I could elaborate more, but this deadline is super awful for me. I'll try to pop in a little before the deadline but don't expect elaborate posts of any kind from me until evening. One more thing.: It should be considered that Haru hadn't really shared meaningful reads until his listpost. No matter how he presented his reads it would have looked scummy given all the time that had past. Keep that in mind. Something's just *wrong* with that post now that I look at it with the knowledge that vivax is town. The logic doesn't sit well with me. The case is literally 'vivax hasn't been tunnelling', which is another handwavey argument that ignores all the reasons why vivax might behave like he did. Day 2 is just him sheeping onegu but that's not alignment indicative, literally everyone sheeped onegu. Day 3 is him sheeping poofter and me. Poofter died. Night 3 he explains why everyone should sheep: On August 11 2014 14:23 goodkarma wrote: Do you seriously think we stand a snowflake's prayer in hell of getting through this game without ensuring everyone consolidates? What I suggested is one way to ensure a non-scum influenced lynch. There's enough scummy people in this game right now that we're very unlikely to go 3 for 3 otherwise. Otherwise scum just goes "yeah this guy looks scummy," steers a lynch, and we lose gg. As it is, it's a very hard battle. I kinda doubt we recover and win this. But /sheep is the best thing we can do. And if you /sheep the dude who just died, you guarantee a townie-led lynch. And if you have that dude post the desired lynch target just before deadline, scum nightkill couldn't have possibly been influenced by directing a mislynch based on people's reads. There's no doubt other ways to go about this, but I like mine the bestest. If you want to come up with your own method feel free to, but I'd encourage you to think up something instead of berating me and fast. It's pretty clear you're going pants-on-head right now. Quite honestly, if you're going to be super-bad and disregard any suggestions to ensure some semblance of consolidation and as a result, ensure we lose, I really don't have the energy to argue right now. I can't be bothered to dive in and solve this game anything I say will probably get ignored anyway. People have this super-stupid idea that if you don't post a ton you don't have anything meaningful to say. And so we get caught up in this shit-post war when anything off the top of your mind gets thrown onto paper and posted. It doesn't do anyone any favors, makes the game unreadable, and hurts town. This is probably my last game for at least a while. It was nowhere near this bad before, and I honestly can't understand how it ever got this way. Only playing limited post games if I play in the future 20+ page shitfilters aren't worth my time. has this guy done literally anything other than sheeping? I expect townies to be able to use their own brains. mafia on the other hand...nothing beats a good sheep. That way you can blame the shepherd when it inevitably mislynches town. | ||
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On August 12 2014 12:38 Eden1892 wrote: Stalling Throwing town for a loop Drawing townies into arguments that go nowhere (and can't go anywhere) ?Possibly? deliberate appeal to self-meta Better than the alternative, short of overly-indulgent schadenfreude (which is NOT who I pegged goodkarma for), a townie gains nothing out of his approach how u like my magnum opus | ||
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On August 12 2014 12:41 goodkarma wrote: @Gobble: I would disagree. Sheeping grabs tons of attentions for the reasons you've cited. For a disciple of Palmar you could sure do better using his suggestions in context. Literally the point of sheeping is to not have to make a long ass post describing why the wagon you're on is scum. Long posts are harder to hide than short sheep posts. I don't see how sheeping is *more* noticeable than making actual cases. Please try again. | ||
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On August 12 2014 12:42 goodkarma wrote: Stalling? That's a pretty stupid reason. You do realize I'm only here the next few hours right? And that evenings are the only times I can spend in earnest to this game beyond the cursory random post. WRONG Try again. I probably spend less time on mafia than you do (it reflects in the number of pages in my filter) and I've been on the noose for quite a while. And I actually haven't just gone about stalling, I actually make reads. | ||
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On August 12 2014 12:46 WaveofShadow wrote: This entire post is wrong. You try again. It seems pretty right to me. Let's set the logic out: Definition: A sheep is a vote that is placed due to trusting someone else. (1) From 1) it follows that a sheep vote needs little explanation because the explanation is given by the trusted player. (2) Assumption: Votes should come with an explanation. (3) From (3) it follows that a non-sheep vote, due to not having an explanation from another source, requires its own explanation. (4) Assumption: Explanation requires a considerable amount of words. (5) From (2) (5) and (4) it follows that a sheep vote contains less text than a non sheep vote. (6) Fact: A post that contains more text takes more time to read. (7) Assumption: The longer it takes to read something, the more you remember that such text existed. (8) From (6), (7), (8) it follows that sheep votes are less noticeable than non-sheep votes. | ||
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On August 12 2014 12:45 WaveofShadow wrote: Actually I disagree. It depends entirely on the context of the sheep, who you're sheeping, why, etc. For example some of the time you can get away with sheeping for no reason while other times if you don't provide a reason you get torn apart. GD, (I think it was in this game that) marv said something along the lines of knowing when to sheep and when not to is important for town (or townie, or something). DO you believe GK deliberately chose to sheep badly or did what a great deal of other townies have done in this game and simply fucked up? Can you prove it either way? GK. Is Eden scum? So WoS I have 3 basically confirmed towns in my mind who are alive, which is me, you and eden. None of you nor me shept extensively. vivax didn't sheep, onegu didn't get to sheep before he died, artanis shept once and then got replaced. poofter was hard scumreading me for most of the game, but he gave his reasons, definitely not deliberately sheeping. Everyone who is confirmed town shept once. But there's only one person who has been sheeping for 3 days in a row. Once? Fucked up. Three times? Doing it on purpose. | ||
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On August 12 2014 13:17 WaveofShadow wrote: SO what you're saying then is he is scum for sheeping onto the wrong wagon three times, correct? Is he the only one who did so? Correct, and correct. I checked the scummy people's filter too just now, none of the scummy people sheeped multiple times either. | ||
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On August 12 2014 13:24 gobbledydook wrote: Correct, and correct. I checked the scummy people's filter too just now, none of the scummy people sheeped multiple times either. EBWOP it makes sense that not all scum mass sheep, it would be too easy if all scum used the same strategy. | ||
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