EPTTeam Melee Mini Mafia V: Newbies and Vets
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On July 11 2014 11:30 IAmRobik wrote: We are town. I will barely be posting for the rest of the game as we have absolutely nothing to hide and thus I will allow ExO to give his reads as they will be 100% genuine and not convoluted because he is town and everything that he posts will 100% be his honest opinion. I was thinking on the ride home how I would word this post if we got VT and it sounded way better and less convoluted, but it is what it is. ExO, the floor is yours! your spears of logic they pierce me, darling. | ||
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On July 11 2014 11:47 GlowingBear wrote: /confirm Hello guys, it's my second game here. It seems that there is a ruckus going on already. Can someone explain me what Is the Kenpachi rule? Also, I'll be signing every post of mine with a bolded "-WeDemandALawyer: Haru and GlowingBear" so it gets easier to identify the team. -WeDemandALawyer: Haru and GlowingBear I like you already. Team names at the bottom of posts is a wonderful idea. Not that I've done it yet. | ||
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I really really will. Be warned. | ||
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Meh. - M&M | ||
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On July 11 2014 19:25 ExO_ wrote: I liked marvs Day 1 in Order. And Robik had a ton of posts before he decided to go to sleep, especially after he said he was going to let me do all the posting. I was actually asleep when he said that, but it's really ridiculous to be riding his ass for that comment when after he said it he proceeded to talk quite a bit. And Robik had a ton of *meaningless posts ftfy It's any town team's responsibility to be as transparent and readable as possible (same as if a townie is on his own). And it's a mafia team's job to be as unreadable as possible. There was a smurf game where I caught VE because he suggested that consolidating posts was a pro-town strategy, when it clearly wasn't. Anyways if Robik plays the game, nothing to worry about, right dear? -M&M | ||
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On July 11 2014 19:32 Eden1892 wrote: yeah but what did he actually say, ExO? lots of talk about how it's a good thing your slot is townie because he could use his opening he planned out, and like... two reads ((?)scumread(?) bunnies and townread rayn) that weren't elaborated on or pursued I do think it's kinda opportunistic for people just to be talking about Robik when there's enough that's happened to get reads outside of his play, especially since Robik is making himself an easy target by claiming to be townie and intentionally playing scummy (but it's ok you guys cause he's totally townie he promises), but I also don't think it's incorrect to point out that he's pointedly not trying very hard at all Elaborate for me then please. -M&M P.S. ok i'm obviously not going to ignore you. I'm too weak-willed. | ||
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I'm not claiming I'm not going to play. Away, troll. -M&M | ||
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Figure out Robik/Poof/Palmar/rayn on the basis that they'll play properly to some extent (as in, not that no-one else plays properly, i mean if they make an effort) If I find mafia in there, woohoo! If not, it narrows the pool considerably. -M&M | ||
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On July 11 2014 19:41 Eden1892 wrote: I feel like OnceKing, bunnies and I have all said enough to get good reads on us. What did you think of TheD's responses to my claiming VT? What do you think about OnceKing? That's not how the game works. I gather you think bunnies is town, I may or may not think the same about her/that slot. Not telling. What is your "good read" on OnceKing? Went super-fast through your filter and didn't see it. I assume you are claiming you are clearly town. Why do you think so? -M&M | ||
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Evidence: pretty much all games we played together this year. -M&M | ||
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On July 11 2014 19:50 ExO_ wrote: Couldn't you make the same meaningless argument for bunnies posts though? Why is she getting a pass? Regardless, I'll be sure to tell Robik to post more Not really, I fully understood the argument she was pursuing re: Robik (indeed I made the same/similar one some posts back about readability). Also she is on the unofficial DL team, gives her extra town points. -M&M | ||
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On July 11 2014 19:51 Eden1892 wrote: my good read on OK is that he's town, it's kind of a meta thing because we have pretty similar thought processes when we're town, so the fact that he's almost literally in my head at times in this thread points to him being town to me. uh more generally i feel like the questions he asked bunnies during the back-and-forth we had about my VT claim were on-point, bunnies' questions didn't seem like they were going anywhere and he was asking specific questions about the direction of her questioning to figure out whether the questions were coming from the right place. as for why me, i'm town because i'm vanilla townie, but even aside from that... idk same reasons OK is town tbh, like i said my thought process and his have been nearly identical this game. i've been asking pretty similar questions with the same intent (figure out what bunnies was doing, in particular) and so most of what i said about OK applies to me as well Alright, but you should understand that two people who are not me potentially sharing some sort of thought process isn't very compelling if I'm not you (or possibly him). Yes? Mafia can ask "on point" questions. In fact it's extremely easy to. I've been doing it already. -M&M | ||
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On July 11 2014 21:28 Palmar wrote: Actually, I'm going to do this: ##Unvote ##Vote Team WeDemandALawyer 3. This post Talking about stuff that is really easy to talk about without giving any sort of an opinion on anyone in the game. I think it was sinani who pointed out that this post also came at a really awkward time, after people had mostly dropped the kenpachi thing. Yeah I don't mind this. I noted this too, and that I wasn't sure I believed the phone = behind excuse. Was also confused when bunnies said she liked this post, although I guess that was just because it was taking her side. -M&M | ||
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If anyone not-bunnies had posted it, it would have been much weirder. -M&M | ||
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On July 11 2014 21:39 HaruRH wrote: I don't get what you mean If either me or glowingbear, who came in just a few pages after the kenpachi rule fiasco (that was 10+ pages long), we should definitely be saying something about it. Awkward time or not, we have to talk about it. That's it. You don't have to believe the phone=behind excuse at all. After all, being behind or ahead will not change our answer. -WeDemandALawyer: Haru and GlowingBear Well, it's not necessarily so much that he talked about it at all, but: On July 11 2014 12:38 GlowingBear wrote: Kenpachi rule doesn't sound as a winning plan to me. You may use it as a secondary argument but to get to the point you have a primary one there is so much game to be played. I think that if we keep discussing this topic it will just a waste of breath. Why do I think it's secondary: a scum can fake claim vt just so he can get townie to accuse him and get mislynched. More than that, a vt can simply try to pressure someone who claimed vt. Why not? -WeDemandALawyer: Haru and Glowingbear So contextually it's beating a dead horse. There's little/no reason to say the bolded -M&M | ||
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I'll let you off. | ||
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On July 11 2014 22:08 raynpelikoneet wrote: ##vote: WeDemandALawyer What do you particularly agree with then? | ||
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On July 11 2014 23:39 HaruRH wrote: I'm voting him because he had no reasons to vote for us, but chose to anyway So im doing the same but he quite clearly did have reasons... stop being antagonistic and help me out here | ||
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that doesn't warrant totally opposite reactions | ||
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On July 12 2014 00:38 IAmRobik wrote: Based God harurh. I am never voting you this game Your teammate said something super towny we should forge an alliance you should recruit rayn/slendy for it since they're town too. Then we just need to find 1 more team and we've pretty much got ourselves a lock. what was it? | ||
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On July 12 2014 00:47 IAmRobik wrote: Marv, This post made me feel all warm and fuzzy inside I'm not similarly overwhelmed. I dunno. Maybe I'll look somewhere else for now then. | ||
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On July 12 2014 00:51 IAmRobik wrote: 1) are we in agreement on rayn? 2) i'm fully willing to accept that I'm wrong -- but I don't think I am 3) if you're town I'm obviously just gonna shove my nose in your ass and lynch whoever you say, cause that worked out better than trying to clear mafia d1 based off of them not doing anything -- although the alternative wagon taht I wanted to push was also scum so meh 1) I'm neither in agreement or disagreement right now 2) yeah well. We'll see. It's too early and you're in general way more categorical I am, especially at this point 3) d'aww. If we don't lynch mafia when there's 2 players per slot I will consider today a massive failure. I consider this setup really town-favoured. | ||
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On July 12 2014 00:54 IAmRobik wrote: Nope. Not a whisperer. His posts seem similar to some of his town games, but I'm unwilling to call him town yet. The particular posts that I even remotely liked were his post about policy lynching me for the policy that I'm on the team and his post about not reading the thread Well the reason I made my comment is that right now I um and ah. I thought he was mafia at the start, then I thought he was town, now I'm being back to being not so sure. I don't like his buddy very much. But also can't tell if it's just a new player doing the new thing. | ||
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Sort it out boys. | ||
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On July 12 2014 01:02 IAmRobik wrote: Did you even read the post. He said he wasn't sure on them and that he reads them wrong. I actually alos thought Haru was scummy to begin the game. The only reason I have a town read was because of the last post that glowingbear made! our reads are not different!!! you called Haru "based town god" Lawyer was in one of his two scum slots. That's pretty opposite. | ||
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but what i posted are two things i can literally quote. Lawyer being in one of the 2 scum slots and you calling Haru based town god (as well as calling Glowing's post townie). Those things occurred. Those are things that I read. They are in black and white. I have no issues with reading comprehension. | ||
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On July 12 2014 01:12 IAmRobik wrote: ExO expressed nervousness that we're going to get mislynched. I promised him that that will not happen. I told mderg he would be entirely to blame if my massive unlynched streak ended. He pointed out I was the senior and it was probably my job to make sure we didn't get lynched. I conceded. | ||
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On July 12 2014 01:13 IAmRobik wrote: marv. you. OF ALL PEOPLE. need to see where I'm coming from. whether i see it or not, insulting my perfectly adequate reading comprehension is not the way to get through to me. anyone knows i have a fragile ego and rage at people telling me i'm bad, especially when i'm not doing the bad thing i'm being told i'm doing. | ||
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so now it isn't again. ta-da! | ||
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On July 12 2014 01:17 Palmar wrote: Thx ExO_ for not even acknowledging we exist  he called you mafia actually | ||
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Ref: geript's PYP mini. | ||
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On July 12 2014 01:01 sqrtofneg1 wrote: Eden is town. Last time I played with Eden, he was mafia, and he wasn't joking around like this. He came down hard on people. I just checked this because I was interested, you're doing meta bad. Eden came out really quickly on someone in his towngame as well. -M&M | ||
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On July 12 2014 01:27 IAmRobik wrote: Yeah, he went pretty HAM against me in his first newbie game. I had to n1 him. Bastard. Right. So in short sqrt is giving a townread based on false meta. This is bad. Don't think it makes sqrt mafia really, just that it's wrong. | ||
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On July 12 2014 01:01 sqrtofneg1 wrote: Eden is town. Last time I played with Eden, he was mafia, and he wasn't joking around like this. He came down hard on people. On July 12 2014 01:34 sqrtofneg1 wrote: Eden, I don't like. Not doing work. Compare with this: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/445959-newbie-mini-mafia-liv?user=Eden1892 Are you on drugs? | ||
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well you have two completely different reads on someone within half an hour. It's at best quite strange. | ||
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On July 12 2014 01:42 GlowingBear wrote: Or put the grapes on spoiler :p Ok I think we have enough posts to make a case. When I get home, I'll reach my computer and do what I do best: filter diving. Then I'm going to bring cases. Expect a big post in around 4 hours since now. Before I go, I must also say that focusing "townhunting" is worse than "scum hunting" in my opinion, because it gets easier to a scum to blend in your town circle and doesn't help to do a good lynch on day1, as you are going to choose who to lynch based on someone you just don't have a strong town read instead of lynching someone you have a strong scumread. Only if you're bad at townhunting. | ||
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On July 12 2014 01:41 marvellosity wrote: well you have two completely different reads on someone within half an hour. It's at best quite strange. In case it wasn't clear - this was me saying "explain yourself please" | ||
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What's wrong with it, buddy? | ||
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On July 12 2014 01:46 sqrtofneg1 wrote: Okay, about my meta read. I made a mistake. The link I first put, but the post I first made, here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/445959-newbie-mini-mafia-liv?user=Eden1892 is when he was town. I was thinking about this game when I said that he's mafia. The link I didn't put, but the post I made second, here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/447955-newbie-mini-mafia-lv?user=Eden1892 is when he was mafia. I was thinking about this game when I said that he's town. I just got confused, that's all. You've managed to confuse me further. Good job | ||
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Lots of mafia reads, especially meta ones, are subjective (which i presume you meant) yes/no ? | ||
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Plam, you're not giving me the warm and fuzzies. | ||
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On July 12 2014 01:51 Palmar wrote: screw it, you're all awful. I'm going to play dota. really. ##Vote: The Magic Computer | ||
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On July 12 2014 01:54 Palmar wrote: If you actually think this then you're mafia. If I somehow get lynched. Lynch marv. No questions, no arguments. The rest of you are possibly bad enough to actually think this way, but marv isn't. To think what way? Last time I remember that you told town to go screw itself like that was in Cell. What way do you think I'm thinking in exactly here, Plammy? | ||
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On July 12 2014 02:01 Palmar wrote: You voted me, therefore you think I'm mafia. Given my current contributions to the thread, there is literally no reason for you to think I'm mafia, in fact, you _should_ have a slight townread on me. So for some reason, your thought process isn't natural or clear, or possibly you're trolling. I don't think so. Robik's (?) point about nitpicking on smaller things chimed with me, I remembered that's how you operated in... that game I obsed. With DP. Mostly you tell towns/people they're awful like that when you are mafia, and mostly you call me bad or mafia when you are mafia (bureaucracy, Rock band, the mini me/you/robik were in). The only exception I can think of to this is LVIII which was 2 years ago or something. In the previous newbie game you were staunchly tryhard and nurturing, here you started trolling, tried a bit in the middle, and then told town they're all terrible and you're going away. Is any of this unfair/incorrect? | ||
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On July 12 2014 02:09 Palmar wrote: I act like palmar because I am palmar. I call people bad all the time. And yes, I played out of my element in that newbie game, I even said as much. I nitpick small things because there is nothing else to nitpick (read my case on vivax in world cup mafia). You're normally not wrong on my alignment. Here you are. So it is entirely possible I just call you bad or mafia when you think I'm mafia, regardless of my alignment. have you called town awful in a game since Cell when you were mafia? Even before this conversation you were seeming more prickly than I'm used to seeing you as town, you've been very laid back in most of your towngames of late (except the tryhard nurture game). | ||
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On July 12 2014 02:14 IAmRobik wrote: marv, please take me up on my offer. At the very least you'll get to hug yourself I didn't see the need to apply for something I seem to fulfil naturally anyway | ||
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On July 12 2014 02:37 sqrtofneg1 wrote: Okay, back, and I now that I think of it, rayn is suspicious. He sees something in my words that are flatly contradictory, calls me out on it, but doesn't push a lynch on me? That makes no sense. actually, it just means i'm not a jubjub. | ||
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On July 12 2014 02:54 IAmRobik wrote: Yup. I don't think I've ever done it as mafia, so it still holds true. If you find an instance of me doing it as mafia, well then I was wrong, but I'm still doing it as town this game. All the people who say "omg, you can't use meta on yourself because you know the meta" are silly. Unless I have changed the meta on myself, then you can continue to use that meta read that I've provided. If I trick you in a game by doing this, then from there on out you can question that meta read. But there's no reason to doubt the meta read before I've given you a reason to doubt it. hahahahaha yes this. I literally always defend myself with my own meta even as everyone is telling me I shouldn't. The reason I do it is because my meta is compelling and i have so many games to back myself up. Why the fuck wouldn't I use it? good stuff. | ||
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On July 12 2014 03:47 IAmRobik wrote: Like, I don't even care if marv is town or mafia this game. It feels so good to get complimented by him -- even if it's a backhanded compliment. Literally feel warm and gooey. If he wasn't in a relationship am in open relationship can't dodge that easily friend. ok, I'll give Plam space. Read is nowhere near strong enough to keep on, especially as Palmar conceded what I said was reasonable. ##unvote | ||
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On July 12 2014 03:10 raynpelikoneet wrote: marv i'll read Palmar when the game goes on and so will you. If he is scum we lynch him, if he is not we'll figure it out. Right now his vote is on a good place. lol. I beg to differ D: | ||
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Few things I noted, mebbe they're useful or will be, maybe not. With slam/sqrt, check how easy the wagon is, I don't see any pushback for the lynch. I don't really get this weird martyring behaviour from a team of 2, you'd expect at least one of them to prop up the other. I don't know what that means. They're both unstable? Or it's a ploy? ?? I'm not used to Slam insulting the thread like this. That doesn't make me feel good. I'm tentatively ok with this lynch but with reservations I guess. Stratiform doesn't look quite so bad. Not sure about Palmar. Not gonna be around to judge him on today's play so meh. Poofter didn't bother playing. Many scumpoints. I've felt ok about bunnies, but Poofter dragging her down. Probably not lynch but I don't trust. Right now I like Haru/Glowing for mafia most. On July 12 2014 14:29 GlowingBear wrote: So, for what I read until now, I have three main targets I want to read more: ExO, Robik and Eden. I'll filter dive them tomorrow, as I didn't have energy enough even to read through 50 long pages. I have a stronger hunch on sqrt/alakaslam, as a lot of people were saying here. Why these guys? Because my way of scumhunting is going through passivity and too much friendly behavior. Going against people there were being quite and being friendly was my best bet on my first game and when I did that most of my readings got the right guys. On July 12 2014 15:29 GlowingBear wrote: But I didn't said that... geez... I had suspicions on you, which doesn't mean you're necessarily suspicious of overly friendly behavior or passivity... that's why I'll filter dive you, so I can get a better view of what gave me the feeling that you were suspicious. My main scumhunting is attacking passivity/friendly behavior. It's not may only scumhunting method. Throws in random names (Robik, ExO, Eden) and a couple of times states that he scumhunts through passivity and friendly behaviour. These 3 names don't make much (any?) sense in this context. Robik the most abrasive of them all, Eden has been active, ExO's argued his corner firmly enough. His description of what he's looking for -> these 3 names doesn't seem natural to me. He brings up Robik as suspicious again in a later post but again never explains why, again it is the opposite of what he's looking for in mafia. sqrt/Slam may have been passive to some extent maybe? They've been quite prickly too. There seems to be a whole bunch of other targets that conform to his self-professed view. Basically I find the 3 names he throws in, together with his self-styled description of scumhunting, together with how he introduced sqrt/slam as scummy after that, very suspicious indeed. My best bet for mafia right now. | ||
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On July 12 2014 19:23 HaruRH wrote: Marv says robik, exo, eden are just names glowingbear threw in I reply with how robik, exo and eden have been playing scummy As far as I can tell, you're just throwing together justifications for suspecting them. Yes, to be honest I would expect mderg rather than Robik. Or chairman ray. Or stratiform. or sinani. All these names fit his bill much more than Robik does. you've already explained HIS robik read more than HE has even tried to. Maybe you can see the problem with that. | ||
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On July 12 2014 19:31 HaruRH wrote: What the fuck I explained that exo doesn't post jackshit as town on d1 He literally posts close to nothing That giant read post of his is inherently scummy due to ^ Glowingbear have not posted his long wall of read yet, be patient. Exo is scummy because he's producing more content than usual under the watch of his senior? | ||
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On July 13 2014 00:24 goodkarma wrote: I'd like to address a few thoughts expressed in the thread briefly: 1) "Slam tries to be unreadable so idk.": Don't know much about Slam's meta, but honestly when have you had someone spam thread like Slam has and not been mafia. Also you have the other half, which also has played scummy. 2) "Not sure about Cabernet being mafia because no counter-bus.": Assuming Cabernet is mafia (which is super-likely), you only have one other scum team. So it's very possible said other team isn't active about it. It's very possible said team is bussing. But it's also possible they've tried and there's no traction. Possible since not everyone is on Cabernet atm... This is a very WIFOM arguement tbh. 3) "Cabernet has good chance of being mafia, but I dislike person XYZ more.": Cabernet is set to be lynched today, and for good reason. I've seen pretty much no one say they feel good about Cabernet, like they are giving townie vibes. You should lynch them because even if you have a shadow of a doubt, they have literally said they've given up. How do you expect to get a better read at them should they stay alive til LYLO? To those of you who haven't consolidated on Cabernet yet: Vote Team Cabernet. Show them your grapes of wrath. ugh | ||
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also haru berating mderg made me rage, which leans somewhat town on haru as well. | ||
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On July 13 2014 05:59 Tehpoofter wrote: Robik you're typically not terrible bunnies told me about how slam/sqrt basically both conceded so hard not to vote them.(Even though everything I've heard about slam is that he loves playing scum and I find it hard to imagine him just straight up conceding a game as scum I haven't read in the thread where he did yet.) I'm more curious what you think about the Palmar/Marv/Rayn folks in the game (really excited rayn is back tbh) I read the part where you basically auto confirmed rayn off one post. Still like that read? The interactions that were had between like pages 24-29 (this is the way back machine as I read slow) between Marv/Palmar especially were weird. I feel like one if not both is mafia. I need to read the rest of the thread obviously but I'm curious about your reads on them. (If you've already given them just link the posts for faster viewing if you would be so kind) I hope Poof has explained this between this post and the end of the thread, or it sure does look awfully shit-flingy. | ||
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On July 13 2014 06:59 TheSlenderMan wrote: bunnies, where did you 'explain why slamroot is Town'? As for the CR/Koshi-case, no way I see a meta-case being stronger than slamroot's antics at this point. :D Haru please (also) explain the questions I raised in my posts -- you can find them from my filter quite easily. ok this is the money question, i was curious when someone was going to bring it up. bunnies came into the thread proclaiming that sqrt/slam were town, but with zero reasoning to back it up, before going on to other ppl. v interesting. Says more than once that it's a mislynch with zero reasoning why actually. | ||
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On July 13 2014 07:34 Palmar wrote: The marv/derg thing is basically a massive meta-thing with marv. As I explained I haven't read mderg. Basically, I townread marv by waiting for him to do something that is really smart. I think he even alluded to it this game, we basically confirm each other as town when he finds something that looks like mafia, and I confirm his suspicion and sheep his case. He hasn't done anything really smart this game or anything that makes me want to lynch him. That doesn't mean he is mafia. I know he is genuinely away today, so he has a perfectly valid excuse. Also his approach to interrogating me felt really fair, as in, he did not want me to look like mafia, he felt like he was simply trying to figure out if I was. I'll go find those posts by nb, and I also have to read the inactive teams (from what I have read). koshi/chairman, and rayn/slender. Might not do it this session though, no rush really. The bolded in particular makes me feel quite a bit better about Plam in general. Mafia (even clever dudes like Plam) really struggle to think like this / look at things like this. | ||
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On July 13 2014 15:04 GlowingBear wrote: 3am here but I'm not feeling sleepy. Someone to talk please? marv, please, bring your thoughts on my main posts honestly I can't really be bothered, because it's boring. I think anything you wrote could have been written by mafia, but Haru being weird on several occasions has made me leery of lynching you. Take it or leave it my friend ^^ | ||
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Palmar (as per above) and Stratiform look ok to me (stratiform's reads post kinda had everywhere about where i'd expect, didn't seem fabricate-y). Robik/Exo look ok I guess. rayn/slendy, koshi/cr, bunnies/poof. rayn/slendy look worse to me simply by virtue of the fact i'm going off haru/glowingbear, and if we take that out of their filter they've done next to nothing. koshi especially will have all day 2 to look town, if he's town he'll be able to do it, if he's mafia he probably won't. sit and see. bunnies is being dragged way down by poofter, who has little redeeming about his play. hate the lazy palmar/me comment that i pointed out. the points OK made about bunnies on the last page are pretty valid as well. | ||
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On July 14 2014 02:30 GlowingBear wrote: "Glowingbear threw random names" *a huge post justifying my suspicions* "Lol tl;dr too boring to read." look, it's very very easy, hours and hours later, to write sensible things on almost any player. Any townie or any mafioso could do that. it's the way you went about it. you can't change that, i can't change that. If you told me you weren't capable of coming up with that large post as mafia I wouldn't believe you. | ||
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Your memory is a little off | ||
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On July 14 2014 02:59 Eden1892 wrote: if you're "not trying so damn hard" and "let[ting] [your] partner lead" then wtf is this "ok we're lynching who i want to lynch now" shit you're gonna have to explain to me why, in any way, this is a mafia trait and not a townie one. Because I'll tell you for free - it's more likely to come from a townie. | ||
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I learnt long ago that in the bullshit -> mafia chain, things are rarely that easy. I'll look at it more tomorrow maybe if we're alive. Regardless I don't think it's outside the MO of how town-Robik operates. | ||
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1) never said that 2) if someone does something they might do as town, logically speaking it doesn't make sense to jump to the conclusion that they're mafia just because it's bullshit, as you're doing. *waves hands* | ||
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edit: 2 blues! V town-favoured then. | ||
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On July 16 2014 23:05 GlowingBear wrote: Obs qt please? I want to read their comments Oh this feels so good. I'll forever post huge posts. it's literally in endgame post dude. | ||
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pls don't make terrible cases on me thx edit: Robik was like 99% VT from his claim lol | ||
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On July 16 2014 23:11 Eden1892 wrote: Try harder and you won't have to worry about it your case on me boiled down to the fact i was right and you weren't and therefore i was mafia :/ | ||
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On July 16 2014 23:15 kitaman27 wrote: Well assuming mafia gets a town lynch on day one there is a pool of 6 players where the power roles could live. With the rolecop, that is reduced to a pool of 5 players. If both hits go through, that's a pool of 3 players. Assuming they didn't identify the cop from the 4/7 info on day one, they would have one more shot at it on night two. If the jailer hits the cop on night one or night two, the cop would need to live until day four to produce a check, forcing them to survive another lynch and night hit. Even if a cop produces a check, with a parity check, odds are that it produces the alignment of only 1 player. If the jailer produces a successful save on night one or night two, it earns town an additional lynch, though the mafia essentially was given a night one vigilante in the form of a second kp to compensate. If mafia get lynched on day one, then I admit, they're in a really tough spot, but that's going to happen in any 9 player setup. The setup was originally ran as parity cop//doctor, which could possibly considered quite town-favored. I'd say this one was more slightly town favored, although if I had to run it again, I'd possibly make it so that a jail would roleblock the parity cop for the remainder of the game or possibly add in a miller. too paragraphy. Basically in a 9p game (which i am going to take this as) 1 blue role is more than enough for town for a balanced game. Added to that there are hydras which, as proved by Artanis' games, make the game pretty town-favoured (town stomped 8-3 numbers). Add another blue. yeah. Insanely good for town. | ||
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On July 16 2014 23:20 kitaman27 wrote: It was 2 town blue which conflicted with each other and 2 red roles. Goon isn't a role? Rolecop is super weak. 1 goon/1rb vs 1 PR is what I consider balanced for a game this size And they only conflict with each other with bad luck. I would expect town to win a 2 blue hydra setup like this 3:1 The n1 jail was really weird btw. | ||
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On July 16 2014 23:24 kitaman27 wrote: Mafia had a rolecop and a vigilante (in the form of a kp on d1). oh, not counting the extra shot because town had an extra player. | ||
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On July 16 2014 23:26 Eden1892 wrote: N1 jail was protect top town read Idgaf about meta Onceking had approximately 0% chance of being hit. | ||
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On July 16 2014 23:29 Eden1892 wrote: Shrug Not knowing %s I went for max payout which = protect best town read The Plays You can work out likelihoods though. That's what makes a good blue. You made a protect which had very little chance of making a save. You can carry on thinking that protecting your top townread is the correct play though. | ||
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Was biting my tongue so hard when we were talking in irc. | ||
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On July 16 2014 23:49 Eden1892 wrote: All in all tho it's obvious my save game needs work since I missed w/25% random chance to save n1... A normal doc would dream of such odds. Lol What do y'all consider optimal save strat? My reason for top town read is I assume I won't outguess the mafia and try to create best floor which is "ensure top town read safe" Protect your assets, not the dude likeliest to be town (unless he is also clearly an asset) | ||
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On July 16 2014 23:46 kitaman27 wrote: Also, I did RNG the setup out of the six possible setups. The numbers on the three setups are definitely slightly mafia favored. If I had to guess, the double blue roles are a bit harsher for town, than the single blue are for mafia, but probably not as extreme as 25 : 75 like you claim. With a random setup like this, you have to average the possibilities for the overall balance, though ideally the parity cop//doctor one should probably be removed, which Palmar ran originally. Even that game came down to a double LYLO, rather than being won by blue actions. Towns are superior to how they used to be. | ||
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On July 16 2014 23:53 Eden1892 wrote: O I guess we disagree on who was best assets then. I felt OK was best asset too tbh. Maybe I misread/got tunnel but I felt like we were by far doing the most work itt doing most work != best asset. You both lynched a town with utter certainty. That isn't a slight on your play or anything, shit happens. But you'd both been proven to be demonstrably very wrong. I mean I got NK after my final reads on N1 which were that all townies were town and both mafia were in a pool of 3. | ||
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On July 16 2014 23:53 kitaman27 wrote: I'm not trying to discredit OK's clear town play on D1, but for a bit of perspective, marv/Palmar have been killed n1 a combined 25 times, where as the sinani/OK haven't been hit once, as far as I can tell. When certain vets like that are not clear town, they are actually more likely to take a hit because the mafia team can be more confident that their shots will go through. lol! I love your stats kita. | ||
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On July 16 2014 23:59 HaruRH wrote: I think you did quite well tbh. If you were alone, you won't be lynched. But your problem comes when your other head is someone who 'tried to act scummy but became too scummy'. I dragged you down this game, sorry! actually I thought you were town when I died and idk about Glowing. I think Glowing just needed to relax which I think he did as the game went on a bit. Don't be nervous. | ||
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Stay and play more, won't you. | ||
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On July 17 2014 01:27 Palmar wrote: Rayn's illness is lack of skillness sick burn. | ||
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