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On July 04 2014 15:04 VisceraEyes wrote: Yes please. /in your'e a slave to palmer, in body and soul as well? He pm's and we flock around him o/ | ||
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On July 05 2014 01:36 Foolishness wrote: Got a cohost?  that's foolishnes way to flirt with you Palmar. It's like he's asking if you're up for a coffee at your place | ||
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So that being said I can somewhat guarantee you that I won't become a whiny emo bitch. But really only somewhat. Let's start with prplhz because he indeed is way to stiff for this game, especially in the very beginning. I agree with ... I think Vivax ... that he did sound unmotivated and down in his early posts. Combine that with posts like On July 07 2014 21:33 prplhz wrote: is has nothing to do with confidence or mentality but with an objective evaluation of the situation right now and he's easily #1 lynch target right now. If that post isn't some kind of super hard sarcasm that I'm not picking up on it's super "wtf is that guy even talking about" in a way that at the same time tries to sound reasonable / smart / whatever you want to call it. ##vote prplhz | ||
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On July 07 2014 23:14 Vivax wrote: Why should mafia sound unmotivated and down in their early posts. Why should they post at all if they are unmotivated and down when their objective is to look townie. This post is too confident about too little for my taste and doesn't deliver any explanation why that mindset makes prpl scum. Explain why mafia would sound like that or you're scum Toad. Why would Town post if they're unmotivated and down? - I don't have a clue. I'd say a townie wouldn't mind being a little afk early on because he's usually confident enough to at least look townish enough to not get lynched to the point that one's own judgement of the situation is usually vastly off the mark when playing town. Why would Mafia post if they're unmotivated and down? - Because that's the point of the game for mafia. They do not wish to contribute anything meaningful to begin with but have to look like they do. Posting while not feeling like it for mafia is what they're going to have to do all game long. On top of that, mafias usually are a lot more selfaware about when it comes about how something would make them look, assuming they're experienced enough to grasp the situation which prplhz is. So mafia doesn't want to be a lurker as mafia for the sake of not being a lurker. That's a completly different approach to a townie he's ACTUALLY posting because he feels like he has something on his mind. That's 2 reasons for mafia to do that and 0 reasons for a townie to do that. I could give you some reasons for a townie to do the same but that'd require some kind of trolling from his side to be true, which just isn't the case. | ||
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On July 07 2014 23:21 Toadesstern wrote: Why would Town post if they're unmotivated and down? - I don't have a clue. I'd say a townie wouldn't mind being a little afk early on because he's usually confident enough to at least look townish enough to not get lynched to the point that one's own judgement of the situation is usually vastly off the mark when playing town. Why would Mafia post if they're unmotivated and down? - Because that's the point of the game for mafia. They do not wish to contribute anything meaningful to begin with but have to look like they do. Posting while not feeling like it for mafia is what they're going to have to do all game long. On top of that, mafias usually are a lot more selfaware about when it comes about how something would make them look, assuming they're experienced enough to grasp the situation which prplhz is. So mafia doesn't want to be a lurker [...] for the sake of not being a lurker. That's a completly different approach to a townie who's ACTUALLY posting because he feels like he has something on his mind. That's 2 reasons for mafia to do that and 0 reasons for a townie to do that. I could give you some reasons for a townie to do the same but that'd require some kind of trolling from his side to be true, which just isn't the case. EBWOP, 2 things typo'ed and changed in bold. | ||
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On July 07 2014 23:26 Vivax wrote: Does prpl look like he was trying to contribute something meaningful? Frankly to me that looks more like it's the case with you, you don't try to figure him out first, but say that he's scum for 1. sounding down, 2. saying something that didn't make sense. How does that look like he's trying to contribute something meaningful. Imo mafia is more likely to pop into the thread with some hasty arguments as to why somebody is scum, like you. I think he looking out of place early on and way to stiff. That's what I observered. The "trying to post something" thing can be a reason for that. I can't tell you if that's what's happening though because as you said, it didn't look like he was ramping up the pace. About the last part: I'm sorry I'm trying to actually do something instead of circlejerking while talking about the weather or some .gif someone posted. We can all hold hands and pretend that we're all friends and ALL OF US are town until d2 hits but I usually like to start with gloves off to get something going right off the bat and refraining from covering my posts with a bunch of flowery terms usually does the trick. In no way did I say I want him instalynched. I said he's the best lynch right now. That might still be up for discussion and I might change my opinion on him based on what else I see about him or other people, who knows it's a couple hours into d1... Doesn't change the fact that he is the #1 lynch for me right now. On July 07 2014 23:27 Koshi wrote: Toad, imagine the next 12 people that post vote prplhz based on your case alone. How happy would you be with the lynch? Not happy at all | ||
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On July 07 2014 23:34 Forumite wrote: My metaread says that prplhz 99% confirmed town. Toades, please unvote prplhz, he´s town. prplhz, I´d like to know your early reads. I´d rather lynch within 24hrs than 5 minutes before deadline. Rushed lynches suck and never end well. No, I don´t care if scum will hammer early and sway the lynch. If they are reckless then they draw attention to themselves, which is good for us. So start voting. Koshi spamming, ruining the thread and delaying the lynch, he´s scum or third party and needs to die. ##Vote: Koshi What kind of reaction did you expect from me and why did you put this in there? 1) You tell me prplhz is like 99% confirmed town to you based on a metaread that I apparently either don't agree with or haven't picked up on yet 2) You state that you have a 99% confirmed town read on him and tell me about it 3) You are not able to or do not wish to explain said read on prplhz and thus leave it as it is So what's the point here? Do you actually want me to just go "oooh... right... I haven't got a read on you but if you say prplhz is 99% town without telling me why I'll just drop that and trust you"? If that's not the thing you want to achieve with that oneliner, why else mind putting it there? Doesn't seem like prplhz is getting all that much votes right now while at the same time Vivax apparently is going nuts about me. Why don't you just outline this a bit more and actually try to convince me that I'm wrong on prplhz? If you're town it's certainly not in your best interest to have townies trying to lynch other townies and you SHOULD try to do something about it, don't you think? On July 07 2014 23:51 Forumite wrote: k, I don´t care about townreads unless we´re close to the lynch. What conclusions? My read on Koshi? My read on prplhz? My thoughts on lynching early or risk a rushed lynch or a no lynch? Do you enjoy the voting frenzy 5 minutes before deadline followed by yet another town lynch, because I don´t. Your empty posts fill the thread and make it harder to read the thread and see posts of real value. It´s spamming and anti-town, which makes you scum, so you have to die. ehehe | ||
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On July 08 2014 00:02 mderg wrote: I don´t think that would be my mafia mindset. You scumread prplhz for basically no reason at all and explain it with some bullshit about mafia mindset, not convincing. how is that not your mindset as mafia? There's 2 options. You either go into the game actually helping town as mafia or you go into the game not helping town while trying to look like it. I don't see any other possible mindsets and I don't think the first one is all that frequent. So go ahead, explain your mindset about mafia that differes from "trying to look like a townie without actually helping town" | ||
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On July 08 2014 00:16 Forumite wrote: lol, you are voting for me because you think I´m using a tactic that you admit doesn´t make sense. Die scum! as you might have realized, unlike in my post about Prplhz I haven't actually voted you or called you #1 lynch for now. So sadly I do see a couple reasons for townies to state an unexplained read like that although I completly disagree with it. Why don't you answer prplhz and me and explain your read on him and why you included that one line and explain what you expected or wanted me to get from that line as it was clearly directed at me so that we can figure out which one it is. | ||
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However, this "strategy" is so odd that he shouldn't be expecting other people to use it as well. He's basicly stating that prplhz is town because he looks slightly scummy. If anything the guy should be gushing over me about how I'm a god at mafia for seeing that but STILL being wrong nonetheless according to him. Right? | ||
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On July 08 2014 00:30 Koshi wrote: Yes, he did consider chainsawing you for reading prplhz as scum while he read prplhz as scum. The plot thickings *dum dum dum* exactly. At the same time he has the balls to outright state that for no reason whatsoever. Why would mafia say they were considering to chainsaw me. If this was someone like Marv or me who literally don't give a shit about how weak we post and do it on a regular basis to look like we're ballsy townies fine but this little detail doesn't fit in the picture of forumite being Mafia so far. That's what I meant with, he's not afraid of posting something that ridiculous (for both things). I'm actually fine with forumite for now lol | ||
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On July 08 2014 00:36 yamato77 wrote: Toad I think you're town but I don't trust you to come up with a single correct read : / thanks... I guess | ||
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On July 08 2014 00:56 Koshi wrote: Toad is some godly scum player then. Which he isn't. I remember him being scum somewhere and dieing D1. Totes town. inb4 Toad is really pissed because he won a scum award when there were still dinosaurs walking on earth. have you read the invitational game where Sand got lynched d1 and Marv and I myself raped the rest of town once I replaced in for... someone?  That was quite recent and yeah like VE said, I was considered to be one of the strongest mafia players on TL a while ago but I have had pretty much 2 years of pause inbetween and can't play against Marv when I'm mafia... anything else is fine! Other than that @you and VE: I have to admit I actually felt quite smart while putting together this mini-case on forumite and I liked it quite a lot. But his response is so damn ballsy that I want some more posts from him. He certainly has a huge ??? over his head but the fact that he is answering so ballsily makes me question the thing. Yes it could be that he's someone who didn't think about what he's posting and slipped. That does happen every 2nd blue moon or so, but at least for me when I'm playing mafia I am certainly always thinking about the things Koshi mentioned in his post and how it's more likely that he just slipped. This one + Show Spoiler + http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/461003-tl-mafia-lxvii-storm-mafia-2?page=15#285 On July 08 2014 00:51 Vivax wrote: Idk, shouldn't he be townreading Toad based on what he said? Or where does he draw the line between a weak scumread on prpl and strong one when it comes to Toad? I mentioned the exact same thing and Koshi responded to it. Seeing as you agree, can you call me town? I like being called town. | ||
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On July 08 2014 01:53 kushm4sta wrote: NOPE. not looking at your role pm until n1 is neutral to a town wincon and greatly favors a scum wincon. Therefore it is to your advantage to do every game. unless you happen to be mafia and ACTUALLY figure out a crapton of buddies because you haven't looked in your pm and can't go back on that anymore because. I guess you're pretty sure that won't happen, right? | ||
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On July 08 2014 01:55 IAmRobik wrote: Toad, Your whole post is trying to say "forumite is too ballsy and for that I'm townreading him" but you're avoiding doing the latter at all costs. Why not just say something if you wanna say it. Why are you holding back nah, the whole point of the post is to explain that I've got two conflicting points about him. 1) the mini-case on him which certainly makes him look like he's not town 2) his reaction to all this, which does makes him look like town in my book I think both points are really good, at the least we've had a bunch of people stating that 1) is good so far, but most people ignore to give the 2nd one some thought, which makes it important enough to be pointed out. It's a post to get more opinions from people though. I'm not trying to get someone lynched with it. I want to hear what people make of it. | ||
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On July 08 2014 01:56 Vivax wrote: The day I call somebody town just for saying the same thing as me is the day I lose to mafia. Are you applying that reasoning to me to townread me or what? Since you're expecting me to do such a thing. obviously not because I said it first | ||
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On July 08 2014 02:04 IAmRobik wrote: The problem is that: seems like an illogical conclusion. The logical answer would be something along the lines of: "But his response is so damn ballsy that I kinda think he's town for it" then you can mentioned that you're conflicted and want him to post more I think his innitial posts make him mafia. I think his answere were to ballsy to come from a mafia which makes me lean on town had he been a 0-read earlier. He wasn't a null read. Those 2 things are not making sense together and I'm not mashing them together because they're not both just "a little right". One of those statements is going to be wrong and one is going to be correct. I don't know which one it is so far so no, I'm not going to call him town, why should I ? I need more information to figure out which one was incorrect about him. | ||
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If you're such a god that you don't ever question yourself 10 hours into the game and think everything you've said has to be correct, be my guest to take that stance but I won't. And I won't listen to a thing you say if you actually think that's how people should play mafia like. | ||
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On July 08 2014 02:23 IAmRobik wrote: That's not the point I'm making. I apprecaite you questioning yourself. I don't appreciate you dilly dallying around your feelings that he is town for the second part. You have ample opportunity in what you wrote to say "so i kinda lean towny on him for that, but still don't like his opening so meh, 50/50 and contiuing to reevaluate" But you didn't say that. You avoided calling him town for being ballsy and said "id like to hear more from him". whatever. it's something to think about you won't find me call people town unless it's to make sure they don't get lynched before a deadline. I'm probably the biggest critic of people giving townreads for no reason on TL. Literally. Go look up my games and I do always play in a way that describes my thought process in a somewhat... fluffy and volumesque way so to say. Makes it easier to read me and figure out wether my possible changes in attitude and reads make sense from your point of view because I'm actually talking about little details and what's going on in my head instead of giving one big post that summarizes my thoughts with some corny "lynch that, that and that". On the other hand it obviously is more to read, yes. If that's your beef with me, sorry that's not going to change and it's never going to get more obvious than this from me: On July 08 2014 00:34 Toadesstern wrote: exactly. At the same time he has the balls to outright state that for no reason whatsoever. Why would mafia say they were considering to chainsaw me. If this was someone like Marv or me who literally don't give a shit about how weak we post and do it on a regular basis to look like we're ballsy townies fine but this little detail doesn't fit in the picture of forumite being Mafia so far. That's what I meant with, he's not afraid of posting something that ridiculous (for both things). I'm actually fine with forumite for now lol If I'd post any more concrete about things that make me lean town on people (on specific posts, not overall) I'd ask you to policylynch me on the spot because I'd be playing against everything I'm standing for... | ||
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Search: townreads are easy / Content only / Username: Toadesstern + Show Spoiler + On February 27 2014 08:39 Toadesstern wrote: that posts actually makes sense considering it's Vivax. Not solely because Vivax but also because of the time he last played. His last game was LIX if I'm not mistaken, that's a year ago. Imo it was "meta" back than to not talk about townreads until you got for a clean swipe and have pretty much everyone figured out because single townreads are incredibly easy to fake for mafia due to the fact that they don't even have to lie about them. Therefore, single townreads that weren't at the very beginning of d1 were commonly referred to as fluff and trying to look like you're doing something while not actually doing anything. I especially was someone who took a book out of that note and I still don't think it's a good thing to post single town-reads at all. If you're a good player and have 90% of the people figured and and can lynch based on method of elimination by all means, post town reads but other than that, not really. Again, I in particular were someone who kept saying so and I in particular bullied Vivax quite a bit in his last game. Seems plausable to have this idea for him. Also looks like he's really trying to improve considering that last game he was in. + Show Spoiler + On March 09 2013 02:36 Toadesstern wrote: yeah d1 performance from mafias are really bad these days and I have to include myself in there due to laziness in my last game as mafia as well I guess :p It's incredibly hard to be wrong on a townread as a townie, like really hard unless you're in that one game you have once a year where literally everything you say is just flat out wrong. Being wrong on a townread really shouldn't ever happen and the way games go you usually have at least 50% of the game figured out as town with a likeliness of everyone in that group really being town high enough to bet your own balls on them being town. You probably will have more than 50% down as town pretty easily in most games on d1. That leaves a bunch of randoms who didn't perform well and mafias in the group called "the rest" and it's really not that hard to find mafia based on that knowledge + some basic reads even without reading the thread. That's basicly how every single game turns out to be except for very few exceptions nowadays and a mafia actually looking townish or leading town is a very rare situation these days when in fact it is really easy to look good, especially on d1  + Show Spoiler + On January 22 2013 15:09 Toadesstern wrote: Oh and I'm not saying vet-reads are more important. They aren't. They are more consistent (most of the times, yes I'm looking at you bugs). That's not that much of a big deal when talking about mafiareads because they can still be wrong a lot of times. So when a vet isn't explaining a mafiaread you shouldn't just sheep. He's probably doing that to gauge reactions. On townreads it's something different though, those are so easy to do that you usually don't feel like explaining and you know that the majority of vets agrees with you anyways, so there's no need to. Which means if there's 4 vets telling you someone is town, even without reasoning you should listen to that. I already mentioned I don't like talking about townreads. That's not because talking about townreads is essentially that bad but rather because it's a null without reasoning. If I provide reasoning I however end up giving mafia the key to "How to make Toad think you're a Townie", which really isn't that good of an idea in my opinion, so those townreads naturally will come without reasoning a lot. + Show Spoiler + h On January 20 2013 15:01 Toadesstern wrote: can't sleep Anyways you know me and you know that that isn't what I said at all, neither was it what it was intended to look like... You played with me two games and you know that I'm the guy who HATES talking about townreads the most out of all the people on TL. From LVIII: Pretty sure I said something like that in YANMM as well, stating that it's almost impossible to judge people based on townreads and you've been in both Yamato, so you should know that. What I said was: It should be easy to pick someone who's townish among the vets. I never said we should be talking about townreads or not scumhunt at all. Not once. Frankly speaking given the posts I did (I admit it's from the 2 other games...) you should have come to the conclusion that it's the exact opposite I'm telling people given the fact that you've been in both of them because I was openly stating that it's almost impossible to judge people based on weak ass townreads they give. Did you completly forget who I am or are you trrying to misinterpret everything I stand for on TL-mafia on purpose? + Show Spoiler + On January 03 2013 12:10 Toadesstern wrote: See the thing is, I haven't mentioned a single town read (besides one that only 1 guy in the thread knows about :3) at all and I don't plan on doing it, neither should you. I've mentioned a couple of things I consider weird, mainly some things about Palmar and Marv so far. Not saying I'm the wisdom in person and I never intended it to be that way but it is INCREDIBLY hard to tell a townie who's posting a townread apart from a mafia who's posting a townread while both may look like something useful (it's not). A townread is best kept to yourself, especially early on.
On top of that, it is incredibly easy for mafia to look like they're doing something by posting townreads. They know they're right on something, they don't have to make up bullshit, which they have to when they're doing scumreads unless they're bussing. They can get in the thread make 4 townreads about someone, mix in 2 mafiabuddies and tell people they're mafia as well and there's almost no way to distinguish that from a townie. I mean there is, but it's just WAY hader than by looking at peoples mafiareads because again, mafia have to make up some bullshit when doing those, they got confirmation bias and already know they're wrong and all that is making it hard for mafias to talk about mafia-reads. Talking about townreads isn't for them, not at all. That being said, I'd very much like a situation in which we just keep our townreads to ourselves pretty please. there's a crapton of posts like that around. Didn't feel like quoting more than I just did | ||
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On July 08 2014 02:43 Corazon wrote: Alright I'm just going to go over a few things I noted from reading through. If you guys want me to talk about another player (or expand my thoughts on one player), simply ask away. Koshi: Koshi's just being Koshi. I've never liked the 2% of effort he puts into Mafia but I can't crucify him for that. He's actually made a few decent points trying to keep people honest about their reads. Even if I thought he was the scummiest player in the game, it wouldn't be worth it to go after him at this point. Forumite: I can understand Forumite's meta-read on Prp. I've done the same thing with Marv just to be able to focus on other targets. His vote on Koshi seems simply misguided because he's just voting Koshi for being Koshi, something that an over-zealous townie would do. I also disagree about his point with getting a lynch done within 24 hours, but I don't see anything forced or fabricated in his explanation. Toad: I'm slightly more concerned about Toad. His Prp vote looks absolutely terrible to me because he voted him for being "depressing" and "not optomistic" about town's chances when in all fairness, Prp is probably right about how this town is going to fare and realistic-Corazon would have to agree with Prp. It's even worse that when questioned, Toad goes into this semi-long rant about how town is just sitting on their asses and he is the only one trying and blah blah blah. While this may have been a town tell in early 2013, it just gives me the feeling that he is trying way too hard to look townie and not really being genuine when it comes to scumhunting. Yes, some of my reasoning is due to the fact that we have different views on how good town can be in TL Mafia, but my scum read on Toad isn't terribly strong and I do appreciate the fact that he is at least contributing, which cannot be said for a lot of other people. Robik: Oh, where do I start with this fool. Has he said one important thing this entire game? All of his scum/town reads are being thrown out with little to no reasoning and his buddying of Iamp after Iamp suspected him looks very scummy to me. He's just shitting up the thread and is my #1 scum candidate right now (which doesn't mean much since a lot of people have not posted too much, but if people continue to lurk/not scream scum to me, I'd like to lynch Robik today). holy crap. This is the weakest, most "here's something I got but I'm TOTALLY NOT SURE SO DON'T TAKE IS SERIOUS PLS" post I've ever read Lynch this guy pretty please ##vote Corazon | ||
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On July 08 2014 03:08 Corazon wrote: Does this make me town? On a more serious note, I'm not going to say someone is 100% scum 5-6 hours into a game. That's just stupid. I refuse to tunnel someone when not all of the players have even posted. the point is that you're talking about a bunch of things that might or might not be something. I disagree with pretty much everything but that's not the point here. You yourself are taking back EVERYTHING you said in your own post like you're scared to commit to something. *Here's a thing about toad I got but I am totally not sure about it... probably not a thing... don't mind me" I get that you can't be sure right now, I'm not sure about everything I say either and in fact Robik made a fuzz about that as well but you're doing that not with a couple things but with every single thing you said in that post. Why are you so afraid of how people perceive you that you aren't even ballsy enough to have a single straight forward line in your post that you DON'T take back in the next line? | ||
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On July 08 2014 03:40 Forumite wrote: I think I did this in an earlier game, stating that I have a townread on prplhz for the exact same reason. It ended up disrupting town discussion for most of D1. I should probably stop doing this. Anyway I know I'm shitty at reading anything prplhz does so to make it simple for myself I just won´t vote for him without a VERY good reason. On Toades, I don´t know. It´s OMGUS for voting me and the opposite for (nearly) dropping the case a few hours later. Him pushing for me makes it hard for me to be objective about his play. Others seem to think it makes him slightly townie, whatever. Koshi, I still think he´s scummy, even more than the usual OMGUS for pushing me. His case on me felt like he waited to hitch on to Toades case, adding his own complex reasonings to explain why scum would do what I did, basically WIFOM. He also accused me of calling Toades scum, which I´m fairly sure I never did. I´m leaving my vote on Koshi. Toades, did you have any questions for me? On July 08 2014 00:06 Toadesstern wrote: What kind of reaction did you expect from me and why did you put this in there? 1) You tell me prplhz is like 99% confirmed town to you based on a metaread that I apparently either don't agree with or haven't picked up on yet 2) You state that you have a 99% confirmed town read on him and tell me about it 3) You are not able to or do not wish to explain said read on prplhz and thus leave it as it is So what's the point here? Do you actually want me to just go "oooh... right... I haven't got a read on you but if you say prplhz is 99% town without telling me why I'll just drop that and trust you"? If that's not the thing you want to achieve with that oneliner, why else mind putting it there? Doesn't seem like prplhz is getting all that much votes right now while at the same time Vivax apparently is going nuts about me. Why don't [didn't] you just outline this a bit more and actually try to convince me that I'm wrong on prplhz? If you're town it's certainly not in your best interest to have townies trying to lynch other townies and you SHOULD try to do something about it, don't you think? ehehe the green part is what I'd like to hear more about | ||
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On July 08 2014 03:48 Corazon wrote: Do I even have a position? No one (besides Koshi) has commented on any of my reads so far. I'd love to have a position but you're not helping me out here There's Toad but he doesn't have an actual reason to vote for me so I don't really count him. You were certainly backpaddeling a lot in that post. I never said you ACTUALLY went ahead and boldy claimed that you're taking back what you said, but your phrasing made it unconsciously so that it's happening. That is actually a very strong mafia trait. Mafia doesn't want to be held responsible for mislynches. | ||
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On July 08 2014 03:57 Corazon wrote: Well why don't you wait under after a mislynch to use your argument against me? Your argument is certainly valid if (hypothetically) Robin were to flip town. You would go back, point that post out and call me out for being flippy-floppy. You can't say "this is really scummy because it gives you the opportunity to flip-flop" without me actually flip-flopping. You're calling ME mafia in that post of yours as well and waffle about how it's just a weak one later on. I don't need a mislynch on me to know that I'd flip town if I were to be lynched... But whatever there's no point in discussing this anymore. I think you've been waffeling way more than you should and you apparently don't think so. I'm not going to convince you because either you're town and actually think you haven't waffled or you're mafia and can't admit it so I'll refrain from talking about it unless it's with someone else to not shit up this thread. | ||
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On July 08 2014 04:53 yamato77 wrote: so let me get this straight forumite, you called prplhz town early on for ABSOLUTELY NO REASON AT ALL, made a horrible read on toad based on this complete fabrication (which you still stand by), and are supposedly doing so because you can't read prplhz and don't want to waste town's time. ..................................................................................................................... this pretty much. Add to that that if his point he's still standing tall on actually is comming from a townie and he actually think it's true for whatever reason he should be trying to get me off Prplhz, which he didn't try to do in the slightest. He just dropped a oneliner without an explanation. I had some thoughts about this whole thing maybe being some kind of a trap from him along the lines of "herpaherp, was a trap for Toad and I wanted him to agree with me without actually explaining my point which would have shown that he's just a people-pleaser instead of trying to do something" or something like that but it's not even that. There literally was no reason to state that prplhz is town if he's not doing anything with that, like convincing me that I should rethink my own ready or trying to trap me into something (assuming he thinks I'm mafia, which doesn't seem to be the case either) | ||
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On July 08 2014 04:57 ritoky wrote: ? where did you get the no reason at all part? didn't he post earlier that in all games where he got a slight scum read early on prp that prp ended up flipping town. as a result he has decided to flip his read? so when he get slight scum -> town, when gets town -> slight scum? i think he even posted about how he got the slight scum feels too when someone questioned it. you read the thread bro? There's two ways to inrepret that sentence: 1) "why did you post it - for no reason" 2) "how did you get to that conclusion - for no reason" The 2nd one would be a lie but considering that I aksed about the first one and forumite answered that very question I'm pretty sure that's what Yamato tried to say. Those are two completly different things. | ||
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On July 08 2014 05:08 ritoky wrote: 1) so you're saying that his lack of an agenda behind his post makes him mafia on d1? Yeah I am not really buying that. If you want to call people out for posting without an agenda or posting useless stuff, your list gonna be pretty long. I don't see how him not having an agenda by calling someone town and then giving a reason why (albeit a bad reason) when asked makes him mafia. 2) you sure are really trying to throw a lot of shade based on very little. I say prplhz is mafia Forumite turns to me and tells ME "Toad, stop voting the guy, he's totally town" without explaining or trying to make me change my mind. He see's me trying to get a, supposedly, townie lynched and doesn't bother to do anything about it besides mentioning it. How is the lack of agenda in that one not a problem for you? | ||
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On July 08 2014 05:20 ritoky wrote: Yo, ego-centric much? Don't have to bold and capitalize me. So what do you think? He's mafia deflecting off of mafia or mafia deflecting off of town? it's bolded because he adressed that post at me. He added that part into his post to make sure I read it, not so that the thread reads it but so that I read it. And he added that part for no reason because didn't try to make me do anything like change my vote or try to explain it to me. That just does not compute. If you post some random crap directed at the entire thread, sure I'll be mad but whatever, could be anything. If you direct something at one person specifically you're putting some thought into it and you have a reason to do that, whatever that might be and he did not have a reason for that at all. Idk. Honestly looks a lot more like mafia deflecting off of town but no point in talking or even thinking about that before he flips. | ||
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On July 08 2014 07:18 prplhz wrote: i've come to the conclusion that it's unlikely that forumite would make an early 99% read as scum and then provide such qustionable reasoning for it so maybe sloosh is scum ##Vote slOosh I like you for the first part because I agree. But I think there's enough that makes it more likely that that assertion just has to be us being wrong and he did slip in some kind of way. | ||
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On July 08 2014 07:35 Vivax wrote: He has basically said that whoever is 1 vote away from hammer, he's going to hammer him like in his last games. Which means he won't do anything except execute what the majority is thinking. Good luck reading him though, I will visit you in your cell while you wear the I-love-myself-jacket. Toad I don't like how you bitched about Cora's first post. I actually think it's pretty townie. So? There's other people who said they like what I posted so far, including that "bitching"... think it was iamp. Is there a point in mentioning that you don't like it or is that just a random aside? | ||
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On July 08 2014 07:41 Toadesstern wrote: So? There's other people who said they like what I posted so far, including that "bitching"... think it was iamp. Is there a point in mentioning that you don't like it or is that just a random aside? In fact I got lynched for doing exactly the same thing I told you he's doing. Pretty burtally hunted down by marv without being able to do anything about it once he spotted that. I'd lynch him without a second thought right now. | ||
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On July 08 2014 07:49 Vivax wrote: Your entrance on prp was shitty, your bitching about somebody cause he takes too many things into consideration at the same time is shitty. Prp scum cause he's sounding down and whatnot. Cora scum cause he doesn't sound sure enough of himself and puts caveats into his reads. This is shitty cause you use it in the reasoning to townread Forum: If you look at his post and think a bit about it you'll figure that chainsaw is what he thinks means calling out as scummy. When the real meaning is that you attack a guy who is attacking your scumbuddy. Just cause he used that word didn't mean that he meant the same thing you know as chainsawing. But despite suspecting him earlier, you immediately took it that way. Overall I find some of your reasoning weak for jumping on or off these guys. fine, let's just ignore the fact that plenty of people have said they like most of my reasoning so far for a second and pretty much half the thread has me down as blatantly town right now. What do you make of me having weak reasoning according to you? Is me being wrong indicative of me being mafia, or town or whatever else? What are you even trying to say here. | ||
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On July 08 2014 07:58 27ninjabunnies wrote: Meh, this posting is bad. I've used it as scum multiple times. "Hey you are wrong because everyone else is reading me as town" It seems you are getting pretty defensive for him finding flaws in your logic. I'm not getting defense at all. I'm getting annoyed at the fact that he's not manning up and spitting out the beans. Instead he just says there's flaws without adressing what those flaws are. So yes I'm bitching at in in that manner because I don't give a crap about what he thinks if he's not even adressing anything. Sure I could take the highroad and not bitch but I'm not that good of a person. | ||
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On July 08 2014 08:01 Vivax wrote: If you're so sure of your own reasoning and reference other people believing you as a way to reinforce that notion, then you should also be quite sure that prpl is still scum for what he wrote there. But I don't feel like you have that feeling. it made sense at that time given what we had. I don't think it makes sense anymore with everything else we've got now, so there's no point in talking about it from my point of view, is there? I'm obviously pushing for Forumite right now and I said I'd lynch cora without a second of a thought if given the chance, even if I'd still want to go after prplhz, which I don't, I wouldn't do so right now because Forumite and cora are the better lynches. | ||
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On July 08 2014 08:08 slOosh wrote: Are you saying that the basis are invalid or just not there? Cause these look like basis and I can see where he is coming from. 1) he posted that AFTER I asked him. Why do we, me of all people if the guy is talking about me, have to get that out of him instead of him just outright posting it. 2) There's actually any explanation in there. He calls my entrace on prplhz shitty, that's it. That's not a basis for anything. Same with the rest although a little more volumesque. On top of that he doesn't even have to balls to say I'm mafia, he just calls me wrong in a very annoying manner... | ||
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On July 08 2014 08:13 Vivax wrote: You have to explain to me how Cora weighing in different aspects of somebody being town or scum makes him scum. I do that all the time too. It's like you're expecting him to lock a target, and only bring arguments of one kind (guilty or innocent). That's not how you find mafia, that's how you get somebody lynched. I would portray you as almost polar opposites cause while he's considerate about the reads he gives and shows some doubts, you're playing the "lock-on and post all scummy stuff you can find-game", but for one exception, Forumite (who you voiced doubts about), but for some reason you'd lynch him before prplhz while I have yet to see you voicing doubts about prplhz himself. Do you realize where my beef lies? like I said, my beef with Cora is that he did that with every single aspect. Mafias are more cautious about what they're posting and tend to try to be more people-pleaser than townies. I don't mind people bringing multiple arguments into the table, heck I did the same with forumite not a long time ago. I do however mind it if the guy brings 10 arguments on the table and calls all 10 of his own arguments useless and weak in the same post. Not just some of them but literally every single one. The guy is horribly afraid to put his head out in any kind of way. | ||
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On July 08 2014 08:34 ritoky wrote: @Toades: what do you think of yamato77? nothing that stood out for me either way as of yet. I got some chills when he said he doesn't trust me because it felt a little buddy-buddy / trying to make fun with me but we do know each other so that's fine with me. As for real input... I can't even remember anything he's done except for that post when he quoted the list post which seemed a little weak. Completly null on him right now. Other than that I think his/her figure looks pretty awesome if you ignore legs and knees: + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/YjPmhIr.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/sEzwPp7.jpg) | ||
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On July 08 2014 08:56 ritoky wrote: That's very odd to me, because in his filter he states that cora is off the table in his mind for similarly as vague and useless of reasons as forum had in regard to prp. And cora is one of your lynch targets. Doesn't really seem fully consistent to me. I don't think anyone besides iamp would be up for the cora lynch together with me right now and I don't hold grudges against people for disagreeing with me so I don't have a problem with that. I'd have to read the games he posted about to judge that post and I can't be bothered to do that so I ignore it. | ||
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On July 08 2014 09:15 Alakaslam wrote: not necessarily. I agree with Toad's mindsets but can't even understand his case + Show Spoiler + I actually can't even find hsi case on prp there was no case on prplhz. I thought he was playing to stiff early on and that's about it. And people got mad at me for not covering that in some flowerish "oh please don't take this the wrong way but I might possible have something to adress about your behavior so far that could totally be wrong because it's only 1 hour into the game" when I go out guns blazing on the first thing I see in EVERY game I play for the sake of creating discussion while pointing something out I find scummy. Either people talk about what I found or people talk about me and my reasoning which is both fine with me. | ||
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If you don't want to lynch cora you should put your vote onto Forumite. I don't think Prplhz is a good lynch at all right now. | ||
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On July 08 2014 09:40 Alakaslam wrote: On smashboards a lot of the mafia players have that handle before their names Coincidentally* they also tend to have anime women as their avatars, with a few exceptions *HBC, Hot Babes Club; I think not ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/jDX8cTA.gif) But I don't post on smashboards | ||
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On July 08 2014 15:00 VisceraEyes wrote: Why are you not considering yourself among the decision-makers in town? Why are you asking us if he's been the scummiest player? Why don't YOU tell US who the scummiest player is if you disagree that it's Forumite? I'd still be totally up to lynch Cora instead. That post you just quoted was awful on so many levels and gives me the shivers... Catching up o/ | ||
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On July 08 2014 20:52 Forumite wrote: This is the post you used to justify sheeping Toades. It´s WIFOM and lies. I never pushed Toades, I knew me not voting for prplhz doesn´t make Toades scum. I said I considered chainsawing him to fit in with my "read" on prplhz, but knowing that prplhz wasn´t really confirmed town to anyone else attacking Toades would have been a stupid thing to do. It´s still taken up as a reason why I´m scummy. Can´t you people read? I just don't see that fitting in with the rest. So he tells me to unvote, without an explanation while KNOWING that the townread on prplhz isn't obvious. And he doesn't try to stop me from voting prplhz either. But still proceeds to mention the read in the first place for no apparent reason and feels the need to tell people that he's smarter than to just chainsaw someone. This all sounds really fishy for me. The realization that a vote/attack on me would look stupid comming from himself. Sure he says it would be a stupid thing to do but well... Add to that that I'm not a fan of giving random townreads out like they're candy when you don't have a reason to do so, because it's the easiest thing in the world for mafia to do to look like they're doing something because they don't even have to lie about it and can later on come back and yell at people "told ya I was right about him" if a lynch happens... The reason I'm posting about this? If you ignore those weird parts inbetween he actually looks genuine recently and I'm not sure what to make of it. I'll keep my vote on him for now but I need to check him out again. | ||
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So basicly I'm in this game and it's creepy as hell because people point out how my case made sense, how I got good points, how I'm reasonable and all that shit. That's not supposed to happen and it's giving me the shivers. My conditions for lynching a Lurker: 1) Don't lynch someone forumite suggested 2) Don't lynch someone Koshi suggested (sorry mate, but if my "mafia is trying to sheep Toad to selfdestruct town" paranoia is correct you're right up there) 3) Maybe something else, haven't looked into lurkers yet and will do so right now... | ||
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(slOosh) ExO_ HaruRH batsnacks mderg ObiWanShinobi layabout Tehpoofter HiroPro Anyone I forgot? Anyone that shouldn't be on that list? From a quick check ExO, batsnacks and ObiWan look somewhat delicious | ||
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hiro and laya are like the 2 guys I'm not willing to lynch despite being lurkers | ||
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they're both completly afk. The rest is just posting very, very little. I feel like chances to hit mafia are higher if we go for someone who looks like he's under the radar but not completly away. | ||
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On July 09 2014 00:01 ExO_ wrote: ##Vote: ObiWanShinobi I'm going to be completely honest I haven't read the thread in it's entirety. But from what I have skimmed through, it looked like forumite was pushed up prematurely for silly Day 1 reasons. So I prefer Obi instead. insta delurk | ||
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I still think he's mighty scummy. | ||
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On July 09 2014 00:32 Forumite wrote: It´s not, I´m just pissed off at Toades and Koshi. Well I went out of my way stating that I'm probably on massive confirmation bias about you right now and that I'm not going to push you harder than I am without other people giving their thoughts on you as well to make sure that's not going down south. On top of that I just said I'd be up to lynch a lurker, including a post to get people on track and discuss a little who over who instead of just randomly suggestion one guy out of nowhere. I honestly don't think you're going to get more out of me when dealing with you today. So yeah, try to take VE's advice and while I mostly ignore you, ignore me and do something else. | ||
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The ones that are posting slightly and only under the radar without being completly afk at least generate some kind of comittment for people when voting. Let the vigs deal with laya and hiro, don't waste a lynch on them and if we don't have vigs we'll start considering from d2, not sooner. | ||
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On July 08 2014 05:25 ExO_ wrote: I hate posting massive reads on day 1, because I think they're largely baseless and fueled by past games and ego. I'd rather wait until after day 1 voting so I'll have some actual basis by which to evaluate people. This is consistent with my town play in both Order and World Cup (though I guess that isn't over so it can't be confirmed yet). Not posting a lot on the first day doesn't make me scummy at all. Calling me mafia is just an attempt to get me to read other people, which I won't do until after day 1. why feel the need to post that? On July 08 2014 05:40 ExO_ wrote: It might be boring, but it's what I prefer. Instead of bullshitting like some people, I'm not going to stir up shit on day 1, that'll be based on nothing. It's silly and doesn't help town. There are some people here who are able to read players day 1, I'm not one of them. So while you may not like it, it's hardly indicative of my alignment, and as I said is consistent with my town player in the other mafia games I've played here on TL. If that's your basis for a scum read on me, then I think perhaps you may consider that you aren't one of the people that can read and find mafia on day 1. That's a giant cop-out but he's quite ballsy. He's bringing attention to himself by bringing that up himself. Why'd he do that as mafia? on ObiWan On July 08 2014 01:41 ObiWanShinobi wrote: i voted him to blend in with the town. i was really hoping nobody would call me on it shit gg. I know it's supposed to be a joke but that kind of phrase always makes me think the person in question isn't part of town himself... I wanted to blend in WITH THE TOWN.... who the fuck says that Was ObiWan the one VE pushed? I know he pushed mderg recently but I think someone was on ObiWan as well | ||
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On July 09 2014 02:02 kushm4sta wrote: Just got to this part. Sorry man, I didn't mean you were bad. I just meant I didn't think the argument you were making was valid. don't sweat, was supposed to be a joke to begin with because if I recall correctly people where posting useless shit around that time. | ||
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On July 09 2014 02:18 ObiWanShinobi wrote: lets talk about how town nb is. i think shes pretty town. agree/disagree? let's not talk about that. That's useless and if correct you're either a townie who got a correct read or a mafia who's telling us the truth. Pretty hard to differentiate between the two. Especially with the vast amount of information given to understand your thought process. | ||
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Long story short, it's from shaft so I'm going to like it at least to some degree. Kana Asumi not quirky at all and instead voicing some melancholic girl is a downside. The episode was creepy as fuck and I have no idea what happened even now that I finished it. Animation was weird. Not in a bad way but not in a madoka-omg-this-looks-amazing either. Other than that... idk really what to make of it. Doesn't look like something I'll enjoy all THAT much but it seems to be watchable. The big brother is mighty annoying and the supernatural aspect certainly helps to make it a bit interesting | ||
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On July 09 2014 02:58 Toadesstern wrote: mmmh, talking about lynching iamp because he''s supposedly bussing ObiWan really doesn't make any sense before seeing ObiWan flipped... So no way I'm lynching that, especially if that's all there is to him wanted to post that in here... | ||
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On July 09 2014 03:19 Koshi wrote: So there are 8 people on Forumite. Interesting. Let's all talk about iamperfection for a while. This is the awesome case foolishness made against iamp in catastrophe mafia. (go to iamperfection no so perfect section). I already brought this up before but iamp is playing the same style he was playing in the Catastrophe game. This time he isn't utterly useless but he is pretty close. Maybe I can post 2-3 posts iamp made that are somewhat pushing the thread forward but that's really it. Robik townreads iamp for being firm early game, calling out my bullshit post, which was obviously just a conversation starter. Quite obviously so. Vivax townreads iamp because iamp is a bossy guy calling people doing dumb things out on their dumb things. I agree iamp has called out some people out doing silly things. But really? Is that why we are giving the most experienced player in this thread a townread for? Are we really so easily pleased? Come on lads. Look at this: ↑ So yeah, iamp calls out dumb behavior. Good for him! But what does he do with it? What reasoning does he give when saying Kush should stop his stupid crusade? What reasoning did he give for making Robik unlynchable till D6? I am not impressed. You shouldn't be either. Going on: ↓ Is iamp posting reads this game? Do you see the overflowing quality this veteran player brings us? I don't. The guy makes the excuse to do nothing till ObiwanShinobi enters the thread, when ObiwanShinobi enters the thread iamp doesn't do anything but asks that ObiwanShinobi pleases him. He doesn't ask any specific questions. Why is Obiwan so special for iamp? Why can't iamp do nothing for multiple hours while waiting on Obiwan? Read the entire Foolishness case. Then see how much of it applies to this game. It is scary much. Do you also remember that I asked 27ninjabunnies what the 3 biggest discussion points where this game? Now look at how much iamperfection participated in these 3 topics. Close to fucking nothing. ##unvote ##vote iamperfection This lynch is glorious. I actually like this a lot. I wasn't so sure about this because in my head he's always posting like that so I went to look up some other games he had as town recently because I haven't played in a year and I could always just be wrong. As town he looks almost the same BUT he does produce good posts inbetween, posts that actually do something and posts that actually aren't just random 1 or 2 lines. He still does those 1 to 2 liners all the time but he's certainly got more good posts as town. Examples: TL Noir: + Show Spoiler + On September 25 2013 09:11 iamperfection wrote: as in you want a peek on my notes i guess i can oblige 27: Mattchew-scum Terrible response to the pressure that has come to him. Seems like he has decided to use this cycle to just calling marv scum without putting any effort in to convince people why or to dow ell anything really. Seems to have resigned to his fate http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071¤tpage=149#2977 and dosnt want to try to convince anyone of anything. The spotlight is on him and he has crumbuled. mocs case has merit i specfically like his points about his approach to stutters. dont really care for the voice mafia junk but mattchew's actions since the case make me strongly believe he is scum On September 25 2013 11:55 iamperfection wrote: 1: DarthPunk/sb- town because dp being a little bitch about people calling him scum and then replacing out because of it means he is extremely likely to be town. Plus he was pretty active and in the spotlight day one anyways. 2: raynpelikoneet- town his most recent push on firm while misguides seemed legit at least and looked like he was at least trying to figure out alignments and overall good activity and seems to have been one of the major players. He is good as scum but i think he has been legit and real in his posts. 5: yamato77- town he just is plus he got protected and he wouldnt lie about that. Also was active before that 6: kushm4sta- dont know. Rember the days when he used to be meiocore at this game. Now it seems like he spends his time just bithcing and moaning. 8: ObviousOne- annoying but seems to have a matter fact way of not wanting to explain himself. bad but likely town. 10: FirmTofu- Town This kid is town he has explained himself over and over agains hasnt really been afraid of the spotlight. Also has used his time to contribute in the right way with pushing see umasi instead of just defending himself this is what you do as town when you have pressure on you. you give your reads and your thoughts regardless of the pressure you dont complain. He is town 11: Pandain- his sent push seems legit and seems to have some of the same reasoning i have. If he is thinking like means he is probally town. needs more actvity. 12: Cephiro- seems to be always catching up for some reason and his last catching up post http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071¤tpage=133#2647 he promised to be a good townie going forward he didnt do shit. honestly i dont really know but fuck it ill say scum because fuck him. 13: Mr. Cheesecake- im excused from reading him because i hate him. he will probally at some point afk from this game and be active somewhere else on tl. 14: decondu- confused about why yamato was town would likely know his scum team shot yamato so slight indication he might be town i dont feel strong about need to see more from him. 15: Coagulation- town no reason to not belive he is the vig with his and yamtos claims 16: Stutters695- martyer hate that shit but who knows probally bad town though 17: iamperfection- IC 18: Zenatsu/molango- a double lurker. A sure sign of the apoclypse. 19: [UoN]Sentinel- scum this is bad http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071¤tpage=45#888 it was just a long excuse to vote coag for no real reason listing lurkers is even worse than lurkers because it a way to look like your contributing . so is this http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071¤tpage=85#1699 say absoloutly nothing on a major topic while sudetly supporting it and then when he votes for him hes not very clear on why he is scum just he has regressed from an earlier game. He has given some decent reasoning for some his thoughts later on so he isnt my strongest scum read but that day 1 still reads as scum. 20: VisceraEyes- I dont really understand his existential crisis that he all of sudden for no real good reason but i dont see the scum motivation. Like he didnt use it as an excuse to not talk about the game as he is still talking so i would say town on him. has been generally active and talking about the game. His thinking that it may be possible both coag and yamato could be scum is kind of ridiclous as in to ridiclous to come from scum. 22: geript- scum his biggest contribution for the entire game was to tunnel dp and make him rage quit. outside of that the rest of his day one was useless and hasnt done anything this cycle scum 23: Risen- i dont fucking know hasnt really done anything could be scum in fact i would say leaning scum 24: LoneMeow- dont know: calling stuff wierd but not scummy here http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071¤tpage=35#690 scum do that because they dont have the balls to actually call someone scum. fucking martyer. suspicious of umasi though gives me pause might be super bad town. plus these days people who martyer have kind of been flipping town unfortunatly. 25: marvellosity- Town seems active and intrested i will say town and improve my record of reading him almost always correctly. seems to have setled into the role of town leader. 26: Zaragon- scum played the im a newbie card kind of wierd that he would go after ve as scum but in effect his vote was wasted and did nothing of vlaue. Says stuff like this http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071¤tpage=87#1721 says sent isnt great case but leaning scum????????? dont know what that means. and wants to say im not sure it seems a lot and never really reaches solid conlusions that much. 27: Mattchew- scum Terrible response to the pressure that has come to him. Seems like he has decided to use this cycle to just calling marv scum without putting any effort in to convince people why or to dow ell anything really. Seems to have resigned to his fate http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071¤tpage=149#2977 and dosnt want to try to convince anyone of anything. The spotlight is on him and he has crumbuled. mocs case has merit i specfically like his points about his approach to stutters. dont really care for the voice mafia junk but mattchew's actions since the case make me strongly believe he is scum Umasi-scumi will give credit to firmtofu here i think he made solid point here http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071¤tpage=151#3011 hes scum for that i would say 29: justanothertownie- was going to stay up to see my post +1 for eagerly awaiting iamperfection posts. outside of that he hasnt done a ton and hasnt had strong reads but seems to be self aware of that fact in a matter of fact way. My gut would say town. 30: Mocsta-towni like his case been active extremely likely town i would say efort etc.... On September 25 2013 22:53 iamperfection wrote: mattchews defense looks real i would say town on him plus it wasnt just defense he gave some reads and seems like he is trying to put 2 and 2 together. Cephiro lynch would be ok maybe like 55 60 percent. Shity way for him to play as scum but i could definitely see a scum using his constant ill totes contribute later and just never do it. panda bear guy im not so hot on for his lynch. Basically it isnt super clear who he wants to lynch the most right now even though he said he aims to do that today. like with mattchews defense i don't really know who i want to lynch either so i don't think that's a smoking gun. best course of action would be just to see what he does today. GoT: + Show Spoiler + On August 08 2013 23:10 iamperfection wrote: like i dont know where your going with this acro like i said to you in pm about xatlos ------------------------------------ i will tell you this 1. he put himself out for lord first of any of us 2. Has been very active in pms 3. aggressive towards grack I would say those would points would indicate him more likely to be town On August 09 2013 10:32 iamperfection wrote: This message is for everyone. We are simply not lynching ryan or acro under any circumstances this cycle and i want your help to find the true scum in this game. Regardless of what you think of the two their activity alone makes them not the best chance to lynch scum. We all know that scum tend b e less active than town and like to lurk in the shadows. This biting each others heads off serves no purpose but to create an atmospher not productive to town because it allows to lurkers to continue to lurk and the scum along with them. I want to know have nonposters in your house been active in pms. Gumshoe has contacted me stating that he will be on later and as of yet still hasnt posted. I havent heard from grack to last night. I want to know if any non posters are in contact with you and if you have suspicion of them from their n0 commitment and recent pms. regardless if they are pm'ing you i want to know why they arent posting in the thread. IE ( Sharrant is in contact with you but isnt posting in the thread acro) these are the pieces of shit that come to mind FirmTofu- Decided to complain about activity and did nothing else Gumshoe- Had a good feeling from pms that he was town but is mia Grack- Mia since last night Kush- Non contributer who i want kp directed at because he can contribute as town and isnt nacho- non poster and i havent heard anything about his pms Sharrant- as stated before On August 09 2013 22:34 iamperfection wrote: totes town Dandelion[green]- Been active with his thoughts interested in the game had a same thought as me when calling out a weak post as s&b. I will eat my hat if he is scum Xatols- Active making logical conclusions in both pms and in thread Oatsmaster- Shit up the thread with yamato putting the spotlight on both of them. Has put his thought in actively since then as well. weaker town reads. [green]Risen Lol worst analysis that i have ever seen in a game for such a long post but seems like quite the commitment for scum to make. ClarityNl Was under a ton of pressure for the leak the name stuff. For someone who was under so much pressure he was able to explain himself fairly well and didnt run away. I think if he were scum he would have had much more difficulty. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ scum city Vivax Vivax is a player that can contribute a lot as town and can even catch scum. He has done next to nothing in this game and seems like a guy just going with the flow and not sharing his thought process or actively trying to hunt like he usally does. Vivax should be one of the leaders of this town and he is not doing it for whatever reason. this post is wierd http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423047¤tpage=47#939 Why is he not actively giving his thoughts and he actually never gives thoughts just asks a useless question. and my f5 snipe just caught this Where are vivaxs thoughts all he says is he is intrested to hear what other people are doing. Vivax is usally the one pushing for what he wants. I think vivax has a high probability of flipping scum. Kush He can spontaneously combust for all i care Gumshoe Weak but he bothered to contact me and hasn't posted why the fuck would he do that Sharrant Same as gum but with acro instead of me Even just from a pure "how much text he's willing to post I can't find anything like that in catastrophe nor in this one | ||
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On July 09 2014 03:59 IAmRobik wrote: No. iamp is my bro. And I think he's town. He basically gave himself an excuse to lurk before the game started, and he's been the 2nd most active person in the game. This is a huge town tell. Plus, he seems to push the idea forward that I am town (which is correct), so I'd like to keep him around until someone proves that I'm wrong about him. THANKS! http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/461003-tl-mafia-lxvii-storm-mafia-2?page=55#1082 That's pretty fucking convincing if you actually go take a look through his other games. Arguable he only had catastrophe as mafia recently so the sample size is quite scarce if you don't want to go back to 2012 when he just posted different all in all. But the difference in willingness to put something forth is there. He isn't the 2nd most active person in the game and he's only been posting 1liners or 2liners. No "here's what I think and why people need to die" no nothing. | ||
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/461003-tl-mafia-lxvii-storm-mafia-2?page=55#1082 Koshis post in there and what I wrote in addition when I looked at his town games to doublecheck that. | ||
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On July 09 2014 07:07 iamperfection wrote: What do you think of my point on sloosh toad? doesn't sound like something malicious at all. Sounds like him trying to explain what he agrees with and yes, that's going to be rehashed stuff. But I'm afk / off for now | ||
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I think my case on forumite is really good. I think the case from Koshi on IamP, and the back-up from me to prove it from the other side as well and showing his towngames is really good. I thought ObiWan makes for a good lurkerlynch if we want to lynch a lurker. I'm saying "thought" not because that has changed but exactly because it hasn't changed at all. It's still the exact same thought as last time I mentioned it without rereading him or rethinking about what he posted or taking into considartion what he might have done afterwards. So that last one is to be taken with a grain of salt. So those are the three options we have in my mind. There might be someone else when I'm done catching up but from an as objective point of view as possible I've got to say that IamP looks like the best lynch. Strictly from a feelings point of view it does feel better to know that it's not just confirmation bias because Koshi was the one who first did the case, everyone ignored it until I quoted it, added something and said that's really good. Even then people still ignored it, later on sloosh and forumite agreed (well foru had to because the other option is him, so screw that) as well but it went still largely unnoticed. HOWEVER it is something that I can say that I agree with without it being from me. With the forumite case it could always be the case that I like it because I'm delusional just because I wrote it On top of that the one big post IamP did is the textbook definition of "I don't believe that post one bit". So I went ahead and just checked it out. The guy has me as mafiaread because of some random thing that was obviously a joke and NOTHING ELSE. He has cora as mafia, the guy I pushed quite early myself, sitting right next to me. The reason he's got cora down is because he's complaining more than doing anything, which can be said about 50% of this thread to be frank AND because he didn't like his first post. Mmmmmh, his first post? Oh right, that's the one big post that I covered in red and IamP went ahead and agreed with me. Funny, isn't it? All in all, the entire post just screams "I have to get something done" and I bet you VE balls that it was done very promptly when either he realized that he has to do a big post or one of his buddies told him to post something big. The post is big but it is completly done on the fly without thoughts behind it. IamP dies today inb4 someone claimed scum in the last 15 pages and my dramatic speech is all for naught #vote Iamp | ||
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On July 10 2014 00:11 IAmRobik wrote: I noticed that too and threw up a little in my mouth let's just hope they're both mafia and it makes sense that way o/ No need to overthink things when I can't figure out which way it is anyways... | ||
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On July 10 2014 00:12 Forumite wrote: Funny. I did it because of Robiks reaction. What do you think about his defence of iamp? I honestly don't give a crap about what he thinks about Iamp. Sorry Robik, but you really need to cool off your head. I can't possibly trust someone who's got foam around his mouth while telling me what to do. | ||
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On July 10 2014 00:15 Forumite wrote: Toades, what do you think about robik defending iamp? he's emotional, he doesn't make sense while doing it and it all comes down to his innitial read that he doesn't want to give up on. | ||
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On July 10 2014 00:19 IAmRobik wrote: Give me a point by point case on why iamp is mafia besides "phil made a case on him one game" I'm heading out for some shopping right now so it's going to be short
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On July 10 2014 00:30 iamperfection wrote: i had planed on it anyways i do it all my games and have even done it in a scum game. maybe in a scumgame that was 2 years ago, it sure as hell didn't happen in catastrophe and the ones in your towngames looked an awful lot better. Like I said, the one you did this game looked like someone told you you have to make one, or you thought you have to make one and hastily put one together. Not convinced by that at all. And that's your only post you've done this game for what I'm concerned. In your towngames you even have multiple of those and they all look better. But really off now | ||
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On July 10 2014 00:37 iamperfection wrote: that would point to me being town. If you have to jump through hoops to keep a read its probally wrong. The easiest explanation is usually the right one. You not seeing this is huge red flag too. ITS DAY ONE OF COURSE IM NOT GOING TO HAVE MULTIPLES OF THEM. it would point to you being town under 2 conditions: 1) you put some effort into that post because like you said you even did it in a scumgame as well 2) you making that post before people pointing it out in cycle that basicly is 3 days Neither of those 2 are given. I'm not going to give you towncred for doing what I told you to do, to look like your usual town self, which you then went on to do in a very sloppy and poor way... | ||
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It's between those 2 right now. | ||
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IamPerfection vs ObiWan vs Forumite pick one out of those 3. Toad has decided. I see the cora points and I don't mind them but let's reduce the chaos. IamPerfection and forumite because those 2 are mafia. ObiWan is the lurkeroption if you disagree with both reads, but I want an explanation if you disagree with both reads. | ||
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it's actually the reason I never wanted to consider the guy VE wanted lynched as a lurkerlynch. I thought that if we're lynching a lurker that's somewhat of a coinflip and if VE is wrong on that a shitstorm happens, VE rages and everyone loses. At the same time worst case of hitting town with a lurker Koshi or I propsed would be one of us being wrong but noone in his right mind would lynch either of us for that It's because I love you VE and I don't want to see you get broken. At least not as long as I'm unsure about your alignment. | ||
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On July 10 2014 02:07 VisceraEyes wrote: I wouldn't rage if mderg had been lynched and flipped town Toad. My days of rage are waning. all the jubjubs would rage at YOU, and you'd rage back after having to deal with nonstop bullshit, or so I think. | ||
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On July 10 2014 00:22 IAmRobik wrote: I'm glad that someone else is finally saying what I've said. Hopefully someone will read and answer this now. HOLY SHIT robik if that's a point you think is worth a damn it makes iamP more likely to be mafia, doesn't it? Why would cora go out of his way to say bullshit like that other than being forced to say that? This explanation from Vivax makes sense if, and only if both cora and iamP are mafia. If iamp is town Cora wouldn't post this with a mafia agenda in his mind ("have to protect iamp") but rather he'd be posting it because he's more familiar with one of the 2 players, which isn't all that alignment indicative. | ||
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On July 10 2014 02:33 27ninjabunnies wrote: Someone unvote so mafia doesnt hammer that shit. why don't you put your vote on someone who has the chance to get lynched today? Do you disagree with all 3 of Foru / iamp / cora ? | ||
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On July 10 2014 02:37 27ninjabunnies wrote: I disagree that cora and iamp are the lynches. I would lynch forum, but he doesn't even look like he is an option. How many are voting for him? 1 person. And thats bill. I'm on ritoky, because I think he is our best bet. He isn't even around for voting. Scummy af. may that be as it is I'd bet my balls on forumite being more likely to get lynched than ritoky. He was on 8 votes just recently and people unvoted him because of iamp. Getting him lynched instead wouldn't be all that difficult. | ||
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On July 10 2014 02:40 Toadesstern wrote: may that be as it is I'd bet my balls on forumite being more likely to get lynched than ritoky. He was on 8 votes just recently and people unvoted him because of iamp. Getting him lynched instead wouldn't be all that difficult. please don't interpret this as betting stuff outside the game. I'm not actually betting my balls here. | ||
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On an unrelated note Vengeful spirit looks like something that wins if player X is dead while they're still alive. So I'd assume Tehpoofter had to kill either iamp or 27ninjabunnies At least 2 useless people gone that would have had to be dealt with sooner or later and we got some reactions out of it. Make sure to reread people's reasoning on why they voted for iamP and especially those that didn't want to vote iamP and if that made sense or if it's just mafia speaking with confirmation bias because they knew he's not mafia. | ||
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As for vigs, we have a lot of useless people. If you're not sure what to do killing useless people is always good. If for nothing else but for the coinflip for the sake of motivating people to do something. With that being said, rereading the people who defended iamp as being town, there's bound to be mafia in there to get that delicious towncred and to yell "told ya" right now and football afterwards, so problably only short posts after midnight from me or nothing until morning. | ||
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On July 10 2014 03:17 IAmRobik wrote: There were like 3 people defending him -- me, bunnies and maybe prplhz but not really. I'm town. Bunnies, based off the fact that she's 3p and had some "outlast the other spirit" wincon, was definitely town siding. So unless you want to read prplhz who was really fucking awkward with his pseudo defense of iamp, you're better off just looking at the people who sheeped Koshi and tried to tack on nonsensical bullshit. P.S. Yamato is like 1342809482039% scum. He should die at some point this game, but only after Koshi is put in a casket for his d1 antics 14 people voted iamP. That means there's a lot more people who didn't want to vote IamP. I'm not particularly looking at you simply because you've done it so drasticly (but really, that's a null). More along the lines of layabout or whoever else comes to your mind in that regard. | ||
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On July 10 2014 03:22 IAmRobik wrote: I'm a null read for hard defending a town against accusations that were rudely inaccurate? You must still be riding high on that Germany. the act of defending iamP like you did is a null. The rest of you looks townish. | ||
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On July 10 2014 03:33 IAmRobik wrote: it's an honest question! You said you're playing better than anyone yet you supported a lynch of a townie. What is good about that play? YOU CALLED HIM TOWN AND PROCEEDED TO VOTE ON HIM! That's not good town play. That's illogical town play. If it was 30 minutes left and it was no-lynch or lynch iamp, then MAYBE you lynch him. But you called him town and still lynched him. That's not good. That's bad. That's an unforgivable error. that's actually a decent point. People who don't step up to try to put up something themselves don't get to whine about the result | ||
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On July 10 2014 03:35 IAmRobik wrote: I'm gonna avoid telling certain people this game that I think their 4 year old autistic sister is writing their posts for them. Instead I'll just say that there are people that I want dead. Before the end of night (in case medic can't/doesn't save me for some absurdly poor reason), I'm going to make a list of those people who need to die. We will follow that list until the end. If the game isn't over, then townies are allowed to make decisions for themselves. Until that time, y'all have proved yourself unworthy and will be sheeping me. Thanks! lol no | ||
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On July 11 2014 03:29 VisceraEyes wrote: Scum were probably NOT bussing this guy. He didn't just hide flips, he KILLED people AND hid their flips. On July 10 2014 01:35 Toadesstern wrote: Battle Royale: IamPerfection vs ObiWan vs Forumite pick one out of those 3. Toad has decided. I see the cora points and I don't mind them but let's reduce the chaos. IamPerfection and forumite because those 2 are mafia. ObiWan is the lurkeroption if you disagree with both reads, but I want an explanation if you disagree with both reads. *ehem* Sorry for the IamPerfection part but I'm not even mad. Surely you could say that I was telling people to pick between forumite and Iamperfection and only pick ObiWan when you don't want either of the other 2 lynched but holy crap I would not have picked ObiWan as a bus as mafia, EVER. Also I had some fair amount of talk about how I liked him lynched the most during the lurker talk if we're lynching lurker if I recall correctly. Sorry for brags, but just to make sure noone is trying to get me lynched because of IamPerfection because I haven't read a thing yet with TI and all. I mentioned ObiWan quite a lot during the lurker discussion. There should be some delicious information in my filter and especially people responding to the stuff I said about that. I'm going to read some during the early morning hours as I don't have to wake up tomorrow and I'm pulling an all nighter. | ||
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On July 11 2014 08:18 Bill Murray wrote: I was roleblocked last night let me just ask this way: why would you claim that? | ||
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On July 11 2014 09:01 layabout wrote: yeah i think he need to say a bit more before we speculate since you don't get informed of a roleblock gosh thanks for telling him outright instead of waiting for his answer to my question... | ||
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Pretty sure I would have continued pressuring it hard had he ignored it and brought attention to it had people spammed it away... Now I'm forced to consider whatever kind of bullshit reason he brings to the table at facevalue and consider it a null Yes thread more readable, but a possible scumslip made useless... whatever no point in whining about spilled milk | ||
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On July 11 2014 09:34 VisceraEyes wrote: I mean, it's common knowledge that Palmar runs his games this way. Bill would (I think) know this...so it's a little ridiculous if he thinks he can get useful information by fake-claiming roleblocked. Unless he actually /was/ roleblocked, in which scenario you'd have to assume that he /is/ a power-role and actually /knows/ he was roleblocked (because of a targeted action not resolving or whatever). But in that case, why does he claim it? Mafia don't know if they actually stopped a power of his or not, so it doesn't make sense from a town perspective to claim having /actually/ been roleblocked in that scenario. There's no benefit for town to know this, and EVERY benefit for mafia to know it. My conclusion is that Bill Murray is faking roleblocked here. I don't know if he's doing it as town or mafia. If he's town and doing it, it's important that we hear his reasoning for doing so. exactly. The only thing I can think about would be something like a vig who shot someone and he assumes his target would not be protected or something like that. At the same time I disagree with you about BM knowing that Palmar runs his games that way. I do not think he'd know that at all. He's not that kind of guy who thinks about that and neither is he the kind of guy who actually reads the OP before he sings up for something. Yes, that's speculation from my point of view but I feel rather strongly about it, which is why I asked the question rather than just point it out... | ||
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On July 11 2014 10:13 VisceraEyes wrote: Maybe I prefer a Forumite lynch today. Maybe layabout CAN manipulate me. ##Unvote ##Vote: Forumite I like my BM vote until he starts explaining | ||
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On July 11 2014 10:45 slOosh wrote: Also to get some more feedback on my thoughts D1 felt like very little scum manipulation was involved. Koshi Toad and I started the iamp wagon, and drummed up support and people hopped on. I think generally scum team got lazy and played very passively, just posting to avoid attention but not active in town direction. So from scum team perspective how I would have tried to approach D2 is point out people on the iamp wagon as being scummy / opportunistic. Which a couple of people have done. ritoky pointing out yamato, hiropro pointing out VE, uhh ... mderg pointing out yamato / VE sort of. Not that this necessarily makes them scum, but it's where I would look. But then N1 blows up their plans since ObiWanShinobi flips town and yamato and VE look real good, and now they don't know what to do or say and they have like no thread presence. In conclusion: I wanna kill all the lurkers cause it's most likely scum are in there. At least, that's my interpretation of the game so far. Uhh I need to reread Forumite to see if town atmosphere felt similar or different to his wagon vs. iamp wagon. Yes, I will do that after a nap. yeah agree. It does support the "there's bound to be mafia in the non-iamp voters who just parked their vote doing nothing all day long"-thesis. BM looks bad that way, damdred looks bad, mderg looks reasonably bad if I can trust you guys without reading about him. At the same time we know that bunnies and ExO aren't mafia. The first one for sure, the 2nd one pretty unlikely to be mafia | ||
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On July 11 2014 11:15 ritoky wrote: We aren't allowed to ask questions to the mod in the thread, but the way this is worded is disturbing to me. Cuz normal janitor has the body flip but it flips as ??????. This says the person mysteriously disappears and will not flip. So uhhhh, does that mean someone could be dead in the game right now and we don't know about it? If that's the case I might just systematically start voting on every single person in the game, wait for a vote count to confirm they are alive, then move to the next person. not flip usually means just what you said. We'll be told someone is dead but not what his role and alignment were. | ||
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Long story short: I think that as long as koshi isn't the guy who masoned himself it's somewhat likely they were masoned by mafia. I don't think prplhz masoned them judging by his reaction. I don't think a townie would have thought they'd make a good couple either so really the only explanation left would be either Koshi not caring and just masoning himself or them being masoned by mafia. If they got masoned by mafia it's really unlikely for them both to be town. | ||
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Actually I guess he could be using it to try and figure out prplhz as well... time to check what he thought about prplhz earlier | ||
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On July 11 2014 04:42 prplhz wrote: if you read obiwan's filter and didn't think he looked scummy then i just think a townie would be more likely to say "i don't think he looks scummy is why i'm not voting him, why would i think he looks scummy?" and not "show me a case and maybe i'll bother" On July 11 2014 05:28 prplhz wrote: whoever the fuck masoned me with koshi can suck a dick both post post n1, the first one happened before the second one. Looks like they got masoned during the day and not during the night to me so it is indeed possible that it was Koshi trying to figure out prplhz | ||
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And the bad part is that, like I mentioned, I have to take that at face value... | ||
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On July 11 2014 13:43 Toadesstern wrote: I think he's claiming that he fakeclaimed being RB'ed, instead tracked someone, that someone visited Koshi last night and had some convoluted masterplan to net someone by fakeclaiming RB. And the bad part is that, like I mentioned, I have to take that at face value... okay continuing that thought: BM tracked someone he considered to be scummy because why else would you track someone, right? So he allegedly has someone who visited Koshi on n1. The question about wether he should out him is because he consideres Koshi a person that is likely to also draw medics and the like, so it's possible that his scumtarget wasn't scum but a medic. At the same time mafia targeting Koshi with WHATEVER is equally likely though Considering that I don't believe this story at all, no we're probably better off without the added confusion, especially if the guy you checked was scummy enough to warrant a track but not shady as fuck enough for you to instantly out him... I mean you check someone because you think he's mafia and you don't even have the balls to out him because he could be a townie afterwards? Wtf? There's just no way a townie with a track on someone would think that, he'd be jumping in joy about how you netted someone Sadly enough this is BM and I can't say so with certainty... | ||
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That explains possibly missing KP. It does not explain how BM was so sure about the guy being mafia n1 that he wanted him tracked above everyone else in the game and now chickening out because he actually got a track result... Best case scenario would be if Koshi is a VET (still assuming BM is somehow telling us the truth) but that's a little far fetched to hope for. | ||
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On July 11 2014 14:47 VisceraEyes wrote: I was a bulletproof SK third party in the last Storm. Just throwin that out there. are you telling me Koshi needs lynching? I'd do that for shitz and giggles + Show Spoiler + probably+ Show Spoiler + maybe+ Show Spoiler + ...probably not. Where did my sense for adventure go On July 11 2014 14:48 HiroPro wrote: Let's imagine that you're a mafia player who got caught with his pants down like this. Do you: a) fake-claim b) ignore any questions as to why you lied c) try to out some power roles d) all of the above and now you know why I've been so mad at layabout... The whole thing just doesn't make sense because why'd he say he got RB'ed ON PURPOSE as a townie? On purpose means he knew about there not being RB-notifications. If he knows there are no RBs notifications to begin with I just don't see him doing some crazy plan either because he'd just assume that other people know about it as well OR that at least SOMEONE would point it out because "omg I just found mafia" (point proven by layabout and me) before anything happens. So there's about NO way that he knew about this thing with no notifications. Absolutely no way. If he doesn't know about there not being notifications there's no town agenda behind some convoluted plan because the knowledge would be needed for that. Thus I'm pretty fucking sure the guy is mafia who slipped but wanted it confirmed with my question because there is always that chance that the guy is just crazy and palmar literally flips a coins the moment he's dead to decide what BM will flip... | ||
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On July 11 2014 23:28 Damdred wrote: To me Exo showed that he was pretty town with the vote on obi and his flip doesn't make any sense for a mafia at that point to help a movement on such a good role when it could of really gained momentum at that point. <b>##Vote: Mderg</b> do you know who uses html tags? People talking in quick topics | ||
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On July 09 2014 01:44 Toadesstern wrote: worked out an awful lot better than the case on Iamp and the case on forumite has still to show wether it does bear any results:on ObiWan I know it's supposed to be a joke but that kind of phrase always makes me think the person in question isn't part of town himself... I wanted to blend in WITH THE TOWN.... who the fuck says that Was ObiWan the one VE pushed? I know he pushed mderg recently but I think someone was on ObiWan as well On July 12 2014 02:48 Damdred wrote: :Yea I do know how to use html tags .....sadly I was just playing around on a forum that used old html so you had to use the <> brackets and I just wasn't thinking when i posted so you do feel distressed about the fact that you just used html tags? | ||
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On July 11 2014 17:35 Bill Murray wrote: I tracked Sinani to Koshi last night. This is the first time BM mentions Sinani in his filter. No mention before that at all. Why did you track Sinani BM? Especially considering that there's other posts like this in your filter: On July 09 2014 14:56 Bill Murray wrote: I'm gonna answer that. I dont like Iamperfection for his hypocrisy relating to whether or not people do anything, but I still feel like Forumite is a better lynch, because of his flailing + scumslip I don't see anything that points me towards voting Iamp over a lurker Just my .02 take it with a grain of salt Would usually make me think you'd check someone like Forumite instead oO | ||
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On July 12 2014 02:58 Damdred wrote: I'm curious, What ways are there to interpret it? I thought about it being a bitchy way to say "nice try but sadly your effort was in vain, because XXX" | ||
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On July 12 2014 03:12 Damdred wrote: At least its two votes till hammer instead of one Koshi. Toad do you think that bm is scummier than Mderg? about equal right now. I however don't want to vote Mderg right now with there already being that many votes on him when we can still use this time we got. When palmar tells me that I need to get voting I'll see about it but not sooner. | ||
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On July 12 2014 04:01 layabout wrote: might need to rush off and i dont have time for full analysis but... these were the 3 main important lynches: obwian (Mafia) forumite(?) and iamp(town) obi wagon at it's highest i feel like prplhz and exo are town but might need to look over it fourmite wagons at it's highest toad sloosh and huruh are the ones i would be least confident calling town followed by billl full iamp wagon: people on iamp wagon that weren't on either of the other two of this group we know obi was mafia and that corazon was town, i am willing to label kush and sinani town so this suggest vivax or forumite is scum playerlist minus 3 main wagons IAmRobik town iamperfection town layabout ritoky batsnacks mderg Damdred Forumite HiroPro Tehpoofter 3rd party 27ninjabunnies 3rd party maybe someone could colour it? how am I part of the least townish guys when I was the one pushing ObiWan as well? Do you really think I'd bus that guy d1 as mafia oO What about the whole part where everyone agrees that I played a really obvious town d1? | ||
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As far as I know, no he hasn't... I still think he scumslipped and nothing else with his RB. He did not know that there are no RB-notifications. If he did not know that fact there's no reason to do that as a townie. As for mderg, I agree with Koshi, I like that post from him. | ||
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never said he's not a tracker, I said the RB part was a lie and he wasn't aware of there not being notifications. He hasn't even explained why he lied about the RB yet. Put yourself in his shoes and let's assume you're a townie who's lying for some reason. So you got figured out and people point out the no notification. Would you really just ignore that? Hell no, you would explain your stupid plan and how it's supposed to catch mafia and how awesome it is and how that's the reason he lied. He never cared to explain that part, that's because he never cared about the RB to begin with and just did it for shitz and giggles without a reason. Why would you do that as town? | ||
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On July 12 2014 06:07 Koshi wrote: I agree. But claiming RB for shitz and giggles is really strange. Especially because I don't see what he could gain from it as mafia. Towncred? meh. I was voting BM btw, so it's not that I don't see what you mean. I've seen people either claim being RB'ed as mafia or at least discussing it in mafia QT in I think about 4 out of my last 5 games as mafia? Maybe that trend stopped over the last year but for what I know shooting and RB'ing the same guy on n1 when you have very little reads about blues, thus hiding your RB and claiming it on one of your own guys for towncred is probably the most common mafia strategy on all of TL mafia? Even better in this game because you don't have to hide it because no notifications... | ||
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well my case on iamP failed horribly. My case on Forumite is still up in the air. My single point on Obi where I mentioned "lol doesn't sound like you're part of town" was a huge success and I'd say it's the same thing really. Not really role speculation that much but rather wether things make sense given what they said. That's the reason I was so much on him not ever mentioning Sinani before the claim but allegedly having him picked over a Forumite who scumslipped according to BM. I did think about the possibility that our Mystery Man (now known as Sinani) could be the guy who masoned you but thought better of it because BM should have gotten 2 trackresults that way. Anyways I agree that mderg or forumite are the safer options here. BM has that slight chance to be just whatever. | ||
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On July 12 2014 06:50 HiroPro wrote: Let's play a game here everyone. There are two players who both have a lot of suspicion on them. The majority of players have expressed suspicion on these two and there have been only 1 or 2 players who have voiced any defenses of these suspects. Yet one of them is on the verge of being hammered and the other has had two votes on him all game long. Which of these do you think is more likely mafia? what did you make of forumite vs IamP yesterday? That's an argument that can be made both ways. | ||
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On July 12 2014 08:02 mderg wrote: I´m honestly too tired to do that. The probability of me not being lynched is 0% let's assume you're not to be lynched. Who do you lynch? You can bully anyone and get your pick. Who is it and why. A little more in detail than your overview of reads. | ||
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Best case scenario: We killed a fucking mafia BM!! Worst case scenario: We killed a BM and all the people bitching about how he's supposed to answer questions he keeps ignoring will stop bothering with that. | ||
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On July 13 2014 01:54 Koshi wrote: From the top I would be wary of Toad if he keeps doing absolutely nothing. Don't know but D2 was somewhat poor? I think so. if BM flips red I caught a fucking scumslip that people ignored to get the guy you wanted lynched instead... | ||
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On July 13 2014 02:15 VisceraEyes wrote: Just another reason to kill Forumite. Guys stop ignoring this guy and kill him plz. that statement from him really is weird... What do you make of my thesis that townies without balls of steel (guys like you, Marv, VE and the like) usually tend to not talk a lot during night because they don't want to get shot, even if just unconsciously. On the other hand mafias don't feel that threat so they don't just lurk the nights and in comparison to townies post a bunch more than they did during day. | ||
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On July 13 2014 02:44 Forumite wrote: Are you serious? There´s no point in talking during the night. The night is for blues and scum, talking just gives scum more info on who is best to kill and what the blues might be doing. Unless you think you are going to get shot, shut up and wait until tomorrow. night is the time for shenanigans | ||
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On July 13 2014 02:47 layabout wrote: We can lunch bm for being confusing and not giving a shit but it's a dull road my feet tire of treading and beginning of the day set lynches kill the thread super goddamn hard and remove any pressure for town and mafia alike to actually play that's exactly why I want him shot. I don't exactly feel like pushing a d3 pseudo policy lynch that is about wether people think it was a scumslip and people who think it wasn't and nothing else to talk about for that particular lynch. | ||
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On July 13 2014 20:15 Bill Murray wrote: Kush killed Sinani last night... well, it IS kush, so I'm not counting it out that he had a role like Sinani's... but he's likely scum because he didn't really no visit... he was on Sinani, layabout... so layabout if you want to come forward and say whether or not this happened that would be very helpful right now.... wait was that a "he was on Sinani and layabout" or am I misinterpreting things here? But that's an unvote, if Kush really was on Sinani that needs some consideration. | ||
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On July 14 2014 00:37 VisceraEyes wrote: Because I think BM is mafia? I guess we can lynch kush, but I REALLY REALLY wanna lynch mafia today. REALLY bad. yeah that's my issue here as well... I really think BM is mafia and his story makes no sense whatsoever. But on the offchance of it actually being true and just not making sense because BM is lying for shitz and giggles as townie it does make Kush look really bad. Wouldn't mind a Forumite lynch one bit to bypass that somewhat troublesome decision for today... If this was anyone else who said Kush visited sinani I'd instalynch Kush but it's BM who said it. On top of that we have 2 dead people with an already flipped OP-VIG from mafia and Kush supposedly visited 2 people. The visit on Layabout wasn't a kill-visit even if Kush is mafia if we take that into consideration. So it's either a mafia with another role who RB'ed Laya and carried out the nightkill on Sinani or it's something entirely different (still assuming BM isn't lying) | ||
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Anyways would be happy if we can drag this out for a while. Todays WC finals GER vs ARG (I'm from Germnay if people haven't realized by now) and TI at the same time. So while I manage to get some things in here during drafts and all that it's going to be really tough today | ||
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On July 14 2014 01:45 slOosh wrote: Yea that seems like it is it. I have no reason to doubt BM. ##Vote: kushm4sta We have every reason to doubt BM there could possibly be... the question is wether he's telling the truth despite that lol | ||
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On July 14 2014 01:47 slOosh wrote: I know people are up in arms about his lying about roleblock, but everything else looks really consistent. At worst scum BM is offering a one for one on kush? Most likely BM is town tracker who caught scum. nothing is consistent.
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On July 14 2014 01:56 layabout wrote: Toad what do you think of the idea that BM is a town tracker and tracked Kush doing maifa things last night and kush was calling BM scum to try to get 1 last mislynch? certainly possible | ||
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On July 14 2014 01:58 slOosh wrote: Sure. I agree that those are truths, but to me they don't necessarily indicate scum. What I care about more is his N2 action claim, how he did it, and kush's response. BM tracked kush, and found him visiting two people, layabout and sinani. Sinani died. What role allows you to visit two people? I dunno, but scum factional KP does that. that's exactly what I'm saying... On July 14 2014 00:45 Toadesstern wrote: Either the guy straight up found mafia because it's scumKP + something else scummy like RB on someone else or whatever else like I already pointed out as well OR BM isn't town. Those are the two options here... | ||
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On July 14 2014 02:06 layabout wrote: 50/50 is avoiding making a judgement BM's behavior is also consistent with him being caught scumslipping. So my point is that we're not getting anywhere further than a 50/50 with this: On July 14 2014 00:45 Toadesstern wrote: yeah that's my issue here as well... I really think BM is mafia and his story makes no sense whatsoever. But on the offchance of it actually being true and just not making sense because BM is lying for shitz and giggles as townie it does make Kush look really bad. Wouldn't mind a Forumite lynch one bit to bypass that somewhat troublesome decision for today... If this was anyone else who said Kush visited sinani I'd instalynch Kush but it's BM who said it. On top of that we have 2 dead people with an already flipped OP-VIG from mafia and Kush supposedly visited 2 people. The visit on Layabout wasn't a kill-visit even if Kush is mafia if we take that into consideration. So it's either a mafia with another role who RB'ed Laya and carried out the nightkill on Sinani or it's something entirely different (still assuming BM isn't lying) If BM is actually town he can go on tracking people because apparantly mafia is not afraid of him and don't RB him. Another point in the picture not fitting: Why did it come to this to begin with? Why didn't they simply RB him or something like that... sure it could be possible that there's no RB but RB is probably the most comming mafia role in any game and yet BM claims tracker, does not get rb'ed, shot or whatever else and conveniently finds mafia the next night? How can you claim you're so sure about this that you want kush lnched? | ||
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Didn't lynch forumite d1 and instead went with the case from Koshi Shot ObiWan (a guy I pushed for on d1) Didn't lynch the one I wanted lynched the most d2 and instead went with the case from someone else Looks like I'm not getting my forumite lynch today either. Because BM / Kush are like 90% certain 1 town and 1 mafia but no idea which way. | ||
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On July 14 2014 02:56 Damdred wrote: I guess bm claim of a roleblock could come from robs power and the link being more randomized that time ma I wish kush could defend himself right now but one or the other is mafia id go with kuah because of his response ? BM wasn't roleblocked. How should he know that he was missing one of the targets from sinani as either mafia or town? How should he only be partially roleblocked to the point that he got one of the results but not the other one? There are explanations for that but RB's isn't one of them lol | ||
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Mafia doesn't seem to roleblock or shoot BM for whatever reason), so might as well let him keep tracking and prove this whole thing that way? That way we'd be more certain one which one of those 2 is lying with a mafia agenda (<--- had to put that there for the chance of BM being town and lying for shitz and giggles) If BM gets shot during the night and flips town because they obviously don't have a RB we instalynch Kush. If BM doesn't get shot we either get another track result or forcing him to keep this thing up depending on wether he's town or mafia. Both helpful for us. | ||
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On July 14 2014 03:22 Forumite wrote: Toades, make up your mind. Lynch me and be done with it if you want to but don´t drag it out. You are one of the towniest players in the game except for this one constant FoS on me. I´m calling it: If I and Toades are alive at LYLO then I guarantee that he has been scum all along, only keeping me around for an easy late-game lynch. if I'm alive at lylo people lynch me... because like you said, I kind of shouldn't be alive at lylo | ||
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we have a watcher on top of that. If BM is actually town we have everything we need to deal with it. If BM get's no result he was either RB'ed by mafia or shot by mafia and VE will see that, assuming VE is telling the truth. | ||
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On July 14 2014 07:22 ritoky wrote: yes, there's a possibility that kush thought sinani's claim was bs and shot him. that is a possible world. i mean, if both KP weren't mafia KP; i thought prp was more town than sinani the entire game, so of the two if i were vig, the more likely shot would have been sinani. do you think both KP were mafia KP? no there's no way that happened. literally no way. It's quite obvious that KP is missing from n1 and not the other way around. Also + Show Spoiler + http://gfycat.com/SplendidZigzagGorilla FUCK YES | ||
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On July 14 2014 08:14 ritoky wrote: still don't particularly like how BM baited like he was going to claim on me then claimed on the banned person who can't respond. but i will go with Occam's razor like the rest of you. ##vote kushm4sta the claim happened before the ban if I'm not horribly mistaken. The whole conversation pattern that laya quoted could not have happened had he been banned at that time... | ||
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The other way around is a bit tricky because I'm no medic and I don't know if we have some to begin with, but VE claimed watcher. But mafia still has to be afraid to be shooting into laya because we might have some. | ||
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On July 14 2014 10:00 Bill Murray wrote: If we have a Watcher on me, Maf will have to sacrifice one to kill me Do you think they will do that? What if there is a Doctor on me as well? That would be a total fail I doubt they will risk it that's why I said I want the watcher on you. If we have the watcher on you we get a 1v1 trade if they want to take it and I'm fine with that (sorry) because noone would be stupid enough to medicprotect you when we say we want a watcher on you and medics on other people like laya... The other way around we'd have the trouble of stacking watcher and any potential medics because we can't be sure we have a medic and VE might go "fuck it, I'll watch BM nontheless" Noone would be that stupid as a medic. Chances are always VE lied and isn't a watcher but we'd get him that way too with the RB already flipped. | ||
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On July 14 2014 10:32 ritoky wrote: updating previous posts with this day's voting info D1: iamperfection (14): prplhz, toadesstern, sloosh, harurh, visceraeyes, obiwanshinobi, kushm4sta, yamato77, alakaslam, koshi, forumite, vivax, sinani206, corazon corazon (2): iamperfection, iamrobik exo_ (1): damdred ritoky (1): 27ninjabunnies obiwanshinobi (1): exo_ forumite (1): bill hiropro (1): batsnacks Non-voters: ritoky, hiropro, mderg, layabout, tehpoofter Note: underlines are for 3rd party D2: exo_ (1): mderg billmurray (3): toadesstern, yamato77, hiropro mderg (11): sloosh, vivax, harurh, sinani206, kushm4sta, alakaslam, exo_, prplhz, layabout, forumite, damnedred forumite (3): visceraeyes, billmurray, koshi Non-voters: ritoky, corazon, vivax, batsnacks D3: billmurray (1): kushm4sta kushm4sta (10): toadesstern, sloosh, visceraeyes, batsnacks, yamato77, forumite, bill murray, hiropro, ritoky, harurh Non-voters: layabout, koshi, vivax, exo_, damnedred, alakaslam Note: layabout and bill murray are now green because they are 99.9% confirmed town. keep killing people like batsnacks, exo_, maybe harrurh and we should be good. Also quite funny that you make yourself green despite us not having a clue about you, almost forgot about you | ||
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If you're just doing this to look like you're doing something, might as well carry on with it like you did, but there's no point in posting it like that or you might as well save it on a .txt on your PC if it's solely for the purpose of looking up yourself. We do not know wether or not you're town... | ||
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On July 14 2014 11:08 layabout wrote: *toad like, even in nthe face of having confirmed mafia in front of him and even when i pressed the issue he refused to evaluate the situation objectively and instead pushed a blatantly mafia agenda. Also there is no way a town VE would act the way VE did this game. Mafia thought they could get a mislynch today and they failed you think I'd drop BM when I was certain I caught him scumslipping? In what world would I do that? If there's nothing else you got might as well just ignore it... | ||
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On July 14 2014 11:24 layabout wrote: Toad was pushing a mafia agenda yesterday that should be clear to everyone I was wrong yesterday, that should be clear to everyone. Show me where I pushed a mafia agenda Because I'm town I'm happy if mafia loses even if he calls me their friend... isn't all that hard now is it | ||
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On July 14 2014 11:31 batsnacks wrote: Yeah but, you're fine with layabout calling you mafia's friend? like I said, as long as noone else believes him and town gets to win he can call me whatever the fuck he wants to call me as long as it's not a violation against TL rules. | ||
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On July 14 2014 11:59 batsnacks wrote: Quote what I was saying. You can't. I haven't said anything. sorry that was meant to be a reply to laya | ||
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On July 14 2014 12:50 batsnacks wrote: But I am SO CURIOUS about the "other stuff." Why make us wait? nothing game related. I said I'm re-watching nyaruko-san right? It's quite commong to leave out stuff that is obvious in japanese phrases like the subjects or objects or whatever else really of a phrase so you're left with a lot less. | ||
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On July 14 2014 13:04 slOosh wrote: I dunno what you guys are talking about but I don't follow. Moving on, ritoky's approach to the BM / kush thing: I don't like it. Seems like a super convoluted approach to what I thought was very simple. Other people also had misgivings, but ritoky is like, waaaaayy off the mark on this one and talking about setup and 3rd parties out of nowhere. Agree / disagree? agree. I said the same when he posted it and told him it's as simple as "you either believe BM or you don't. There's probably KP missing on n1 but certainly not the other way around" | ||
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On July 14 2014 13:09 slOosh wrote: Guys are you like calling each other suspicious or what? I'm not following, and I don't wanna read more posts unless they have a point. not really, just casually chatting | ||
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On July 14 2014 13:16 slOosh wrote: Oh ... well ok ... I'm just gonna ignore it then I guess ... HaruRH and HiroPro also look poor for being absent for the discussion. Could honestly have been busy during the time and unable to post their thoughts on it, but looks bad. These cats need to step it up cause we gonna lynch one of them oooOOoOoOohhhHhHhH!!! Layabout is hellbent on getting me lynched and I claimed VT to make sure I'm not getting tracked by BM as I think it would have been a possibly check for him considering that I wanted him lynched if it interests you. | ||
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On July 14 2014 13:23 slOosh wrote: Uh yea back to this though, VE you can watch BM right? Then BM should track whoever he thinks is best. Since their roleblocker died, they can't freely shoot BM this way. Then depending on if mafia have poisoner or not, we might have a town protective role, so they can cover VE. I think chances of prplhz being poisoned on day 1 is meh though, as well as that would mean a lot of KP for mafia. This seems like a good idea. We already had that and don't forget Laya, he's pretty much confirmed as well because BM tracked kush roleblocking Laya in a game without roleblock notifications. On July 14 2014 13:24 batsnacks wrote: You threatened me Toad. Here: Why don't you stop leaving out other stuff you this is "obvious?" because not talking like this | ||
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On July 14 2014 13:31 slOosh wrote: Ehh I'm really fine with layabout since I felt like he was the only one who approached the BM kush issue in a good way. I can see his suspicion on you, and it is valid as you were quite reluctant which could be seen as a form of soft defense. Same goes for VE. I'll have to revisit that, but I could see town motivations for hesitations so yea. Could you give me your thoughts on how VE approached it? Saying something like "check me" is whatever. It's alignment null to me. Blue role could say it, scum could say it, VT could say it, it's like null. BM should do what he wants, he caught kush, so good on him and I'm sure he will make a good choice. his approach was the same I had, he thought BM scumslipped and thus wasn't sure wether BM is telling the truth or not. If anything I didn't like his claim out of nowhere because neither did it achieve anything nor was there any reason to claim for him. | ||
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On July 14 2014 13:43 slOosh wrote: Yea that claim seemed totally unnecessary. And stuff like this Makes me raise some eyebrows. EYEBROWS VE, BOTH OF THEM. Actually just one, to indicate suspicion, rather than two to indicate surprise. One eyebrow firmly raised. Hrmm ... medic consider protecting layabout / BM combo instead. Hmm ... read:+ Show Spoiler + On July 14 2014 09:49 Toadesstern wrote: nice one. Do we let VE watch BM to make sure he won't die and send our potential medics on layabout? The guy got roleblocked last night so he's town for sure as well. The other way around is a bit tricky because I'm no medic and I don't know if we have some to begin with, but VE claimed watcher. But mafia still has to be afraid to be shooting into laya because we might have some. On July 14 2014 10:09 Toadesstern wrote: that's why I said I want the watcher on you. If we have the watcher on you we get a 1v1 trade if they want to take it and I'm fine with that (sorry) because noone would be stupid enough to medicprotect you when we say we want a watcher on you and medics on other people like laya... The other way around we'd have the trouble of stacking watcher and any potential medics because we can't be sure we have a medic and VE might go "fuck it, I'll watch BM nontheless" Noone would be that stupid as a medic. Chances are always VE lied and isn't a watcher but we'd get him that way too with the RB already flipped. Watcher on BM, medics on everything else. We don't want them overlapping in the case of BM actually getting shot. | ||
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I actually thought Alakaslam was somewhat townish so I wouldn't mind leaving him alive. ExO has the benefit of being a ObiWan voter just like I was. Hiro is... underwhelming I really can't remember a thing he did this game but than again same can be said about forumite (literally someone out there, give me 1 (!) thing he did this game) and he's apparently a shining beacon of townieness because the people who pushed him are still alive... So yeah it's between ritoky batsnacks and damdred for me right now, leaning heavily on ritoky right now. | ||
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And even if, do you really want to lynch me (sooner than the other ones) because I thought BM scumslipped and thus wasn't sure about the whole thing despite people like ritoky, batsnacks and damdred still out there? When I was one of the few people who actually tried to get ObiWan, the 2shot-OP-VIG lynched on d1 and included him in my Battle Royale proposal? | ||
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I know I'm not mafia, I think Koshi is town and now with VE flipped town as well I'm pretty damn certain mafia was sitting back the whole game. | ||
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On July 15 2014 04:19 Damdred wrote: Toad some of what you said makes sense, the mafia we have found were involved in the mislynches however and helped push them that way and it would make sense for the others to spread out a little. However there are people who have flown more under than radar and put less towards the game than the three you named. However Rit does have a decent case against him, just like I have a decent case against me. Now there has to be something besides bat has flown under the radar, which I don't think hes really done btw especially compared to some. Yes and no: D1 was a push mostly from Koshi and later on from me. I know I'm town, I think Koshi is town D2 was a push mostly from Koshi if I remember correctly D3 was a push from layabout I don't think mafia had influence on who gets to be lynched and wether we lynched town or mafia was entirely depending on wether the townies who pushed the lynch of the day were right or incorrect. That's what I'm getting at. Wether mafia followed the mainwagon or spread out a little isn't something I wanted to evaluate with that statement at all. Both is possible and was most likely considered on a case by case basis: What fits the person's behavior? Would it make sense to join the mainwagon or was *the guy* saying that *insert mainwagon* was town all day long and thus can't just roll over and vote otherwise? That's mostly what I meant with playing under the radar. Yes it does involve the rare amount of lurking but it's mostly about wether or not someone had influence on any of the days for me because like I said, I really don't think mafia had anything to say on any given day so far. | ||
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On July 15 2014 05:11 Damdred wrote: Ok I understand what you mean their toad and i'd agree with you that what we've found so far. However back to the backsnacks question besides flying under the radar what else has he done to make you feel scum? Bat did actively fight for the lynch on kush yesterday so he doesn't quite fit into the category of not influencing. the kush lynch doesn't really matter all that much imo. As a mafia the moment you hear someone say they got a red check on one of your buddies you know it's true, you don't defend and you bus or pretend to be afk. You seldomly find a mafia doubting a check because the idea that someone is lying doesn't even cross their minds because of the knowledge they have. I don't remember him doing anything on d1 or d2 really and other people like ExO, who are equally scummy in that regard have the ObiWan thing going for them, something that's WAY less likely to be a bus simply because there was no check on him and it happened a little out of nowhere. | ||
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Anyways I'll put my vote on ritoky as well and let's hope BM descends down from the heavens to at least tell us wether he has something worth mentioning or not ##Vote: ritoky | ||
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On July 15 2014 07:39 slOosh wrote: Damdred what do you think about toad right now? Preferably before layabout talks. everyone knows layabout wants me lynched. He's been talking about it before BM was lynched all day long lol | ||
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On July 15 2014 07:53 Damdred wrote: I felt before last night that Toad played the day rather weird. His vote felt weird and out of place for how he played the game most of the time. Even after BM role claimed he pushed the vigilante to kill him before we even got information out of him Which is fine I guess, but getting any information out of someone is better than none. BM has been a bit frustrating but at that time everything besides the roleblock we were able to confirm and there were other blue roles that could keep an eye out on him. Even after BM survived, Toad still pushed him as scum and then slightly changed his tone with his vote but still tried to discredit BM in his following posts saying it was 50/50. While its true one or the other was mafia/town it would be extremely unwise for BM to pull that move as mafia. Hes pushing the town right now to focus on players he has deemed to fly under the radar and points out rit, myself and bat. I key'd on the bat part because I believe him to be town and he has helped and delivered insightful posts and it feels a bit off for toad to put him down here instead of exo_ who is much more under the radar at this point. And I still feel like he avoided the question that i posed him about what he thought was scummy about bat and just repeated what he said before basically. At this point toad feels a bit scummy to me, and while VE did try to watch toad he was apparently blocked night one as Koshi saw no movement, he could of been blocked night two as well. you do realize that the whole point of me was that he scumslipped and lied and thus I didn't believe his claim because I thought he scumslipped? Of course I don't give a crap about his claim... If you think someone scumslipped and literally goes aheand and is like "well, let's try again, I'm actually *insert something here*" would you believe him? And you're telling me it's weird how I was so deadset on someone I thought scumslipped and didn't listen to his claim which is literally the reason I said he scumslipped? | ||
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On July 15 2014 08:17 Damdred wrote: Then why would you even vote for kush at that point instead of pushing more on not believing BM? If you literally thought he would be scum why would you take part in a vote that could potentially kill a townie instead of on the person you think is scum! because we had someone claim a check and I can't ignore it. That's why I said if anyone else had said he checked that, kush would be a 100% certain lynch without a second of a though, with it being BM it's a 50/50 between both because both have something that would make me instalynch them in any other game. | ||
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On July 15 2014 10:29 layabout wrote:+ Show Spoiler + If people by and large aren't seeing toad a scum i might put the idea on hold. It really bugs me that ritoky labels those posts "vote analysis" it's vote data the analysis is the bit that you do with it that he hasn't done for instance: On July 14 2014 10:32 ritoky wrote: updating previous posts with this day's voting info + Show Spoiler + D1: iamperfection (14): prplhz, toadesstern, sloosh, harurh, visceraeyes, obiwanshinobi, kushm4sta, yamato77, alakaslam, koshi, forumite, vivax, sinani206, corazon corazon (2): iamperfection, iamrobik exo_ (1): damdred ritoky (1): 27ninjabunnies obiwanshinobi (1): exo_ forumite (1): bill hiropro (1): batsnacks Non-voters: ritoky, hiropro, mderg, layabout, tehpoofter Note: underlines are for 3rd party D2: exo_ (1): mderg billmurray (3): toadesstern, yamato77, hiropro mderg (11): sloosh, vivax, harurh, sinani206, kushm4sta, alakaslam, exo_, prplhz, layabout, forumite, damnedred forumite (3): visceraeyes, billmurray, koshi Non-voters: ritoky, corazon, vivax, batsnacks D3: billmurray (1): kushm4sta kushm4sta (10): toadesstern, sloosh, visceraeyes, batsnacks, yamato77, forumite, bill murray, hiropro, ritoky, harurh Non-voters: layabout, koshi, vivax, exo_, damnedred, alakaslam Note: layabout and bill murray are now green because they are 99.9% confirmed town. I believe that in the end mafia would prefer to be on the list of voters for kushmaster than not once they thought he was doomed. kush would have died yesterday or today so whilst a mislynch was desirable it would not be worth the risk of exposing more members of the team. Even if they tried to save kush once it was clear that he would get lynched then, being on the wagon make them look a whole lot better than not. kushm4sta (10): toadesstern, sloosh, visceraeyes, batsnacks, yamato77, forumite, bill murray, hiropro, ritoky, harurh So if you agree with my initial statement mafia are likelier to be in; Group 1: kushm4sta:toadesstern, sloosh, batsnacks, yamato77, forumite, hiropro, ritoky, harurh Than in group 2: Non-voters: layabout, koshi, vivax, exo_, damnedred, alakaslam Next i would use my thoughts about the players in question to trim group 1 down to: batsnacks forumite hiropro ritoky harurh and after looking into that i might say that we should kill batsnacks or ritoky and since he never bothered to do any of this i would then say that we should kill ritoky. ^^^^^ Vote analysis agree, I pretty much had the same thoughts yesterday or earlier today... idk and came to the exact same conclusion that it should be ritoky-> damdred/batsnacks in that order. What do you make of the information that ritoky didn't visit anyone last night? We can be pretty sure that they used Kush for one of the KP but that still leaves 1 more with most likely something like 2 or 3 mafias left. Just yolo nontheless and vote ritoky or go for the 2nd guy in line instead because mafia would use ritoky in 1/3 of the chances and he did not carry out a kill? | ||
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On July 16 2014 06:37 Forumite wrote: Vivax seemed town and then went AFK. If he´s town then he´s not helping much, but town doesn´t gain anything from wasting a lynch on him, just another round of scum nightkills. If he´s town at least, there is a chance that he´s a mafia lurker but we have scummy active players too, so I´d prefer not to lynch Vivax. Based on what happened the day kush was lynched, quoted earlier, I think Sloosh looks bad. I´m prepared to hear cases on Damdred and ExO, Damdred because of prplhz case and ExO because lurker and bad wibes. ##Vote: SlOosh do you really want to lynch a guy who's at least posting though? We've basicly got half of the game not posting a thing around this time and I felt bad about SlOosh as well since he buddied a little early on but really, if that lynch goes south we're having troubles with how little people there are left to vote and do stuff... As sad as this might sound but this game basicly turned into "let's figure out who of the 10 people (or so it feels) who haven't posted in a week are doing so because they rolled mafia and who's doing it because they're bored" because either way we're not going to get help from those people. Vivax has the advantage of going into afk-mode before the lynch and outing of Kush happened so we can't argue that he felt like it's game over and that's why he's abandoned the game. That is unless the rest of mafia all belongs into the category of people like Alakaslam who won't post anymore this game, which certainly could be the case especially with my theory that mafia had 0 influence but it's a little added detail that needs to be that way to work out. I honestly don't even feel like reading peoples filters or making cases and just want to lynch down the list of guys who pretty much abandoned by now ... | ||
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was there something about batsnacks/damdred that made them look townish like a check or something else I missed? If no, that's my list I want to lynch down for today. The thing is highly likely to change for the next day, especially around the 5-7 spots because I want some more time to figure that out but the fact that forumite didn't even make the list is kind of telling ... I did like his recent posts, though he'd probably still be somewhere aroud slOosh/Vivax if I let that sink in a little more. Liking him right now might be something temporarily after all. | ||
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On July 16 2014 08:01 Damdred wrote: Did you miss toad how bm said bat didn't do anything toad? I did. So bat goes down the list to spot 5 | ||
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oh copy & paste error ... and saw Vivax. All in all I'd still rather lynch the a guy that in the worst case flips useless town that everyone is going to harp on until lylo like damdred than a possible horrible misslynch because Vivax and slOosh actually have the potential to do something and have done something. We need activity. | ||
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SK has 1 KP every night and mafia starting at 5 people should have 2.5 KP so let's say it's rounded down and it's still 3KP for the first two nights. Sure maybe they doublestacked or we protected some but that would be a little too lucky too make sense, don't you think? | ||
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On July 09 2014 00:01 ExO_ wrote: ##Vote: ObiWanShinobi I'm going to be completely honest I haven't read the thread in it's entirety. But from what I have skimmed through, it looked like forumite was pushed up prematurely for silly Day 1 reasons. So I prefer Obi instead. Sure it's a vote on ObiWan but it's a rather weak one that could be taken back any second because of some "ah finished reading, I want to lynch XXX instead". So yeah I'm pretty fine with lynching ExO_ at this time. | ||
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On July 17 2014 03:36 Forumite wrote: Back, what´s happening? vote damdred or we get a no-lynch. No other options right now | ||
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On July 17 2014 03:58 slOosh wrote: Bill Murray layabout yamato77 Toadesstern Koshi Forumite Alakaslam ExO_ batsnacks ritoky HiroPro Vivax That's my groups. BM is confirmed, layabout also confirmed (and Vivax doesn't acknowledge this), the next three are town on behavior. Forumite feels town due to how D1 went down, Slam I'm trusting yamato on this one, Exo is for reals inactive. Vivax is scum because my case, and the fact that he just happened to unlurk and deflect the lynch onto Damdred, HiroPro is scum for tunneling Damdred the whole game and doing nothing else, and also missing all of D1, and then it's probably ritoky or something. I can agree with that. If the groups themselves are ranked I'd put batsnacks a lower within the lowest group but all in all agree. I'd say there's a difference in towniness between Forumite Alakaslam and ExO_ but it should come down to all 3 of them being town and us having to yolo at this point in time anyways. So no more time for doubt. | ||
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For as shitty as this whole "don't talk during the night" argument was it has some truth to it right now. We don't need to tell mafia who's willing to lynch what right now. We just need to be faster on the ball the next cycle and hope we still have enough people around. That being said I'd totally nominate Vivax as town mayor and suggest we lynch Koshi tomorrow. | ||
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![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/cIdcWxJ.png) Not as funny ever since Alakaslam got banned and I ended up being the only one who posts stuff like that but whatever ##vote Vivax Also mafia seems to try and get a Forumite - Toad lylo happening, which makes me only more likely to think that I was wrong earlier on. Sorry Forumite I'll kick you in the dick if you turn out to be mafia though. | ||
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So why exactly isn't mafia shooting you? Just as an aside | ||
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On July 18 2014 06:51 Toadesstern wrote: ##vote Exo So why exactly isn't mafia shooting you? Just as an aside Why didn't they shoot BM and I've come up with 3 scenarios:
Anything I'm missing? I thought the third one makes it a little more likely for Vivax to be mafia at first but really the same is still true if Vivax is town. Either way I'd say #3 is the most likely scenario right now and think mafia did play high risk high reward here because again, they didn't and never looked like they had a say in anything starting from d1. #2 sounds possible as well but I think that'd be a bit overkill with their already flipped roles being OP-VIG and Roleblocker. Not sure if a change to a GF that doesn't appear to visit someone while killing people has ever been done on this site so I left that one out but it would fall under the 2nd point as well. Thoughts? What do you guys think does that make of Vivax? Because like I mentioned I'd say mafia assumed him to be checked last night. | ||
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Other options would be something like they're afraid of us still having a medic but with that guy already flipped it seems pretty unlikely. Should have included that one for completions sake as well though. | ||
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On July 18 2014 07:41 slOosh wrote: I voted wrong so I'm gonna fix it soon. Exo who has been totally absent from the game is found visiting the dude who died. Let's keep it simple. He is probably the mafia who was sent. if that was directed at me, yeah but that wasn't my point. I was asking about what that makes of Vivax. ExO_ is as much a clear cut insta vote as you'll ever get. | ||
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On July 19 2014 00:05 Wile E. Coyote wrote: D: Yeah this is the type if thing, once I remembered I wasn't modkilled immediately after remembering this smurf I felt a responsibility to this game. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/mzOF3GV.gif) that being said, I was secretly hoping for you to be bulletproof SK and to get in a 1v1 with the last mafia. That way he can't kill you at night, can't kill you during day because more than 1 votes needed and you'd kill him once the ban is off. And we'd just be sitting there waiting | ||
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hahaha so much for that no visiting and I even said that they should have expected vivax to be checked and thus have something like a framer or don't use vivax to carry out kills. | ||
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On July 19 2014 03:34 slOosh wrote: Not sure where you are getting that, but I'm all aboard for lynching HiroPro tomorrow. yeah. Remember the fact that Koshi, Forumite and I were kept alive so long and Koshi got shot only very recently and that I mentioned that mafia did that to hope for a Toad + Foru lylo were tunnel each other (okay, I'll admit probably more I tunnel foru than the other way around): On July 17 2014 04:23 HiroPro wrote: at this point I'd probably go like this. But I need to read. Forumite Vivax exo batsnacks ritoky toad/alakaslam sloosh bm/layabout Also had the feeling that Hiro's vote on ExO_ came a lot easier than his vote on Vivax. That's pretty guts based but take it as it is. Could have been timezones but I really thought his vote on ExO_ was early. | ||
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So BM gets into the thread like + Show Spoiler [gif] + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/sdI5fc8.gif) with his fake check on ExO_, people figure out it was fake and everyone turns around to Vivax and instantly everyone goes + Show Spoiler [NSFW gif] + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/jAsSAb1.gif) on Vivax | ||
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Though honestly I don't feel that strongly about ExO_ being town as other people (I think yamato called him confirmed town?). He's still down there just not as likely to be mafia as the rest, maybe slightly townish. On July 18 2014 04:51 Toadesstern wrote:
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On July 18 2014 10:12 batsnacks wrote: ##vote: exo On July 18 2014 11:56 Vivax wrote: ##Vote Exo That does look like a mafia attempted hammer though. | ||
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On July 19 2014 21:31 layabout wrote: i don't object to that but i wouldn't mind, if not a full claim at least the masoner to come forward in the morning honestly speaking that's the one thing that made me think he might be town after all. Quoted from flipped roles: Operator You are a phone operator of the town. Your mundane day job of connecting lines has suddenly become vital as you control the flow of information in town. Every night you can choose two players and connect them for the next cycle. The players you connect will be able to converse privately for the cycle. You cannot connect yourself. You win when all threats to town are eliminated. So most likely we have a mafia Operator who connected you and batsnacks and wether or not batsnacks is mafia he's not the one who set-up the mason QT. Assuming it's the same role, if that's wrong correct me but it did sound like it. It does come with some questions like why would a mafia connect two townaligned players. At the same time you've got to think that it IS batsnacks being mafia + another mafia operator they'd be talking to each other, don't you? So I don't think it would happen that batsnacks just doesn't talk if both are mafia. But that's a gutread. At the same time I highly doubt we've got a set-up that has 3 town Operators. 2-1 split up between sounds more logical to me if there's a third one. That again is a gutread though. | ||
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On July 19 2014 22:01 Toadesstern wrote: honestly speaking that's the one thing that made me think he might be town after all. Quoted from flipped roles: So most likely we have a mafia Operator who connected you and batsnacks and wether or not batsnacks is mafia he's not the one who set-up the mason QT. Assuming it's the same role, if that's wrong correct me but it did sound like it. It does come with some questions like why would a mafia connect two townaligned players (assuming batsnacks isn't mafia for scenario #1). (here comes scenario #2): At the same time you've got to think that if it IS batsnacks being mafia + another mafia operator they'd be talking to each other, don't you? So I don't think it would happen that batsnacks just doesn't talk if both are mafia. But that's a gutread. At the same time I highly doubt we've got a set-up that has 3 town Operators. 2-1 split up between town and mafia sounds more logical to me if there's a third one. That again is a gutread though. EBWOP, sorry didn't sleep today... | ||
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On July 20 2014 04:31 yamato77 wrote: much anticipation ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/MU7ywxz.gif) | ||
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Also this game started out as a 26 player game. There have been 3 mafia flips. The KP has somewhat constant been around and there's no way there's 3 mafia left. Maybe 2 mafia + 1 SK but that's tough luck as well... either way I don't think those 2 kills are comming from Mafia anymore. I don't see someone from town shooting either of the two either. Sooooo long story short either someone like BM or Alakaslam is SK I guess? I just don't see how the 2 KP can make sense without an SK, the SK would explain the weird kill on Haruh, the SK would explain lacking KP because mafia + SK might have accidentially doublestacked or mafia shooting a bulletproof SK. As for why I mentioned BM and Alakaslam: BM has done WEIRD shit all game long. But I have to overthink this thing a little... It's reeeeeally unlikely for him to figure out the trackresults when he just didn't care about the game. Alakaslam would make sense because maybe we didn't get lucky but it was just him being afk-SK and thus no kills from him and now that he's back the dropping KP from mafia (it should be dropping) and him getting back in the game equals each other out? These shots are confusing as fuck and we need to figure out what's going on. There's just no way we killed 3 mafias in a 26 player set-up, mafia that had a double-shot-Vig as well and their KP haven't dropped yet. A static +1 KP from an SK is the easiest explanation I see right now | ||
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On July 20 2014 06:08 Wile E. Coyote wrote: So Willis What has he done to deserve this, toad? I'm asking why the claimed COP has not yet been shot by mafia. | ||
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On July 20 2014 06:22 slOosh wrote: Scum could have another information role of sorts to disguise their KP, or maybe they think they can pull a mislynch on BM. I don't know, their KP have been pretty all over the place the whole game. ##Vote: HiroPro yeah they could have a framer, but honest question how likely is a 6mafia game in a 26player set-up? At least when I played the last time 6 mafias is what you use for around 30 players and for ~25 you'd use 5 mafias. If it's 5 mafias the KP should be down to 1 because (5-3)/2=1. If it's 6 it could be (6+3)/2 = 1.5 rounder up but come on, who does that. Rounding up on top of giving mafia 6 mafias in a 26 player game? On top of giving them a fucking 2-shot-vig that can make people disappear? No way unless things changed drasticly in the last half year I haven't played. Hiro seems to be the lynch for today but I really want to have my time for this. We could be in a lot of trouble if there's an SK. | ||
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On July 20 2014 06:33 slOosh wrote: Maybe mafia have a delayed KP mechanic. We have 1 missing KP from D1, so perhaps their KP drops the next cycle as to disguise easy setup deductions. I dunno, seems like we should just keep on lynching mafia. I don't see something that really indicates SK. yeah when it comes down to it I think it'd be way to risky to lynch someone else right now. I guess we can lynch Hiro and see what happens afterwards. But something's up here. | ||
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On July 20 2014 06:42 slOosh wrote: Like, I don't see scum strategy as arguing uphill against the lynch given how backseat all their flipped members have been playing, so they are probably shooting really weird and hoping we WIFOM ourselves to a mislynch. That's my current interpretation. Yes I was expecting weird shots to throw us off and cast doubt but I just wasn't expecting mafia KP to be unaltered after 3 mafias have flipped on d5 so far... Maybe it's some kind of static KP but I've never heard of that before. If that'd be the case I would have expected the roles to be mixed between people who can deliver KP and people who can't to get some kind of boundary in there for "lategame". So far every single mafia was able to deliver KP. | ||
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The fact that Alakaslam didn't feel the need to tell us about those masons earlier isn't sitten that well with me either. | ||
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On July 21 2014 00:01 layabout wrote: an sk 2 other 3p with kp and a mafia team with a least 2 extra kills is really silly i am not buying an sk in this setup you think mafia with 2KP after already being down 3 members is any less silly? | ||
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On July 21 2014 02:35 marvellosity wrote: Official Votecount hiropro (4): toadesstern, sloosh, billmurray, wilee.coyote With 8 players alive it takes 5.0 votes to lynch. Last update 17:30 GMT (+00:00) srsly, how in the world does this make sense to you layabout if there's no SK. 8 people alive and mafia's on 2 KP? The Vig already flipped so no way do they have another one with how OP the last one turned out to be. If they have 2 KP it's AT LEAST three (!) mafia still alive because that'd make for some sketchy 3 mafia alive => 1.5KP => rounded up = 2 KP but that's sketchy as fuck, both for the reason of rounding up and for the reason of having a 26player 6 mafia set-up. Either there's an SK around who's giving +1 static KP or the flips we've seen aren't correct and have been altered with by some kind of role... | ||
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##vote Sloosh | ||
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Didn't think a lynch on BM was possible and with BM claiming a track just now I really didn't think we'd get anything else and I just went all-in hoping I was wrong about BM... sorry | ||
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On July 22 2014 02:22 Damdred wrote: It was really possible Toad that a medic was trying to keep him alive but.... the fewer people were alive the less likely that it was so. Him throwing kush and viv down really helped him but the medic already died earlier on and mafia let the "cop" of the game while already having lost their GF alive for like 5 days straight and everyone's telling me to stop bugging BM... I even was "close" to being lynched for calling BM mafia on d3 or so That being said I didn't play well either. It was a really annoying game. I did put some effort into the game but once I realized that half the game isn't playing I really didn't put anything into the game anymore. We had so many lurkers and there was nothing to do about it and suddenly Alakaslam gets banned as well and it just got worse every day... | ||
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On July 22 2014 02:34 Palmar wrote: I (personally) think notifications give town way too much information that they don't need. My games have never had notifications. yeah I know and I actually agree but it was so frustrating going in this, thinking I was obviously town to EVERYONE early on and I'm still alive for some reason. Wasn't a complaint to be taken seriously I do think you should include the "post at least once a cycle" or "once every 48 hours" rule if you keep the instant hammer though. If you're telling people to post at least that much via pm, might as well include it as a rule from the get go. Sure it can be a strategy for mafia but I think it'd make for better games with that as a bottom line. On July 22 2014 02:37 Damdred wrote: If exo had actually played it might of been a bit different could of swung votes better towards the end instead of being stuck on one lynch. In this setup no notifications makes sense but Toad was right about a lot of stuff funnily enough, everything that was proper analysis ended up being wrong from me. The stuff that was about people's phrasing was mostly correct like ObiWan, BM scumslipping and well... except for the big post about cora. | ||
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On July 22 2014 02:42 Palmar wrote: or rather, exactly the KP formula found at the end of this post: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=15912782 WHY DID NOONE TELL ME ABOUT THAT | ||
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On July 22 2014 06:23 marvellosity wrote: BM would have been modkilled for posting after hammer if we allowed the ExO lynch. That was the choice we had. Honestly speaking I thought about lynching BM after that again because it sounded like he was really pissed about the lynch not going through. Think he posted something like "really palmar?" or whatever else, but in the end decided against it because noone was willing to lynch BM anyways. So I just tried looking elsewhere | ||
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On July 22 2014 06:27 marvellosity wrote: Well you should have lynched BM on the spot for trying to get a townie lynched for no reason with a fake check, followed by expressing disappointment that the townie didn't get lynched. No-one seemed to bat an eyelid. I was raging pretty hard at him the entire game and got a crapton of flak for it "omfg Toad, BM so obviously town. He delivered us a check. TRUST THE CHECK" and laya just kept on saying that it's BM, don't mind him | ||
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mfw I can't even win a game he's in when he's only co-hosting and not playing against me. | ||
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Though I completly forgot the advice that Marv once gave me about him... should have remembered that one earlier | ||
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