World Cup Mini Mafia

On June 25 2014 18:32 Koshi wrote:

Yesssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss



Let it be known that Vivax and I are trying to roll same allignment (town) for over 5 games now. But you people (hosts) won't allow it. So. Please. HF. kk?

On June 27 2014 06:36 Palmar wrote:
Explain your vote or you're confirmed mafia.

On June 27 2014 07:35 IAmRobik wrote:
1) Palmar town

On June 27 2014 07:35 IAmRobik wrote:
2) Sinani prolly maf

On June 27 2014 07:35 IAmRobik wrote:
3) Everyone claim your country immediately! This may seem insignificant now, but will prove very vital later in the game (i'll explain this part when it arises).

I'm Greece

On June 27 2014 07:35 IAmRobik wrote:
1) Palmar town
2) Sinani prolly maf
3) Everyone claim your country immediately! This may seem insignificant now, but will prove very vital later in the game (i'll explain this part when it arises).

I'm Greece

On June 27 2014 07:53 IAmRobik wrote:
Host clearly stated that the country that you are has no significance on your role or your alignment. Claim or die

On June 27 2014 16:43 Koshi wrote:
Hi Vivax. I am totes town. Totes town. 100%.
I did my part. Did you do your part?

On June 27 2014 16:46 ObviousOne wrote:

I'd like to hear why that is, if you don't mind, mister Vi Vax.

On June 27 2014 07:16 kushm4sta wrote:
tehpoofter did i ASK YOU?

also why are you talking just to talk huh??

for those two things you get my vote

On June 27 2014 17:54 Koshi wrote:

Completely. Nothing happened.

Robik is Robik. We lynch him if he doesn't perform. I am going to ignore his early game and see if he keeps it up in the later stages. I am reading his posts to see if anything really good is in it though. There hasn't been.

mderg dnu. He is pretty lurk always. I think meta will have to be used later the day. I would encourage Mderg to post more. Less than 1 page are extra mafia points.

Kush derped early game in normal ass mafia. Really thought he was scum there. But he wasn't. We shall have to watch him. Closely.

Notice how other people offered opinions when presented with sort of baseless reads. Cav immediately offered an opinion on the town-read on me. Vivax doesn't have an opinion, but he feels inclined to contribute so the simplest route to take is just to ask questions.

I knew he didn't actually have an explanation for it, but he should then just say so. Instead he panicked and decided to joke around instead.

I wonder what Vivax's opinion on whether activity needs stirring up is?

More questions, no conclusions or even insights into Vivax's thought process.

(...)

There is however a hole in my logic. Vivax has actually given us one opinion. This one here:

More questions, no conclusions or even insights into Vivax's thought process.

(...)

There is however a hole in my logic. Vivax has actually given us one opinion. This one here:

If there is no reason it cannot by definition make you look shit. If you do look shit, then there is a reason. This is logic 101.

Maybe I'm misreading the bolded, but it looks like Vivax believes that Kush hasn't read his role pm, which is contradictory to his opinion that kush is scummy, because someone who hasn't read his role pm is by definition not scummy, because he cannot be.

So either Vivax thinks Kush hasn't read the role pm and thus is not scummy, or he thinks he has read the role pm, and is thus scummy.

On June 27 2014 18:40 Palmar wrote:


No.

This is not how it works.

Scum whines about town atmosphere/activity/spam/whatever
Town actually does something about it.

You said activity was low. There is no reason for you to point it out. One person can fix activity if he really wants to. Look at what I'm doing!

If my logic is faulty grow some balls and call me mafia.

On June 27 2014 19:10 Koshi wrote:

Because they are true. You had many questions and as he pointed out you didn't have as much opinions.

Is it scummy? Possibly. I don't like how you went all angry and stuff. Just accept the case and move on. It wasn't a bad case. You should have told him off and went on hunting them scummers. At least I would have liked you to do that.

Is Palmar scummy? Not to me for this case, not at all. Only if he focussed you out while somebody else was doing the same thing. But even then. Palmar not scummy.

On June 27 2014 20:15 Palmar wrote:
Don't even pretend that you're oblivious to that. You know you cannot be called out for a thought process when you show none.

On June 27 2014 21:22 kushm4sta wrote:
everything ii have said has been serious.

people are scumreading for shit i said before I read my role pm, and therefore was unreadable.

now i have read my role pm.

On June 27 2014 21:16 Koshi wrote:
I think he is pretty town. Agree?

On June 27 2014 21:35 kushm4sta wrote:


I have been playing the game. My first post about poofter was 100% serious. It wasn't a 100% solid read but it was 100% serious. I think it's scummy when people answer questions for other people and I also think it's scummy how he was trying to be involved in the thread without doing anything I consider townie.

As for my relationship with robik, yes we have made sweet love many times. I broke up with him because his penis was too small however, and I need a real man to fill me up.
I played one game with him that I remember and he acted really confident but he was wrong a lot. So that's the history.

On June 27 2014 21:40 Koshi wrote:

Why are you asking Kush to lynch Palmar while you aren't voting yourself yet?

Kinda strange. Where is this Kushtrust coming from?

On June 27 2014 21:51 Koshi wrote:
Ok I was wrong about Kush
##unvote
##vote: ObviousOne


Doesn't make any sense.

On June 27 2014 23:15 kushm4sta wrote:


So you are limiting your d1 lynch to two of the most active people in the game? I don't understand where your certainty is coming from.

On June 28 2014 00:05 Palmar wrote:

Possibly, but are you then saying the main point of your case wasn't important to the case at all, and showing it as invalid has no effect on your conclusion?

On June 28 2014 19:25 mderg wrote:

I have a hard time reading koshi. His reaction to Palmar´s case on you is strange but I don´t get the scummy vibes from him. I also don´t think his non reaction to Robik´s supposed scumslip is scummy. So I don´t really know what to think of him.

Cav is a bit suspicious for 2 things, wanting to lynch between you and Palmar and not explaining his Robik vote/not unvoting immediately. Both are kinda suspicious but I could imagine him doing that as town, so I don´t think he should be lynched day 1.

Cav is a bit suspicious for 2 things, wanting to lynch between you and Palmar and not explaining his Robik vote/not unvoting immediately. Both are kinda suspicious but I could imagine him doing that as town, so I don´t think he should be lynched day 1.

I don´t see anything wrong with his play. The only thing I don´t like is his read on you and having a different read on someone isn´t really alignment indicative.

On June 28 2014 22:31 Rainbows wrote:
Calls robik probably town for his scum trap when most people are leaning that way, and then calls him scum for it later on when it's convenient. GG

Thinking about this Rainbow and sinani are not as scummy anymore. They both didn´t really disappear after the Robik votes as I first thought they did. It also should have been obvious to them that he did not actually slip, if they were mafia.

I also don´t like Robik that much anymore since he made this trap which is actually more likely to make townies look bad than scum.

On June 28 2014 22:51 mderg wrote:

you didn´t find scum. And your reasoning is shit.

On June 28 2014 23:08 mderg wrote:

If you are actually dayvig, you will be proven wrong soon enough.

In what world would the votes make sense when they´re mafia together? If Robik is actually mafia, there´s like no way they´re also mafia.

On June 28 2014 23:35 Cavalinho wrote:
I'm probably not going to be on at deadline. I'll be on maybe an hour or two before and that's it.

Still don't get why people think I look bad.

On June 29 2014 00:04 Koshi wrote:
Wait people actually really did believe the Robik thing. dafuq... I thought everybody was joking. But they aren't. This changes things. Sinani doesn't look so bad now. He really really believes it...

On June 29 2014 00:18 Koshi wrote:

Your case sucked. Sinani his first post wasn't a joke at all. Do you have more evidence or is that it?

On June 29 2014 00:22 sinani206 wrote:
Whether it was on purpose or not its scummy idgaf.

On June 29 2014 00:27 Koshi wrote:

There is no way Kush ignores Cav like that. Dafuq did cav do there? He makes a ballsy post on Kush, like, I never see people be so aggressive, and then out of fucking nowhere both Kush and Cav stop voting for each other? I don't get it. I really don't get it.

Kush didn't even address Cav his points. About the HaruRh thing.


They just split ways...

On June 29 2014 03:06 kushm4sta wrote:
oo that observation is so dumb it's townie

On June 29 2014 03:27 Koshi wrote:
I could lynch OO. That comment is pure shit. No townie mindset at all

On June 29 2014 04:32 kushm4sta wrote:
vivax, everyone is moving to cav. what do you think of him?

On June 27 2014 17:39 Cavalinho wrote:
Disagree with the Palmar read, want to discuss the kush read, slight town on mderg.

It's 4:30 AM and I'll post more when I wake up.

On June 28 2014 00:44 Cavalinho wrote:
Koshi having shitreads is not alignment indicative.

Tried to lynch him for it before, didn't work.

I want to lynch between Vivax and Palmar.

On June 29 2014 05:07 Palmar wrote:
Yeah it should be vivax. There is no point in the case on you aand instantly dropping it if I'm mafia.

Also I think I'm gonna do this based on his "lynch me day 2" thing.

##vote haru

On June 29 2014 05:22 HaruRH wrote:
He definitely won't survive past d1/n1 LOL

If people still want to lynch him -> dead
If he survive -> scum shoot him -> dead

RIP cava.

On June 29 2014 05:34 Koshi wrote:
Vivax, explain to me why Sinani is town. Otherwise you have no fucking justification to what you are saying here.

We are not lynching Blue claims.

Cav even soft claimed blue earlier.

On June 29 2014 00:07 sinani206 wrote:


The human brain works in interesting ways. I'm not saying he's 100% scum but since Robik is just constantly active, typing every single thought in the thread, I think there's actually plenty of opportunity for him to have accidentally said what he was thinking instead of the lies he is supposed to be spreading as scum.

Also the test doesn't really make sense from a townie perspective. I don't see why biting on that is alignment indicative.

On June 29 2014 05:59 mderg wrote:
Ok, between cav and sinani I´d rather lynch sinani

##unvote
##vote sinani

On June 29 2014 06:13 kushm4sta wrote:


i think it could make sense. It's natural to not want to lynch a blue claim. And there was only 1 other option.

On June 29 2014 06:23 ObviousOne wrote:
Cava too yeah that's the third time we've gotten an activity-related excuse from him this game and I hate those.

On June 29 2014 05:57 mderg wrote:

like WHAT THE FUCK?

On June 29 2014 05:59 ExO_ wrote:
I'd rather sinani over cava though so

##Unvote
Vote: sinani206

On June 29 2014 06:27 ObviousOne wrote:

Does that mean you think it points to him being town because that's something he would be aware of and wouldn't do it as mafia?

On June 29 2014 07:21 ExO_ wrote:
After I voted sinani he switched to cav

On June 29 2014 08:05 ExO_ wrote:
It didn't exactly have an effect, but if I hadn't voted then it would've had an effect if he still switched, because I'm pretty sure somebody else still switched

Vivax´s analysis of the situation changed my opinion. Others also said that they thought it was an actual scumslip, so I figured that I probably was wrong about that.
The trap seems to have caught some townies, sinani would not have been lynched without this and kush who is most likely vig also thought Robik slipped. So from what we know at least 2 townies fell for the trap and we didn´t catch any scum with this.

Accomplishments of Robik´s shenanigans so far:
mislynching sinani
calling us all idiots
figuring out that kush shot Palmar and calling it stupid (would probably have happened without the fakeclaim)

His shenanigans definitely didn´t help town so far.

People that are really bad at playing cop or mafia:
Cav - If you're cop stop claiming on day 1 please lord. This feels like your newbie game when you had to claim and still got lynched. I am okay leaving you alive for now because if you're cop mafia might kill you or just spam rb and if you keep claiming rb and someone else gets rb you're basically confirmed mafia so even if you're mafia mafia is out their RB ability so town can do as they please basically.

On June 30 2014 08:13 IAmRobik wrote:
cava isn't cop btw.

but we can leave him alive for a bit longer

On July 01 2014 13:14 Cavalinho wrote:
Actually, Vivax, I want you to answer a couple questions the next time you're back in the thread:

1) Why do you keep thinking I'm scum?
2) Why do you keep characterizing my play?
3) Why is it that you have reasons not to vote me in your filter, in yet you vote me anyway?

On June 29 2014 01:10 HaruRH wrote:
My reads:

[B ]On robik's fake scumslip

Robik's fake scumslip was the only good opportunity for us all to read reactions of everyone where not everyone is joking away. Cav and sinani stood out for me because they actually believed it was real and they weren't joking . Most have already unvoted and knew it was a joke/fake slip but they continued to seriously called robik scum. Next, exo came in and voted for robik, but never unvoted nor replied to his claims properly.

Reads on me

I also want to reply to all my read-ers properly. Idk why koshi decided not to scumread me, but I felt the love disappearing.
Rainbows continued to pressure me while I was still sleeping. Yay for rainbows. He is definitely town for the amount of content posted, but we all know posts don't mean town. Also, please don't be scared of another mislynch. It is not good to withdraw your vote and reads on me because you are scared.
Robik also scumread me and called me a good lynch for today. But he still haven't said why.

On June 29 2014 04:16 HaruRH wrote:
Hey cav, I'm giving you 1 hour 45 mins to post your case on me and the replies you had on 'stupid things on the thread'. YYor time starts now.

##Unvote
##Vote:Cavalinho

On June 29 2014 01:17 HaruRH wrote:
So for today, I think the best lynches are sinani (^^^), exo (he will probably get warned for this inactivity) and cav. They are still stuck on robik's fake scumslip and still refused to change their topic.

On July 01 2014 09:46 Tehpoofter wrote:
Since Im apparently just talking to myself. A couple thoughts for the game. Why is everyone town reading Vivax? I really don't see it. I feel like his game play has not been townie. I think that he is probably upset that Palmer got shot because it gave him an easy tunnel and that was taken from him. He also is really playing up the Koshi kill making him look good which is scummy. Idk someone just let me know what I'm missing.

I think that Robik and me are on the same page when it comes to Cav and how to handle him... at least I hope so by the way he is talking. So I feel like scum would have to kill both of us to play out the Cav situation in their favor. I'm sure others know what to do to but Look for guidance on that from Robik should I not be here.

How many PRs does HF usually put into his games? (This one probably not best for discussions in thread but more of a food for thought)

I'm going to look at other shit on here but I should be around for a couple hours.

On July 01 2014 22:55 kushm4sta wrote:


1 Perhaps too easy. Especially when there are a bunch of people deserving of a lynch.

2 Haru is a noob, which makes it harder for me to read him, since I usually try to read people by looking at the quality of their reads.

3 Mderg vs Cav stance seems almost too scummy to be scum. It's just he was especially unaccommodating when I pressed him about how it didn't make sense for his two scum reads to be a one or the other situation.

On July 01 2014 23:45 IAmRobik wrote:
Yeah, I mean, we're obviously not lynching cav til tomorrow at best, and possibly even further down the road if we hit on mafia, but if we can clear the cav voters that will go a long way in figuring out the game. Having said that, and thinking about what my mafia lists would look like in both situations, I don't think they'd change too much. The only clear thing is that whatever is going on between mderg and haru is 100% not a bus and not m/m

On July 02 2014 00:57 IAmRobik wrote:

Yes. I called him out on it. I don't know if having a wrong read 100% makes you mafia, but his inconsistencies about the "there's a reason to townread robik" "i never townread robik" "other people are townreading robik" thing is disconcerting

On June 27 2014 23:25 HaruRH wrote:
Koshi is weird.





Strong scum push on kush, retracts it, goes onto OO and then



condescends his way out of a push on him. nope.

##Unvote
##Vote: Koshi

On June 28 2014 01:23 HaruRH wrote:


currently, everyone is null because nobody is posting anything alignment indicative imo.

So in reevaluating the read I found this tidbit that gives me doubts cause when Haru attacked Koshi D1 in this post me and OO had expressed doubts towards Koshi already (so basically it could have been a good time for mafia to try and start a wagon).

On July 02 2014 02:38 kushm4sta wrote:
dunno why i didn't lissten to vivax earlier. vivax is sexy as hell. but he's sexy in a way that takes you a while to realize. like that girl at first you think is ugly but then you fall in love with her AND you realize SHES THE Most BEAUTIFUL PERSON IN THE WORLD

On July 02 2014 02:39 kushm4sta wrote:
yeah but the thing is, would he be so blatant like that about the inconsistency of his reads as scum?

On July 02 2014 02:48 kushm4sta wrote:
maybe his scumread silently transformed into a townread by noticing some of koshi's posts

On June 27 2014 23:05 kushm4sta wrote:


So what are your thoughts on who should get lynched? if you have any.

On June 27 2014 23:25 HaruRH wrote:
Koshi is weird.





Strong scum push on kush, retracts it, goes onto OO and then



condescends his way out of a push on him. nope.

##Unvote
##Vote: Koshi

On July 02 2014 02:59 kushm4sta wrote:
yeah i buy this story from haru.

someone told him to make a case. he was like lol ill make a shitcase.
scum don't do that.
And obviously he didn't believe in his own shitcase. It would be scummy to do so, actually.

So for starters there are 2 scenarios from the day 1 results: Either Cavalinho was mafia, or he wasn't. If he was mafia then we should've seen some votes move at the end of the day to his only major rival, sinanai. If he wasn't mafia, then the only 2 major candidates for voting at the end weren't mafia. Which would mean mafia had no incentive to really get one killed over the other.

Looking at the end, mderg tried to switch but his vote didn't go through. If he's mafia, I don't think he tries that. I mean why? What's the incentive?* This makes me think he isn't mafia. And if Cava is mafia, the mafia team sure was willing to let him die day 1. He came extremely close. This makes me think, that Cava isn't mafia either. Ruling out these 2, myself, and the people that have already died leaves me with this list, of which I believe the 3 mafia names are contained

The case on HaruRH is decent, but I think there is a possibility he's a severely misguided town. A very slim possibility and I really think it's much more likely he's mafia. But I have almost no doubt in my mind that Vivax is scum. Let's start with:

If my theory is correct, Vivax knows that cav isn't scum. He probably believes Cav's cop claim. But for public purposes, he has to appear as though he doesn't believe cavs cop claim. So he says the aforementioned. Also he's planting seeds to kill Palmar, but palmar died (likely died to town vigilante). We know palmar flipped town. I don't think Vivax was counting on this, but it does make what he said here look odd. If you read his filter he is trying hard to set up for Palmer.

On July 02 2014 03:53 IAmRobik wrote:
I read your argument Vivax, but I'm unsure why you say this:



What does your argument have to do with my alignment at all?
I'm town, does that change your opinion?
I'm mafia, does that change your opinion?

I think the answer to both those questions is no because the case has nothing to do with my alignment, so why did you put that in? Are you trying to call me scum? I'm so confused

On July 02 2014 03:58 IAmRobik wrote:


No, that's not what you're saying. You're saying that not knowing my alignment makes ExO scummy. How does knowing my alignment change anything that you said in your case.

Don't circumvent answering the question

On July 02 2014 05:02 ExO_ wrote:
the chance that mderg is mafia is really low, if he is mafia his day 1 voting is odd and sloppy

On July 02 2014 05:09 Cavalinho wrote:


Excuse me?

I was playing properly and asking questions and developing reads multiple times today. Like you're cramming words down my throat every time I come on in some vain attempt to convince yourself that I'm scum.

Also, I took a look at Robik's case, and it's awful. Talk about picking the low hanging fruit. Haru is far and away the better lynch and I already told you why I thought that. I've been pushing Haru since day 1, and most people are trying to keep him alive because association reads and a bunch of other stupid things that don't make sense.

Vivax, I honestly hope this is your scum play, because if this is what you're like when you're town, then I'm disappointed.

On July 02 2014 05:18 mderg wrote:
Just got home, can anyone summarize why you want to lynch cav now?

On July 02 2014 05:19 Cavalinho wrote:


Robik was just trying to lynch you for reasons that don't exist.

I have no idea what he's doing now but I've pretty much shut him out completely.

On July 02 2014 05:37 mderg wrote:

I first had him as town for his fakeslip, after vivax wrote his analysis on that I realized that there could be scum motives behind that, so back to null. Then he lied about shooting palmar for a completely stupid reason, so I was leaning scum on him. After he wrote all the stupid shit about me I was pretty sure he´s scum.

On July 02 2014 05:48 mderg wrote:

town should be able to do that by themselves. It´s not like there´s been an abundance of defenders for me.

I don´t think Exo is trying to profit from it because he was spot on about my last minute vote switch, not impossible, though.

Cav is more likely to do that because he didn´t completely know why I made my reads and is now slowly trying to scumread me.

On July 02 2014 05:51 kushm4sta wrote:


lol

On July 02 2014 05:53 mderg wrote:

because exo switched like 10 seconds before deadline. And I did say that already.

On July 02 2014 06:02 ExO_ wrote:


it makes perfect sense as town. a town on day 1 has zero information, and if you think your reads as town are 100% perfect on day 1 you are either stupid or overconfident. He saw last second votes and panicked.

mafia wouldnt panic

On July 02 2014 06:04 kushm4sta wrote:
poofter/oo/rainbows or some shit??

On July 02 2014 06:04 IAmRobik wrote:
mderg. if you didn't lie, you woudln't get lynched. just think about that for future games.

On July 02 2014 06:08 ExO_ wrote:


His panic was because I voted last second with hardly an explanation. And somebody else did too. it looked like a last second mafia votes. thats why the switch at the last second. there was no time to wait for explanations.

Anyway, I wanted to lynch scum!cava, but you guys didn't let me

On July 02 2014 06:24 ExO_ wrote:


you are scum. koshi was a vanilla town. VT reads can be wrong. as mafia you're trying to look good by pushing for people on a confirmed towns list. But there is stroner evidence than simple reads, and thats reads from votes. D1 reads shouldn't trump everything we've seen since then

1) ObviousOne
4) kushm4sta
5) Tehpoofter
9) Rainbows
11) Vivax
12) IAmRobik
13) HaruRH

*(in the course of investigating this list, I realized an incentive: mderg could be switching as mafia to try to kill the claimed cop, though I think it's highly unlikely.)

On July 03 2014 06:29 ObviousOne wrote:

idk yet

im asking myself right now, would kush try to clear robik in order to have someone to shoot? probably not

im asking myself right now, would vivax say he was thinking about medic protection and then not be a major part of discussion for most of the day? sounds possible

exo talking a lot of sense to me, i'm taking him out of my POE scum list

so it's down to haru/vivax and then someone out of poof/cav in my book, either of the first two is fine with me if people prefer vivax today

Me / Robik / Vivax + others who are really speculative on the issue of cav being cop, and ExO / TP who seem to accept it quickly. The issue of whether Cav is actually the cop or not is irrelevant, the issue arises when people are reacting differently to the claim. Most of us appear speculative of the issue, but these two seem to believe it for... what reason I can't tell. Mafia, regardless of Cav's actual alignment, have everything to gain by 'trusting' Cav. If he flips town, they were correct and look better. If he is mafia, then they are protecting their buddy.

On July 03 2014 06:47 Cavalinho wrote:
Are you even trying to hide the pretense that you're looking for almost any reason to try to lynch me at this point?

On July 03 2014 06:51 Cavalinho wrote:


Huh?

On July 03 2014 06:57 Tehpoofter wrote:


Robik wasn't just reluctant he straight up said "Cav isn't the cop" he went so far as to CC him as cop during the resolution period.

On July 03 2014 06:58 Cavalinho wrote:
I can kind of see it...Maybe.

I just don't understand why you would go through the trouble of making me look bad all game, just to up and do a 360 and townread me for some reason.

Is there something I missed?

On July 03 2014 07:05 ExO_ wrote:
vivax is going to try his best to instill doubt. Do not let him. If you are town vote HarURH (since we seem to be leaning harurh over vivax).

On July 03 2014 07:03 ObviousOne wrote:

im town and i believe his claim even though i think he forgot to say he was roleblocked last night

On July 03 2014 07:05 Tehpoofter wrote:


If I knew Cav was mafia and Robik said I was town I would know robik is fake.

On July 03 2014 07:11 Cavalinho wrote:


Obviously?

Idk, my mind sort of glossed over the fact that I didn't even have my check. I've been disregarding my checks the whole time since I just assumed I just wouldn't have them anymore.

On July 03 2014 07:18 Tehpoofter wrote:


I agree it makes me look too town for your push on me at any point to work.

On July 03 2014 07:19 Cavalinho wrote:


You.

Also I just went to go make a sandwich. Cool your jets.

On July 03 2014 07:24 Cavalinho wrote:
I don't understand the question. I didn't scumread you until our back and forth during the mderg lynch.

On July 03 2014 07:25 Tehpoofter wrote:


Sure thing I wouldn't kill robik cause he didn't want to lynch me and was literally never a role. Also you brought it up

On June 29 2014 04:44 Cavalinho wrote:
Haru: Haru's entry into the thread is downright awful. It reeks of "I fit in with you guys," but it stands out to me for two reasons:
1) It's late. He simply had no way to insert himself into the game otherwise so he tried to latch on to an RVS that ended several pages ago.
2) It's forced. Jokes are good, but his joke was so awful and out there that I think he simply had no idea how to open.

The post strikes me as a way of forcing himself into the thread. I don't like it. I don't get how people think it's towny.

His case on Koshi was pretty bad, just some lazy post-by-post analysis followed up by an "oh I don't think anyone is scummy." There's a lack of consistence in his reads and I don't understand how people can go "oh, that's not so bad." I know people were harping on it for a while but I don't feel like it was ever addressed/answered properly.

And then there's the issue of his read on me. He says he's okay with lynching me because I'm still harping on Robik being scum, while I am trying to sheep Robik on his case. His comment is incredibly opportunistic and he isn't even bothering to come up with a good excuse for trying to lynch me. I think a lot of people are being clouded by "omg cav so scummy" when stuff like this is happening.

If we can't get a wagon on sinani going, we 100% lynch Haru today.

sinani: His read on Robik is genuine garbage and I haven't seen a thing from him to make me think otherwise. Robik has a good case here and I think more people need to sheep him. His reasoning for unvoting/voting Robik is awful

He's waffling on a lot of his reads, and mostly because people are telling him to. He's merely following thread sentiment and I don't think he cares much about who's getting lynched. It isn't even a matter of survival, he was doing this even back when Robik claimed scum. Another good lynch.

Kush: I feel like I need more time to determine how I actually feel about kush. I think I'm letting my past of "omfg I'm getting lynched day 1" color my read and I think I'd like more time to sit down and actually sift through what he's trying to accomplish.

His ExO vote was lulzy and opportunistic, though.

Koshi: I've had you as town for a while, but your accusations don't really make much sense. You're voting me with both of your scumreads, and you're pushing me for sheeping someone because idk. Your filter looks okay aside from this, though. Please stop being silly.

Rainbows: I can draw almost all of the parallels between Order and here. He is aggro in all of the right ways and showing doubt in the proper places. His tone is really good and he has made a number of good posts this game.

Poofter: Another garbage read on Robik. When pressured, his reasoning behind it was...Okay. I guess. I simply haven't seen enough of him today. Definitely needs to step up his activity. His filter feels like a cliffhanger, with a question and without any conclusions being drawn.

OO: I'm wary of this guy. His opening reminded me of NAN and now a bunch of people are coming in and making me look like an asshole. That mood post was kinda "eh," and struck me as filler, and his Palmar read is silly, even if I ultimately think it's correct.

His filter looks decent though, and I want to see what Koshi/kush are thinking in regards to him.

ExO: This is nothing more than a gut read. I don't like how people are pushing him as a lynch while he isn't even playing the game. The dude is nothing more than lynchbait, and we should probably try to lynch a scummy person today instead. He can step up his play later or get replaced and then we have more information to work with.

I haven't even finished my reads list, and I checked back and more people are voting me. Wtf...

On July 01 2014 13:34 Cavalinho wrote:
OO, scratch that last. I just filter dove haru and his vote is literal garbage. He's voting kush because kush "slipped" that I was going to flip town, in yet still has me as a scumread a couple posts later. So the slip doesn't actually exist and his entire reasoning for voting kush doesn't exist. There's some stupid shit about my flavor being scum based and oh my god why is this guy still here.

Like he's not even trying to justify his vote and I don't see any reason to believe he's town because of it.

I will absolutely lynch Haru if Vivax gives me some decent answers.

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Maybe we shouldn't kill cav actually until the other PR is ready to claim. hmmm. I think haru is very scummy it looks like he is setting himself up to vote mderg after cav flips scum.

Why is there no mention of OO in this post? Are you trying to protect your scumbuddy?

On July 01 2014 12:52 Cavalinho wrote:


OO, up until now I've taken your advice on whether or not Vivax was actually a good analyst. His day 1 was pretty good, but his day 2 filter thus far has been nothing more than mediocre. If all he can do is attempt to characterize my play, despite playing with me several times and knowing that this has happened before, then color me unimpressed.

On July 01 2014 13:17 Cavalinho wrote:


I'm trying to give myself some fresh perspective on the game thus far. I've already tried to lay out my plan for today and I don't think Haru is really someone I'm considering because of it.

It's a dodgy, roundabout way of townreading him, but I really don't know. I'll probably get back to you at some point.

When's the next time you'll be on?

On July 03 2014 08:33 kushm4sta wrote:
so like did everyone claim?
im 1 shot vig

Maybe we shouldn't kill cav actually until the other PR is ready to claim. hmmm. I think haru is very scummy it looks like he is setting himself up to vote mderg after cav flips scum.
##unvote

On July 03 2014 09:48 kushm4sta wrote:
Rainbows, did you see my problem with exo being scum?
I don't think scumexo would be able to replicate confirmation bias like that. His case reads like a conspiracy theory.

On July 03 2014 09:52 kushm4sta wrote:
vivax are you fucking crazy? i cant be scum.

On July 03 2014 09:51 Tehpoofter wrote:


The way he has interacted with Cav and his claim makes me think that he has not had a logical townie train of thought.

On July 03 2014 09:58 ExO_ wrote:
Alrighty kush, I want you to explain to me how Vivax isn't mafia. I'm convinced 100% he's mafia. With his words against palmar at the start, ignoring logic on why mderg couldn't be scum, trying to associate himself with the confirmed townie's (koshi) reads, he's scum.

What makes you think he isn't? Because he's the scummiest person in the game right now, and he's thrown pocket sand in the eyes of everybody here.

On July 03 2014 10:06 Tehpoofter wrote:


If you thought that X was Y alignment because of Z and I thought that train of thought was shitty I would say that I didn't think it was coming from a townie perspective. It is a generalization but its how I feel. Basically from what Cav was saying and how he was acting he didn't seem like scum who was forced to fake claim but town who AGAIN had to claim as cop day 1 this time he barely didn't get lynched.