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VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
June 23 2014 19:08 GMT
#1012
* - VE stayed on YKZ

But yeah that's pretty much what he's saying.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
June 23 2014 19:19 GMT
#1017
BH has trapped himself if he's mafia - because he's pushed for so hard and so long on me for so little that when I flip it IS going to look like agenda pushing and he'll be hard pressed to come back from it. My guess is he'll just disappear into the night, but one thing is for certain - regardless of his alignment he's not going to die in the night.

Like everyone who is so certain I'm scum is wrong, and I can't tell which of them are scummy because they're all scummy to me and they all can't be mafia because we've killed one mafia. My suggestion is that if you're town and you care about this game, try and figure out which of the pushers of VE are mafia. There's CERTAINLY one among them, and there's almost certainly one on my side of things if there are two remaining. That's what I think is going on here, and we'll see how that shakes out post-game.

On June 18 2014 09:02 Kurumi wrote:
Night 1

[image loading]


The People's Committee has decided. 27ninjabunnies had a short walk with the Sheriff, confessing her sins. Burning dolls, stealing change from the laundromats, eating pie before it was cool. Nothing bad.
Was it all?
+ Show Spoiler +

27ninjabunnies the Vanilla Townie has died to lynch!

Final Vote Count - Day 1:


27ninjabunnies (7): YouKnowZhou, Artanis[Xp], mderg, Chezinu, Koshi, slOosh, goodkarma
YouKnowZhou (1): Release
mderg (4): Snickers, VisceraEyes, 27ninjabunnies, Lazermonkey

Currently Not Voting (0): None!



27ninjabunnies is lynched with 7 votes!


24 hours, actions to both me and OnceKing.


On June 21 2014 09:00 Kurumi wrote:
Night 2


[image loading]


The People's Committee was a very hot place today. The evidence seemed to be daunting on couple of the villagers, but consensus was hard to reach. The rules were clear for every person in the room. Kill so we have a chance before they kill us.
The two candidates were both very scared of the verdict. One of them had that fear fulfilled and changed into true terror. It was mderg. He left the room with The Sheriff. After couple of minutes and most likely mderg begging for his life a shot pierced the village.

+ Show Spoiler +
mderg the Mafia Goon was lynched!

Final vote tally

mderg (5): Koshi, Artanis[Xp], Release, YouKnowZhou, Chezinu - Unvotes (1): Snickers
YouKnowZhou (5): slOosh, VisceraEyes, Snickers, mderg, Lazermonkey - Unvotes (2): Release, Artanis[Xp]
VisceraEyes (0) - Unvotes (3): Chezinu, mderg, Lazermonkey
Koshi (0) - Unvotes (2): Artanis[Xp], Lazermonkey
Snickers (0) - Unvotes (4): Chezinu, Artanis[Xp], Release, YouKnowZhou
mderg was first to 5 and so was lynched.


24 hours for actions to both me and OnceKing.


So I think there's at least one mafia between me, Lazermonkey and Snickers because we all WERE on mderg on D1 and WERE NOT on mderg D2. Of everyone, I think it's probably LM because Snickers' case on me, while wrong, doesn't feel like effort scum put into trying to get a mislynch. LM is skating, sheeped the vote onto me and I think he's mafia here.

##Unvote
##Vote: Lazermonkey


Everyone voting for me should really just stop and vote for Lazermonkey or Snickers. I prefer Lazermonkey. BH if scum can wait. I'm not even reading his shit anymore because it's all nonsense and wrong.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
June 23 2014 19:23 GMT
#1019
Then lynch BH Artanis, but you have to vote for someone that a bunch of people can agree on that ISN'T ME if you want to lynch mafia.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
June 23 2014 19:25 GMT
#1023
I could lynch Koshi too. slOosh what say you about a Koshi lynch? Release? Is anyone that isn't a part of BH's Wrong Of The Month Club OPPOSED to a Koshi lynch?
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
June 23 2014 19:30 GMT
#1031
On June 24 2014 04:28 Koshi wrote:
How are you people even considering lynching me?

You're sheeping BH who is confirmed bad at this game.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
June 23 2014 19:36 GMT
#1035
On June 24 2014 04:32 Koshi wrote:
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On June 24 2014 04:30 VisceraEyes wrote:
On June 24 2014 04:28 Koshi wrote:
How are you people even considering lynching me?

You're sheeping BH who is confirmed bad at this game.

Yet he is confirmed town that lynched scum and you aren't and didn't.

Both of these observations are your opinions, not facts. I made a case on mderg and in my opinion I DID contribute to lynching scum D2. And I think BH is about as far from confirmed town as one can be. So clearly our opinions wildly differ on the state of the game.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
June 23 2014 19:37 GMT
#1037
On June 24 2014 04:36 slOosh wrote:
I don't like how Lazer keeps ditching whatever to get at Koshi.

He says I'm scum for being on the wrong wagon twice, but doesn't seem to consider that Koshi was on the correct wagon D2 the whole time.

All in all, lynching Lazermonkey > Koshi.

Thank you for your considerations.

So help a brotha out and vote for LM so we can maybe lynch scum today.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
June 23 2014 19:49 GMT
#1048
On June 24 2014 04:45 YouKnowZhou wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2014 01:02 VisceraEyes wrote:
On June 23 2014 18:58 Lazermonkey wrote:
On June 23 2014 07:44 VisceraEyes wrote:
What are the main points against me? Are they here in Artanis' post?
On June 23 2014 05:19 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On June 23 2014 05:03 Snickers wrote:
.... I specifically said what makes him scum.

4 lines? Lol I would say that is a weak case when we are 45 pages into the game.

If you really want four lines here it is.

Ve has multiple times taken credit for things he has not done and has not pushed the thread forward with his own original posts. Also his interaction with mderg seems to be a set up to prove he is town.

If you think wordiness is what makes a case strong or weak you have a lot to learn about this game. Syllogism himself mentioned somehing similar and he's considered possibly the best town player of TL. The idea is that you have to have a very concrete reason for why someone is scum, the rest is just supporting evidence and not quite as important. It's those four lines that you push your case on and elaborate when you have the attention of others.

You've mentioned three things:
-Taking credit for things he hasn't done
-Hasn't pushed the thread forward with his own original posts
-His interaction with mderg seems to be a set up to prove he is town.

I can now assess whether I agree with that read by going through his filter myself, and I can consider if I think those things make VE scum. I'll do that later.


...because if so, then I'll address them here.

1) I've never taken credit for things I haven't done. Any credit I've tried to take has been for things I've done. If you can point to posts where I'm doing this, then I'll kindly point to the post that shows me doing the thing I'm taking credit for. This point is false.

2) I've pushed the thread forward as much as I can whenever I can. Even though my play can be described as lackadaisical D1, I maintain that I clearly elucidated my intentions that cycle and indeed attempted to get a good lynch with what little posting time I did have. And while it's true that my vote ended up on the not-flipped-scum on D2, during that whole cycle I did nothing to dissuade votes on mderg and indeed pointed out several times that I was absolutely fine with mderg eating a lynch instead of who my vote was on. I've been pushing a pro-town agenda all game, and to say that I haven't pushed the thread forward with my own original posts is false.

3) This is your own personal opinion that is colored by your bias that you think I'm mafia. However because I'm town I know that this point is also indeed false because I set nothing up with mderg to "prove" I'm town.

I cannot speak for others but theese are my main issues with you:

-You say that Bunnies is "supertown" yet you do nothing to defend her once she is up the blocks.

-You make your case on mderg but have no follow up. You say that you think both mderg and YKZ is scum yet you ONLY push YKZ. Its like you want to keep both doors open insted of taking an active stance.

-You were one of the main components in the YKZ-wagon.

1) I was absent during the main pushes of her lynch. This is the least active day of mine and this is evident in the thread. I can't push something when I'm not looking at the thread, similarly I can't push /against/ something if I'm not looking at the thread.


You call 27nb supertown here, well after the case against her is underway:
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On June 16 2014 14:42 VisceraEyes wrote:
So while I may or may not share the opinion that "The Kenpachi Rule" actually works or whatever, it's pretty much scientifically proven that you cannot discover the alignment of a player based on whether he is properly applying the tenets of the rule or not. That he's spoken at all makes me not want to lynch YKZ, and I think that bunnies is like supertown based on what she's saying and how she's arguing.

I'm more interested in lynching people like BH sitting back and tossing in occasional kindling like the following

On June 16 2014 11:12 Blazinghand wrote:
On June 16 2014 11:09 27ninjabunnies wrote:
i wouldnt speculate whether or not he is blue right now.


You wouldnt speculate bcuz you think i am scum. Unless of cours u kno i am not scum. So I caught u in scum slip.


and are content to sit back and watch it all burn.



8 hours later, you're in the thread (link)
10 hours after that, you're in the thread calling sloosh (who much later would be your rock) scum (link)
what's telling though is that 8 hours after, you are (link) in the thread and have time to, and I quote:

Show nested quote +
So I wrote this big post about why I think slOosh is mafia because he thinks Artanis is mafia, but then as I started picking apart slOosh's reasoning...


And this is about 12 hours out from the deadline when 27nb is lynched. Look at this big post you wrote (then uwnrote) and your picking apart of reasoning, but nothing to stop the lynch on the supertown? Not even a word?

I give you credit for asking people about mderg, but you never follow it up to call people out or pick apart reasoning, and you stand by and let your supertown read get lynched. When you are asked about it, you claim you weren't around, but let's be real here: you wrote a big post, then didn't post it, according to you, and picked apart reasoning, according to you, so clearly you had town. You claimed you espoused a clear townread of the 27nb wagon (link) but you clearly didn't advocate it. And yet here you are to pick up towncred when your townread dies, eh? and you say that your absence didn't cause a mislynch on its own (link) and it's true you made a decent mderg wagon (not enough to actually get him lynched, but still). However, you never weighed in on 27nb. You made a supoertown read on her early in the day, then ignored her as she got lynched. Yes, I lynched her and was wrong. But you got her alignment right, and did nothing to save her, and she flipped and proved you right.

And you were afk, but had time to write a huge post, and never posted it.

How convenient for you; or perhaps more likely you're scum.

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On June 24 2014 01:02 VisceraEyes wrote:
2) There's followup. I give reasoning for thinking he's susupicious (you may not like the amount, but it's there) and I ask a couple of times where votes are/why people aren't voting. Pretty standard "I don't have time to actually push here, but I think you should be lynching X" stuff D1. On D2, I make a case (which Snickers will tell you is his case, but I made it not even knowing Snickers was SUSPICIOUS of mderg) and yes, I vote for BH. But my active, stated stance is "I like both of these lynches". That is explicit in my posts, that's the active stance I take. It's not that I don't WANT to make a choice between them, it's that I don't have to because I think they both scum.


You SAY you're fine with both lynches, but when your explanation for voting me over mderg goes away, you still vote for me. And you also conveniently get mad and afk at the critical time. You can make all the noise you want about how you wanted to vote for mderg, but when it comes down to it, you didn't vote mderg, and your lack of voting does not make sense.

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On June 24 2014 01:02 VisceraEyes wrote:
3) This is true, and unless you think BH is like supertown (lol) then I don't know what the problem is.

Ultimately your case boils down to you don't like my playstyle, which is NOT news, we've had friction before I think. However if you're on my team this game, you should really move your vote off me and onto BH.


Not gonna happen for anyone here, VE. If you guys want to check out a more fleshed-out case about VE's lack of consistency on the underlying reasons for his vote, and his convenient-for-him afking and rage, check out my case here: (link)

*would insert LOL DID NOT READ meme here if allowed by rules*
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
June 23 2014 19:52 GMT
#1051
I'm literally going to cry if the mafiateam is mderg/Chezinu/BH. Like, this town is so screwed if that's the mafia team.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
June 23 2014 20:01 GMT
#1057
Yes look at how concerned he is that he's going to die. LOL

Look at how he tries to get the lynch off a townie and instead onto scum! SO SCUMMY!!!
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
June 23 2014 20:04 GMT
#1060
On June 24 2014 05:04 YouKnowZhou wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2014 05:01 VisceraEyes wrote:
Yes look at how concerned he is that he's going to die. LOL

Look at how he tries to get the lynch off a townie and instead onto scum! SO SCUMMY!!!


You've made 4 or 5 posts now basically saying "I personally know I am town, so don't lynch me" and that makes me much more comfortable in my vote on you.

*another candidate for illegal memes*
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
June 23 2014 20:06 GMT
#1061
Like now it doesn't matter what you do BH. Who fucking cares what your opinion of Lazer is, in Lazer v VE you've made your fucking bed. There are votes enough for Lazer to lynch him instead of me. Fucking deal wit it.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
June 23 2014 20:11 GMT
#1063
You'll also be wrong and bad in equal measure, but that's your prerogative. <3
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
June 23 2014 20:12 GMT
#1064
Also if I'm scum I'm shooting you tonight BH, so you don't have to worry about it for long if you're right.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
June 23 2014 20:16 GMT
#1068
On June 24 2014 05:15 YouKnowZhou wrote:
I still have one tool left with which to lynch you, VE, should it come down to that. I will read on lazermo and you shall have my read. I do not anticipate being swayed to vote him over you, especially since this case appeared only when you were on mortal danger. In the end, though, I'll have my say and I'll do my best to be right. I'll remind you that one of us lynched mderg yesterday and the other is you.

You say that, but I made a case on him and repeatedly stated that I was fine with him being lynched. I don't care how many times you say that I wasn't a factor in his lynch because my vote was on someone else, the facts and my posts speak for themselves.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
June 23 2014 20:24 GMT
#1074
On June 24 2014 05:21 YouKnowZhou wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2014 05:16 VisceraEyes wrote:
On June 24 2014 05:15 YouKnowZhou wrote:
I still have one tool left with which to lynch you, VE, should it come down to that. I will read on lazermo and you shall have my read. I do not anticipate being swayed to vote him over you, especially since this case appeared only when you were on mortal danger. In the end, though, I'll have my say and I'll do my best to be right. I'll remind you that one of us lynched mderg yesterday and the other is you.

You say that, but I made a case on him and repeatedly stated that I was fine with him being lynched. I don't care how many times you say that I wasn't a factor in his lynch because my vote was on someone else, the facts and my posts speak for themselves.


You made a case on him, said you were fine with him being lynched, then you didn't push him or vote him, and voted for his counterwagon even after your stated reason for voting the counterwagon went away. I know I overuse the phrase, but that's pretty much classic scum play. You voted mderg day 1, then day 2 you didn't vote him and made noises about how he was scum, but didn't follow it up, voted someone else, and day 2 was the day that mattered.

And I stated my reasoning for voting for you when I did - that slOosh and Release had voted for you and Koshi and Snickers had voted for mderg and I felt better about slOosh and Release than I did about Koshi and Snickers. That's my reasoning. You can pull out all the quotes and vote-timings and everything that you want, but that's my reasoning and that's why I voted. I don't care if you think it doesn't make sense, it's factual and real and true. You repeatedly stating that it's NOT true and NOT real and NOT factual is wrong and bad. WRONG and BAD BH.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
June 23 2014 20:30 GMT
#1076
And I'm going to be REALLY real here - I MUCH prefer a BH lynch to ANYONE today because he's pushing me LIKE this. Not the content - frankly I can see BH being wrong and bad like this as town - it's the WAY he's pushing it. I said it earlier, but BH hardly ever plays like this as town. Frankly BH hardly ever plays as town, it's something that's really started to bother me. The only times I've ever seen him actually put effort into appearing town in a game is when he's mafia.

However because he WAS a factor in the mderg lynch I'm willing to concede that he may not be the BEST lynch today. So I'm voting others that ARE NOT BH because they're BETTER lynches because of other reasons. But like slOosh, I REALLY want to lynch BH.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
June 23 2014 20:34 GMT
#1077
Like BH says "VE is so crafty, you can't catch him on stupid slip ups and he's not going to be glaringly mafia" except his whole contention is that I did something that is "classic mafia play" and I'm like super obvious mafia to him. Anyone who doesn't see this blatant contradiction is simply biased or not reading.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
June 23 2014 22:18 GMT
#1130
Meh. GG scum.

My reads, again, since no one seems capable of reading my filter:

Release/Artanis are my top townies. They're clearly reading and critically thinking about the thread, and this has remained consistent except for a brief period on D1 when Artanis disappeared for a bit and then reappeared. I'll never vote these two ever.

Snickers had that really weird vote from mderg to save mderg's life yesterday. So that makes him town right? He's REALLY REALLY wrong about me. Whatever.

slOosh is in a weird place for me where I want to call him town because he seems to be in the right place where my alignment is concerned and his push on me N1 or whenever seemed genuine, and some of our interactions make me lean townie, but frankly if it's slOosh and someone random I'm not considering (Chezinu, Koshi) then this game may already be lost with the stuff BH is doing right now. His dropoff in meaningful activity at a time when he's not really being considered for lynch is not indicative of mafia, but it certainly doesn't look good objectively speaking. I'm back to null with slOosh.

Chezinu remains Chezinu in spite of repeated attempts by a few to steer him into a productive direction. Would lynch failing better lynches, which I believe there to be.

Koshi is scummy to me because when town he has his own opinions and FUCK anyone who doesn't share them. In this game he hasn't really given many of his own opinions, and he's sheeping the fuck out of BH. So I'm suspicious of Koshi.

For reasons I think BH is mafia, see any post I've made this cycle.

I think Lazer is the best lynch because he is on a short list of people I think could be mafia based on the voting on D1 (myself, Snickers, LM) and now he's opportunistically voting for me NOT based on his own observations but based on the findings and mutterings of others. I've answered any points he's raised against me, and he's just ignored. I think Snickers is town and I KNOW I'm town so I think LM is the best lynch today.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
June 23 2014 22:30 GMT
#1136
OMG AND DAT LATEVOTE JESUS I FORGOT

GUYS DON'T VOTE ME OVER DAT FUCKING LATEVOTE FOR REAL!?!?
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
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