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Also bunnies, no coaching discussion t.t So that's my take on the current lynch flavour of the day, conclusion, I don't think that's good enough to lynch. Would want to hear more from him. | ||
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On May 27 2014 18:34 Palmar wrote: Ninjabunnies is mafia, I'm going to vote him. Then I'm going to read another page of the game. ##Vote Ninjabunnies it's because he wrote "XD" ??? Did you become crazy after getting ##Nuked in that other game? | ||
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On May 27 2014 18:40 Palmar wrote: Do you not think this is a valid case? At least you have to explain to me why you disagree. I think it's a pretty strong case. I should add that I combine it with the "ugh" from his first post, oh and his plea that "can we now hunt some scum?". Seems pretty ironclad to me. No I don't think that's a valid case, I think you're trolling. | ||
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On May 27 2014 18:43 Palmar wrote: I'm not, why do you think I'm trolling. Granted, I'm only about 2 pages or so into the game as we speak, + skimming Ninja's filter. But I feel pretty good about this. Could you elaborate on why you think I'm trolling? Or at least if there is something you don't understand in my case, ask for an explanation? Because I reject your assumption that XD, ugh and 'can we now hunt some scum' as pointing to any alignment. I'm done arguing with you on this. | ||
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Come on at least make an effort... ##Vote: jabberwockzerg | ||
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##Vote: jabberwockzerg | ||
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On a phone, so can't really quote, but the part where he says he got caught under a stone. It seems like someone just giving up trying to defend themselves and saying fuck this you got me. | ||
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Do you have anything more to add than I Agree? Personally I feel MZ's bet hedging is more a case of not being confident of his reads more than him trying to scatter attention as a mafia. | ||
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Progress report? | ||
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On May 28 2014 10:34 jabberwockzerg wrote: Top Scum: Palamar Just started out weird with the whole ninjabunnies vote and never really did anything top town: any one of the people initially defending me, as most Mafia would want to turn the town against me ASAP You are basically copying what sqrt said about Palmar and not really saying anything about your town reads. I feel sorry for having tried to defend you, you have made no useful contributions all day. All you did is flail around like a magikarp out of water screaming im a noob. Which makes me highly suspect if you aren't flailing on purpose. | ||
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You get icons of higher tier units as your post count and time on TL increase. SCV is the shittiest tier for terran. | ||
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On May 29 2014 07:09 fuba wrote: Looked at gobbledydook first, since his filter is shorter XD His initial reaction to bunnies' case, as well as his follow-up reaction to Palmar seem to indicate that he didn't read the entire case against jabber before disagreeing with it (twice), which I don't feel bodes well for him. I think his jump on the wagon also seems kinda strange, since the reason is kinda lame. I mean, there were plenty of ways in which jabber "admitted guilt", and the fact that he said a stone fell on him is the least of those. It's like he's not really thinking about the game. Problem with this is that it could just be general laziness, rather than him being scum. If jabber flips scum, this quote would make me think gobble is likely town. This was kind of jabber's last stand, and I don't think the scumteam would shoot down their ally like that. Unless it was some kind of elaborate plan to give gobble some slight towncred after the flip, but that's kinda out there. I do have to say that I don't entirely understand what that last sentence means. As for what he's said about MZ, I'd have to form an opinion of MZ for myself first XD First I must disagree with your criticisms of me, the gist of the case against jabber is that he went about lying to conceal information, and then backed that up with really shit defenses, the one which caught my eye at the time I voted him being the 'caught on a stone' argument. That was the last straw for me. If someone's town they just don't say they got 'caught' which implies they were thinking from a mafia mindset, where mafia can be 'caught'. Of course jabber follows with some more shit defenses, including his list of reads which has no reads actually, and I was criticizing that post for its lack of content. I don't understand how that is 'not reading the whole thread'. I feel that I am right in pointing out that he has made no contributions, which is something townies don't do. Now fuba, don't call the kettle black. Your vote didn't even come with any explanation whatsoever you just jumped on the bandwagon. Then when mderg questions you on your vote, you then come up with an explanation on why you changed from not lynching him to voting him. You hint at why you think he is guilty later on, without explicitly saying that *I think you are guilty because you are lying* or something like that. Why so non-committal? sqrtofneg1 has a good point here, you haven't contributed all that much to town except for making non-committal statements about jabberwockzerg. I don't think your 'lol' and then your one line answer to his accusation is anywhere near enough. Please respond to sqrtofneg1's accusations properly. In particular, show comprehensively what you have contributed to town as a townie, as I don't see much either. | ||
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To add some comments about jabberwockzerg flipping town: With the sort of lying bullshit he's pulled and his complete uselessness to town, I think objectively it was the right lynch. | ||
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On May 29 2014 10:59 fuba wrote: The reason you gave was a semantics argument, when there were actual legit reasons to vote him. I could probably pull up one for every person in the game if I wanted to. He explicitly stated that he was trying to conceal information in order to help himself. How is "caught" a stronger indicator of scum mindset than that? How is "a stone fell on me" the last straw, when he explicitly stated that he was misleading town for his own ends? I said you weren't reading the cases, which was a fact. It had been made clear that jabber was scum last game, so at the very least he wasn't "just plain guessing" about who was mafia. I'd have to reread my own filter to see why I was even willing to buy that it was a mistake. Like, there's no reason he shouldn't have known Chrom was town. In any case, your point that he could have just been guessing about the scumteam was disproven in the case that you were disagreeing with. Hence how you were disagreeing with the case without reading it. My reason for the vote, when it was given, was legitimate. Your reason, when it was given, was semantic nonsense. And you say I jumped on the bandwagon as if I wasn't one of the people who started it, lol. Like I just sat myself down and twiddled my thumbs. I'd be lying if I said you saw my whole thought process, because my mind goes crazy with possibilities, but you saw just about everything I found relevant about the jabber lynch. And I'm pretty sure I explicitly said that at least one thing I mentioned was scummy. I make sure to do that when I'm reasonably sure of something, because my thoughts are generally wishy-washy since, you know, as town I can't possibly know anything for certain aside from my own alignment. And I wasn't non-committal. After I voted the second time, and gave my reasons for doing so, I was there for good. My first post when coming back was reasserting that he should be lynched. How in the hell is that non-committal? And I concede, I only contributed thoughts primarily about one person. The person I thought was scum. You saw my honest thought process, which is kinda what town wants from its townies. How is that not contributing for town? And who says "contributing for town"? A townie would just say "contributing" because "for town" is implied. Who is trying to "contribute for scum"? (Point from paragraph 1 proven) It's interesting that you were upset that post landed after the deadline. It looks like you had your suspicions that my filter, containing almost exclusively reasons for jabber to be scum, was going to be proven "useless for town" before he even flipped town. However could you have known that? So now you dismiss my arguments as semantics and then attempt to frame me using semantics. Way to go with your hypocrisy. I'm upset about your arguments being useless to town not because JWZ turned VT, I'm upset about your arguments because you are pretending to be contributing while offering wishy washy one liner posts that suggest you are not willing to commit anywhere. Guess what mafias do? Act wishy washy, post little, and then look for the nearest bandwagon that makes sense. | ||
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I never said you were scum for bandwagoning a mislynch I said you were scum because of the way you backed the lynch. Pretty much the only substantial posts you have were against me and that is because I questioned you directly. And I don't think you have answered my question about your stance on sqrtofneg unless I missed it? | ||
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On May 30 2014 06:36 Amiko wrote: @gobbledygook: (1) Fuba raised some points on you D1. Do you think his case is more likely to come from scum or mafia? (2) One argument you raised re: Fuba was that he joined the JWZ vote without stating reasons. Do you think that criticism is true for any other players? (3) If you have any thoughts on slOosh/M_Z I'd like to hear them. 1) I think he is scum. He twists my words to make me look bad. He ignores my question and attacks me instead. If he were town I think he would respond to my questions more directly and cut the misrepresentation. 2) Alakaslam flat out voted jwz without saying anything. He hasn't actually posted anything important so far as I recall so I am suspicious of him. We need to pressure him to speak more. 3) sloosh hasn't posted that much of value either. Same as Alakaslam we should ask more questions. MZ I think is town. I think his arguments make more sense than his detractors suggest and while his play may seem a bit off to some, I think he is the victim of Palmar tunnel vision and is town. | ||
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By post number: 1)He's agreeing with 27ninjabunnies' accusation of JWZ, and then suggests to find another possible lynch target, his picks being fuba and haru for their defense of JWZ. 2) Follow-up to first post. 3) Quoting a post from Amiko who has a bit there agreeing with his fuba/haru suspicion. 4) Clarifies the reason why he finds fuba/haru suspicious, ie their way of defending JWZ, and compares it to mderg's defense which he finds towny. 5) Criticizes sqrt for lynching for info. 6) Out of nowhere, raises the possibility of a Palmar lynch, but then suggests a JWZ lynch as the clearest option. 7) Criticizes sqrt for being vague. Tells sqrt what to do to contribute more. 8) Explains the reason for his criticism of sqrt, saying that he just wants to help sqrt improve his town play. 9) Reiterates his stance that he didn't threaten sqrt with a scumread, repeats his suspicions of haru/fuba. Then uses meta to classify Palmar's play as scum play. 10) Basically same as 7. 11) Dismisses JWZ's reads list as unconvincing. 12) Quotes 27ninjabunnies' argument to support 11. 13) Now reads sqrt as scum, based on some quotes of sqrt being wishy washy on JWZ's alignment. 14) Attacks Palmar for what he sees as taking a potshot at him, seeing it fail, and trying to back off. 15) Now criticizes people for trying to start a second wagon. You might notice that this contradicts (1). 16) Attacks sqrt for voicing his blue read. 17) Attacks sqrt for now voting JWZ when before, he was defending him. 18) Backs off his Palmar read based on Palmar's contributions after his last read. 19) Responds to sloosh's ??? by saying his views on sqrt changed progressively. 20) Clarifies that he now thinks of sqrt as scum. 21) Now says Palmar is certainly town, and says he likes the case on sloosh. 22) Defending himself from haru's attack. Says that he has already changed his read on Palmar, explained his sqrt scum read already, and gives 'forgetting to vote before' as a reason for voting JWZ late. Dismisses the fact that Palmar didn't die as a WIFOM argument. Comments: Let's look at some vocal opponents of MZ. a) Palmar Palmar says MZ is scum because 1) The choice of words he used to criticize sqrt seemed strange 2 MZ grossly misrepresents Palmar's accusation of him as 'backing off'. 3)"MZ reads Palmar town because Palmar reads MZ scum". My responses: 1) Assuming that MZ is scum as Palmar believes, why would he go about defending sqrt in such a roundabout way? No one was attacking sqrt. He could have fabricated a bogus accusation on someone else and it would have been less suspicious. The fact that he changed his read from sqrt town to sqrt scum , when there was never any traction for a sqrt wagon, suggests that it had nothing to do with trying to get on a bandwagon. The most likely explanation is that MZ is a town who wants everyone to contribute, so much that he lectures sqrt about his vagueness, and then gets disappointed by sqrt's refusal to improve. 2) I think this is just a case of misunderstanding. Palmar didn't spell out 'I THINK MZ IS MAFIA' in that post, and his annoying habit of referring to sqrtofneg1 as i (it's true, but it is confusing) makes his posts easy to misunderstand on first sight. It took me a couple rereads to get what he was saying. 3) MZ never said he read Palmar town because Palmar was reading him scum, he said he changed his Palmar read to town because Palmar contributed in a way he liked, which ties back to the first point. He wants everyone to contribute, and he is pleased by Palmar's contributions. Problem? b) haru Haru's arguments 1) He is lynching according to bandwagons 2) Had more reasons to lynch others such as palmar, but voted for jwz at the last minute. 3) palmar did not die. my responses: 1) There was only ever one bandwagon in day 1, and that was JWZ's bandwagon. If you say he is lynching according to bandwagons then half the town has lynched according to bandwagon and everyone's guilty? Something doesn't hold here. If you say his Palmar, sqrt, haru, fuba reads were bandwagons, then no? There was never any traction and he never voted for anyone. I don't really think calling reads as bandwagons is legit. 2) Literally his vote had no impact by the time he casted it. He could have casted it on Barack Obama and nothing would have changed; JWZ was a dead man. He's gotta put his vote on someone, and since he cleared Palmar already, and sqrt had no traction, he went with what everyone voted. 3) Yeah, that's really WIFOM. You could argue that mafia didn't kill someone because they were wrong, or they didn't kill someone because they wanted to game that argument, and so on. Using mafia kills to determine whether someone was on the right track doens't get you anywhere. | ||
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On May 30 2014 21:37 Palmar wrote: so who is mafia then gobbley? My strongest read so far is fuba because of the way he's accusing me. I have skimmed through the sloosh arguments, and I'll come up with a detailed read like this one later. | ||
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On May 30 2014 22:26 Palmar wrote: Better idea: find me 5 people tho you strongly consider to be town. Ok, if you want me to do this instead Amiko is pretty certain to be town, his contributions are excellent and has played a leading role in scumhunting. 27ninjabunnies similarly to Amiko, town. Those are my 2 strongest town reads, I would be extremely surprised if they flipped mafia. Other town reads of mine are Palmar, mderg, MZ. You because while I disagree with you on some of your reads, I think you're trying to help, and that's good. MZ I explained pretty fully. mderg's contributions are good too, even though I disagree with him on both the MZ and JWZ reads. He gives good justifications for his reads. So these are 3 more that I am reasonably sure. | ||
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On May 30 2014 23:50 Palmar wrote: Why is Ninja town? Makes good arguments, asks lots of good questions, basically the same reasons Amiko is town. | ||
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