EPTFuba's another possibility but right now I believe his jwz progression.
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Fuba's another possibility but right now I believe his jwz progression. | ||
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On May 28 2014 05:07 Amiko wrote: This is your second post. I would like to hear more from you. What do you think about the argument that jabberwock's comment would not come from scum or mafia? I think jwz is most likely just a noob scum who slipped, his comment make most sense from a mafia point of view. In your first post it seems like you suspect players who are defensive of jabberwock, and you mention fuba and haru. I find fuba and haru to be suspicious because of the manner they defend jwz, they don't come out strongly against the case but are instead content to make vague statements of disagreement while not doing anything to rock the boat. What are your thoughts on mderg? Alakazam says that mderg's points on jabberwock were not specific (see http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/451317-detention-mafia?page=13#247). Do you agree or disagree? I disagree with slam, I think mderg has been jwz's best defender thus far and I like him for it because he's had the balls to stand by his opinion unlike fuba and haru. I think mderg is wrong but the way he presents his arguments comes off town to me. | ||
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EBWOP: I think jwz is most likely just a noob scum who slipped, his comment make most sense from a mafia point of view. I find fuba and haru to be suspicious because of the manner they defend jwz, they don't come out strongly against the case but are instead content to make vague statements of disagreement while not doing anything to rock the boat. I disagree with slam, I think mderg has been jwz's best defender thus far and I like him for it because he's had the balls to stand by his opinion unlike fuba and haru. I think mderg is wrong but the way he presents his arguments comes off town to me. | ||
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On May 28 2014 06:57 sqrtofneg1 wrote: Actually, now that I think of it, it would yield more information to kill off jwz. ##Unvote ##Vote: jabberwockzerg *sigh* I hate when people say this. Dude, always vote for who you think is scummiest. Lynching for information comes off as a scum setting up their justification for when the lynched person flips green. If you don't want him dead because you think he's scum then you shouldn't be voting for him. | ||
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On May 28 2014 07:42 sqrtofneg1 wrote: My point is this: Huge bandwagons always seem to be town bandwagons. (cruisette mislynch in liii, cav mislynch in liv, sweetfrost mislynch and yellow suspection in lv, OdinofPergo in golden sun) Jwz is my top scum read so far. I was considering pushing a palmar lynch because he's my second scum read, and huge bandwagons always seem to be wrong. I could see myself convinced of a Palmar lynch, however let's not get too far ahead our ourselves. imo jwz is still the best choice and his lack of serious defense is only solidifying that. | ||
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On May 28 2014 08:26 sqrtofneg1 wrote: You know what else I don't like? Amiko's not as active as he usually is. Yes, he's making big posts and big cases. Yes, he has been the most substantial player so far, in terms of post content. But he's not as active. Other games, he's always around, asking people questions and the like. This game, not so much. You've thrown around a lot of suspicions this game. Instead of making a vague statement like this, interpret what it means. If you leave it vague like this, it makes it seem like you're just trying to throw dirt on him without actually having to take a stand. Instead tell us why this is a problem, maybe provide some examples if you're gonna cite his meta. | ||
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On May 28 2014 08:45 Palmar wrote: MZ not everyone in the game is mafia. fuba and haru look bad, jwz is your most likely scumread and you could get behind a lynch on me, and now you're telling sqrtofneg1 that he might be mafia, while in the same breath explaining to him how he can get you to drop your "suspicion". Welcome to my scum tier. Actually I didn't call sqrt scum, I was pointing out something that he's done which isn't helpful. I can have him correct that behavior and thus improve the town environment and maybe teach him something at the same time (which is after all the point of the game). | ||
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On May 28 2014 08:57 Palmar wrote: No you just implied that what he was doing looked like something mafia might do. If you're town, I would have expected this "If you leave it vague like this, you're never going to convince anyone of following your example or agreeing with your read." Because that sentence isn't loaded with agenda, like yours was "If you leave it vague like this, it makes it seem like you're just trying to throw dirt on him without actually having to take a stand." I may be reading too much into this, but it's bad form. If you want to affect his playstyle, don't do it in the same breath as you threaten him with a scumread.. I really don't think I threatened him with a scum read at all. I said that something he was doing could be seen as scummy. I never said that I thought he was scum because of what he was doing. And I'm not a fan of your insinuations that I'm calling everyone mafia. I have thus far stated my support for a jwz lynch, discussed that I'm looking at Haru and Fuba as possibilities for scum because of their defense of jwz (they've both responded, I haven't really reevaluated them yet), and I've stated I would support a lynch on you. That was primarily because you were acting like you didn't give a shit which I've seen in the past to be scumpalmar. That's not randomly flinging around accusations as you suggest. | ||
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On May 28 2014 09:09 sqrtofneg1 wrote: So, what of my playstyle do you not like MZ? If you are suspicious of someone, push them. If you don't feel you have enough evidence yet then sit back and wait until you have enough evidence or you decide your suspicion was wrong. Don't post vague accusations. | ||
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On May 28 2014 09:24 27ninjabunnies wrote: So everyone is basically null, no read, or possible scum? This was probably the most least productive post written so far, and that's saying something. Precisely the problem with this post. | ||
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On May 28 2014 10:19 sqrtofneg1 wrote: Here's what I think is going to happen, according to the sqrtofneg1 rule. jwz is gonna be lynched, gonna flip vt. Palmar is gonna end up scum. I honestly don't think anyone will move their vote away from jwz. I don't expect anyone to, also. But I kind of think he's town. To this: On May 28 2014 10:25 Chromatically wrote: sqrt why are you not convincing people to vote for Palmar? On May 28 2014 10:26 sqrtofneg1 wrote: Cause I don't think it will happen. And I also think there's a good chance that jwz is scum too. You can't "think he's town" and think he's scum too" at the same time. This is actually pretty scummy imo. Oh hey 27NB: On May 28 2014 11:08 27ninjabunnies wrote: Hey im scumhunting.... So im thinking, Team for mafia: Jabber/Sqrt/mderg Or Jabber/palmer/mderg Something like that, Id lynch both jabber and mderg though I also am really digging this post here although I disagree with mderg and I'd insert someone else, who I'm not sure of yet. So Palmar, just so the record is straight, now I'm calling sqrt scum for clearly contradicting himself in an attempt to be vague and not get caught supporting the wrong person. | ||
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On May 28 2014 16:43 Palmar wrote: Which part of it do you not get? "If you leave it vague like this, it makes it seem like you're just trying to throw dirt on him without actually having to take a stand." This is basically saying "If you don't elaborate, you're acting like mafia". When in reality if MZ is town, he shouldn't care whether or not i acts like mafia, but if he is mafia. If MZ is town and thinks i is town his logical explanation should be "If you don't elaborate, you won't convince anyone". Because if MZ thinks i is town, he wouldn't care about i doing something potentially scummy for the sake of it being scummy, and rather because it is not helpful. However if MZ thinks i is mafia, why is he explaining the steps i can take to remove any suspicion MZ might have to him. It's like me saying "hey, you just made a case that is wrong, that is very mafia like. please make another case that is right so I don't have to call you mafia." It's just an absurd way of playing the game. The only reasonable conclusion is that MZ must think i is town, and thus it makes no sense for MZ to point out something i does looks like something mafia does. The reason I created in my head is that MZ knows i is town, and doesn't feel the need to call him mafia right now, but does leave the open-ended suspicion for use later. Palmar that's honestly one of the worst posts I've ever seen you make and does nothing to change my opinion on your alignment. It seems as though you called me out, misjudged the thread's perception of me, and are now trying to back out of the read. | ||
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##Vote: jabberwockzerg Thought there was a voting thread lol | ||
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More importantly, why even reveal you think that if you're town -_- | ||
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On May 29 2014 04:50 sqrtofneg1 wrote: Okay, fine. ##Unvote ##Vote: jabberwockzerg Top scum read, but he may be town. Dude really? | ||
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On May 29 2014 11:33 Chromatically wrote: MZ answer this please, regardless of whether you hold the read now. What was your reasoning at the time? My reason for wanting to lynch Palmar was stated here: On May 28 2014 09:05 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: I really don't think I threatened him with a scum read at all. I said that something he was doing could be seen as scummy. I never said that I thought he was scum because of what he was doing. And I'm not a fan of your insinuations that I'm calling everyone mafia. I have thus far stated my support for a jwz lynch, discussed that I'm looking at Haru and Fuba as possibilities for scum because of their defense of jwz (they've both responded, I haven't really reevaluated them yet), and I've stated I would support a lynch on you. That was primarily because you were acting like you didn't give a shit which I've seen in the past to be scumpalmar. That's not randomly flinging around accusations as you suggest. At this point I'm not as convinced of Palmar's scumminess anymore because he's come in and been contributing a lot more than I would have expected out of scum Palmar. At the moment I don't have a burning scum read, I am probably most suspicious of sqrt because of the way he seems to drift with the general opinion of the thread like a willow in the wind. However I'm not sold that makes him scum yet, I wanna see him post for a little while longer before I make my mind up. | ||
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That's called a progression of a read sloosh. As you can see, at first I was not suspicious of sqrt and was simply pointing things out about his play for him to fix, then he posted more and I changed my mind because of new information. This is typically how one processes facts in a changing environment. I literally outline what's going on in the second post you quoted. | ||
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On May 30 2014 03:17 slOosh wrote: What has sqrt done that you would consider him town? At this point I don't consider him town. | ||
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imo Amiko's case on sloosh is excellent, I'm curious to see who opposes it. | ||
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On May 30 2014 16:47 HaruRH wrote: Now that I re-read MZ's filter, nothing makes sense. 1) He is lynching according to bandwagons. he said that me and fuba were the most scum, after jabber. Right after that, he agreed that palmar and sqrt are the scummiest. He did not provide any sort of reasons or arguments as to why sqrt is his main suspect (that short paragraph is not a good argument). 2) Had more reasons to lynch others such as palmar, but voted for jwz at the last minute. He had a long argument with palmar and have already locked on palmar as scum, yet voted for jwz with no explanation of his last minute choice. No substantial evidence to vote for jwz, yet went for it. 3) not really a main point but, palmar did not die. This is more of a slippery slope argument as the very fact that palmar did not die seems to indicate that the rivalry between palmar and MZ ha e protected palmar. In no way would palmar ever die of mafia should this be true. Overall, I would vote MZ until he decides to explain himself properly. ##vote : Meapak_Ziphh Well I'm glad to see you've taken my advice on Palmar, what do I need to explain? Your first point must be a reference to some post I made at the beginning of the game because I certainly no longer hold that Palmar read. Your other problem is that I didn't explain why I found sqrt scummy well enough... I thought I was pretty clear tbh. I voted jwz "last minute" because I had forgot to vote before that and yeah, there was pretty good evidence against jwz, right from the start he looked bad and none of the posts he made to save himself struck me as townie. Your third point is WIFOM and I'm not gonna even bother. | ||
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I also see I was a major target today, if people want to ask me questions I will be more than happy to answer them. | ||
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On June 01 2014 04:54 Alakaslam wrote: Yes, What is sqrtofneg1 looking like to you? Oddly inactive for someone who had 6 pages of filter D1 and less than one page D2. As I previously mentioned, I think his super jumpy reads seem scummy and much of his D1 filter is actually fluff posts and off topic shit. | ||
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On June 02 2014 05:21 Amiko wrote: So you think your play is bad, but you want us to sheep you on a lynch? :| The thread is short enough I figure I can reread it with the information from the flips and figure it out. | ||
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On June 02 2014 10:05 Amiko wrote: @M_Z: Please explain your Alakaslam comment. Slam claimed rb which confirms him as town unless he's lying. Leaving a confirmed townie alive is a cardinal sin. | ||
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On June 02 2014 10:38 Alakaslam wrote: Lol M_Z you basically confirmed yourself scum There is no reason to assume I am. That is blindness to WIFOM, so now with what you said, even your statement being true would WIFOM it out of beig a heuristic. Once scum reads that, they will gladly shoot someone else and get the lynch. But go for it Honestly slam the only thing preventing me from auto voting you right now is that if you were scum I'd have expected you to exploit your rb claim. To be fair towards you, you've handled it in a rather townie way. Once again though, I'm fine dying so you saying I "confirmed myself" means nothing. | ||
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On June 02 2014 10:34 HaruRH wrote: I'm sure to the mafia, everyone else is confirmed townie because only he/she is left xD I'm just curious as to why amiko did not get shot. much more to gain from stopping amiko from analysing than bunnies. Claiming rb confirms someone as town because mafia don't get rb'd which is why I'd assume scum would shoot slam. Him living casts doubt on his claim, although like I said, if he was scum and lying about the rb I'd have expected him to exploit it more. | ||
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There's not much I have to say, I promised a case but it's evident that even when I flip town people have already said they're not gonna care. I don't really have the effort to defend myself. Palmar is my best bet for scum since that would balance things out with me being town. Sorry for playing so poorly, I got lynched in the other game and let it get to me. Naturally, you guys are going to see this as a scumclaim now, but after I flip please refer to this post as a polite goodbye and apology for poor play. I'll be here for a little while so if anyone wants to banter about reads I'm all for it. | ||
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On June 04 2014 08:18 Palmar wrote: MZ: how can I take your reads seriously when you go from me being basically confirmed town to the mafia. I'm about to flip town and I seriously doubt BH didn't mess with the teams a bit. Anyway ##Vote: Palmar Bleh gl town | ||
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On June 04 2014 08:26 HaruRH wrote: Pretty disappointed with this game as my first game lol. Was basically carried by amiko and mafia did nothing fun. I guess there are stuff to take out from this experience, probably that I need to present myself as an alpha townie better. Anyway, thanks for the experience, this is pretty much a confirmed lynch (unless a town flip happens). You can still catch the last scum, don't write yourself off yet. | ||
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My advice is look at people who didn't post a lot today, I know that's a lot of people but scum had no reason to do anything because of the easy ML | ||
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On June 04 2014 08:38 Keirathi wrote: if BH isn't going to be around for the night post, it will probably be late. I don't get home from work for until hour-hour and a half after deadline. I can flip myself at the deadline | ||
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