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On June 25 2014 08:39 The_Templar wrote:
What's an EOD?
Never mind, it's a few posts up :\
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On June 25 2014 09:22 Tehpoofter wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2014 09:15 Amiko wrote:Vote Count – Day 2 meatpudding (2): Teemursu, Hobbitus NydusHerMain (1): Tehpoofter Not voting (9): The remainder!
Currently, meatpudding is set to be lynched with 2 votes.
As a reminder for resolving ties - a player becomes the new lynch target when that player has more votes than anyone else.
Please contact the mods if the vote count is incorrect. Thank you!
Day 2 will end in (04:00 GMT (+00:00)). More people need to vote at least to know where people stand please. Not voting=denies town information.
I think my position is fairly obvious, but I'll vote anyway.
##Vote: meatpudding
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On June 25 2014 09:43 GlowingBear wrote:
Poof, can you explain the usefulness of each one of us posting our impressions on everybody?
I would guess that it's easier to keep track of.
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On June 25 2014 09:43 Tehpoofter wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2014 09:34 NydusHerMain wrote:On June 25 2014 09:24 Tehpoofter wrote:
@nydus you have multiple posts coming or just that one? I don't want to interrupt your wall of texts crit just curious if you're open for questions. Yeah I'm up for questioning but when Video Mafia starts, my responses are going to be pretty slow. Also I think you're mafia because your filter is shorter than mine and I've only been playing for like 4 hours.
You said your filter would be longer than everyone else's soon D:
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On June 25 2014 09:49 NydusHerMain wrote:EpishadeMeatPuddingTeemuHobbitusJabberWockZergHaruRH (yeah I'm that confused about HaruRH ._.) The_Templar TheKingOfCatsIf the person isn't listed, they haven't said enough for me to remember them in particular. If they aren't on the list, I'm going to say leaning scum but not comfortable voting on. I think my town list is too big  but I'll re-evaluate it later. With respect to the EOD, I'll stay up to make sure I make it. I'm also not comfortable voting on TheKingOfCats right now because I feel like he's becoming more and more towny. I was more convinced he was mafia on day 1. I'll start voting when I see something scummy as fuck.
Would you like to explain your reads on Epishade, Jabber, and me in particular?
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Oh, missed the post asking about EOD (I just saw the abbreviation earlier, that's how I know what it meant). I will be here up until right before deadline but not at or after it.
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On June 25 2014 10:03 Tehpoofter wrote:I think instead of calling him KotC we should make him a king of something new i.e. KingoftheClowns. I will be doing this cause it seems fun.
That's mean.
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On June 25 2014 10:19 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2014 09:59 Tehpoofter wrote:On June 25 2014 09:43 GlowingBear wrote:
Poof, can you explain the usefulness of each one of us posting our impressions on everybody? So I use a lot of people reads to give reads on them. People progressions like I got to X is scum for Y reason. If you have someone listed as Town and then you vote them 20 minutes later and they didn't post you better have had some sort of epiphany. It also is for selfish reasons as I'm just getting into the game kinda seeing where everyone ended up after a full day with a ML and a night kill. Thats a lot of info for people in the game. And while I'm reading through it helps me to gauge people's roles. Why do you think giving reads would be in any way not useful? Also it doesn't have to be on everyone in game but by this point you should have a grasp on a decent amount of those playing that have been talking. I don't expect people to have reads on the inactives like myself (RiP Solar424) and Scott although he did have a bit more of a filter until we've settled in a bit. Also don't forget the EOD thing! Thats important  Oh, alright. I thought you wanted from everyone in the game and that sounded strange to me. I have this feeling that it's a mafia thing to request such thing then create a ruckus when someone shifts their opinion on someone they have weak reads just to confuse town. So, here it goes: Templar
Haru
Teemu TheKingOfTheCats Hobbitus [red] Epishade meatpudding2) I'll be here by the EOD Templar, I've been voting and scumreading meatpudding since the beginning. Also, when I revealed my scumread on Epishade, I did before even Teemu mentioned it. By the way, the huge galore on null reads was a response to Haru, who asked me to give a read on everybody reads. I'm not trying to be defensive. I just want to clear this up. Also, just to understand: what is useful to scum to reveal his thoughts on blue?
Ok, I'd like to apologize because I forgot you started a bit late. It makes a lot more sense that you took so long to vote meatpudding (it actually took you a few hours) and that you had so many null reads (because you had just started). (I also have 7 tabs open and perpetually F5ing due to juggling this and WCS, so I am a bit distracted)
I would say it's useful for a scum to reveal his thoughts on blue because it might make town panic and avoid talking about blues/blue actions completely (even though they're part of the game). It's not a huge issue, but more chaos and less focus on anything is generally bad for town.
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On June 25 2014 10:09 Tehpoofter wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2014 10:04 The_Templar wrote:On June 25 2014 10:03 Tehpoofter wrote:On June 25 2014 09:56 Teemursu wrote:
I can at least agree with you on KotC.
I think instead of calling him KotC we should make him a king of something new i.e. KingoftheClowns. I will be doing this cause it seems fun. That's mean. I'm a dog person so giving him way cooler names. If it really bugs him I won't but seemed like a fun thing to do.
KingOfTheCanines
No?
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On June 25 2014 10:35 Tehpoofter wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2014 10:34 NydusHerMain wrote:On June 25 2014 10:28 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 25 2014 10:09 Tehpoofter wrote:On June 25 2014 10:04 The_Templar wrote:On June 25 2014 10:03 Tehpoofter wrote:On June 25 2014 09:56 Teemursu wrote:
I can at least agree with you on KotC.
I think instead of calling him KotC we should make him a king of something new i.e. KingoftheClowns. I will be doing this cause it seems fun. That's mean. I'm a dog person so giving him way cooler names. If it really bugs him I won't but seemed like a fun thing to do. Call me what you like, it doesn't matter.  TheKingOfScum  Talk in third person more.
Scum doesn't even begin with C, and the words are in the wrong order, fail
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On June 25 2014 10:52 Tehpoofter wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2014 10:47 Epishade wrote:On June 25 2014 09:49 NydusHerMain wrote:EpishadeMeatPuddingTeemuHobbitusJabberWockZergHaruRH (yeah I'm that confused about HaruRH ._.) The_Templar TheKingOfCatsIf the person isn't listed, they haven't said enough for me to remember them in particular. If they aren't on the list, I'm going to say leaning scum but not comfortable voting on. I think my town list is too big but I'll re-evaluate it later. With respect to the EOD, I'll stay up to make sure I make it. I'm also not comfortable voting on TheKingOfCats right now because I feel like he's becoming more and more towny. I was more convinced he was mafia on day 1. I'll start voting when I see something scummy as fuck. Honestly, I'm surprised you put me at the top of your list. Even I wouldn't put myself there lol. I read your explanation and, though I'm glad you read me as townie, even I'd still have my suspicions about me if I were in your place over my Token being shot post. To put me over someone who hasn't made anybody suspicious all game, like Templar, who you left null, seems like a strange choice to me. I know I lost a bit of townieness when I posted my Token post. I knew I would before I posted it actually, but I'd rather post information that I thought would be relevant in catching scum and lose townie cred than ignore it altogether due to wifom. Actually, I thought that somebody might bring up the idea that I was scum, and that I shot Token just so I could make that post and throw off town's track, but nobody posted suspicions about that. Instead people posted that I had neglected some scenarios, which is true, too.
I think its more scummy how much you thought about how a couple posts would make you look super scummy and how people might blame you for a death. I haven't read your posts so not sure where I stand but this post seems weird. Good on you for saying that its weird nydus has you as town though. Can you explain why you think LT died then? Like any other theories assuming you weren't scum and shot him.
Lots of people thought that was scummy and he clarified his thought process, I don't see how that's particularly scummy.
He specifically said he didn't worry about what town would think, actually.
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On June 25 2014 11:12 Tehpoofter wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2014 11:10 The_Templar wrote:On June 25 2014 10:52 Tehpoofter wrote:On June 25 2014 10:47 Epishade wrote:On June 25 2014 09:49 NydusHerMain wrote:EpishadeMeatPuddingTeemuHobbitusJabberWockZergHaruRH (yeah I'm that confused about HaruRH ._.) The_Templar TheKingOfCatsIf the person isn't listed, they haven't said enough for me to remember them in particular. If they aren't on the list, I'm going to say leaning scum but not comfortable voting on. I think my town list is too big but I'll re-evaluate it later. With respect to the EOD, I'll stay up to make sure I make it. I'm also not comfortable voting on TheKingOfCats right now because I feel like he's becoming more and more towny. I was more convinced he was mafia on day 1. I'll start voting when I see something scummy as fuck. Honestly, I'm surprised you put me at the top of your list. Even I wouldn't put myself there lol. I read your explanation and, though I'm glad you read me as townie, even I'd still have my suspicions about me if I were in your place over my Token being shot post. To put me over someone who hasn't made anybody suspicious all game, like Templar, who you left null, seems like a strange choice to me. I know I lost a bit of townieness when I posted my Token post. I knew I would before I posted it actually, but I'd rather post information that I thought would be relevant in catching scum and lose townie cred than ignore it altogether due to wifom. Actually, I thought that somebody might bring up the idea that I was scum, and that I shot Token just so I could make that post and throw off town's track, but nobody posted suspicions about that. Instead people posted that I had neglected some scenarios, which is true, too.
I think its more scummy how much you thought about how a couple posts would make you look super scummy and how people might blame you for a death. I haven't read your posts so not sure where I stand but this post seems weird. Good on you for saying that its weird nydus has you as town though. Can you explain why you think LT died then? Like any other theories assuming you weren't scum and shot him. Lots of people thought that was scummy and he clarified his thought process, I don't see how that's particularly scummy. He specifically said he didn't worry about what town would think, actually. He said he was worried about how his post would be perceived like specifically.
He said that he thought that someone would bring up a specific scenario, which nobody did. He also posted
I knew I would before I posted it actually, but I'd rather post information that I thought would be relevant in catching scum and lose townie cred than ignore it altogether due to wifom.
^That's not worried.
Are you also referring to a different post when you say this? I'm just looking his feelings from the perspective of that one post.
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On June 25 2014 11:13 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2014 10:47 Epishade wrote:On June 25 2014 09:49 NydusHerMain wrote:EpishadeMeatPuddingTeemuHobbitusJabberWockZergHaruRH (yeah I'm that confused about HaruRH ._.) The_Templar TheKingOfCatsIf the person isn't listed, they haven't said enough for me to remember them in particular. If they aren't on the list, I'm going to say leaning scum but not comfortable voting on. I think my town list is too big but I'll re-evaluate it later. With respect to the EOD, I'll stay up to make sure I make it. I'm also not comfortable voting on TheKingOfCats right now because I feel like he's becoming more and more towny. I was more convinced he was mafia on day 1. I'll start voting when I see something scummy as fuck. Honestly, I'm surprised you put me at the top of your list. Even I wouldn't put myself there lol. I read your explanation and, though I'm glad you read me as townie, even I'd still have my suspicions about me if I were in your place over my Token being shot post. To put me over someone who hasn't made anybody suspicious all game, like Templar, who you left null, seems like a strange choice to me. I know I lost a bit of townieness when I posted my Token post. I knew I would before I posted it actually, but I'd rather post information that I thought would be relevant in catching scum and lose townie cred than ignore it altogether due to wifom. Actually, I thought that somebody might bring up the idea that I was scum, and that I shot Token just so I could make that post and throw off town's track, but nobody posted suspicions about that. Instead people posted that I had neglected some scenarios, which is true, too. What about the post did you think others would find scummy and were you aware that you neglected some scenarios when you posted it?
Did nobody read the post? T_T
Actually, I thought that somebody might bring up the idea that I was scum, and that I shot Token just so I could make that post and throw off town's track
So, that, and no he wasn't aware according to a previous post he made,
On June 25 2014 03:29 Epishade wrote:
I had a feeling I might get some flak for my post earlier, albeit, not in the way I expected.
People are saying that my post is a little scummy for leaving out other scenarios. I did make it before Templar said he was jailed, and also before Haruhi said she was roleblocked. I honestly just didn't even consider that mafia would miss a shot and instead the shot might be from vigi. I also didn't really expect mafia to shoot someone at random, as I don't really think they would shoot someone without putting any thought into it just to screw with us.
I did consider (but didn't include) mafia using wifom in their shot decision in my post, such that we'd think they shot Token for being on the right track, when instead they shot Token because he was on the wrong track and they wanted us to think he was right. But I really didn't think that was the case either. I don't really see that happening in a newbie game, where they might expect that some people might not have even theorized that Token was shot because he was on the right track.
You guys realize too, that if mafia did, in fact, miss their target and vigi shot Token, that either Templar or Haruhi would be scum then, right?
the bolded parts. He also dismissed the mafia throwing us off, which is sort of weird.
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On June 25 2014 11:21 Tehpoofter wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2014 11:14 The_Templar wrote:On June 25 2014 11:12 Tehpoofter wrote:On June 25 2014 11:10 The_Templar wrote:On June 25 2014 10:52 Tehpoofter wrote:On June 25 2014 10:47 Epishade wrote:On June 25 2014 09:49 NydusHerMain wrote:EpishadeMeatPuddingTeemuHobbitusJabberWockZergHaruRH (yeah I'm that confused about HaruRH ._.) The_Templar TheKingOfCatsIf the person isn't listed, they haven't said enough for me to remember them in particular. If they aren't on the list, I'm going to say leaning scum but not comfortable voting on. I think my town list is too big but I'll re-evaluate it later. With respect to the EOD, I'll stay up to make sure I make it. I'm also not comfortable voting on TheKingOfCats right now because I feel like he's becoming more and more towny. I was more convinced he was mafia on day 1. I'll start voting when I see something scummy as fuck. Honestly, I'm surprised you put me at the top of your list. Even I wouldn't put myself there lol. I read your explanation and, though I'm glad you read me as townie, even I'd still have my suspicions about me if I were in your place over my Token being shot post. To put me over someone who hasn't made anybody suspicious all game, like Templar, who you left null, seems like a strange choice to me. I know I lost a bit of townieness when I posted my Token post. I knew I would before I posted it actually, but I'd rather post information that I thought would be relevant in catching scum and lose townie cred than ignore it altogether due to wifom. Actually, I thought that somebody might bring up the idea that I was scum, and that I shot Token just so I could make that post and throw off town's track, but nobody posted suspicions about that. Instead people posted that I had neglected some scenarios, which is true, too.
I think its more scummy how much you thought about how a couple posts would make you look super scummy and how people might blame you for a death. I haven't read your posts so not sure where I stand but this post seems weird. Good on you for saying that its weird nydus has you as town though. Can you explain why you think LT died then? Like any other theories assuming you weren't scum and shot him. Lots of people thought that was scummy and he clarified his thought process, I don't see how that's particularly scummy. He specifically said he didn't worry about what town would think, actually. He said he was worried about how his post would be perceived like specifically. He said that he thought that someone would bring up a specific scenario, which nobody did. He also posted I knew I would before I posted it actually, but I'd rather post information that I thought would be relevant in catching scum and lose townie cred than ignore it altogether due to wifom. ^That's not worried. Are you also referring to a different post when you say this? I'm just looking his feelings from the perspective of that one post. I find as mafia I will a lot of the times be very self aware of what I'm doing and saying and how it will be perceived because I know peoples alignments, what happened with the votes, why people died. So when I talk about them I'm conscious of the fact that people might think of the reason things happened and tie it back to me. I'm not saying what he said proves hes mafia but I don't give him any town points for it at all. Why do you feel the need to so strongly defend him?
My response assumed that you mis-read the post, which it definitely seemed like considering his post directly contradicted what you said. In addition, I've been paying attention to Epishade's posting pattern and he seems very aware of small details in posts that other people miss pretty easily, so I thought it could also affect his posting (combine this with my slightly town read on him).
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On June 25 2014 11:26 The_Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2014 11:21 Tehpoofter wrote:On June 25 2014 11:14 The_Templar wrote:On June 25 2014 11:12 Tehpoofter wrote:On June 25 2014 11:10 The_Templar wrote:On June 25 2014 10:52 Tehpoofter wrote:On June 25 2014 10:47 Epishade wrote:On June 25 2014 09:49 NydusHerMain wrote:EpishadeMeatPuddingTeemuHobbitusJabberWockZergHaruRH (yeah I'm that confused about HaruRH ._.) The_Templar TheKingOfCatsIf the person isn't listed, they haven't said enough for me to remember them in particular. If they aren't on the list, I'm going to say leaning scum but not comfortable voting on. I think my town list is too big but I'll re-evaluate it later. With respect to the EOD, I'll stay up to make sure I make it. I'm also not comfortable voting on TheKingOfCats right now because I feel like he's becoming more and more towny. I was more convinced he was mafia on day 1. I'll start voting when I see something scummy as fuck. Honestly, I'm surprised you put me at the top of your list. Even I wouldn't put myself there lol. I read your explanation and, though I'm glad you read me as townie, even I'd still have my suspicions about me if I were in your place over my Token being shot post. To put me over someone who hasn't made anybody suspicious all game, like Templar, who you left null, seems like a strange choice to me. I know I lost a bit of townieness when I posted my Token post. I knew I would before I posted it actually, but I'd rather post information that I thought would be relevant in catching scum and lose townie cred than ignore it altogether due to wifom. Actually, I thought that somebody might bring up the idea that I was scum, and that I shot Token just so I could make that post and throw off town's track, but nobody posted suspicions about that. Instead people posted that I had neglected some scenarios, which is true, too.
I think its more scummy how much you thought about how a couple posts would make you look super scummy and how people might blame you for a death. I haven't read your posts so not sure where I stand but this post seems weird. Good on you for saying that its weird nydus has you as town though. Can you explain why you think LT died then? Like any other theories assuming you weren't scum and shot him. Lots of people thought that was scummy and he clarified his thought process, I don't see how that's particularly scummy. He specifically said he didn't worry about what town would think, actually. He said he was worried about how his post would be perceived like specifically. He said that he thought that someone would bring up a specific scenario, which nobody did. He also posted I knew I would before I posted it actually, but I'd rather post information that I thought would be relevant in catching scum and lose townie cred than ignore it altogether due to wifom. ^That's not worried. Are you also referring to a different post when you say this? I'm just looking his feelings from the perspective of that one post. I find as mafia I will a lot of the times be very self aware of what I'm doing and saying and how it will be perceived because I know peoples alignments, what happened with the votes, why people died. So when I talk about them I'm conscious of the fact that people might think of the reason things happened and tie it back to me. I'm not saying what he said proves hes mafia but I don't give him any town points for it at all. Why do you feel the need to so strongly defend him? My response assumed that you mis-read the post, which it definitely seemed like considering his post directly contradicted what you said. In addition, I've been paying attention to Epishade's posting pattern and he seems very aware of small details in posts that other people miss pretty easily, so I thought it could also affect his posting (combine this with my slightly town read on him).
edit: I'm not "strongly defending him". I don't usually defend other people, but I do clarify what they say so they can defend themselves without being mis-interpreted, as is here.
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On June 25 2014 11:27 Epishade wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2014 11:17 The_Templar wrote:On June 25 2014 11:13 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 25 2014 10:47 Epishade wrote:On June 25 2014 09:49 NydusHerMain wrote:EpishadeMeatPuddingTeemuHobbitusJabberWockZergHaruRH (yeah I'm that confused about HaruRH ._.) The_Templar TheKingOfCatsIf the person isn't listed, they haven't said enough for me to remember them in particular. If they aren't on the list, I'm going to say leaning scum but not comfortable voting on. I think my town list is too big but I'll re-evaluate it later. With respect to the EOD, I'll stay up to make sure I make it. I'm also not comfortable voting on TheKingOfCats right now because I feel like he's becoming more and more towny. I was more convinced he was mafia on day 1. I'll start voting when I see something scummy as fuck. Honestly, I'm surprised you put me at the top of your list. Even I wouldn't put myself there lol. I read your explanation and, though I'm glad you read me as townie, even I'd still have my suspicions about me if I were in your place over my Token being shot post. To put me over someone who hasn't made anybody suspicious all game, like Templar, who you left null, seems like a strange choice to me. I know I lost a bit of townieness when I posted my Token post. I knew I would before I posted it actually, but I'd rather post information that I thought would be relevant in catching scum and lose townie cred than ignore it altogether due to wifom. Actually, I thought that somebody might bring up the idea that I was scum, and that I shot Token just so I could make that post and throw off town's track, but nobody posted suspicions about that. Instead people posted that I had neglected some scenarios, which is true, too. What about the post did you think others would find scummy and were you aware that you neglected some scenarios when you posted it? Did nobody read the post? T_T Actually, I thought that somebody might bring up the idea that I was scum, and that I shot Token just so I could make that post and throw off town's track So, that, and no he wasn't aware according to a previous post he made, On June 25 2014 03:29 Epishade wrote:
I had a feeling I might get some flak for my post earlier, albeit, not in the way I expected.
People are saying that my post is a little scummy for leaving out other scenarios. I did make it before Templar said he was jailed, and also before Haruhi said she was roleblocked. I honestly just didn't even consider that mafia would miss a shot and instead the shot might be from vigi. I also didn't really expect mafia to shoot someone at random, as I don't really think they would shoot someone without putting any thought into it just to screw with us.
I did consider (but didn't include) mafia using wifom in their shot decision in my post, such that we'd think they shot Token for being on the right track, when instead they shot Token because he was on the wrong track and they wanted us to think he was right. But I really didn't think that was the case either. I don't really see that happening in a newbie game, where they might expect that some people might not have even theorized that Token was shot because he was on the right track.
You guys realize too, that if mafia did, in fact, miss their target and vigi shot Token, that either Templar or Haruhi would be scum then, right? the bolded parts. He also dismissed the mafia throwing us off, which is sort of weird. Wait, didn't you do the same in reply to GlowBear's #4 point? Show nested quote +On June 25 2014 00:08 The_Templar wrote:I was jailed last night. Epishade's post seems to be coming under fire for ignoring some other possibilities that would require a very deceptive mafia. On June 24 2014 23:24 GlowingBear wrote:On June 24 2014 14:35 Epishade wrote:
Ermm, I was really not expecting Token to get shot, of all people. I expected either myself, Haruhi, or Templar to die tbh, as we've all been townread for the majority of the game by most people. Token could have been a potential case if someone were to call him out, so I have a hard time rationalizing why mafia would shoot Token over someone more townie.
The only way I can see Token's shot being justified is if mafia thought he was on the right track and shot him to get rid of him, because objectively, that looked like a bad shot to me. You usually shoot people that have little chance of getting lynched for reading townie, but there seemed to be enough suspicion on Token (or at least, more than the three people I listed above) for me to think that that wasn't the reason he was shot.
There are a few people that Token scumreads over day 1, and I think that probably played a part in his death.
His scumreads:
JabberZerg (initially, then changed his mind to a townread at 4:00, which wouldn't have given mafia time to change their shot if JabberZerg wanted to keep Token alive for townreading him, assuming that Jabber is mafia)
meatpudding
Teemursu
Cats
His townreads:
Haruhi
Templar
me
Hobbit (only in his post at 4:00)
Fence reads:
Nydus
Dunno reads:
GlowBear
Other peoples
So I think the cases should probably be focused on people in his scum list at this point. I mean, he did say for people to look at me, GlowBear, and Nydus day 2 in his 4:02 post, but I'm not considering these specifically right now because they came too late to be able to influence mafia, and I'm only looking at the reasoning for shooting Token here over someone else.
He also asked me to post my reads on him, Cats, and meatpudding at this point, too, but I woke up too early today and am dead tired. I'll post my reads on everybody I have reads for sometime tomorrow after I wake up.
Night all. Your post strike me as odd. It's because the scenario you've brought isn't the only one possible. Possible scenarios are: 1) Tolkien was on the right track and asking the right questions, so it was better for Mafia to make him shut up. This is too simplistic, it would easily lead townies to lynch the right people. I don't think Mafia would do this. 2) Tolkien wasn't on the right track but being shot would lead town to misread other townies. This one seems more plausible to me. 3) My stupid mistake made them change their top townies change targets to someone who had more scumreads 4) Top townies are actually very good scums and they killed at random (I think this is too much)
As I think (2) is more plausible, your post striked me as odd because you seem to push (1) as the only possible interpretation, leading townies to misreads and, therefore, to mislynchs. I'll keep an eye on you. I was going to reply something similar to this in response to Epishade's post. We can't assume that the mafia is trying to cover their tracks, as that doesn't cover half the possibilities. 1) If it's too simple, do you think 2 or 3 of JabberZerg, meatpudding, Teemursu, Cats are mafia? And where would you begin with that list? 2) This is, indeed, more likely, but again that doesn't lead us anywhere, except we can assume only one of those four, at most, are mafia. So if we lynch meatpudding and he flips red then it will be likely those other 3 are town. 3) I don't understand this one, can you clarify further? 4) Very unlikely, considering this is a newbie game.It's also possible that I was targeted by the mafia and Tolkien was killed by a vigilante. But that's somewhat unlikely as well. On June 24 2014 21:49 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 24 2014 14:35 Epishade wrote:
Ermm, I was really not expecting Token to get shot, of all people. I expected either myself, Haruhi, or Templar to die tbh, as we've all been townread for the majority of the game by most people. Token could have been a potential case if someone were to call him out, so I have a hard time rationalizing why mafia would shoot Token over someone more townie.
The only way I can see Token's shot being justified is if mafia thought he was on the right track and shot him to get rid of him, because objectively, that looked like a bad shot to me. You usually shoot people that have little chance of getting lynched for reading townie, but there seemed to be enough suspicion on Token (or at least, more than the three people I listed above) for me to think that that wasn't the reason he was shot.
There are a few people that Token scumreads over day 1, and I think that probably played a part in his death.
His scumreads:
JabberZerg (initially, then changed his mind to a townread at 4:00, which wouldn't have given mafia time to change their shot if JabberZerg wanted to keep Token alive for townreading him, assuming that Jabber is mafia)
meatpudding
Teemursu
Cats
His townreads:
Haruhi
Templar
me
Hobbit (only in his post at 4:00)
Fence reads:
Nydus
Dunno reads:
GlowBear
Other peoples
So I think the cases should probably be focused on people in his scum list at this point. I mean, he did say for people to look at me, GlowBear, and Nydus day 2 in his 4:02 post, but I'm not considering these specifically right now because they came too late to be able to influence mafia, and I'm only looking at the reasoning for shooting Token here over someone else.
He also asked me to post my reads on him, Cats, and meatpudding at this point, too, but I woke up too early today and am dead tired. I'll post my reads on everybody I have reads for sometime tomorrow after I wake up.
Night all. First of all you're assuming that scum shot Tolkien, it's possible that scum got jailed/roleblocked and the vig shot Tolkien. Tolkien being shot because be suspected the right people makes little sense but lets analyze it a bit. If me or meatpudding are scum it would be pointless to shoot him for suspecting us because half the game does, if either of us were to shoot him it wouldn't change anything for us and it would actually be detrimental for us to do that as scum because Tolkien was looking scummy to a lot of people too and he would've been one of the easier people to push for a mislynch. seeing as him, me and meatpudding were the main lynch candidates today we wouldn't kill one of our most valid chances to escape a lynch. Teemu, well this one's simple. If he was going to shoot someone for being "on" to him it would've been meatpudding because meatpudding's been on him more. Why would he shoot Tolkien over meatpudding? Why would he shoot either of them for that matter? They were both suspicious to a lot of people and he wasn't. As for Jabber...i dunno. He seems to be on a few peoples radars if i remember correctly, it would make more sense to shoot one of them for being "on" to him as opposed to one of the lynch candidates. It really doesn't make sense for scum to shoot him especially for the reason you posted. Personally i think the less likely situation of scum's NK being blocked and a Vig targeting Tolkien is more likely. The bolded part is extremely good. A lot of people on that scum list were scummy to a lot of people, and would want to keep tolkien around to make sure he would get attention from his somewhat aggressive MM lynch (I thought this made him more townish to me at the end), which was scummy to a lot of people. So they have no reason to bother killing him. On June 24 2014 22:12 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 24 2014 22:04 Teemursu wrote:
From an hour to three hours, generally. Day is from 15 to 30 minutes and night is maybe 5 minutes?
Could you instead post and reference my analysis on day 1?
I'll probably start reading and answering in about three hours. Thank you. That means you townreading Templar so quickly isn't scummy. I'll be looking through your and everyone else's filters a bit later (i started looking through your filter yesterday and that's what made me ask meatpudding all those questions). I just came in to check the thread after waking up, effort will be applied in...lets say 3-4 hours. I thought I said at the beginning that video mafia went pretty quickly and making reads this early was normal there. I'm still tired and will be reading more into these things later, but I am applying for a job this afternoon and won't have a ton of time like I usually do.
No. In my post, I meant "it was unlikely they chose randomly just to throw us off". Your post dismissed them killing tolkien for the reason that he was on the wrong track.
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On June 25 2014 11:28 Tehpoofter wrote:
Templar do you agree or disagree with my assertion that Scum care about how their posts are perceived? Or at least are very likely to be aware of it.
Oh, I agree with it. Some people will care about how their posts are perceived as town, though.
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On June 25 2014 11:34 Tehpoofter wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 25 2014 07:57 The_Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2014 05:57 Tehpoofter wrote:GOOD NEWS FOLKS I have come to save this village from imminent fail. I never should have left Teemu and Nydus in charge. I will give mafia an hour to concede. At which point if our town surrender demands are not met I will begin referring to mafia as wolves to further degrade them and calling them out one by one. I have linked the hero before me's beautiful filter for full analysis: On June 21 2014 22:48 Solar424 wrote:
Hello. I am new to TL, and this is the first time playing Mafia online, bu I know the rules. RIP Solar424 2014-2014. Oh good, I guess mafia is surrendering in a few minutes.  Show nested quote +On June 25 2014 06:09 Tehpoofter wrote:On June 25 2014 06:05 Teemursu wrote:
Banks, if there's anything you want to talk about while you're going through the pages, let me know! You may have said it before but who is your top wolf/village. (<<<<<<<<< Please use the following format.
Top Town: Tehpoofter
Town: Mr.White, Colonel Mustard
Wolfy: Professor Plum, Mr. Green
OUTTED WOLF: The Candlestick
The_Templar
KOTC
Hobbitus
Haru* Tehpoofter Epishade* mtamburini, GlowingBear*
Teemu* Nydus*
Jabberwockzerg
Meatpudding
*Going to talk about these further mtamburini is in the center, bolded, to draw the line between more mafia and more scum, as I have literally zero clue about his alignment so far (he hasn't posted ). Only the ones in green/red I have any strong feelings about. Haru: Only not green because he's sort of erratic. He's jumped immediately onto people for small mistakes, which is ok, but he's also sometimes making assumptions (It's not unlikely but he takes it as completely true). He does a lot of extra stuff I wanted to do to look town in my first game, particularly making a list of important posts and asking a LOT of questions, both of which I like this game. Epishade: He made one suspicious post so far, which knocked him down quite a bit on my list as well as everyone else's. Show nested quote +On June 24 2014 14:35 Epishade wrote:
Ermm, I was really not expecting Token to get shot, of all people. I expected either myself, Haruhi, or Templar to die tbh, as we've all been townread for the majority of the game by most people. Token could have been a potential case if someone were to call him out, so I have a hard time rationalizing why mafia would shoot Token over someone more townie.
The only way I can see Token's shot being justified is if mafia thought he was on the right track and shot him to get rid of him, because objectively, that looked like a bad shot to me. You usually shoot people that have little chance of getting lynched for reading townie, but there seemed to be enough suspicion on Token (or at least, more than the three people I listed above) for me to think that that wasn't the reason he was shot.
There are a few people that Token scumreads over day 1, and I think that probably played a part in his death.
His scumreads:
JabberZerg (initially, then changed his mind to a townread at 4:00, which wouldn't have given mafia time to change their shot if JabberZerg wanted to keep Token alive for townreading him, assuming that Jabber is mafia)
meatpudding
Teemursu
Cats
His townreads:
Haruhi
Templar
me
Hobbit (only in his post at 4:00)
Fence reads:
Nydus
Dunno reads:
GlowBear
Other peoples
So I think the cases should probably be focused on people in his scum list at this point. I mean, he did say for people to look at me, GlowBear, and Nydus day 2 in his 4:02 post, but I'm not considering these specifically right now because they came too late to be able to influence mafia, and I'm only looking at the reasoning for shooting Token here over someone else.
He also asked me to post my reads on him, Cats, and meatpudding at this point, too, but I woke up too early today and am dead tired. I'll post my reads on everybody I have reads for sometime tomorrow after I wake up.
Night all. Why did he assume that Tolkien's scum list influenced the mafia's decision, and why did he assume that Tolkien's list was even accurate (he didn't ever have a read on him)? Sort of odd… but he has followed up on his promise to post read this day (it's a good list too, you should read it), which is more than a lot of people in this game have done, and admitted he was wrong about his assumptions instead of insisting we were wrong (a lot of people have done this). GlowingBear: Null reads galore at the beginning of the game, sort of jumping on stuff a bit late, but does offer some short analysis quite often (more lists the possibilities than concluding anything). Not sure about him. In addition, this post: Show nested quote +On June 24 2014 03:19 GlowingBear wrote:On June 24 2014 03:04 HaruRH wrote:On June 24 2014 02:15 GlowingBear wrote:
I think Haru is dangerous because he leads our reads. He ask questions to be answered and, therefore, changes the route of our reasoning. If he is scum, he has got us on his hands.
But I never saw any scum sign in his posts. I think he ask good questions that may help town. So, I think he is townie. please don't think of me this way Haha don't worry, I have good feelings towards you. You sound greeny, even blueish to me. I just like to cover all possibilities. I'd be too naive if I didn't. Overly casual townie, or subtle scum trying to get town panicking? I bet you can't tell. Teemu: I don't like a lot of what he's been doing and he's too consistent in this game. He's pretty much been reading me as town for the whole game, without really clarifying it. After he straightened out what he meant by me being towny earlier, he stopped addressing me completely. Exactly the same situation with Nydus. But when he reads a mafia, he doesn't let go, instead continually emphasizing how much he thinks they're mafia (see meatpudding). And even though he's been trying to take charge of the town, he still used GlowingBear to create a scum read out of Epishade when he had him as on the fence, not really drawing his own conclusions. Also, what the hell is this? Show nested quote +On June 25 2014 06:26 Teemursu wrote:On June 25 2014 06:25 NydusHerMain wrote:
It's just as hard to read Tehpoofter in forum mafia as it is to read him in video mafia it appears -_- .... I'll have a large writeup in about 2 hours. I want to just make one big post with what I think about everyone in general Great. More posts that I don't want to read. However, he's really aggressive, friendly and I think he's trying to be/seem helpful so I don't want to put him on my scum list right now. Nydus: Do something helpful and not directly related to Teemu and I'll move you back to neutral. Are we talking about the same post Templar? This one I have spoiled above is the one you made which includes his original post in it. I have bolded where you thought it was scummy. I just find it odd that you thought it was scummy then since then hadn't commented that you no longer felt that way and feel the need to quite strongly disagree with me.
I wasn't talking about that post, no. I was talking about his clarification later:
On June 25 2014 10:47 Epishade wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2014 09:49 NydusHerMain wrote:EpishadeMeatPuddingTeemuHobbitusJabberWockZergHaruRH (yeah I'm that confused about HaruRH ._.) The_Templar TheKingOfCatsIf the person isn't listed, they haven't said enough for me to remember them in particular. If they aren't on the list, I'm going to say leaning scum but not comfortable voting on. I think my town list is too big but I'll re-evaluate it later. With respect to the EOD, I'll stay up to make sure I make it. I'm also not comfortable voting on TheKingOfCats right now because I feel like he's becoming more and more towny. I was more convinced he was mafia on day 1. I'll start voting when I see something scummy as fuck. Honestly, I'm surprised you put me at the top of your list. Even I wouldn't put myself there lol. I read your explanation and, though I'm glad you read me as townie, even I'd still have my suspicions about me if I were in your place over my Token being shot post. To put me over someone who hasn't made anybody suspicious all game, like Templar, who you left null, seems like a strange choice to me. I know I lost a bit of townieness when I posted my Token post. I knew I would before I posted it actually, but I'd rather post information that I thought would be relevant in catching scum and lose townie cred than ignore it altogether due to wifom. Actually, I thought that somebody might bring up the idea that I was scum, and that I shot Token just so I could make that post and throw off town's track, but nobody posted suspicions about that. Instead people posted that I had neglected some scenarios, which is true, too.
The post you quoted, I still think is a bit scummy, and yeah I'm not super sure about Epishade anymore. I was just trying to clarify what he said later.
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On June 25 2014 11:28 NydusHerMain wrote:
##Vote: GlowingBear
towny feel isn't good enough for me, clearly mafia
On June 25 2014 11:08 NydusHerMain wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2014 10:56 Teemursu wrote:Nydus, do you not read the same adorable town tone from GlowingBear as I am? Okay, so, supposed meatpudding is Mafia. What is he looking for with that question? Well, in my point of view, he is trying to know who is getting votes so him and his partners can set up a strategy as Mafia. His whole blue thing during the night was a little awkward, but no reason to really drop him from a list or anything (not really saying you don't have him there because of that). I would've actually used this post for a "townie perspective" feel. I had to reread GlowingBear's filter because I barely remembered him. Yeah feels kinda towny. I think I'd use the word adorable too haha.
What the hell?
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