EPTOn May 06 2014 20:57 Steveling wrote:
I'm very happy with vivax, I would pet him if I could, lol.
Very nice and logical posts.
I'm very happy with vivax, I would pet him if I could, lol.
Very nice and logical posts.
Thanks man.
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On May 06 2014 00:53 Holyflare wrote: So why is it that I can't use meta to prove that what you are saying is utter BS but you CAN use meta about yourself to say that you are right? Is this real life or are you just squirming? In what world does town oats lie about something so obviously fact checkable to try and get someone lynched when the game hasn't even started? + Show Spoiler + For anyone that wants to listen to his nonsense and is unconvinced about lynching this mofo yet: Catastrophe Mafia (Themed) - Didn't do anything ALL of day 1 (oats was in this game), trolled majority of it. Cell mini mafia trolled almost all game Titanic 3 Made a fake case on DP to start discussion/get the ball rolling/troll (oats was also in this game!!!) Vengeful Mafia Did the same thing as titanic 3 Really small mafia - scooby doo all game You have been in a lot of my games where I've opened with trolling! THAT is why there is an "overreaction" (hint: there's not), you LIED about my meta and it's something you should know about seeing as you were in a lot of those games to get me LYNCHED in an instant majority game but then when I point that out and you have to backtrack and suddenly me pointing out your lie is an overreaction???????? You are scum. I think what I bold here has so much emphasis that HF is either hysterical about what oats did or adheres to an aggressive scumread push too early in the game. It reads so dramatic and theatrical that it gives me scumvibes. Don't know about you but I do tend to get emphas-y and emotional as scum. Again, it's one bit of the puzzle. I wouldn't base my whole read on this but it bumps it into a direction and hence I would like some feedback. | ||
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In the first I find it out of place that he would mention a summary of his opinion on some other players in a post that is otherwise designed to respond to my post and say he's suspicious of me. That makes me wonder about the motivation to talk about other stuff, cause it could be self-presentation (something like "look I'm making reads", but maybe it's something different and Cava can explain to me what it was that made him say that in between. On May 06 2014 02:38 Cavalinho wrote: Why does anyone have to like anything about my post in the first place? It was a post I made when everyone was goofing off, and then all of a sudden I start watching out for L-2 botes and I'm the most suspicious guy in the thread? Wtf? How is that even a logical conclusion to jump to at all? I do want to hear more from Koshi I guess, but Vivax is super suspicious to me right now. Steveling is doing silly shit too, but is pushing a possible inconsistency. I can see his line of thinking making sense, albeit being incorrect. Vivax is twisting shit. Why would I bother mentioning you at all in a joke post? Why would I willingly just put you at L-2 for no reason whatsoever, off of yet another joke post? Furthermore, why would I need to justify myself when the case on you is obviously fake? What are you trying to pull? In this post it's the last part. It displays a certain frustration that Steve focuses on Cava as possibly scummy while not on me for his points on me. I mean, it doesn' thave to be frustration but it certainly displays a certain aggressiveness. A lot of Cava's emphasis seems to go to his status as lynch bait in the majority of games (and that IS defensive), while imo you can townread him as I did in my last game, admittedly tentatively before reading who my scumbuddies were, mostly based on the assertive nature of his first posts. On May 06 2014 16:17 Cavalinho wrote: I've survived to Day 2 a grand total of one time. One. Out of 5 games. You think I'm not going to get defensive quickly? The town has proven to be my worst enemy, over and over again, for poor reasons. I don't trust any case being built up on me at any point to be left alone for any period of time. Furthermore, why do you ignore all of the other points that I've made? | ||
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On May 07 2014 01:21 Holyflare wrote: Oats not so much anymore, vivax pretty stronk. He complains that he didn't want to argue with me to stop discussion being stifled yet ignored everything i was doing to discuss his point. He returns to the thread with the same points previously but - the oats part which me and oats already disproved and when discussion starts he leaves again. He's talking at us rather than with us. And how does all of this make me scum? I bring my points across, you can elaborate on them or not and if you don't think they are true then you don't have to try and convince me so hard of your own point of view. I have trouble understanding what you're trying to achieve with all your actions. You want me to see Cava's post as townie, I don't think I have to. You want me to acknowledge Oats is a liar and that makes me scum. I use other ways of reading him. And when I don't agree with you and don't want to discuss that with you cause I don't enjoy that, then it makes me scum? | ||
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Why just say "Hey bro plz look townie". | ||
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On May 07 2014 21:02 thrawn2112 wrote: i dont think koshi is the lynch you're looking for vivax. what are your reads? on everyone please. Why shouldn't Koshi be the lynch you're looking for? I'm not sure about most of my reads hence why I'm not pushing anyone aggressively, but I do call out the stuff I find as a possible scumtell. I'm not sure about any of my reads, except maybe on Steve but I'm probably biased cause he actually reads and understands what I write. | ||
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On May 07 2014 21:09 thrawn2112 wrote: it's too late into the day to not have reads. you are at L-1 so it's time to step up. just give us something, even if it's not conclusive. at least something so that we can try to figure out wtf you're doing. Unvote me so I know I can start doing some work without being hammered before having finished. | ||
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On May 07 2014 21:09 thrawn2112 wrote: it's too late into the day to not have reads. you are at L-1 so it's time to step up. just give us something, even if it's not conclusive. at least something so that we can try to figure out wtf you're doing. Also why isn't Koshi the lynch we're looking for? Don't dodge the question. | ||
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On May 07 2014 21:16 Koshi wrote: Here answer this: 1) Why didn't you give input when I was pressuring steve on his bullshit cav read? 2) Why did you call Oats town after he made 4 posts for meta reasons? Oats had 2 posts, you ask Oats to make more posts, Oats make 2 more posts and you call Oats town for meta reasoning. Not his reads. 3) Why do you call HF scum for meta reasons on how you play scum, but ignore the fact you just played with scum HF and it isn't this. Everytime I bring it up you don't even comment on it. You pretend you don't read it. 1)If you mean the lurk-unlurk thing: I did give input. I said that read is for the entirely wrong reasons, it was bs (I hope I said it and it didn't get buried in an unfinished post but that's how i remember it). I'm actually inclined to believe it wasn't even serious, maybe Steve can confirm(?). And no, it doesn't make me think Steve is scummy, does it make you think that? 2) It was a quick gut read based on reasons stated and mostly from revisiting Dr Who mafia where I was scum with Oats. Didn't know about his other games cause I wasn't in the ones HF quoted I think. Overall I assume Oats would do stupid things more often as town than as scum where he shows some level of care in his play. 3) I'm suspicious of HF cause he pushes everything he finds, even if it's just stuff he disagrees with then that's immediately scummy (for example my Cava points). Last game I told him in qt that I found him as possible scummer for the fact he was pushing everything aggressively, he was tryhard at pushing whatever he could find and not as tryhard at clearing townies. And in qt he said he plays like that as town too but I believed that was just his ego-protection-mechanism. Mind you, in early stages of the game he acted to that pattern cause then found the opportunity to townread people cause I asked him about it. Here he posted a list of all his reads I think. I'm not scumreading him at this point but definitely not townreading him. | ||
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On May 07 2014 21:28 Holyflare wrote: So someone understanding what you write is town despite him being the only 1 out of 7 people. You do realise he called you super town without reading your filter and refused to back it up at all? He then completely flipped on that in his big read post. I thought the flip was his way of saying "let's hammer Vivax and see how wrong you are". | ||
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On May 07 2014 21:28 Holyflare wrote: So someone understanding what you write is town despite him being the only 1 out of 7 people. You do realise he called you super town without reading your filter and refused to back it up at all? He then completely flipped on that in his big read post. Koshi understood what I meant with Cava as well. I need to revisit him but the point is that a lot of people use their disagreement with my reads as an only basis for scumreading me which is not how you find scum, you included. I can disagree with your read and still find you town ezpz, knowing people are more often wrong than right. As you see, I look at other stuff to find scum than just arguments that are wrong. | ||
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On May 13 2014 07:34 Koshi wrote: And not poor Vivax. That lynch was so bad I cheered for scum | ||
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