EPTI seriously hope I don't regret doing this.
On another note, sup?
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I seriously hope I don't regret doing this. On another note, sup? | ||
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Jkjk  And hi Amiko! | ||
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hahaha But I understand why not playing with a framer. Can really get mafia sided there. Should be an interesting game for my first forum game! Woot! | ||
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Yeah, I play video mafia. I'm also a regular on epicmafia. So I have some mafia experience. | ||
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So you immediately start with day in this setup? Interesting | ||
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Hopefully I'll be a little better at this. Rob is a good video player. Never seen him play forum, so should be interesting to see him play a game sometime. And yeah, reading through the way people type is more difficult than the facial expressions and voice inflections. I'm excited! | ||
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I shall recruit him/her into my army of ninjabunnies!!! | ||
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On April 12 2014 01:52 Amiko wrote: But then you have to update your name to 28ninjabunnies :x Truth! Or I can kill off one of the weaker bunnies to make room for another. It's illegal to go over 27 bunnies for an army. | ||
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On April 13 2014 02:28 mtamburini wrote: I have played a lot of video mafia with bunnies, just recently watched her play some forum/em games and im really scared how good she is as either allignment. I will enojy trying to read her this game Awww thanks I'm flattered tamburini.Though you have bested me once or twice in some EM games. And video mafia. Lol Still salty on that medic cc! | ||
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Jk, Mardi Gras is. But Easter celebrates the rising of christ. And my bunny friends! | ||
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On April 19 2014 16:40 Eden1892 wrote: yes, yes it is I didn't think anyone else celebrated that! prolly not like we do in Louisiana tho Oh hell yeah! Celebrate it every year, but then again, I live in Louisiana! My favorite holiday of all time! | ||
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On April 19 2014 18:47 Eden1892 wrote: ! other people from Louisiana hype elevated where at? I go to LSU Haha no kidding! I attend Centenary College of LA. in Shreveport. | ||
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I hope tehpoofter plays then. Because if we aren't the same alignment, he's gonna get REKT! Maybe I'm just too excited for this game. | ||
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Let's get this party started!!!! | ||
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You trolls. XD | ||
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On April 29 2014 10:54 mtamburini wrote: Ready set go! Welcome noobies I will be your leader throughout this game. I hope you are all prepared for lynching mafia, I'm currently working on making my noose nice and strong. I dont want the mafia to wiggle out of it and escape when we watch them hang by their necks. I will not tolerate any scumbags poisoning my town! Tamburini is obvious mafia here. Lynch with power!!!! In all seriousness, establishing yourself already as leader? Seems pretty scummy to me. Plus I've seen you lead town into the ground many times. Until you give me reason to actually follow you, you are are on my scum radar. Btw for the rest of you: the name is 27ninjabunnies, but you can just call me bunnies. Yes, I am a girl, and no, you will not miss lynch me this game. | ||
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On April 29 2014 11:03 sqrtofneg1 wrote: Hi bunnies! First time here? Yes, first time here at tl. But I'm nowhere new to the game of mafia. I play epicmafia and video mafia, one better than the other. Wanted to try out forum mafia. I like that you are trying to get town to talk, but how about you tell us something about yourself, instead of pinging everyone else out. I don't know you, or others here. | ||
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Yeah, I got the name meaning. College calculus will do that to you. Also, @Yell0w Do you feel mafia talks too much or too little usually? Because, sqrt is making himself known to everyone. Would you think he would more likely try to blend in rather than stand out as mafia? Also, include how much mafia games you have played. This will help me read your response to my questions. | ||
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On April 29 2014 11:16 mtamburini wrote: + Show Spoiler + On April 29 2014 11:02 27ninjabunnies wrote: Tamburini is obvious mafia here. Lynch with power!!!! In all seriousness, establishing yourself already as leader? Seems pretty scummy to me. Plus I've seen you lead town into the ground many times. Until you give me reason to actually follow you, you are are on my scum radar. Btw for the rest of you: the name is 27ninjabunnies, but you can just call me bunnies. Yes, I am a girl, and no, you will not miss lynch me this game. I REALLY hope we are both townies this game otherwise you are gonna have a bad time. You remember that Epicmafia game right? I have it on my favourites if you want to watch it again ;-) Oh yeah, I know exactly the game you are talking about. But remember this Tamburini, I have wrecked you both as mafia and as town. So you better hope we are both town, because I will bury your ass so far into the ground, you can't even rise as a zombie. | ||
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On April 29 2014 11:21 Yell0w wrote: I never actually played mafia, I play werewolf in real life, which is pretty much the same I guess, and I don't think him talking is indicative of him being mafia or not, I just think he likes talking. May I point out you said this. On April 29 2014 11:03 Yell0w wrote: So this sqrt guy sure seems to enjoy talking, so he's probably mafia. Yet you don't think him talking a lot is indicative of being mafia? Contradicting yourself already? | ||
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On April 29 2014 11:21 Amiko wrote: ninjabunnies / mtamburini do you know anyone else besides each other in this game? Besides tamburini, whom I play epicmafia and video mafia with, I know Robik the coach, and one of the replacements, tehpoofter, but we might not even see him this game. | ||
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And ladies? Lynch em!!! @Yell0w, seriously, you claim mafia, I lynch you in a heartbeat. Been in toooo many games where someone has claimed mafia, doesn't get lynched, and turns out to be mafia. ##VOTE: Yell0w | ||
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@Amiko: that's why I did that. I've followed a few TL mafia games. @Eden: Reaction testing: yes. Cunning: absolutely. Am I rescinding? No. @tamburini: I agree, nice qualities. However, what makes you so qualified? What have you done to lead town? Besides declaring yourself as town leader. | ||
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And technically you just did tell people you were trans. But good for you My best friend is a trans. | ||
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As I stated earlier, I don't like how he reacted. He claimed mafia, which yeah, I get seems trolly. And sure he may be town, but I've played games where a person has claimed mafia, even voted on themselves, and has lived til final mafia and won as mafia. So as of now, I don't like Yell0w, and until he proves otherwise, I'm keeping my vote on him. What did you learn from this? | ||
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@ Epishade: My thing was, he said Sqrt was mafia because he likes talking, then when I questioned him on it about whether he thinks that a person talking a lot is indicative of being mafia, he changed what he previously said and was like "No, I don't think it is indicative of being mafia." I get what you mean on Eden and Sqrt bussing, but I haven't really taken the time to read much into that. @Meat: I am not 27. I am actually 20 XD But that is irrelevant. | ||
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That was his only response to that. He gave no other reasoning as to why his read was contradicting. He avoided the question. So that was my reaction testing. | ||
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@Epishade: Really? A scum read. Very well. This is usually how I play, I push people to talk, I read from what they say. And I read other people's reactions from what I respond. Maybe my reads are wrong, but it is how i am reading him. I also want to point out, my vote isn't set in stone. It can easily be changed to someone else. I just need reason to change it. | ||
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I sound like moose? As in the moose we both know? No, fuck that. | ||
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On April 29 2014 11:58 ritoky wrote: I am not particularly a fan of this post, and a lot of the subsequent posts by sqrt. I understand that this is day 1 and information is at an all time low, but encouraging fooling around and then continuing to do so after some legitimate discussion has begun rubs me the wrong way. I also read Epishade's comments as deflective and dismissive. Unlike Bunnies and like you Epishade I am not convinced that yell0w is scum at all, but you seem to want to say "it's a joke, move on". I disagree, I think bunnies is right to apply pressure and see a response. It seems strange to me that you seem to want to simply move on before legitimate response has been explored. The bolded part is exactly what I am trying to get at. It's his response, and others' responses to this. | ||
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I'll leave the yellow thing alone for now, seeing as everyone wants to move from it, but I will revisit this in the future. ##Unvote | ||
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On April 29 2014 12:15 Eden1892 wrote: Right, then, time to get to work. ##VOTE: Sweetfrost I mean, I'm all for reaction testing, but can someone explain to me why this is okay to do, and what I did apparently is scummy as fuck? Especially when I havent seen sweetfrost talk once? | ||
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On April 29 2014 12:39 Epishade wrote: I had it in my mind that Bunny was attempting to get an easy 1st day lynch by making a bad accusation against Yellow. When I said that her actions against Yellow gave me a scumread, you said you didn't agree with me there. Ritoky also suggested that Bunny was getting information from Yellow, instead of trying to kill Yellow with the lynch. I thought that Bunny was pushing too strongly for very little reason, and that looked like scum behavior to me. Ritoky said that she was probably digging for information, and I thought that that was actually a pretty justifiable reason for her behavior. I changed my opinion on Bunny mainly from Ritoky's post, but you also disagreeing with my scumread made me think I might be wrong about the situation. I certainly didn't want to continue forth with Bunny being a scumread when you guys had changed my mind about her aggressive posting. I appreciate you taking into consideration others' read on me. But I would like to ask something. Why do you assume Yell0w is an easy d1 lynch? | ||
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On April 29 2014 12:43 mtamburini wrote: Bunnies I think we need to apply pressure back on YELLOW. How should I have responded? If your town you shouldnt care on how to appear more towny. This a classic rookie mafia mistake. ##VOTE: Yell0w I was reading that too, tamburini, however, as of now, yellow seems t be much off of the table. It could also be a rookie town mistake, wanting to know how it made him look scummy instead of townie. | ||
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On April 29 2014 12:47 Epishade wrote: I thought that your attacks on him were spot on, if not for the fact that what he made at first was in jest. I was thinking others would disregard this fact and bandwagon onto the first scummy looking person to lynch day1. Although this new post from Yellow I'll admit is kind of weird. The fact that everyone is reading his response as "in jest" is weird to me. How can you tell? Because I couldn't. Also, no one BW that. Could be mafia not wanting to bw on their partner? Still doesnt explain why you think that he is an easy d1 lynch. | ||
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On April 29 2014 12:52 mtamburini wrote: Fuck that shit no one is off the table today, I want this Yell0w person to die after everything thats happened. 1 Sarcasm 2 Asking how I can be more towny is not towny. These are 2 really good reasons to push harder on Yell0w. I liked bunnies initial push but wasnt ready to jump on board just yet, wanted Yell0w to talk some more and see what they had to say, and I did not like anything said so far. Okay, so let's discuss Yellow a bit more then. You have seen my reasoning on him so far. What are yours? As in, the things he has said, what seems more scummy to you? What exactly did you not like? | ||
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On April 29 2014 13:07 Epishade wrote: "So this sqrt guy sure seems to enjoy talking, so he's probably mafia." You didn't think him just bluntly stating that sounded at all like a joke? I know nobody BWed it, but I didn't think Yellow was scummy at all to begin with (before he made his recent post that is. Idk what to think of that). I didn't want to lose a potential town for making a joke IF people had started to bw against Yellow. I guess, as you say, you didn't think what he said was a joke. You thought he slipped up, while I thought you were attacking him because he was the first suitable person to attack based on his "slip-up." I wasn't sure how far you were willing to take it to make Yellow look bad (but as I now figure from seeing others reactions, you were probably just getting info), and I thought you were attacking him too strongly for nothing. That was what gave me my initial scumread on you. Then others convinced me otherwise that I was probably looking too hard into your attack and I don't have that scumread anymore. Okay, I see what you are saying here. But no, I don't think him bluntly saying that is a joke. And here are my reasons. 1. I'd say it just to get a reaction. Like if I say, oh, tamburini is mafia for wanting to be leader (which I blatantly said, yet no one defended or deflected off of that like they did on yellow). I got more of a reaction to my questioning of Yellow than I did with tamburini, which is why I went further into questioning on yellow. 2. I wanted to see what Yellow thought to my questioning, to see if we had the same read on sqrt. Because here is why. There are two types of mafia imo: The ones who lurk, and the mafia who tend to want to be the first to talk or talk the most. I wanted to see what Yellow read into Sqrt, as if he was thought Sqrt was the latter mafia. | ||
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I'm just pointing that out. | ||
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You say I was attacking, but honestly, I don't even consider that as attacking, I was merely getting reads. | ||
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okay, short version. 1. He called someone mafia (sqrt) because he talked a lot, when I questioned his read, he said he didn't think him talking a lot was actually indicative of mafia. So I called him out on this as being contradictory. He then was like, "Oh you caught me, I'm mafia" So I voted him. For these reasons: 1. Ive played games where mafia has claimed being mafia, even voted themselves, and still got by and won as mafia. 2. This reaction was terrible, why not actually answer the question, which he ended up avoiding completely, until like 3 pages later. 3. I used this as to get reads from Yell0w and other people via the reactions to my pushing/questioning. You can read through my filter to see any other reasons I have stated, but that is the jist of it. Also @dravernor- I don't necessarily agree, but I am considering the possibility that Yell0w is town. It's one of the reasons why I rescended my vote. But I will be bringing up the Yell0w thing later in the day if I do not get reads from other people. Also, it wasn't an early lynch, as I stated above. It was reaction testing, and questioning. that is all. I would also like to point out. I DID CALL TAMBURINI SCUMMY. Yet no one is bringing this up?! It is weird that yell0w is the only one we are focusing on. So I feel maybe mafia are trying to deflect from their mafia partner (being Yell0w) | ||
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On April 29 2014 14:16 Eden1892 wrote: Someone talk to me about Yell0w here. What's the case on him? bunnies, mtamburini, ritoky, why do you suspect him right now? This is what you said. You asked what my case was on him. I gave you my case. I don't see what you are trying to get at with your previous post | ||
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That was geared at eden, not you epishade. I apologize! | ||
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On April 29 2014 14:42 27ninjabunnies wrote: @Epishade: Do I really have to state all the reasons again?! okay, short version. 1. He called someone mafia (sqrt) because he talked a lot, when I questioned his read, he said he didn't think him talking a lot was actually indicative of mafia. So I called him out on this as being contradictory. He then was like, "Oh you caught me, I'm mafia" So I voted him. For these reasons: 1. Ive played games where mafia has claimed being mafia, even voted themselves, and still got by and won as mafia. 2. This reaction was terrible, why not actually answer the question, which he ended up avoiding completely, until like 3 pages later. 3. I used this as to get reads from Yell0w and other people via the reactions to my pushing/questioning. You can read through my filter to see any other reasons I have stated, but that is the jist of it. Also @dravernor- I don't necessarily agree, but I am considering the possibility that Yell0w is town. It's one of the reasons why I rescended my vote. But I will be bringing up the Yell0w thing later in the day if I do not get reads from other people. Also, it wasn't an early lynch, as I stated above. It was reaction testing, and questioning. that is all. I would also like to point out. I DID CALL TAMBURINI SCUMMY. Yet no one is bringing this up?! It is weird that yell0w is the only one we are focusing on. So I feel maybe mafia are trying to deflect from their mafia partner (being Yell0w) This is @ Eden, not epishade. Sorry, got them mixed up. My apologies. | ||
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On April 29 2014 15:11 Eden1892 wrote: I'm not as sure on Yell0w as you guys are, but I'm not bothered by him being lynched. @bunnies: Do you still think mtamburini is scummy? And if so, how do you feel about the fact that he's been pushing Yell0w harder than everyone else except for you? So here's my thing on tamburini. He comes out immediately and declares himself as town leader. Which gives me two scenerios: he is actually town and thinks he can actually lead this game, or he is mafia wanting to look townie. Hence why I put him on my scum list. So I was sorta working the Yell0w/Tamburini angle at the same time. Tamburini came out and defended himself by bringing up some ogi stuff from some epicmafia games. That's fine. Whatever. But no one read into this. Either people thought he is townie, or the thing on Yell0w was worth more reading into. Then, when I rescinded my vote off of Yell0w, for multiple reasons, Tamburini wanted to jump right back on him, for him asking how he should have responded to my question. I find this weird. Especially since Tamburini immediately voted. Hence why I asked tamburini to talk more on Yell0w for his reads. So as of now, im null on Tamburini until he answers my question, but I'm leaning more scummy for him. | ||
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Tbh, I think I have a good case on both, but I see what you are saying. Yes, I'm keeping them both open, for reasons. Reads. And until more people talk, and tamburini gives his reasoning to my questions, I can't really make a super confident decision. | ||
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On April 29 2014 16:11 dfs wrote: Greetings. Looks like living on the better side of the world made me miss a lot of fun stuff here. From what see the major discussion is going between the most active so far 27ninjabunnies, Epishade and Eden1892 about Yell0w's and mtamburini's weird behavior and Bunny's reads on that. Yell0w's behavior looks like just "joking around" to me, but is still kind of weird. sqrtofneg1 talked a lot, but wasn't beeing very productive with that. What I'm qurious about right now is that mtamburini called himself a leader from the get go, but was relatively passive to the discussion for now (he did called Yell0w on that last weird post of his though). Bunny is being the most active and looks like she knows what she's doing. Everybody is on my scum list untill proven otherwise, the day is still young. This is just for you all be be clear on my thoughs so far. Welcome to the conversation! What do you have to say about eden voting you? | ||
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@ Yell0w: So you agree with me "100% with you, some mafia talks a lot, which is why I said he(sqrt) was mafia.", but then later state in that same paragraph that you don't think him talking in indicative of being mafia. Can you see why I was iffy on you right? However, after reading more of your posts and seeing your defense, I would like to place you as possible town. And here is the reason why for the rest of you: his reaction to tamburini, his reaction to my pushing, and the pushing of others, and his explaination of why he thought I was town/mafia. He sorta implied both in the same paragraph, so Ima assume he means I am fenced. I can elaborate on this later if necessary. @Sweetfrost: I want to point out to you that in no way I was defending the vote on you. Please reread what I posted. I was curious as to why my initial vote on Yell0w, given with reason as to why I thought he was scum, was scummy when eden was just throwing random votes left and right, and not getting called scum for it. I'm trying to find who the mafia are, and Eden, well, not sure what Eden was doing except maybe get conversation going. I think he could have gone about it a better way, but yeah. @Tamburini: I had asked you this- On April 29 2014 12:59 27ninjabunnies wrote: Okay, so let's discuss Yellow a bit more then. You have seen my reasoning on him so far. What are yours? As in, the things he has said, what seems more scummy to you? What exactly did you not like? You stated (in the nested quote, I have bolded what I am focusing on), that you did not like anything Yell0w had said so far. That is what I wanted you to answer. What in his posts did you not like, and why? I wanted to see your thought process on this | ||
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On April 29 2014 23:29 Sweetfrost wrote: I also checked ninjabunnies filter and it seems you try way to hard to act the role of a Helix worshipper. Trying hard to win people to his side and even defending me when I get random voted which I appriciate but it also makes me suspicous that he is actually trying to win my trust. As soon as Yell0w became a suspect he has been pushing his guiltiness hard. I'm not sure what to make of this yet but I have a feeling that either Yell0w or ninjabunnies could be scum. But only one of them. I want to also comment on this. I stated in previous post I was not defending your vote, you can read that for yourself. I don't see how I have been pushing guiltiness hard. I have claimed multiple times in this forum I pushed to get reads, and I got them. I even then went as far as changing my vote off of Yell0w. If I was pushing hard, don't you think my vote would still be on him? | ||
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On April 30 2014 01:18 Amiko wrote: So right now, my suspicion is on Eden1892. Here’s the things that currently make me suspicious: 1) Seriousness of Votes Eden has thrown around a few votes, I think he’s changed more than anyone else so far. That isn’t inherently scummy to me – voting for pressure is fine. However, it makes me confused why his initial reaction to ninjabunnies’ pressure on yell0w was to question ninjabunnies rather than yell0w. I was thinking about voting for yell0w to add to the pressure (incidentally, it seemed like tamburini may have been as well – I’m not sure, but he did vote for yell0w after ninjabunnies removed her vote to at least keep pressure on). Basically, my point here is this: Given Eden’s willingness to vote without too much basis (on sweetfrost as a lurker, on epishade for his comments on yell0w, on dfs as a lurker) I would have expected him to be more initially supportive of pressure on yell0w from ninjabunnies. 2) Eden’s interaction with ninjabunnies To go a little deeper on Eden/ninjabunnies, Eden essentially asks ninjabunnies twice what she learned from the pressure on yell0w. (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/447955-newbie-mini-mafia-lv?page=13#255 and http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/447955-newbie-mini-mafia-lv?page=14#272). Initially, he seems to see bunnies as genuine, but also says she didn’t really answer his question – that seems a little weird. When bunnies responds again, I feel like she didn’t fully answer his question (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=21278572) – Eden had asked what she learned from the post, and she responded that bunnies avoided the question. In response, Eden names bunnies as his top town (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=21278604) The point here is this: Eden asks ninjabunnies some questions regarding her pressure on yell0w. When ninjabunnies doesn’t fully respond, Eden calls her genuine (though he notes she didn't respond). When she doesn’t fully respond again, Eden calls ninjabunnies his top town. This feels weird because if I ask someone a question and they don’t respond I get interested. If I ask again and they don’t respond, I get suspicious. So, Eden's response to ninjabunnies felt off to me. -- I would especially like to know thoughts on these points from the players who just recently started posting. I'm get the first time I didn't respond fully to eden's questioning on me as I read his post incorrectly. However the second time, I did fully respond, I accidently put it as @Epishade instead of @Eden. So you might want to reread if I'm correct about which post you are tlaking about. | ||
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So after reading everything, these are my reads: Town Epishade Yell0w Amiko Mafia Possibly Eden Mtamburini- I need more reads from him, and it is super weird how he is continuously pushing on Yell0w saying that Yell0w is grasping at things in order to seem not scummy. I feel tamburini is reading a lot into things that are not even there. Fenced Sqrt Sweet dfs- I like his reads when he finally expanded them, though at the beginning, he only gave one or two sentences to respond to my questioning of him until I pushed harder. So I'm keeping an eye on him. Meat | ||
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On April 29 2014 23:54 sqrtofneg1 wrote: Okay, it's morning now. After a brief read-through of the whole thread, this is what I've come up with. I've cleared bunnies, epishade, eden, yellow. Amiko came in, but left abruptly. He's more active in the other games. Possible scum. Tambo scum read, but stronger than amiko. Meat possibly town, he didn't talk much, but I think I'll chalk that up to first game. Rit & drav haven't talked enough for me to get a read on them. Dfs seems maf because of a little thing - he calls everybody scum until cleared, which is contradictory since he calls some people towny beforehand. Ash and frost haven't talked enough for me to get a read on them. Current reads: Tambo scum, Dfs possible scum, Amiko possible scum, Bunnies, eden, epishade, yellow town in that order. Okay, sqrt, seeing as you want to get conversation going, I'm going to address you here. I hve read through your filter, and I see you haven't contributed much the first pages. Then you come back, say you are going to dig a bit deeper, and these are the reads you give. I want to talk about a few of them. One: Why have you cleared yellow? You have stated you don't THINK he is mafia, and a few reasons why, but why is he absolutely cleared? You also claimed you liked what yell0w wrote in one of his posts. But that's all you said. What about Yell0w post did you specifically like? I see you have cleared amiko for talking more, but what about Amiko's reads do you like? Also, specifically what do you think about the pointing out of the interaction between me, Eden and Epishade? Why is tamburini a stronger scum read than Amiko? | ||
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@Sweetfrost: I want to point out to you that in no way I was defending the vote on you. Please reread what I posted. I was curious as to why my initial vote on Yell0w, given with reason as to why I thought he was scum, was scummy when eden was just throwing random votes left and right, and not getting called scum for it. I'm trying to find who the mafia are, and Eden, well, not sure what Eden was doing except maybe get conversation going. I think he could have gone about it a better way, but yeah. On April 30 2014 03:11 27ninjabunnies wrote: I want to also comment on this. I stated in previous post I was not defending your vote, you can read that for yourself. I don't see how I have been pushing guiltiness hard. I have claimed multiple times in this forum I pushed to get reads, and I got them. I even then went as far as changing my vote off of Yell0w. If I was pushing hard, don't you think my vote would still be on him? | ||
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On April 30 2014 04:57 Sweetfrost wrote: Well as I stated I suspect Bunny being scum for his efforts of trying very hard to build up a positive relationship with everyone. See my previous posts. As for the rest I'm very unsure and still don't want to give a public opinion on anyone since it would just be misleading, I don't have an opinion on the rest yet. So the only thing I'm willing to say right now is that I don't trust Bunny and Yellow. Also, you say you don't trust either me or Yell0w. Do you think Yell0w and I are mafia partners, and if so what has pointed you towards that direction? | ||
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On April 30 2014 05:06 Yell0w wrote: @bunnies He actually previously stated that you or me were mafia, but not both. Oh yes, I know, I read that. But he jst said that he doesn't trust either of us. hence my questioning to him. | ||
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What I want to know is which one he thinks is more scummy? Why? Also, the fact that sweet doesn't want to talk about anyone else puts me in suspicion. @Sweet- There have been many contributors to this conversation. Amiko, Ahs, Epishade, Eden, Tamburini, Sqrt. Can you give any reads on any of them from how they have talked, interacted, etc? | ||
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So yes, Eden silent voted in the vote forum, and never placed his vote here. I also want to point out he hasn't said anything since I answered him about tamburini and my suspect on him. | ||
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On April 30 2014 05:20 sqrtofneg1 wrote: {Possibly mafia. He pushed yellow first. His whole case against yellow is just strange. I don't like him. Actually I pushed Yell0w first. When I got off of Yell0w, tamburini jumped back on him What do you think about this? | ||
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On April 30 2014 05:26 ritoky wrote: Well I feel awkward right now, since from what I can tell my reads as of now are contrary to the vast majority of people. tamburini: I don't understand the majority of the hate in regard to tamburini. He declared himself the lead of the town with his first post, which you don't have to agree with and I certainly don't; but it places spotlight on him. From that post forward in the entire game he will be under a microscope, so either he is that confident in his scum play or has nothing to hide. As of now, I have no reason to believe he has anything to hide. I personally believe that if he is scum trying to insert himself into the leadership role that he will run himself into the ground eventually. However, what I don't get is why everyone dislikes his reason for voting on yell0w. Personally, with my read on yell0w, I think tamburini is mistaking scum for just bad play; but I wouldn't be opposed to lynching yell0w. To me, tamburini's point is that town should be concerned primarily with locating and lynching scum, and yell0w's primary concern was appearing town. Appearing to be town is mafia's job, not town's. epishade: I have red flags all around epishade, and have for a while. I don't really like many of his reads at all, but before that happened he was deflecting hard for yell0w and trying to kill conversation. There are 22 pages in this thread and a lot of it is predicated on the conversation that epishade didn't want to even happen. As I said earlier, his posts read more genuine and open which buy back some of the scum feel, but my gut says otherwise. bunnies: I have a fairly neutral read on bunnies as of now, leaning town. She is pushing discussion along, which increases the volume of information available (the opposite of what epishade was trying to do before) and to me is a town thing to do. I think what bunnies is doing is useful for town, which gives me a town read; but I am simply wary of people getting behind her on a BW, which will put her back toward neutral a bit for me until there's more to go off of. yell0w: For me, yell0w reads odd for me. Almost as if the game started at 50mph and yell0w was still going 30mph. I think his joke response was neither here nor there for me, but I liked his conviction in defending it when pressured. Then he seemed to be overly concerned with perception and since then has given a lot of info that is piggybacking off of someone else, so he is moving back down my list. Wouldn't be opposed to a lynch. sqrt: I don't know if it is a stylistic thing or what, but there's something weird here. Lots of prods, short comments, and question asking, not much in the way of legwork. Combine that with the lack of seriousness early on and it just strikes me as all very odd. I don't read him as projecting town in any way; whereas most other people I can read town aspects to what they do and say. So, you are putting me more neutral because of a BW lynch? I'm not trying to get a BW lynch going. A BW lynch didn't even happen. I unvoted, and then ttamburini, and now Eden, have voted on Yellow. So the idea of a BW lynch is irrelevant. Your reads, while have backing, are a bit odd to me, tbh. I'll need to hear fro you more. On April 30 2014 05:27 ritoky wrote: why couldn't it be epishade and yell0w? epishade was deflecting HARD for yell0w early on. However, I do like how you pointed this out. | ||
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On April 30 2014 05:45 ritoky wrote: No, you misread that. I think that everything you're doing is very town thus far, but from my pov you have a lot of people putting their ducks in a row behind you very early on; which is something I am simply wary of. When the majority of people start agreeing on a lot of what 1 person says early on it either means that town is very right, or being helped down a bad path. So while I like what you are doing and am leaning town on you, I am simply wary. That is all. And what of my reads don't you like? We have the opposite opinion, from what I can tell, of what tamburini did. And I think it will take quite a lot to make me get over how hard epishade was deflecting and setting himself up in a contrarian position. Sorry, let me explain. Your reads, while I think they are really good, just don't settle right in my gut. I could be wrong, and that's fine, hence why I think I need to get more of a read on you. I am not intentionally trying to lead town down a wrong road. I am pressuring and asking questions I think is relevant to finding the mafia hiding among this town. I agree that having people agree behind me makes me a little wary, but mafia can easily buss their partner, especially when they feel they can't dig him out of the hole he buried himself in. I'm not saying yell0w has done so, or is for sure mafia, but this is what I feel. and if so, it could be a epishade/yell0w team, if yell0w was mafia. Epishade hard defended, then pulled off his defense, as if he knew yell0w was going down. Again none of these reads are for sure, but speculation. | ||
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@Sweetfrost/Ritoky yes, I understand a gut read is something that people won't be behind. But I feel as if his reads are too good. Like perfect information good. And call me paranoid, cause I probably am. But it's scary how I pretty much agree with each of his reads, and yet he hasn't contributed much to the conversation until now with his interaction with Yell0w. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On April 30 2014 13:11 Amiko wrote: Catching up a little now before a late dinner and later bedtime @27ninjabunnies on Eden (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/447955-newbie-mini-mafia-lv?page=20#393) This isn't too important but it should be a quick clarification so I'd appreciate it if you did. Eden says you didn't fully answer his question ("What was your reaction test, and what did it teach you about the game state?") + Show Spoiler + On April 29 2014 11:55 Eden1892 wrote: That you're new to forum mafia and have a chip on your shoulder. This doesn't tell me anything about either of your alignments. You seem genuine enough so far, so I suppose it's not all bad. But you didn't really answer my question. Maybe we're not referring to the same thing. What was your reaction test, and what did it teach you about the game state? I think these are the only posts you made between Eden raising the point (that you didn't answer his question) and him giving you a townread: (1) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/447955-newbie-mini-mafia-lv?page=14#277 (2) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/447955-newbie-mini-mafia-lv?page=14#280 (3) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/447955-newbie-mini-mafia-lv?page=15#283 I think these posts answered the first part (what was your reaction test?). I don't feel you answered the second part (what did it teach you about the game state?). If you did, could you just quote it and bold the language for me? As an aside, I think your post @Epishade was directed to Epishade, not Eden as you said here (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/447955-newbie-mini-mafia-lv?page=20#393) unless I'm misunderstanding... thew post begins with you answering Epishade's scumread. Were you referring to another post? @ Amiko On April 29 2014 12:01 27ninjabunnies wrote: @Eden: I'm not sure why you think I have a chip on my shoulder. I know no one in this game besides tamburini. I know no one's play of their mafia or town style. What I am doing here is trying to get reads. My reaction testing was seeing how Yell0w responded to my questioning. I will point out exactly what I said to him. You can check the nested quotes. That was his only response to that. He gave no other reasoning as to why his read was contradicting. He avoided the question. So that was my reaction testing. As for my @Epishade post, it was directed to eden, but I messed up the names. Eden asked this And my response was this As for not answering the game state question, thank you for pointing that out, I actually didnt answer this. I must have looked over that question focusing on other things. I apologize. But as the game state has changed since then, imo, I shall nt revisit that, but I can elaborate on the game state now. | ||
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So are you saying he is scummy for calling me town, even if I didn't fully answer his question? I'm actually not entirely sure where this conversation stemmed from, or where you are trying to go with this questioning. Maybe I have missed something from your posts, and I apologize. It is pretty late, and I shall be hitting the bed soon. I know tomorrow, we need to make a lynch. Hopefully we will see more posts from the lurkers. As of now, I'll try and post here and there if need be. | ||
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On April 30 2014 14:19 Eden1892 wrote: When she told me that the vote wasn't part of the reaction test I decided her reaction test wasn't really worth looking at any further. It struck me as the prototypical "reaction test" inexperienced players tend to use, where they suspect someone already, press their suspect on a minor point and scumread the answer no matter what it is because of confirmation bias. I read her town at the time independent of that question and decided the question wasn't worth pursuing further, so I dropped it. Hahaha, this made me laugh. Inexperienced. Not in the slightest. It is a reaction test I have used many times and found mafia with it. It wasn't that I immediately suspected him. I found a flaw in his posts, pointed it out, and he reacted badly. I didn't scumread the answer no matter what as you put. I rescinded later in my read. But I got the read from it. | ||
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[b]Town[/b Amiko- he has presented multiple posts of logic on whom he thinks is scummy and town. I liked his reads on tamburini as town, although I did not agree with them. Amiko seems as if he is trying to figure out the game and find scum. Tamburini- So although I was reading him scummy at the beginning of the game, and him doing nothing to refute that, Im putting him in town because of the claim. As we have no counter claim (which I don't expect to get), our votes should be off of tamburini. I have a feeling that his claim will work itself out during the night. I also wouldnt place him a SK, the logic he presents just doesnt make sense as logic from SK. Ritoky- While This post by ritoky was weird, I am putting him as town. I did not find at all that most people thought sqrt was mafia, though maybe I was reading into people's reads wrong. However, ritoky, minus this read on sqrt, has reads similar to mine, so I believe he is town. ]Mafia Ahswinti- Gave this as a reason to vote tamburini, but basically he is sheeping off of Sweetfrost and Ritoky's reads, one of whom I find majorly scummy. I dont like that he hasnt contributed much to the game or anything, and would lynch him today in a heartbeat. However he did make a nice little summary post here Sweetfrost- I just really really don't like this guy. I mean, he calls both Yell0w and I scummy, then votes on sqrt? You scared brah? Sqrt was a weird and random vote, and I felt his vote could have been placed outside on me and yell0w on someone a lot scummier. Eden Fence Meat - This post by MEat made me laugh. Yes, definitely not tamburini's gf. However, I can see why he would sheep off of me. My reads are usually pretty good. However, I don't believe in the way tamburini is going, and therefore is why I pulled off of yellow. Meat, other than this post, hasnt really done much for me to place him as town or mafia, so he is fenced. Sqrt-ill explain reads on him later. ISh... Epishade- I like epishade's read on Sweet here. It is very weird how Sweet says that both Yell0w and I are scummy, but goes on to vote Sqrt, whom I havent really seen a reason of why we should vote on him. Dfs- I do like his reads he proved on the bottom of page 26, however that seems to be all he has contributed. Will look more into tomorrow Dravenor- Is it sad that I forgot he was in this game? I feel it should be. I also want to point out that here Yell0w claims he is going to be the one shot, even though tamburini didn't out his shot. I know tamburini has been putting pressure on yell0w, but yell0w, what is your reason on this? Do you think there is someone else that tamburini can shoot? Cause I feel that if you are getting lynched today, I'm prewtty sure he has another shot in mind. | ||
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On May 01 2014 16:22 dfs wrote: mtamburini's rolecall looks a lot like a desperation move to not get lynched today made too early. The only way we'll know if he is town is if he (or sk) dies, because there is a sk possibility. Who can kill him: Actual sk - will not be interested in killing someone who can be suspected as sk. Mafia - no reason for mafia to kill him if they have a roleblocker. Vig - mtamburini can only die tonight if is getting shot by (another) vig, but no one called it yet, which is weird. I don't see any outcome where he would get cleared as town the next day if he survives, or be of any use untill day 3. If he is an sk - he will be able to do a lot of damage to town. If he is vig - he will not be useful until day 3. He can even be mafia who gambled that vig would not call him out. (which is kinda stupid admitedly) mtamburini with this rolecall put himself in a position where he can't be useful to town untill much later, because of all the suspicion of being sk he raised. There is also a possibility that vig is nt claiming that way they can shoot tamburini at night without the chance of getting roleblocked, if tamburini's claim is false. That would be the strategy I would use if I wa actual vig, and tamburini was not. | ||
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Also, as a video mafia player, you usually dont claim who you are going to shoot for the reason that mafia could possibly double stack with you and cover your shot. For example, if I were mafia, and tamburini claimed he was going to shoot yell0w in the night, if yell0w was town, I could just kill yell0w in the night, making it seem like mafia were the only ones who shot, not the vigi, which gives mafia the advantage of lynching the vigi the next day. So him not claiming who he is shooting also makes sense to me. | ||
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Of course this is all on the basis that tamburini is the vigi and not the serial killer, the latter seemingly more unlikely by how I've seen tamburini play. Tamburini is town here, and everyone who votes on him is a scumbag. (Or more likely mafia). We need to find a mafia outside of tamburini today, and we only have a few hours to do so. I like Amiko's points on Sweetfrost, they line up with mine a bit. Sweetfrost to me hasnt contributed much to this game besides trying to make it seem like I am scummy, without giving straight reasons to as why, and then votes on someone totally different whom most people havent even considered looking at. Some may fine this townie, but I find this as his attempt at seeming townie, and then possibly blitzing at last moment to vote on someone who is town and get them lynched since the votes are so spread out right now. So I definitely need to hear more from Sweetfrost. | ||
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[QUOTE]On May 02 2014 04:59 27ninjabunnies wrote: I honestly don't think that tamburini should out his shot.[/QUOTE] Oh yes before the end of night 1, I agree. however right now, no. For this reason, mafia can't double stack on his kill if they don't know who it is. | ||
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Which means we have two roles still alive (and this is what I am stating as a possibility). I feel bad about voting him off, but then again, he had done nothing to try and sway our votes off of him. Even as just a vt, you'd think he's fight to the death (I know I would). Tamburini, I suggest to you that you claim your night kill closer towards the end of the night, that way mafia can't blitz at last second if they do not have a role blocker. Also, I'm going to reread Sweet's filter to find anything that stands out, and anyone who had addressed him. I hope I'll have something substantial to give to town after I read. | ||
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On May 02 2014 09:55 sqrtofneg1 wrote: @Bunnies, how was your finals? How do you feel about being able to talk at night? Okay, serious question now. If you were vigi, who would you kill, other than yellow? Would it be a kill for information, or would it be a kill in an attempt to catch mafia? Finals were good. glad they are over. It's amazing cause I get to study abroad next semester. Talking at night isn't too bad. I like that we get to discuss the lynch, possible lynches for next day, etc. Plus it gives the possible night kills a chance to get their reads in before they die. If I were vigi, I would kill, other than yellow, possibly Epishade or Eden or Meat. I can elaborate on these reads in a bit after I finish packing so I can quote things and give reasons as to why. You always shoot to kill mafia, not find information, so I find your question very odd. You want as much town as possible, because multiple town is better than mafia overrunning town. So I'd shoot whoever I find the most scummy. Because that would give more information that shooting a town. | ||
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On May 02 2014 10:10 sqrtofneg1 wrote: I mean, someone might look really scummy, but there might be someone who's been acting strangely (like tambo). If I were vigi, I'd kill tambo. It would wield the most information. I honestly don't think killing the vigi would reap the most information. For one, tamburini declared himself as leader, gave few reads, and then outed as vigi. You have nothing really to go off of what he had done besides the people pushing to lynch him. Plus you reduce town KP, even though vigi is pretty much mafia sided anyway. Sqrt, how many games of mafia have you played? | ||
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On May 02 2014 10:14 sqrtofneg1 wrote: Well, if I were vigi, tambo is highly unlikely vigi. As for the amount of mafia games, do you mean here on team liquid? This is my third team liquid game, and aside from that, I've only played irl mafia. I've played irl mafia for about 4 years now, I think. Okay, so you know a bit about mafia. True, if you were vigi, tambo would highly unlikely be vigi, unless the host decided to put two vigis in (which to me seems a little op). But why bring this point up sqrt? What do you have to gain from this questioning, unless you are the actual vigi? | ||
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On May 02 2014 10:18 sqrtofneg1 wrote: Just curious to see who your kills would be. Okay, so you claim your kill would be tamburini. Let's say hypothetically you were not vigi. And somehow you magically have a gun. Why would you shoot the possible only vigi within the game? Give me your reasons. | ||
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On May 02 2014 10:30 sqrtofneg1 wrote: I asked: if you were vigi, not if you magically had a gun. If you were vigi, it's really unlikely that tambo isn't vigi. So I would shoot him. To see if he's SK, or mafia. You are not answering my question. Unless you are vigi, you dont have a gun. So Im magically giving you one. Now, answer my question. | ||
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On May 02 2014 11:35 mtamburini wrote: Gamblers fallacy, there can be more than one of the same role in this game. Oh yes, I know this. I think it would be op to have 2 vigis, but it is possible. Sqrt's questioning is just throwing me off. | ||
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On May 02 2014 17:10 ahswtini wrote: Why are you so fixated on fantastical scenarios like people magically having guns? Are you trying to get a list of suspicious townies that would-be vigs would want to shoot, so the scum know who not to target tonight? No basically the reason why I questioned it was because it seemed as sqrt was softing vigilante. As if his shot was going to be on tamburini. His questioning was weird to me. So I asked if he wasn't vigilante, but had a gun, would he still shoot tamburini? This gives me a read of whether or not he would take a chance to shoot the vgi, or try and hit mafia outside of tamburini in order to find information. | ||
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Are you trying to find out who you and your mafia partners should kill tonight? | ||
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I'd also look at dravenor/Epishade/Meat during the day if i were to die. Thats all I can give right now. | ||
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However I will post that tamburini is more than likely vigi here, and that he was actually roleblocked. Which means any claims should not be outed until you have a for sure mafia (i'm directing this at cop, if we have one) I felt as if either amiko or I would most likely die, because of how active we have both been within forums. I think there is enough suspicion on me therefore amiko died over me. Therefore I would definitely look over amiko's reads, and see if anything comes of it. (Though this will be done tomorrow) I still don't like Sqrt, and would lynch him today with no problem. | ||
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So here's what we are looking at at the moment. If tamburini got roleblocked, there are two roleblockers in this game, possibly town and mafia. I doubt they would put two mafia rbs or two town rbs. Now, I say this for this reason, I got roleblocked last night. I am neither confirming or denying I am an actual role, I'll leave that up for mafia to decide. However, if town roleblocker roleblocked me, you are an idiot. If mafia roleblocked me, prepared to get wrecked. Also, if town roleblocker blocked mtamburini, you still are an idiot. If mafia roleblocked him, well, still prepare to get wrecked. Now talk over this while I read over the last few pages. | ||
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Then again, I''m not sure how jailer works in forums. It's different in epicmafia and video mafia. | ||
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Come on, get real. So I do admit, I haven't been posting as much today due to just leaving my campus, and I'm headed home tomorrow So I'll definitely be able to post more. And lynching me because I went on yell0w, got pretty GREAT reads, enough too possibly get roleblocked by mafia. COME ON TAMBURINI! GET REAL. Anyway, my point is, I didn't think to check my pms because I thought I'd either die in the night, or someone would come out the next day and push on me to make meseem scummy... If I was mafia, I'd do a WAY better play than this, and I wouldn't have been defending you tamburini, if you are actual vigi. You can read me pretty well, and I'd try to get you out of the game asap. I came out with the roleblock claim as soon as I realized I was blocked. And I did it for the reason that tamburini had also claimed he was roleblocked. THIS IS INFORMATION TOWN NEEDS. Because I didn't realize the actual role of the jailer, I didn't know it could be a possible jailer scenerio on me, and for that I am sorry. But if there are 2 roleblockers, 1 for mafia, 1 for town, this is information we could use to our advantage. So, from just my claim we already know one thing, that is if tamburini is truly vig, and was roleblocked. One scenerio is that if tamburini IS vigi, and he was roleblocked, and I was roleblocked, too,(which I was) that means I cannot be a roleblocker. So you have that information, now run wild with it. | ||
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On May 04 2014 17:07 Eden1892 wrote: bunnies: What is your opinion on my case on sqrt and Epishade? Ummmm, let me read up on that and get back to you. I'm at a friends' house, so I'm just checking in. Hopefully I'll have one big post for all of you tomorrow. Also, someone CC me, I dare you. Watch me wreck you into the ground. | ||
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But I really have wanted to get sqrt today anyway. So my vote will be going on him. I'll be way more active in the night, and give my reads. I've been super suck leading town today, but super busy with leaving college for the summer!!! ##Vote: Sqrtofneg1 | ||
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On May 03 2014 11:18 sqrtofneg1 wrote: #1 That's how I play. Look at the other games I've played in. (the previous 2 newbie mini mafia games) #2 Haha no. If anything, Epishade is in bunnies' pocket. #3 Well, do you expect me to cry over something that's over? What's done is done. We mislynched. #4 Well, that's your read. I know that it's wrong. I'm not mafia. #2 is a stupid point. I don't even like epishade. And you have done very little to contribute to town, besides asking weird questions that basically go nowhere. | ||
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Tamburini, you shoot me and you will be making a terrible mistake!!! Also, it sucks we lynched a town. However, it is good that we still have power roles still in play here. Now that I'm home, I'm going to read over things and make a post incase I die tonight. | ||
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On May 03 2014 03:11 dravernor wrote: Also, bunnies is coming across as so incredibly town that I am not sure it is genuine. Yes, this is a jump back on my previous decision about her, but only because she has been unfaltering recently to a degree that I am wondering if she is just REALLY good at blending in?. So, being town read is scummy? I agree that I have been faltering in reads and such, but blending in, no. So on the lynch of sqrt, I ffelt as if he didn't contribute much. He gave a few sentences, asked weird questions, like "If you were mafia who would you kill", and asked everyone's reads and barely gave his own. However I do like how he was looking hard on ahs. I feel as if mafia are the outliers, and ones who haven't talked much or contributed to town. Definitely look at Ahs, Dravenor, dfs, and Meat in the day. Dravenor has been making god posts recently in day 2. I forgot dfs was even in the game. And Meat comes back after a 2 day ban, and basically has NOTHING to say? PULEEZ. Get it together. If you are town, show us why you are town. I also feel as mafia could have a strong player in their midst, so don't rule out Eden or Epishade as mafia. I'd go with Eden more mafia than Epishade. I really think tamburini is the vigi here, and hopefully he gets a shot off in the night. We have in our favor that no prs have been killed off yet, so we have possible cop for tomorrow, if he has a red check for sure. @Ritoky, you have claimed multiple times that Epishade was in my pockets. Why do you think so? @Meat- what are your suspicions n epishade? | ||
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I wanna say that since Ritoky brought up the idea of jailkeeper, and that I could have been blocked by the JK, then I'm asuming he was the one wh blocked/saved me. So if mystery AND tamburini got blocked as well, then we are looking at a town and mafia roleblocker left. | ||
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On May 06 2014 11:42 mtamburini wrote: I didnt get role blocked Bunnies you prob got roleblocked by ritoky IMO I choose not to shoot last night just in case we are in Lylo today and I mis shoot and lose the game. The fact that I didnt get roleblocked makes me wonder why not get roleblocked OR died in the night. There are more important roles I guess to roleblock like parity cop SO basically you suck, and we dont know whether or not you are actual vigi. Thanks tamburini! | ||
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I will try and post more actively in the night. Yes, it is super weird that tamburini did not get roleblocked tonight, and meat did (if meat'sclaim is actually legitimate.) I think the lynches for today are between Epishade, dfs, dravenor, and ahs | ||
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Why?! Someone tell me this- because I have this scene in my head where mafia conversed, said not to kill/roleblock tamburini, and have one of their mafia partners claim to be roleblocked instead to seem townie.... That's my scenerio. And If I'm correct, I want to lynch Meat soooo hard today... And I'm trying not to jump in this submarine. So, I like Eden, I feel as if he is looking into the game well, giving his reads, and trying to scum hunt. Tamburini, if we lynch mafia today you must shoot. Meat, I'd like to hear more from you. Why do you think you got roleblocked? Because I was for sure not reading you as town. Also, if we have a parity cop, you come out today with this information 1.) Two people alive with same alignment 2.) Two people alive with different alignment 3.) 1 dead and 1 alive with same alignment (only if it is on someone we are reading super scummy) 4.) 1 dead and 1 alive with different alignment. I believe the order of importance for this information is 4, 2, 1, 3. I need more conversation from dfs and davenor today. Ahs was coming out a little bit more with reads, but I am still iffy. Yellow, I'm pretty sure is town this game. Epishade, I'd still feel he might be a very good player leading mafia, but is town for now, but not out of the water yet. Come on people, converse. We only have one day! | ||
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Speak dude. | ||
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So fr off the table today we have me, tamburini, and mystery. So unvote him, or I vote you. | ||
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Okay, so it's weird where the votes are placed right now. What if it's a meat/eden/epi team? Bleh.... I'm just gonna keep my vote where it is, and hope for the best. | ||
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Or he has actual good checks and just being a donkey. And I'm not terrible reading people. Dravenor hasn't done much for town this game besides lurking, blitz voting, etc. If we lose, so be it. I realize this is a newbie game, but seriously. | ||
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What if he is town pr? And hw am I terrible town? What has tamburini done but put doubt in many people's mind on whether or not he is actual vigi. Yeah, I agree Yell0w, so we have ml town this entire game. If I was mafia, I'd be one kickass mafia. Which is why this game pisses me off. haha. And inactivity does sometime lead to mafia. Which is why I'm okay with this lynch. | ||
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GET REKT MAFIA So i might die tonight, js. | ||
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So here is who I would shoot. I would shoot between Ahs, dfs, and Eden, in that order. I can give information as to why but I'm mostly using process of elimination. Obviously, if you are vigi, you and I are town. I find Epishade and Eden more townie than not though I am wary that one of them might be a very good mafia scum leading more noobish mafia team, however, I wouldn't shoot them just yet. If you weren't blocked in the night, more or less we must believe meat's claim, or atleast for now. So he is off the table until tomorrow. Yell0w, although while I was initially d1 scumreading because of how he was trolly and claimed mafia, I believe he is town as he has been trying to figure out the game. Good luck gentlemen. | ||
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On May 09 2014 03:19 MysteryMeat1 wrote: 4 hours till im dead I honestly don't see how you are going to die over me and tamburini? | ||
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Actually, it wasnt a super bad play to do that, but that totally fucked with my mind this game. Most of my reads were based on him being vigi. I'm gonna have t take a step back a reassess some things. I'll make a post within the next couple of hours. I'm guessing, if no one else got roleblocked, that tamburini got roleblocked within the night. But that's a good thing then, because if we have a parity cop, they have checks. If not, well then, guess straight reads it is. This is a lylo situation people! | ||
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On May 09 2014 10:53 MysteryMeat1 wrote: @bunnies, why would you roleblock the person you were going to kill? Because,if you roleblock the vigi, he can't get a shot off, which means who he was going to shoot is mafia. And the fact tamburini said he wasnt going to claim his shot until next day, mafia probably couldn't take that chance and would roleblock him, but apparantly that read is wrong if you were roleblocked. . | ||
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I thought I was gonna die in the night because I;m nt being protected by the jailer anymore | ||
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On May 09 2014 22:40 ahswtini wrote: What do you think of the fact that mtamburini our fake vig wasn't roleblocked on the second night, where he was almost certainly going to shoot yellow. That, for me, is good enough proof that he's town. However, I'm getting more and more worried about bunnies. Her quality of play has dropped off dramatically since the first day. As a high priority target, I would have expected her to die already. Yes, Mafia probably thought she was being protected, but consider the possibility that she successfully fooled all of us, especially the jailer, into believing she is supertown, so that it wouldn't look weird for her to still be alive after three nights. She has never pushed me that hard either, despite how easy it would be to, and again I think that's because there's simply no need for her to get involved when the town are already on the case. With regards to my voting behaviour yesterday, I think you'll find that I DID initially put my vote on mysterymeat, but he convinced me to unvote in favour of killing drav or dfs. Just because I was arguing for meat and dfs to die doesn't mean I can't be persuaded to vote for someone else. I didn't vote dfs because I would have been the only vote, and I was criticised before for making an "outlier" vote. I called drav out to make a post, and her post didn't reassure me of her alignment at all. I also voted drav to make sure the scum team couldn't make a last minute vote blitz onto meat, on the off chance that he WAS innocent. I agree my play has dropped significantly, but so has everyone else's. Exactly how many pages of filter have you contributed compared to mine? Also, exactly how many pages have we gained since last night when I posted? 0. 0 freaking pages. While I get this is a newbie game, I'm not going to work my ass off and annoy everyone with post after post of me. I've been trying to get people to talk, especially you. I have asked you multiple times for your reads and contributions and you have barely given anything. Yes, I could have easily gone on you, but after my initial push on yell0w, which whom many thought I was scummy for doing so, I decided not to just tunnel on one person. I'm just as surprised as yu are that I have not died yet, and it's probably because of this reason here. Some mafia is going to try and push a ml on me, trying to make town paranoid. Well buddy, it's not going to work. So convince me why you are not the lynch today. | ||
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So my scum lynches for today would be dfs first, followed by ahs, then Eden/Meat (the latter two being my paranoid voting.) I have work tonight, so I'm going ahead and voting now. ##Vote:Dfs | ||
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On May 10 2014 00:12 ahswtini wrote: Oh wow so we're going by post count now? What happened to the aggressive enthusiastic posting you displayed at the beginning? Should we not be looking at the change in posting behaviour, as opposed to simply how many posts someone's made? I don't understand your newbie game line either. Are you saying you're not putting your 100% into this game because this is a newbie game? Still waiting for your post. Right now, your play just seems reactionary. I don't know if establishing yourself as the most innocent player in everyone's eyes has given you a sense of complacency. You're never going to get lynched, so if you ARE mafia, then well played. I don't like saying "I told you so". As for why I shouldn't be lynched, I'm trying to post and contribute. It's just so difficult to pin down a scum read on anyone at this point. I suspect dfs, but then Mafia were happy to let mtamburini shoot him or myself. That is, if meat's roleblock claim is to be believed. I can't understand why he would be blocked again. Maybe they saw how much town reacted with suspicion to his first roleblock. But there was also the delay before he came out with his roleblock claim. Was he waiting to see if someone else would claim first, or does he just not check his PMs? This sounds cliched, but if I get lynched, we lose, and I like I said before, I don't like saying "I fucking told you so" I have said why my post count dropped. College ended, headed back home, work. RL stuff. On top of that, I was contributing a lot, asking questions, trying to push lynches, even though they were wrong, and barely anyone else was doing anything besides Eden, Epi, and Tamburini. There is always a possibility of me being lynched, but yes, I think I've proven that I am town. Tamburini could have been lying about being roleblocked, as he was lying about being vigi, but I don't think so. | ||
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On May 10 2014 12:04 Eden1892 wrote: Do you think restating my argument back to me in the form of a skeptical question is going to dissuade me? Yes, I think so. If he's wrong then he loses the game, plain and simple. It's entirely reasonable to predict that the mafia would predict he wouldn't shoot as a result and would choose not to roleblock him. Look at the consequences of it, meat is clearing you 100% and no one but me seems willing to lynch you as a result. It's a risky play but it's not at all unreasonable. Your handwaving dismissal is doing a lot to confirm its truth to me. While that is a good theory, tamburini didnt come out with the read until after he claimed that he no shot because of that reason. I honestly don't think that Yell0w or mafia could predict that tamburini would/wouldnt shoot that night. This is a newbie game (well newbie-ish game). I'm pretty sure mafia was betting on tamburini mis-shooting and winning them the game. Too bad they didn't take into account he could be fake claiming. | ||
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Meat, I would like your reads and where you are at this game with it. I also read through Dfs' filter. So we lynched another scum. I'm thinking that dfs didn't scum read any of his partners in his, so I'm looking at the ones he mainly avoided or gave more of a town read on. So Eden, Epishade, and Ahs are on my list. He went really hard on Meat and Yell0w in his reads, so I'm willing to let them pass for another day. Plus Meat with his push on dfs, and role reading, I'm pretty sure Meat would not take a chance on losing a partner. So we have to assume there are 2 mafia left. My FOS would be Eden and Ahs first, Epishade/Ahs. I just don't see a Epishade/Eden team here, but will need to look over their filters a bit more before I fully come to that conclusion. The Ahs vote on me is just weird, and I don't see where he came up with that vote and why. | ||
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On May 11 2014 12:30 MysteryMeat1 wrote: So i should have explained this before the dfs was lynched. But w/e So like 2-3 days ago i claimed that dfs was the ledge. Based on intuition and analyzing his posting style i was like 100% sure he was the ledge. So with this in mind i ended up setting up a potential two part trap to catch the other mafia. This occured when dravernor was getting lynched. I put a lot of pressure on lynching dfs, and tried to see who would vote for him and who wouldn't. The resulting situation occured. Ahs finally convinced that i would not be lynched, ended up switch his vote. However i told him to vote for dfs, because he believed that both dfs and I were def scum. I told him that we would could agree to vote on dfs instead of dravernor. Ahs ends up rejecting my offer without any explanation switches his vote to dravernor. From this i concluded that dfs was indeed a role, and that ahs was mafia. The fact that ahs did not want to vote for dfs meant that he was an important role. Epishade iirc was willing to vote for dfs and then switched his vote to dravernor. Eden on the other hand told everyone to ignore yell0w but not me iirc. Seems kind of odd because i was pushing for dfs a lot harder than yell0w. The reason that eden pushed for yell0w was because he is an easier lynch target. So anyway i spend the whole day putting a ton of pressure on dfs cause im like 100% certain he's the ledge. This leads to mtamb gettign shot. Why would mtamb get shot? Sure you can argue that he was vigi it would be best to kill him. But his town leading powers aren't even that great. As a mafia the best thing to do would , be roleblock tamb and kill a town that was on the right case. However tamb had posted that he wasn't going to shoot me, yell0w, and i don't think he would have shot bunnies. That leads to him hitting a mafia and getting us a mislynch which would have been used to determine if epi or eden were mafia. So the reason that mtamb gets shot is becuase dfs is the ledge. Dfs was on the scum hunting radar, and got lynched today really easily. if they had left the vigi alive he would have gotten a shot off. So by mtambs death last night, i confirmed that dfs was the ledge and mafia in my mind. The second part of the trap was the fake roll block. The first roleblock claim was true on the night that mtamb should have shot yell0w but didn't (cause he wasn't vigi). The second roleblock claim was false. Yesterday i was not roleblocked. The town would have been skeptical of my roleblock but only a mafia would try to call me out as 100% false. The reason is that because the first roleblock was true they could only try to put suspicion on me but the second roleblock was false. Its none other than dfs that blatantly calls me out. No offense to dfs, but i don't think he is a strong enough mafia player to claim that it was 100% false unles he knew that it was becasue he was mafia. Even bunnies and epishade who imo play better mafia could only say that my claim was weird. So dfs gets put on the lynch block, and everyone is like aight, i feel this. And guess who ends up being really unhappy with the lynch? Ahs and eden. Ahs, says some stuff, that while i was reading a while ago seemed very contracdictory. At this point in the game, i think i've figured out all of the power roles on both sides of town and mafia. I think this game is pretty much over. so tomorrow we lynch ahs and then we lynch Eden. Dammmnnn those plays... | ||
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So I like Meat's reads. My Votes were going to be between Eden, Ahs, and Epishade today anyway. | ||
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I want everyone to give their top 2 lynches for the day. Yell0w, you were talking a lot the first couple of days, but have recently slacked off very much. I've let you go this long without being lynched even though you claimed mafia, why should I continue doing so? Ahs, meat had a super good read on the roleblocker, and thnks you are mafia, then Eden. Why should we not lynch you and lynch Eden instead? Epishade: Why is Ahs more scummy tthan Eden? Eden: You won't vte on either me or Epishade, but Why Yell0w over Ahs? | ||
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On May 13 2014 08:03 Eden1892 wrote: Some more thoughts: - I went back and looked at the dfs lynch. The only outlier at day's end aside from dfs himself was ahswtini voting for 27ninjabunnies. Check the votes today, and ahswtini, with a far better chance of getting bunnies lynched... is voting for me, and not commenting on bunnies at all. Please. I'm not sure how he would have a better chance at getting me lynched over you. Please explain that. But saying that, there is a high possibility that mafia voted for their partner(s). I'd much rather lynch Eden this game than Ahs.. | ||
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On May 13 2014 12:19 Eden1892 wrote: The clearest explanation for ahswtini's sudden shift, in my opinion, is that the idea that we're lynching between ahs and me works out well for ahs. town!ahs, after having stated explicitly that bunnies is the top suspect, would be back to pushing on bunnies today instead of dropping it completely without any explanation, or at least would make some sort of effort to explain the change of heart on bunnies's guilt. scum!ahs, assuming I'm right and there are four mafia left, is quite content to make it a lynch between ahs and me, knowing only one more mislynch is necessary to get the win. scum!ahs is content with this because ahs's teammate will vote to kill me as well, and all the mafia need is one town player to misstep and vote me for it to be all over with. I think the mafia team are clearly ahswtini and Yell0w. I don't think Epishade wants Yell0w today, so in order to make this work... ##UNVOTE ##VOTE ahswtini Why would there be four mafia left? We have lynched 2. | ||
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Meaning 1 ml will lead to mafia winning. We HAVE to hit mafia here. | ||
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I'm not going to let that happen. So because I am going to be at work when the vote concludes, I think scum is between Ahs and Yell0w. ##Vote:Ahs | ||
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On May 13 2014 23:51 ahswtini wrote: And so you think it's me, because I'm the one acting on the fact that your activity has dropped? I hope to god there's only one mafia left, because then you guys still have a chance. No, I stated previously why I thought you were scum You acting on the fact that my activity dropped has nothing to do with myvoting you. | ||
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Paranoid mode activated. Atleast now we know for sure there are only 3 mafia and not 4. Which mean final 3 is going to have some fun, whoever they are. | ||
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Tbh, it has to be one of epishade/eden. The only case that i have against yellow is thr he blatantly claimed mafia, though he said it was of joking. Yell0w did push on a mafia lynch, though he could have been bussing to seem town, but that is highly unlikely. I just dont know which one out of epishade/eden it is | ||
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Well atleast I now know it can't be both of you. No, i am not parity cop. Just a worshipper of the almighty helix. Okay, Here's what I want. I want you to name your top fos. Then I want you to give your case as to why. I also want you to give a case on the other person, even if you don't fos them. I will do the same, and then we shall discuss. Sounds good? And break! | ||
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I want to be sure where to place my vote. So yes, I'm going to go through each filter, I'll post in the morning though. As for now, bed time. | ||
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First I want to address the yell0w thing. I went super hard on yell0w day 1 for his joking claim of mafia. With much of town backing me on day 1, if I was mafia there, wouldn't I have kept on pushing to get an easy ml? No, instead I pulled off of yell0w and cleared him as town, and then stayed off of him the rest of the game, when I could have had easy ml on him there. It was then tamburini who tried to get a bw going on yell0w, in which I did not follow. I believe it is super beneficial to talk during the night. For one, you are able to get reads from people who are more likely to die in the night. I agree it is super weird that I lasted this long. Hell, if I were one of you (whichever one is town), I'd put suspicion on me too for that. I think the reason why I am alive in the final 3 right now is due to this: My posts have been lacking the last couple of days-which I have admitted to multiple times, and have given my reasons for- and because in the night I said that yell0w was most town and I didn't know which one out of epishade and eden it was. Here, I was hoping it was actually yell0w as mafia, and either, 1 yell0w would kill off epishade and expect me to go on eden, or I wouldn't have to play final 3. (I was hoping for the latter). Unfortunately for me, I was right on it being one between Eden/Epishade (something I've had a suspicion on all game). Also, Epishade, I disagree with you on the Eden can't be mafia because his posts are well thought out and methodological. I have been in games where I have posted multitudes of reads, explanations, and thoughts which made me seem townie, but I was in fact mafia. It is a great mafia play, and I'm not willing to let eden slide just because his posts hold substance and it seems as if he is trying to figure out the game. So, Eden, I'm glad you brought up the reads that dfs and dravernor typed over their days here, and I was actually going to use them on my case against you. So for dravernor, he put high suspicion on me and Epishade for most of his reads, but then you just get fenced the entire time. You were pretty much avoided in both Dravernor's and Dfs reads,, and I feel as that is usually a mafia play to ignore one of their partners completely. As for me asking cases on both of you, I want to see if there is any connection you place between yourself and the mafia we have lynched. I find it odd that Eden basically bws the vote on me after epishade thinks its most likely me. I would also like to point out some of the votes. I basically led the lynch on dravernor. Also, Eden and Epishade both voted for dravernor and dfs (though it took more time for Eden to vote on either than it did Epishade). Also, I don't think it's Epishade here (which I'll explain more in my later post). When the vote was being led on Dravernor, Epishade was voting for dfs. If Epishade was mafia here, I think he would try to vote on someone outside of his partners, not bus both of them, so therefore my top case will most likely be on Eden. I'll state my cases on each of you in my next post, but there's somethings to think about. | ||
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Eden- Tbh- Eden was pretty town d1. His push on yell0w wasn't too hard to seem scummy, but it wasn't too soft ether. He gave reasonings that were actually pretty good. His switch onto tamburini was weird, even if tamburini was serial killer. His reasonings were too. + Show Spoiler + On May 01 2014 11:51 Eden1892 wrote: You're not assessing this properly. Take a look at my incentives with each alignment. Town: I want to kill the serial killer and the mafia if I believe both to be in the game. I think mtamburini is fakeclaiming as serial killer because his claim only makes sense in the scenario I described in my big post. He's just making himself the n1 kill if he's actually the vigilante, which is colossally stupid. It's better for me to kill the serial killer over a mafia because removing the serial killer takes away 1 of the 2 anti-town kp. If I killed, say, Yell0w and he flipped scum, we've caught a mafia, but we're equally close to winning (as in either case we've killed 1 anti-town player), and we still have 2 anti-town kp instead of one to deal with. The serial killer is always the better kill. Mafia: I can just shoot mtamburini tonight without drawing any attention to myself if I think he's actually the vigilante. If I'm mafia and I come out with this big case saying that the vigilante is actually the serial killer, and I don't get him lynched, I'm getting shot that night. If I do get him lynched, I'm getting myself lynched the next day. In both cases I'm needlessly throwing away my life to get rid of a vigilante I could just shoot that night at no cost. You could also, as mafia shoot the serial killer, because serial killer always has the chance of shooting your mafia partners. However, that is neither here nor there. The fact that Eden doesn't even bring up the possibility ofa roleblocker makes me think that he is more town in this instance. As for votes, I realize some inconsistancies from what my previous post said. Eden did infact vote dfs at one point, which means votes can't be really used in this scenerio. Each one of us voted for dfs and dravernor at one point, which means whoever is mafia out of you two bussed your partners. Eden scum reads both mafia all days that he gives his reads. That is some major bussing there if he is mafia. Eden's posts are actually consistant with finding mafia. So my read has flipped. Epishade is probably the mafia out of you two. Epishade So the only thing that Epishade has going for him is that he was townread by basically the entire town, including me and Eden, though Eden was iffy on him at one point, but switched his read on him. Also, ritoky, (something Eden pointed out in one of his reads) is really sure that epishade is mafia here. Not sure if it is something fully we need to look at. But... where from there? ashwtini/dravernor/dfs makes three. I think that trio makes Epishade look bad in conjunction with the n2 kill (ritoky was really solid on Epishade being scum The fact that Dravernor and dfs were both mafia here, puts pretty high suspicion on Epishade. Meat also died in the night, and had a scumread on Epishade, dravernor, and dfs as the mafia trio. SO for me, it seems as mostly the data points to epishade here. Also, someone pointed out, that epishade and I seemed to be buddying. Either epishade jumped in my pocket, or my into his. I think it's the latter because of how townie I was reading him, and the fact I think he is mafia. I find it weird here that Epishade puts dravorner as neutral read, and votes yellow. So epishade reads: Had Dravernor as slight town d1, gave no read on dfs except that he talked a bit.Scum reads on and off on dfs and dravernor in the following days Both of you are fantastic players (definitely not newbie, especially if Eden's playing in that champions game haha), and for whoever is mafia, I commend you on a job well done. I am town here, is the best I can say. If anyone has any questions feel free to ask ##Vote: Epishade | ||
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On May 16 2014 02:09 Eden1892 wrote: That's pretty easy. Epishade is obviously town because dravernor and dfs kept insisting he was mafia all the time. There's no way the mafia just openly discredit their frontman so frequently and consistently. So Epishade is definitely town. Then you can make a reasonable case against both of us because dravernor and dfs weren't super-committal in their positions on either of us, but I come out a decent but not incredible amount ahead because dravernor and dfs spent a lot of time subtly discrediting me and townreading/supporting you. Again, mafia don't openly discredit their frontman, and they tend to avoid subtly throwing doubt on the frontman, too. It's easy once the frontman is lynched just to go "Oops, he seemed town, I misread him" and move on. There's plenty of scum-sided motivation to townread the frontman, very little to discredit the frontman whether openly or subtly. That doesn't really address my concern though. You even called me out for "bandwagoning" you (which clearly isn't the case, I laid out my logic and it's distinct from Epishade's), but you haven't made a substantial argument either way yet. Every response that goes by without your own casework solidifies in my mind the idea that you're the last mafia and you're trying to feel out both of us by getting us to write cases before you decide who you want to try to kill. I disagree here, just because dravernor and dfs insisted he was mafia, they could have easily been bussing. We all have voted on dfs and dravernor, which means one of you bussed them, so that point is invalid. | ||
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I don't know what else to say, other than I've given my reads, in which many cleared me for as town. It sucks that I'm going to get lynched for the lack of my posts lately because real life got in the way, but this is freaking ridiculous!!! As for the ritoky read, I posted that after ritoky died. Ritoky was the one that brought up "Bunnies, it could have meant you were the jailed by the jailkeeper". And then WHEN ritoky died, and only when ritoky died that I drew the conclusion that he was the one who roleblocked me. And yes, I didn't die because of the fact I was being protected by jailkeeper, I'm sure I would have if I wasn't being protected! But I'm seriously town here. The fact that both of you were reading me as town for most of the game, Eden and Epishade clearing me basically on day 1, just seems like a pocket. But whatever, if I can't convince you guys otherwise, then gg, mafia wins. | ||
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As a last hope to not get ml here. I immediately begin the game with questioning tamburini, sqrt, and yell0w, the three who immediately start talking and ping out others. Two of them I called scum, tamburini and yell0w. Tamburini for declaring himself as town leader, and yell0w for his contradictions and claiming he was mafia (even if it was jokingly). I got off of yell0w for the reasons that, 1, no one wanted to back me up on it (Though Edenclaimed that it was a townie thing for me to do, epishade scum read me) and 2, when I did get off of yell0w, tamburini wanted to immediately jump on yell0w, which I thought was scummy until his vigi claim. Then when I got off of yell0w, Eden immediately voted for someone else, yet apparently my going on yell0w for an actual read was scummy but Eden going on Sweetfrost for no reason at all wasn't? That was bull shit. Epishade also thought I was attacking him at one point early in day 1, which I was not. Epishade seemed pretty defense when all I was asking for was his reasoning and reads. I also want to point out that I pointed out the silent vote (well near the same time yell0w did) that eden had placed. Another thing for epishade, he tried to get the conversation pulled away from yell0w. At the time, I thought maybe it was due to yell0w being his partner, but now that yell0w flipped town, I'm assuming it was a mafia trying to seem townie so that when he flipped town, he could gain credibility. A lot of conversation in the night were between I and sqrt, giving off reads and such. So other than me trying to figure out wh is mafia the entire game, I can't really give you much on that. My fos has been on Epishade/Eden the entire game, so being in final 3, you both confused me, but I think I have most of a case on Epishade than Eden. If I'm wrong, then I apologize, but I am town this game despite my lack of posts lately. | ||
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Also, I was first to go on dravernor, while Eden went on Meat, who seemed pretty town. But then again, Epishade voted meat after Eden went on Meat. Eden also didnt vote dfs until the last second, but epishade voted before. | ||
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Talk you damned mafia scum! | ||
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Honestly, there is nothing really against me being mafia other than that my posts have lacked lately, but give some hard evidence on how I am mafia. What have I done that is NOT TOWN? Because, I seriously can't find anything! | ||
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Your biggest thing on me is that I began posting less. I've already stated reasons for that. And just because I didn't get shot, doesnt mean anything. Jailkeeper was on me 2 nights in a row, which I was impossible to get shot then, therefore mafia placed their shots elsewhere. As for the other nights, I'm not sure why they didn't kill me. I don't know, because I AM NOT MAFIA. The fact that mafia is pushing on me now, is because they think im an easy ml. IM NOT SO GET OFF OF ME. I believe there is benefit talking in the night, as I stated before. You can get reads off of people who are likely to die in the night. This is super beneficial for town. The only thing I see here is that eden was all like, "Yeah me too, I'm not gonna say anything in the night either." I don't see how that is beneficial to finding mafia. And your reasons on Eden are pointless as well. I honestly think you and Eden are both just pulling nothing out of a magical hat that doesn't even work. I AM TOWN, you need to reconsider this before you let mafia win. This is ridiculous. | ||
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Why the hell am I being pushed on now? | ||
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That is ridiculous. Do you know how to play mafia?! Of course I'm going to freak out. I AM TOWN. I don't want to get voted on. Sure we have 24 hours (I think?), but the earlier I prove that I am town, the earlier we can lynch the actual REAL MAFIA. So I don't see how my reacting is disproportionate as you say. I am in danger of being lynched. AS TOWN. And yes, I do plan on being around, so if there are any questions, please ask. But I don't see any of you actually doing something to find the real mafia. All I see is each of you placing your vote on me, then leaving. Therefore I am bringing up points, I am trying to point out inconsistencies and reads, because this IS A ML. For one. There's your quote on how you piggy backed off of Epishade saying you weren't going to talk in the night. On May 14 2014 08:35 Epishade wrote: I think I'd rather wait until the next day to say what's on my mind guys. I'd rather not give the mafia any reason to target anyone in particular through anything I say. If I die in the night, so be it. I think you guys can figure this out then. On May 14 2014 21:08 Eden1892 wrote: Seconding Epishade here. I think it's pretty obvious where my views are anyway, and while I normally support nighttalking I think in this case it's just going to create WIFOM without actually being illuminating. Also, multiple times where dravernor scumreads me. On April 29 2014 14:18 dravernor wrote: I think we've been off to a pretty aggressive start already tbh. I now think I am going to be useless at this game because everyone and no-one looks scummy. I think the top two suspects here in my eyes are Epishade and 27ninjabunnies as they have been pressing and deflecting the most for what looks like an early lynch. But, the game is still young and I don't really know many of you yet, so I could be reading wrong completely. Then he calls me town but keeps is suspicion on epishade. Then says im back on his scum probably, and fences eden On May 03 2014 03:11 dravernor wrote: Hello everyone I'm sorry I haven't been around recently. I have been having pretty bad (and unexpected) time management + internet access issues, which is why I haven't really had a chance to post much. I have a lot to catch up on it seems, but I am somewhat surprised that after all the heavy mtamburini talk that Sweetfrost got lynched in the end. Tbh Sweetfrost was never very high up on my list of possible scum, and that was probably because I ddin't get enough out of his posts to make a proper read. In short I am still confused as to why he seemed more suspicious than mtamburini, Yell0w or Epishade. I also noticed I was the only one who voted Epishade. I understandably didn't make a very strong case against him, as I was more contributing to other people's cases than making my own specific case, but I still think he is quite shady (i swear no pun was intended) and none of you seem to think so. Amiko, what are your thoughts on him? You seem to be trying to analyze people the most deeply, so I am interested to hear about why you don't consider him a likely suspect. Am I missing a few posts? It is possible I am given that I have been afk so much. Is this content still relevant? Are these still your current reads on these two players? What does everyone think of ahswtini at the moment? I think he made some good points, but I also think he shouldn't have voted Meat because he wasn't around to defend himself or contribute. Sure he hasn't been a great contributer so far, but we need to give him a chance. Why was ahswtini so desperate to have him lynched day 1? I don't see him having anything to hide by voting Meat, that wouldn't make sense, right? Also, bunnies is coming across as so incredibly town that I am not sure it is genuine. Yes, this is a jump back on my previous decision about her, but only because she has been unfaltering recently to a degree that I am wondering if she is just REALLY good at blending in? Amiko too. No one seems to have questioned him much recently. Everyone just accepts the two of them as straight cut town. I don't think you're mafia just yet, but you also seem too on-the-ball to be vanilla town. You seem concerned about appearing as town too, which is what i read off of your constant posts regarding reads on people, but I do like that Amiko regularly contributes his thoughts (over sqrt who seems to post a lot but not say much) so much that is is possible for the rest of us to gain some perspective. However, I can't be sure that you're not feeding us bullshit. And yes, I did read this post and I do think it is very helpful that you have been helping so much with opinions and reads. I dunno though, maybe it comes across as you trying too hard? I am also suspicious because from what I am picking up, you seem to have the most influence here, more than our self-proclaimed leader and vigi, mtamburini. @all: Everyone looks up to Amiko and Eden and their reads. Is it good to be reliant on these two people? How do you know you can trust their reads? I'll admit that I am very persuaded by Eden's argument for tamb being sk, and I dislike being so easily persuaded. And then here + Show Spoiler + On May 05 2014 03:23 dravernor wrote: Okay, right, I am here. I made a super long post a few hours ago, but the electricity cut and my post was eaten. The joys of living in a third world country. So both bunnies and tamb got roleblocked? Interesting. I mean, tamb wasn't very subtle about having a role, assuming he has one. Pretty clear target for anyone wanting to roleblock him. Otherwise it could all just be a clever ruse to draw us off his scent. In this scenario, let us assume tamb is actually vigi, like he claimed. Could bunnies be sk if she isn't mafia herself? I mean, she was so towny that we all just went with her, because she was providing so much information. Her, Amiko and Eden are our primary read sources this game, and one of them is already gone. I am still really lost with how to read everyone. Yell0w too, and from the looks of it ritoky feels the same way: This is exactly how I feel about him too. I don't really have any further contribution to that. sqrt also seems to have been gathering more suspicion from all of us too. Right from day 1 I had a weird feeling about him, and probably because of his posting style. There hasn't really been much development, and I am still left in the dark on most of the people here. dfs seems pretty town to me, also a bit quiet, but I don't disagree with his reads. ritoky also looks town to me, even though he hasn't brought any massive game changing reads or contributions, but he hasn't done anything overtly suspicious. I'm not sure what to think of tamb; ofc this is mostly because of what other people have already suspected of him - this hasn't changed, nor have my views on Epishade. ahswtini and MM1 have been laying it low this game, but I am not entirely convinced they're mafia. They may look suspicious but they haven't done enough to arouse my interest as possible mafia just yet. I think my top scumreads at the moment are Epishade and sqrt. I am on the fence with bunnies (and Yell0w -still) at the moment, her coming out and claiming she has a role all of a sudden and that she was blocked doesn't sound quite right to me. I already expressed suspicion of her in the beginning, withdrew it, and now it is building again. Is it possible she is mafia and shot to kill one of us, but someone roleblocked her? And if there is a sk (who isn't tamb), they were the one who possibly killed Amiko? I don't really know if that can happen in this game. If so, whoever roleblocked bunnies would surely have presented a case against her as to why she is mafia, and surely would have voted to lynch her? Thus far there has not been any substantial case claiming her to be mafia. So I guess by that reasoning, it makes sense that bunnies is town. It also doesn't make sense that a sk would kill Amiko on N1 since he was providing the most information. Unless the sk knew he was onto something and had something to hide? Is it possible that tamb IS infact sk and shot Amiko, then claimed to be gunning for Yell0w? A pretty clever ploy if you ask me. Anyway, it is getting pretty close to voting time and I am still not sure whether to vote for Epishade or sqrt, or the other maybe candidates. Eden is someone I have also considered, but I am not more than 50% convinced he is mafia, and since he is bringing info to us I am unwilling for him to go just yet in the scenario we lose another useful townie. I am well aware I am somewhat useless in contributing new information; it is not one of my strong points, but I at least explain my reasoning behind my thoughts and expand a bit on them. @Yell0w my vote against Epishade was based on other people's thoughts on him previously, and then my small section saying why I agreed with them, but I seemed to be the only one pushing to lynch him. I was then afk for a long time due to electricity and internet issues and came back to find I was the only one who voted him. Yes, it does look suspicious, but I suppose I shouldn't have expected any less after making a post barely pushing him. I still don't have a strong case, based on the fact that I find it very difficult to determine what does and doesn't look scummy in a forum based game. I also somehow thought playing mafia would be less time consuming than it really is. @everyone: Just consider my possible scenario in which bunnies is a non town role and tamb is sk after all. My 'most likely' scum list right now, as I said above : Epishade and/or sqrt. On the fence : bunnies, tamb, Yell0w, maaaaybe Eden Don't have much of an opinion on yet, but probably town: ritoky, Meat, dfs, ahswtini | ||
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If you havve any reasons as to why I am scum, why aren't either of you questioning me? Questioning my reads? Where I placed my votes? No all you are doing is voting, and saying Epishade "seems" more town than I am. You should be trying to find mafia here, like I am actually doing. I've given reads, I have stated why I think this person is scum over this person. I HAVE REEVALUATED my reads over nd over, and posted out inconsistencies. I reevaluated on yell0w and tamburini (after his vigi claim). If I was mafia, I could have easily pushed lynches on both of them. I've also reevaluated my reads on both of you. Something mafia doesn't usually do. Anything else you want to push on me as scum for? I got all night. Let's go. | ||
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On May 16 2014 08:40 Epishade wrote: I was busy the past hour and a half and I planned on also bringing up the Drav reading Bunny as scum as incorrect, but Eden already did so. I disagree with Eden about Bunny freaking out disproportionately. I don't think that indicates a caught mafia. She has a right to be freaked out about being lynched, but mafia or town regardless would (or rather, should) have the same reaction. If anything that just means she's passionate about the game. I wouldn't indicate that as a particular alignment trait. And Bunny, I'm sorry, but continuously telling us that you're town doesn't help. Mafia would be saying exactly the same thing in your situation. The only thing I can do is look at the evidence for you and Eden. And it doesn't point in your favor. If Eden is in fact mafia and we lose, I know I'll have looked at all the evidence and came to my best decision I could have made with what I found. I still don't see how it doesn't point in my favor. I have multiple CONFIRMED TOWN reading me as town. One of them, being tamburini, saying NEVER lynch me this game. The highest point each of you have on me is that 1, my posts have been lacking towards the end of the game, which I've already pointed out reasons for, and 2, that scum read me as town. Well guess what, SO DID THE ENTIRE TOWN. Also, name a place where my reads havent been conistant or have had back up to? I voted dravernor, and told him/her to speak, in which dravernor did nothing to prove otherwise he was town. So I kept my vote on him. Sure, I didn't give an elaborate reading on her for the lack of her posting. She only had 2 pages of filter!!! And dfs only had 3! I voted on both mafia. Why would I buss in that instance, lose 2 mafia partners, when I could have jumped on the yell0w bw? Or meat bw? When those votes were going through. If I was mafia, we COULD HAVE WON by now if I had placed my votes elsewhere. But n, instead i vote off 2 of my mafia partners? Please. I LED on 1 mafia, and voted the other. | ||
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On May 16 2014 08:40 Epishade wrote: I was busy the past hour and a half and I planned on also bringing up the Drav reading Bunny as scum as incorrect, but Eden already did so. I disagree with Eden about Bunny freaking out disproportionately. I don't think that indicates a caught mafia. She has a right to be freaked out about being lynched, but mafia or town regardless would (or rather, should) have the same reaction. If anything that just means she's passionate about the game. I wouldn't indicate that as a particular alignment trait. And Bunny, I'm sorry, but continuously telling us that you're town doesn't help. Mafia would be saying exactly the same thing in your situation. The only thing I can do is look at the evidence for you and Eden. And it doesn't point in your favor. If Eden is in fact mafia and we lose, I know I'll have looked at all the evidence and came to my best decision I could have made with what I found. Also, look at my post on the previous page. I pointed out multiple posts, over multiple days, where Drav had either fenced me or scum read me, then changed his read. All over a couple of days. So you are both wrong. | ||
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Also, tbh, I forgotten days are 48 hours and not 24 hours until someone pointed it out, so you may think that my defense is too defensive for right now, but I told you why I am getting defensive. Because i am town, and we need to find the actual mafia here. | ||
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On May 16 2014 09:15 Eden1892 wrote: RE: dravernor's reads, here are some handy links. - First post D1, scumreads Epishade and bunnies. - Later on D1, scumreads me for moving votes around. - Later on D1, bunnies flips to top townread. Epishade still scummy. Indecisive about me. - Votes Epishade. Last D1 post. - Epishade top scum read, no comment of note on me, has bunnies as "so town" that she's worried about it being genuine. - Epishade still top scum read, fence-sitting about me and bunnies - Guess what she said about Epishade lol. she's off the fence about bunnies, calling bunnies town. Thinks I might be scum - Boner for Epishade confirmed, still thinks bunnies is town, still thinks I'm bad All of these back up my initial analysis at the top of p67. The conclusion -- that bunnies is mafia -- remains. This doesnt point to me being mafia. This just points to that if I died in the night and flipped town, dravernor might have some credibility and not get lynched. Notice how he said "thinks" the entire time, but never had a legit scum read on you. She basically ignored you AND dfs in her reads. | ||
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But it doesn't matter. Mafia can bus mafia. Mafia can also read mafia as town. I'm just pointing out that your claim that because drav was reading me as town, it means I am mafia | ||
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On May 16 2014 09:36 Eden1892 wrote: Yell0w dying doesn't point to anything concrete about who's mafia. This is just idle speculation. How would the final mafia know that Yell0w and I would stick on each other? It'd be a huge gamble to assume that we couldn't step back and rethink things. I think Yell0w got shot because no one was willing to lynch him for several days leading up to this final day. At LYLO you want to keep the lynchable people around to maximize your options. Beyond that it's just speculation. I already explained how it does on p67, you're just insisting that it doesn't without refuting the logic behind it. You're wrong about dfs -- between those links and my analysis it should be clear how. No bdy was willing to lynch me for several days either. And more people were reading me as town than they were yell0w. So, why didn't I die then? And don't even think about saying its because im mafia. Because im not. I HAVE GIVEN LOGIC.. Are you serious? | ||
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On May 16 2014 09:40 Eden1892 wrote: Not at all! If she were fake claiming, she'd have to go carefully comb through her stated reads on certain days and make sure that all of her votes, reads, etc. are consistent with whatever scans she chose. Imagine she claimed normal cop instead of parity cop, and said she had a guilty on me and innocent on you. We can look at her actions this turn -- shifting back and forth between the two of us, unsure who's scum -- and know she's lying. There may not have been a counterclaim, but her scans still have to make sense with what she's said. I'd carefully reread her filter for any reads on the alleged scanned players and see if they make sense. I don't know why ya'll are going back and forth on me being parity cop, when I'm not parity cop. Is there a point to this? | ||
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On May 16 2014 09:42 Epishade wrote: I already looked at this before. Yes, well I agree with scenerio 1. It's a good scenerio. So are 2 and 3, but Im not mafia so thats null. Just because you read it before, does not mean I cannot bring it up again. What is your point? | ||
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So epishade willing to take his vote off a reconsider things makes me think he is more town than eden. So I'm pretty sure I'm keeping my vote where it is at, but I will be posting more. I'm going to go through the filter on Eden, and see if there is anything I can find, I'll post in the morning. Right now, im off to bed, have an 8 hour drive tomorrow, but I'll be posting from my phone. If either f you have any questions, ask away. | ||
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And yes, it is sound logic. The fact that epishade is willing to take his vote off of me and reconsider you as a possibility speaks volume for his alignment. If he was mafia there, he could easily just push for a mislynch on me, much like you are doing at this moment. And yes, I'm reading through your filter now (and updating all this from my phone, so it might take a bit longer to type everything I need to say.) I wish I knew exactly how much time we had so I can prove I'm not mafia, and you are. | ||
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Even after i recended off of yell0w, eden wanted to go super hard on him for awhile. I find that a bit iffy, but then again tamburini wanted to as well, and he flipped town. I'll post more in a bit. Really hard to do this from a phone | ||
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I said in my post that epishade is most likely town here, so stop twisting my words here. I was considering the possibility that mafia could have majorly scumread their partner for these reasons 1) if their partner was to get lynched, they would gain credibility, 2) if they were to get lynched, their partner would gain credibility.. But i think its you. Both of us were slightly scum read by both mafia, and you were highly suspected by mafia towards the end of their reads. I know this put suspicion on me, since i was scum read at the beginning and town read by the end, but it could easily be a play by you that you told them to start suspecting you to throw suspicions off of you when you bussed the hell out of them both! You are nowhere new to this game, so it could easily be a play made by you. | ||
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You are obviously grasping at straws here. Don't give me the whole "you used 'could' instead of 'did'" bull crap. What i'm trying to do here is be objective . Yes. I think that is exactly what happened. But by being objective, im considering the possibility it didnt. Im looking at possible scenerios, ones that could make sense or do make sense. They are my thoughts on how you may have led your mafia team. But they are just thoughts. Doesnt mean i am right. I have no idea what you and the others discusse d in your qt. so saying me using could instead of did is you just trying to find a stupid reason to call me mafia. Yeah, no idea what occam's razor is, so im just going to ignore that. And yes, i believe there was extreme dissociation. Doing so basically puts you in a brighter light because of it. Fypov, you think the latter. Mpov its the previous. | ||
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And i wasnt dancing around. You are only making it seem like I was dancing around. I specifically put exactly what I thought, and you tried to take it and make it something its not. Whether i used the word "could" or "did" does't matter! | ||
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Why i am town: I've been proactive throughout the game. I've led lynches where i felt they needed to be led, one of them on mafia. I've questioned reads, reconsidered positions, and also got a mislynch pulled off of meat and yellow. I was being read as town by the entire town. I have given logic behind my reads, given information on why I think epishade is town, and a bit why eden is mafia, including possible logical scenerios that could have taken place. Epishade, i still don't see how my quoting places where drav scum read me is not visible. It was well beyond day 1. Look at the time stamps. One of you is town, the other is mafia pushing a mislynch on me. If epishade is mafia here, which i dont think so, then gg, wp. You've just sat back laughing at two town fighting for two days. If eden is mafia and happens to convince epishade im mafia in the next couple of hours im gone, then well played. I commend you for fabulous effort, and find you quite the worthy opponent and looking forward to post game discussion. It was fun playing with you guys and a fun final 3 for my first forum game | ||
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But please! Please!!! Whoever is town here DO NOT VOTE ME!!! I am town! I'll do anything and absolutely anything to defend myself to the death here!!! | ||
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As for the sacrifice, no i dont think it was a play from the beginning. Hell, for all i know, they didnt even know you were going to push them in front of a bus. Maybe it just so happened to be that way. What i was saying os that with suspicion on you, if you get pynched, it buys them credibility as town, if they get lynched, it buys you credibility as town | ||
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Ive made y case as to why I am town, and epishade points out really great points on you as mafia, something I wish I had time to point out myself! (Stupid roadtrip)! I cannot stress how much voting on me would lose for town. If you have any lingering suspicion for eden being mafia, then vote him. If i still cant make you see that i am town, vote me. But i gave it my best with what i had! I honestly wasnt expecting to make it to final 3, and had no defense other than what my actions prove to me as being town. Good luck epi! | ||
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Blazinghand 04-29-2014 03:40 AM ET (US) Your goal is to look good rather than actually lynch scum, so you should try to develop your own cases and be like "yeah i'm a strong independent dfs who don't need no bunny" Best thing ive read haha | ||
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http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/dZmhF7V34xrgg He yelled at me dammit! Lmao | ||
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27ninjabunnies
United States2486 Posts
On May 17 2014 09:32 Epishade wrote: Pshhhht, that's nothin. Take a look at my QT! http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/bK4tBvRvCap Omg! Hahahaha Brave one here! | ||
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27ninjabunnies
United States2486 Posts
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27ninjabunnies
United States2486 Posts
On May 17 2014 18:20 mtamburini wrote: Poor you, you shouldnt have got him as we know him Nah, rob is a good coach! I'm glad he was my coach! Though im more interested in playing a forum game with him. Want to see how his forum game differs from his video play | ||
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27ninjabunnies
United States2486 Posts
So, quiet and doesnt do anything 😏 Hehe jk | ||
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