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geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
April 12 2014 11:08 GMT
#5327
I've left notes for my QT buddies, they can talk about it more if I die which I actually think I may. In short:
people should 100% be reevaluating Austin.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
April 12 2014 11:14 GMT
#5328
Sandro, I'd love to see you put some thoughts out on who you want to lynch and why too. Specifically, I'd like you to comment on Amiko, Austin and Killing. There's just a lot of shit that's not really adding up to me right now and austin looks really weird to me right now.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
April 12 2014 19:16 GMT
#5358
Ok guys I'll be honest too. I'm really a third party survivor. I'm Dandle's secret lover. So scum if you want to kill Dandle's please don't because I'll die too. My Character's real name is Dunk. You guys should know all this because it's really important.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
April 12 2014 19:23 GMT
#5361
JAT. You realize if Oats is alive tomorrow you're going to die right?
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
April 12 2014 19:29 GMT
#5369
On April 13 2014 03:56 austinmcc wrote:
geript, question.

If scum has a "target player can't be lynched this cycle" mechanic on someone, why do they wait until now to use it? Could stick it on syllo or iamp earlier, possibly save a power of theirs and also keep a KP maybe, depending on numbers. Could stick it on Gumshoe D1, give no flip information, and PROBABLY have gumshoe be the lynch D2. Save it for a townie on a critical day coming up, no lynch, another set of NKs, and we PROBABLY lynch that dude the next day.

Do you think, if you actually work through it, that a buddy/partner/forbidden lover/supplicant/trusted librarian of Oats's would use that power on Oats? ESPECIALLY if snb's bit is legit and he just has one-shot abilities.

KP is scum/2 right? So saving IamP/ syllogism doesn't change anything I don't think. Like syllo's getting shot/lynched again 100%. IamP probly that way too. That doesn't save KP even for a night IMO. Now. I think it's likely just a preserve numbers thing.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
April 12 2014 19:34 GMT
#5374
On April 13 2014 04:30 austinmcc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2014 04:29 strongandbig wrote:
On April 13 2014 03:56 austinmcc wrote:
geript, question.

If scum has a "target player can't be lynched this cycle" mechanic on someone, why do they wait until now to use it? Could stick it on syllo or iamp earlier, possibly save a power of theirs and also keep a KP maybe, depending on numbers. Could stick it on Gumshoe D1, give no flip information, and PROBABLY have gumshoe be the lynch D2. Save it for a townie on a critical day coming up, no lynch, another set of NKs, and we PROBABLY lynch that dude the next day.

Do you think, if you actually work through it, that a buddy/partner/forbidden lover/supplicant/trusted librarian of Oats's would use that power on Oats? ESPECIALLY if snb's bit is legit and he just has one-shot abilities.

my thing doesnt say that oats only has one-shot abilities. I just get to know the number of one-shot abilities that he has. He could have other abilities that are not one-shot.
My b then, but I think the point behind my question is still there. Why does scum save oats over doing nearly anything else.

This is such a dumb worthless question. Like maybe his partner can't use it on himself. away you, now I'm super duper scum for saying partner again. Like there's lots of potential reasons.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
April 12 2014 19:38 GMT
#5376
On April 13 2014 04:33 austinmcc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2014 04:29 geript wrote:
On April 13 2014 03:56 austinmcc wrote:
geript, question.

If scum has a "target player can't be lynched this cycle" mechanic on someone, why do they wait until now to use it? Could stick it on syllo or iamp earlier, possibly save a power of theirs and also keep a KP maybe, depending on numbers. Could stick it on Gumshoe D1, give no flip information, and PROBABLY have gumshoe be the lynch D2. Save it for a townie on a critical day coming up, no lynch, another set of NKs, and we PROBABLY lynch that dude the next day.

Do you think, if you actually work through it, that a buddy/partner/forbidden lover/supplicant/trusted librarian of Oats's would use that power on Oats? ESPECIALLY if snb's bit is legit and he just has one-shot abilities.

KP is scum/2 right? So saving IamP/ syllogism doesn't change anything I don't think. Like syllo's getting shot/lynched again 100%. IamP probly that way too. That doesn't save KP even for a night IMO. Now. I think it's likely just a preserve numbers thing.
I don't know how many folks scum have. IF they had an even number, then losing 2 means losing 1 KP, but losin 1 means not losing KP (KP rounds up). So saving EITHER would mean a bonus KP that night IF mafia has even number of members.

Why save oats to preserve numbers? Again, why not burn it on a townie or someone who likely has more stuff in the bag than oats. ALL uses of "x can't be lynched and you can use this right before lynch" cause chaos, screw up a lynch, and give you another night cycle. Pretty much ANY use of that power "preserves numbers", either by saving scum or by giving you NKs and probably putting the lynch the NEXT day on a target of you choosing. If that person is town, you essentially draw 2 mislynches out of town on the SAME townie.

I don't think mafia is in a position to make that play. Like oats is super fucking scum. Maybe there are long 5 scum and 2 left. Like that's my point in calling this exercise worthless. I have specific thoughts and expectations of how the game is. But it isn't like we can realistically prove any of that.

Like why in the fuck would a good player like you waste time on this?
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
April 12 2014 19:40 GMT
#5377
On April 13 2014 04:36 austinmcc wrote:
Nah. My dumb questions look like dumb questions. This one's real.

Doubt it. Why not just say what you're thinking because like I don't see any reason for you to be poking here. I feel like you're just wasting my time because you have your own theory/knowledge/pinky swear/whatever.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
April 12 2014 19:52 GMT
#5381
Well picking at what I think about random shit that happened isn't going to help you. Like I'm going to think what I'm going to think. I'm not going to bother trying to figure out I think that mafia did X, Y, z. Like that's really worthless IMO.

What I do find particularly interesting about this claim is that my vote count analysis points to bot Dandel and Amiko being scum and JAT being 3P(acts more independent/like town in voting patterns). Like Dandel's here defending Amiko which is odd to me because if he's 3P survivor her death means nothing to him. There's just a lot of weird shit in there and it bugs me so I hope if he's not scum that scum shoot him and no one protects him.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
April 12 2014 20:03 GMT
#5383
On April 13 2014 04:53 austinmcc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2014 04:48 Dandel Ion wrote:
Or Oats had the lynchproof so if he doesn't use it on himself it's wasted.
Or it depends on chaos/radiation
Or or or

it's like you're wasting time on purpose.
Green: (Which is again what I think and I'm trying to understand why Geript thinks that oats does NOT do the lynchproof bit, someone else does)

Blue: Possible, but chaos has been 1 and > 1, so this would be a radiation thing only. Possible.

No color: It may be "like" that, but it ain't.


It's really simple. I don't think I've seen a GM role where they get to do 2 things in one phase. Like we can't used roles and defend; or at least I can't afaik. My last GM role had a couple of things but I couldn't use them both at the same time (sadly because I totally would've done a double lynch and vote rigged Slam/BH to die). Like it's not impossible, but I just don't see it.
Like if Oats were 1 shot lynchproof, I imagine that that would be some kind of item, which he 100% wouldn't have had. Like that's too weird as a 1 shot passive imo. So therefore Oats didn't do it.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
April 12 2014 20:07 GMT
#5386
On April 13 2014 04:45 austinmcc wrote:
You thought about past games, about actions per cycle, and why you think someone else did this. But it doesn't seem like you thought "why would they do this with oats", and I'm trying to figure out if you didn't think that through, if you believe something different from me, or if it looks like you're just making crap up for unknown reasons.

Offsite I've seen scum pardoner role a bunch of times. Every time I've seen scum pardon town (except for once), it's always ended up fucking town. That first time, it didn't fuck up scum because it pulled a vigi shot. Plus, I can't think of a game where mid-late game, Scum ever pardoned non-scum. Like ever. It's just not worth the risk. Sure if Oats actually is 3P this is a decent time to pull that out but then we just get JAT to kill him and if JAT doesn't, then we kill JAT too. So I'm not seeing the point.

Either way, I'm still pissed at you and you're still not making sense so I'm gonna be the big spoon. Snooglewoogle you can be the small spoon mmmmk
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
April 12 2014 20:08 GMT
#5387
On April 13 2014 05:05 strongandbig wrote:
What are people's current thoughts about VA and paperscraps? I feel pretty much blank about both of them, which I don't like very much.

Daniel is kinda town. VA I'm not sure about but I'm calling 100% #YOLO townread on him. So I'm not interested in either right now.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
April 12 2014 20:10 GMT
#5389
On April 13 2014 05:08 IAmRobik wrote:
WHERE THE FUCK IS SANDRO!

On April 11 2014 00:46 sandroba wrote:
really ve, if you are town I'm going to be so pissed off, i don't even

About 52 hours afk apparently.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
April 12 2014 20:17 GMT
#5394
On April 13 2014 05:14 austinmcc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2014 05:05 strongandbig wrote:
What are people's current thoughts about VA and paperscraps? I feel pretty much blank about both of them, which I don't like very much.
VA a solid scum suspect.

Paperscraps slightly less so, just on looking over D1? He picked up votes from 3/4 of our scummers (working off oats being scum). He ends the day with 3/4 scum votes on him, which doesn't say much I guess but you'd think they might move off once things are pushed elsewhere if paper is a scumbuddy and gumshoe ain't.

LSB's vote and posts on paper especially make him feel a little unlikely. Syllo and oats don't do much for me either way on paper, but LSB's looks unlike a scum bussing.

Or you could just read the reasoning I gave for why it would be highly unlikely that Scraps is town. Like it's not just the 3/4 thing it's that they were on that wagon with 10 hours left in the day. Considering their preponderance not to bus, that's really weird for them to bus a teammate there when it's quite possible that another wagon doesn't form.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
April 12 2014 21:36 GMT
#5406
Dandel claimed 3P no reason to protect him whatsoever
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
April 12 2014 22:11 GMT
#5413
Ugh. I'm not sure Keir's meta on Hopeless stands up. Need to look at a few of Hopeless past games :/
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
April 12 2014 23:22 GMT
#5438
On April 13 2014 08:00 strongandbig wrote:
And we seriously need more out of va and paper scraps, I have them both as ???

Like at least the 3p are invested

The 3P being invested isn't a positive sign IMO.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
April 13 2014 01:27 GMT
#5466
S&B... Did you roleblock anyone last night?
Did anyone roleblock JAT last night ?
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
April 13 2014 01:31 GMT
#5473
No. I did not. I targeted Amiko last night. AFAIK she currently has no items.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
April 13 2014 02:09 GMT
#5479
On April 13 2014 10:39 Amiko wrote:
It's kind of weirdly phrased-
Like, if someone roleblocks whoever Robik hides behind, it would theoretically roleblock Robik. But, if Robik is roleblocked, he wouldn't be hiding behind them. I think there was something like that in back to the future, I forget.

It inverts actions, so I read that as meaning that someone protecting his target would kill him.

Hey geript did you get any items last night? if so a few things make sense.

At first I didn't get any. Now I have a bunch if items. Waiting on info and stuff.
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