• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 14:25
CEST 20:25
KST 03:25
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL22] Ro24 Preview: Siren's Call8[ASL22] Ro24 Preview: Summer's End9Serral wins HomeStory Cup 2915Serral wins Maestros of the Game 244ByuL, and the Limitations of Standard Play3
Community News
Stellar Fest TWO the Moon (Dec 16-20)6Weekly Cups (August 24-30): Patches' balance mod takes over2New 3v3 BGH Ladder (and more) on ShieldBattery!38Weekly Cups (August 17-23): Zerg dominate the week6Weekly Cups (August 10-16): SHIN doubles3
StarCraft 2
General
Weekly Cups (August 10-16): SHIN doubles Weekly Cups (August 24-30): Patches' balance mod takes over SC4ALL II: SC2 Player Announcement 6/8 - Maru How would you feel about frequent/monthly balance patches for SC2? Weekly Cups (August 17-23): Zerg dominate the week
Tourneys
2026 GSTL Announcement Stellar Fest TWO the Moon (Dec 16-20) PIG STY FESTIVAL 8.0! (13 - 23 August) Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament IntoTheTV X SOOP SC2 League : Weekly & Monthly
Strategy
[G] Having the right mentality to improve
Custom Maps
Nexus Wars 2021 GUIDE [M] (2) Industrial Park
External Content
Mutation # 541 Binary Choice The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 540 Dodge This Mutation # 539 Thunder Dome
Brood War
General
[Personal Project Share] Terran Defense v0.60 Which box art did your first copy of StarCraft 1 have? BW General Discussion ASL22 General Discussion New 3v3 BGH Ladder (and more) on ShieldBattery!
Tourneys
[ASL22] Ro24 Group F Small VOD Thread 2.0 Escore Tournament - Season 3 BSL LAN Party - Kraków 29-30 August - OPEN SIGNUPS
Strategy
Replay Review Process - What do you do? Game Theory for Starcraft Odyssey Mineral Stack Saturation Fighting Spirit mining rates
Other Games
General Games
General RTS Discussion Thread Nintendo Switch Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Anyone here play Quakeworld back in the day? EVE Corporation
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
[TL LoL EUW IHs] Teemo shall perish TSM pausing esports and CLG Dead
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Power Rank TL Mafia Community Thread NeO.D_StephenKing vs This Guy From 1 Million Dance
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
MarineLorD Fan Club The Creator Fan Club The ShoWTimE Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! Anime Discussion Thread
Sports
Football (Soccer) Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 MLB/Baseball 2023 NBA General Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List Northern Ireland Global Starcraft
Blogs
Regacy Esports: The Bh…
regacyesports
Violent Games and Crime Rate…
TrAiDoS
LOCKPICKING NOOB
LUCKY_NOOB
Cathedral Of CS And NY pizza a…
FuDDx
Please support my new stand…
Peanutsc
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 7922 users

Catastrophe Mafia - Page 10

Forum Index > TL Mafia
Post a Reply
Prev 1 8 9 10 11 12 14 Next All
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
April 12 2014 03:23 GMT
#5298
Also, robik. Whatever catastrophe is coming for us, I want you to know that ABBA is there from you. Accept them.
Fe fi fo fum.
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
April 12 2014 03:25 GMT
#5299
On April 12 2014 12:22 IAmRobik wrote:
I mean. I had originally forgotten about LSB cause he prolly posted like 5 fucking times, but then I went over the player list and was like "holy fuck...HIMHIMHIMHIMHIMHIM." Maybe Joey felt the same way. I can't really speak on his behalf
Okay. I know the feeling, it's about what made me ask koshi to shoot him over killing (the other option du nuit). He tends to look scummy for DOING stuff that can be scummy, and here he was doing jack and had that weird syllo vote.


JUST RUSTLIN' MYSELF UP SOME ODDITIES.
Fe fi fo fum.
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
April 12 2014 03:51 GMT
#5304
(Their names are Benny and Bjorn, the two Bs in ABBA. But of course, the devout already knew this)

(Also, thanks)
Fe fi fo fum.
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
April 12 2014 04:03 GMT
#5307
On April 12 2014 12:53 IAmRobik wrote:
Austin. I don't need ABBA. Remember? I'm an unkillable medic lol
This is the hubris of the young. The words of the generation of Ace of Base.

Those swedes are not the true swedes. The green glow is a false glow, and only the light of ABBA will bring the truth.
Fe fi fo fum.
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
April 12 2014 04:19 GMT
#5311
On April 12 2014 13:10 Oatsmaster wrote:
Does ABBA stand for anything Austin?
Agnetha
Benny
Bjorn
Anni-Frid
Fe fi fo fum.
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
April 12 2014 18:09 GMT
#5346
On April 13 2014 02:47 IAmRobik wrote:
I'm so lost at this point in the game. I have 0 clue what's going on
Oats if mafia and dicking around. We are partially getting caught up in it, and should probably quit interacting with him.

I forgot about BH's counter changing, hopeless didn't see snb's post, we're missing stuff NOW and not reading over stuff in the past by just dicking around with oats.

Oats has rejected the ABBA. Shun the nonbeliever. SHUUUUUNNNNNNNNNNNNNN.
Fe fi fo fum.
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
April 12 2014 18:10 GMT
#5347
is mafia*
Fe fi fo fum.
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
April 12 2014 18:56 GMT
#5348
geript, question.

If scum has a "target player can't be lynched this cycle" mechanic on someone, why do they wait until now to use it? Could stick it on syllo or iamp earlier, possibly save a power of theirs and also keep a KP maybe, depending on numbers. Could stick it on Gumshoe D1, give no flip information, and PROBABLY have gumshoe be the lynch D2. Save it for a townie on a critical day coming up, no lynch, another set of NKs, and we PROBABLY lynch that dude the next day.

Do you think, if you actually work through it, that a buddy/partner/forbidden lover/supplicant/trusted librarian of Oats's would use that power on Oats? ESPECIALLY if snb's bit is legit and he just has one-shot abilities.
Fe fi fo fum.
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
April 12 2014 19:02 GMT
#5352
On April 13 2014 03:58 Dandel Ion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2014 03:56 austinmcc wrote:
geript, question.

If scum has a "target player can't be lynched this cycle" mechanic on someone, why do they wait until now to use it? Could stick it on syllo or iamp earlier, possibly save a power of theirs and also keep a KP maybe, depending on numbers. Could stick it on Gumshoe D1, give no flip information, and PROBABLY have gumshoe be the lynch D2. Save it for a townie on a critical day coming up, no lynch, another set of NKs, and we PROBABLY lynch that dude the next day.

Do you think, if you actually work through it, that a buddy/partner/forbidden lover/supplicant/trusted librarian of Oats's would use that power on Oats? ESPECIALLY if snb's bit is legit and he just has one-shot abilities.

because oats has the pardon, oats' buddy has the janitor oats wants to sell as his own power.
(Right but I'm still working on figuring out Geript. He's not the most likely scum out of the non-oats, I still dislike Killing more, and geript has some townie stuff going for him. But his response to Robik still reads funky to me, and talking about how someone else would have used that on oats yesterday continued to eat at me, and this is one reason why. He's just...making these statements and coming to conclusions that I don't <3, that I don't understand, but they lack that SCUMMY reasoning behind them. Like, who cares who used oats-is-lynchable juice, it doesn't matter if it's oats or something else, and geript doesn't seem to be trying to SAVE oats at all by saying someone else did something to him, so there's no reason for scum to type that odd conclusion in thread, but it bugs me and bugs me so poke poke)
Fe fi fo fum.
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
April 12 2014 19:06 GMT
#5355
On April 13 2014 04:03 justanothertownie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2014 03:56 austinmcc wrote:
geript, question.

If scum has a "target player can't be lynched this cycle" mechanic on someone, why do they wait until now to use it? Could stick it on syllo or iamp earlier, possibly save a power of theirs and also keep a KP maybe, depending on numbers. Could stick it on Gumshoe D1, give no flip information, and PROBABLY have gumshoe be the lynch D2. Save it for a townie on a critical day coming up, no lynch, another set of NKs, and we PROBABLY lynch that dude the next day.

Do you think, if you actually work through it, that a buddy/partner/forbidden lover/supplicant/trusted librarian of Oats's would use that power on Oats? ESPECIALLY if snb's bit is legit and he just has one-shot abilities.

If scum used that on a townie oats... Why did oats say he could not be lynched?
You hear the ABBA, but you clearly do not read with the blue eyes of the swedes.

I'm not suggesting oats is townie or town. I'm trying to understand what geript is thinking when he posts these:
On April 12 2014 10:47 geript wrote:
I've played 1 GM game before but could people confirm or deny that GM usually only allows players to do one thing per phase. I really think Oats partner did the unlynchable ish thing.
On April 12 2014 10:55 geript wrote:
Austin. I don't really get your point. Like I feel it's pretty obvious IMO that Oats is mafia and his teammate saved him. I remember Wave was 3P with VE maybe in chrono 2 and the could res each other I think, but normally players can't take more than one action per phase and iirc GM tends to follow that rule. So Oats teammate had to have saved him. I don't get how you don't see what I'm saying and how you don't come to this conclusion too.

Fe fi fo fum.
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
April 12 2014 19:19 GMT
#5359
DI, i got...nothing in particular to ask about that. I generally believe it, just because you weren't looking scummy and apparently have been doing some townie stuff.

My only real question I guess is that you seem concerned with JAT throughout your filter, but not with Amiko much. I can understand "makes sense that there could be another survivor", but ... you didn't question his claim at all because of that? Or question just general play / claimed item abilities / comment about not being sure about committing himself to ABBA.
Fe fi fo fum.
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
April 12 2014 19:29 GMT
#5368
On April 13 2014 04:26 Dandel Ion wrote:
amiko claimed survivor (believable to me) with a role that doesn't do shit for a survivor (in line with mine and thus believable to me)* and has, as far as I know, not killed anybody yet.

On the other hand we have a guy that killed keir and wants to kill 1-2 more townies


*ignoring the bulletproof fakeclaim he did
Okay you real.

If I were a survivor and someone else claimed survivor with some item-y shits, I would immediate distrust them and think they were lying about wincon or faction, like 95%. Heck, I'd think they were lying even if I weren't a survivor. I don't understand "oh yeah, their role doesn't do shit for a survivor ---> therefore, they're a survivor," but I don't think you type that if you're not being honest here.
Fe fi fo fum.
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
April 12 2014 19:30 GMT
#5370
On April 13 2014 04:29 strongandbig wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2014 03:56 austinmcc wrote:
geript, question.

If scum has a "target player can't be lynched this cycle" mechanic on someone, why do they wait until now to use it? Could stick it on syllo or iamp earlier, possibly save a power of theirs and also keep a KP maybe, depending on numbers. Could stick it on Gumshoe D1, give no flip information, and PROBABLY have gumshoe be the lynch D2. Save it for a townie on a critical day coming up, no lynch, another set of NKs, and we PROBABLY lynch that dude the next day.

Do you think, if you actually work through it, that a buddy/partner/forbidden lover/supplicant/trusted librarian of Oats's would use that power on Oats? ESPECIALLY if snb's bit is legit and he just has one-shot abilities.

my thing doesnt say that oats only has one-shot abilities. I just get to know the number of one-shot abilities that he has. He could have other abilities that are not one-shot.
My b then, but I think the point behind my question is still there. Why does scum save oats over doing nearly anything else.
Fe fi fo fum.
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
April 12 2014 19:33 GMT
#5372
On April 13 2014 04:29 geript wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2014 03:56 austinmcc wrote:
geript, question.

If scum has a "target player can't be lynched this cycle" mechanic on someone, why do they wait until now to use it? Could stick it on syllo or iamp earlier, possibly save a power of theirs and also keep a KP maybe, depending on numbers. Could stick it on Gumshoe D1, give no flip information, and PROBABLY have gumshoe be the lynch D2. Save it for a townie on a critical day coming up, no lynch, another set of NKs, and we PROBABLY lynch that dude the next day.

Do you think, if you actually work through it, that a buddy/partner/forbidden lover/supplicant/trusted librarian of Oats's would use that power on Oats? ESPECIALLY if snb's bit is legit and he just has one-shot abilities.

KP is scum/2 right? So saving IamP/ syllogism doesn't change anything I don't think. Like syllo's getting shot/lynched again 100%. IamP probly that way too. That doesn't save KP even for a night IMO. Now. I think it's likely just a preserve numbers thing.
I don't know how many folks scum have. IF they had an even number, then losing 2 means losing 1 KP, but losin 1 means not losing KP (KP rounds up). So saving EITHER would mean a bonus KP that night IF mafia has even number of members.

Why save oats to preserve numbers? Again, why not burn it on a townie or someone who likely has more stuff in the bag than oats. ALL uses of "x can't be lynched and you can use this right before lynch" cause chaos, screw up a lynch, and give you another night cycle. Pretty much ANY use of that power "preserves numbers", either by saving scum or by giving you NKs and probably putting the lynch the NEXT day on a target of you choosing. If that person is town, you essentially draw 2 mislynches out of town on the SAME townie.
Fe fi fo fum.
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
April 12 2014 19:36 GMT
#5375
Nah. My dumb questions look like dumb questions. This one's real.
Fe fi fo fum.
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
April 12 2014 19:43 GMT
#5378
On April 13 2014 04:38 geript wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2014 04:33 austinmcc wrote:
On April 13 2014 04:29 geript wrote:
On April 13 2014 03:56 austinmcc wrote:
geript, question.

If scum has a "target player can't be lynched this cycle" mechanic on someone, why do they wait until now to use it? Could stick it on syllo or iamp earlier, possibly save a power of theirs and also keep a KP maybe, depending on numbers. Could stick it on Gumshoe D1, give no flip information, and PROBABLY have gumshoe be the lynch D2. Save it for a townie on a critical day coming up, no lynch, another set of NKs, and we PROBABLY lynch that dude the next day.

Do you think, if you actually work through it, that a buddy/partner/forbidden lover/supplicant/trusted librarian of Oats's would use that power on Oats? ESPECIALLY if snb's bit is legit and he just has one-shot abilities.

KP is scum/2 right? So saving IamP/ syllogism doesn't change anything I don't think. Like syllo's getting shot/lynched again 100%. IamP probly that way too. That doesn't save KP even for a night IMO. Now. I think it's likely just a preserve numbers thing.
I don't know how many folks scum have. IF they had an even number, then losing 2 means losing 1 KP, but losin 1 means not losing KP (KP rounds up). So saving EITHER would mean a bonus KP that night IF mafia has even number of members.

Why save oats to preserve numbers? Again, why not burn it on a townie or someone who likely has more stuff in the bag than oats. ALL uses of "x can't be lynched and you can use this right before lynch" cause chaos, screw up a lynch, and give you another night cycle. Pretty much ANY use of that power "preserves numbers", either by saving scum or by giving you NKs and probably putting the lynch the NEXT day on a target of you choosing. If that person is town, you essentially draw 2 mislynches out of town on the SAME townie.

I don't think mafia is in a position to make that play. Like oats is super fucking scum. Maybe there are long 5 scum and 2 left. Like that's my point in calling this exercise worthless. I have specific thoughts and expectations of how the game is. But it isn't like we can realistically prove any of that.

Like why in the fuck would a good player like you waste time on this?
Because it's interesting to me and whatnot, and trying to understand your thought processes helps me figure out how your brain is working and what angle you're coming from.
Fe fi fo fum.
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
April 12 2014 19:45 GMT
#5379
On April 13 2014 04:40 geript wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2014 04:36 austinmcc wrote:
Nah. My dumb questions look like dumb questions. This one's real.

Doubt it. Why not just say what you're thinking because like I don't see any reason for you to be poking here. I feel like you're just wasting my time because you have your own theory/knowledge/pinky swear/whatever.
My thoughts are known. If this is a scum ability that says "target bro can't be lynched", then I think (1) it can't be infinite and (2) they don't use it on oats. I continue to work in a world in which Oats has a one-shot ability to keep himself from getting lynched (again, multi-use is ... unlikely).

You thought about past games, about actions per cycle, and why you think someone else did this. But it doesn't seem like you thought "why would they do this with oats", and I'm trying to figure out if you didn't think that through, if you believe something different from me, or if it looks like you're just making crap up for unknown reasons.
Fe fi fo fum.
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
April 12 2014 19:53 GMT
#5382
On April 13 2014 04:48 Dandel Ion wrote:
Or Oats had the lynchproof so if he doesn't use it on himself it's wasted.
Or it depends on chaos/radiation
Or or or

it's like you're wasting time on purpose.
Green: (Which is again what I think and I'm trying to understand why Geript thinks that oats does NOT do the lynchproof bit, someone else does)

Blue: Possible, but chaos has been 1 and > 1, so this would be a radiation thing only. Possible.

No color: It may be "like" that, but it ain't.

Fe fi fo fum.
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
April 12 2014 20:14 GMT
#5392
On April 13 2014 05:05 strongandbig wrote:
What are people's current thoughts about VA and paperscraps? I feel pretty much blank about both of them, which I don't like very much.
VA a solid scum suspect.

Paperscraps slightly less so, just on looking over D1? He picked up votes from 3/4 of our scummers (working off oats being scum). He ends the day with 3/4 scum votes on him, which doesn't say much I guess but you'd think they might move off once things are pushed elsewhere if paper is a scumbuddy and gumshoe ain't.

LSB's vote and posts on paper especially make him feel a little unlikely. Syllo and oats don't do much for me either way on paper, but LSB's looks unlike a scum bussing.
Fe fi fo fum.
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
April 12 2014 20:17 GMT
#5393
On April 13 2014 05:11 IAmRobik wrote:
I just had a random thought:

People who have the ability to decrease chaos/radiation might be more likely to be scum than town. Maybe whoever used the decrease of chaos/radiation or whatever the fuck decreased after oats wasn't lynched, maybe that has something to do with the counter decreasing. Like, mafia used a pro mafia ability and chaos decreased. Town uses abilities (as described in BH's role and poofter's role) and chaos/radiation goes up.

Thoughts?
Not anything solid right now. Seems like some people interact with radiation in different ways, chaos feels more likely to me (as a means of balancing other stuff though --> scum can do something nasty but chaos goes down, town can do something good but chaos goes up). It's not anything firm to go on though.

(But it would totally implicate killing, and I mentioned this previously that I "oh yeah just erase chaos" feels like...a lie, and in a not-townie way, because town wouldn't get "decrease chaos AND DO x" because the former is already super sexy for town).

I believe, however, that chaos is now 0 because we hit 3 or more, triggering the event thing.
Fe fi fo fum.
Prev 1 8 9 10 11 12 14 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 5h 35m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
mouzHeroMarine 277
ProTech127
BRAT_OK 119
Railgan 29
MindelVK 24
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 22168
Shuttle 1317
Rush 223
Horang2 192
Dewaltoss 153
Aegong 46
sSak 38
Pusan 33
Light 31
soO 30
[ Show more ]
Sexy 25
Dota 2
Gorgc5732
qojqva3227
Dendi1636
420jenkins705
Other Games
Liquid`RaSZi1762
Beastyqt812
Grubby732
ceh9689
mouzStarbuck286
TKL 238
IndyStarCraft 225
Mlord223
XaKoH 174
ArmadaUGS170
C9.Mang0124
Trikslyr58
QueenE45
Mew2King44
Organizations
Other Games
WardiTV479
BasetradeTV43
[ Show 15 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• mYiSmile138
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• Pr0nogo 1
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Nemesis2517
• TFBlade957
Other Games
• imaqtpie774
• WagamamaTV400
• Shiphtur336
Upcoming Events
PiGosaur Cup
5h 35m
Kung Fu Cup
16h 35m
Replay Cast
1d 5h
The PondCast
1d 15h
IntoTheTV X SOOP
2 days
CranKy Ducklings
3 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
4 days
OSC
4 days
Afreeca Starleague
5 days
Soma vs Shuttle
BeSt vs Rush
WardiTV Weekly
5 days
[ Show More ]
Afreeca Starleague
6 days
Leta vs ggaemo
Jaedong vs Queen
GSL
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

BSL 2026 LAN: Kraków
PiG Sty Festival 8.0
Light Tournament 2026

Ongoing

KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 3
K-JUNGMAN
ASL Season 22
Super Anchor Qualifying S3
CSL 2026 AUTUMN (S22)
RSL Revival: Season 6
Big Dog Cup 2026 Div 1
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
Esports World Cup 2026: LCQ
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026

Upcoming

Acropolis #5
Acropolis #5 - TRS
Escore Tournament S3: King of Kings
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
Acropolis #5 - GSA
Acropolis #5 - GSB
Acropolis #5 - GSC
HSC XXX
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Offline Finals
Calamity Invitational
BLAST Rivals Fall 2026
IEM Beijing 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 5
PGL Masters Bucharest 2026
1win Private Club #2
Thunderpick World Champ. '26
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
1win Private Club #1
Logitech G Play Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #3
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.