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TL Mafia Plays: Diplomacy - Page 33
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12972 Posts
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
It was a fun game though.  At least i tried my best. | ||
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JieXian
Malaysia4677 Posts
The ratings ‘shield’ is intended to encourage players to pick up some surrendered positions and play them out. This is a service to the community that is very much appreciated, since everyone would prefer to play games with all the countries involved, but often the only games that get picked up are when the surrender occurs in a strong position because players do not want to risk their own ratings. The ratings shield, when active, gives you a ‘free play’, protecting your rating from any negative result but allowing you to still take advantage of anything you do manage to achieve. You can therefore take up a surrendered position without any risk to yourself (and maybe even get more points!). The rationale for this goes as such: by surrendering as germany, everyone who is attacking germany has gained an unfair advantage over people who have to struggle with fighting a dying but live player (me and italy) hahaha it's fair for Artanis to replace Rayn but i don't know why you would want to do it :D it's more like joining a BW game when your opponent has 5 bases to your 2. Winning isn't impossible but it's unlikely. | ||
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12972 Posts
On April 18 2016 22:56 JieXian wrote: I think in the website they do encourage players to replace players who have surrendered (by a special point reward system) eg: by surrendering as germany, everyone who is attacking germany has gained an unfair advantage over people who have to struggle with fighting a dying but live player (me and italy) hahaha it's fair for Artanis to replace Rayn but i don't know why you would want to do it :D it's more like joining a BW game when your opponent has 5 bases to your 2. Winning isn't impossible but it's unlikely. I guess I'll be counting on the kindness of y'all to give me a chance  | ||
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JieXian
Malaysia4677 Posts
On April 18 2016 22:56 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I guess I'll be counting on the kindness of y'all to give me a chance i think it's more like facing a zerg with 5 gases and ultralistk defiler ling without tanks and vessels... and with each Terran unit the zerg kills they get a free unit of equivalent value. The situation of Germany is that dire :D Rayn fought super hard. He surrendered for a good reason. | ||
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12972 Posts
On April 18 2016 23:03 JieXian wrote: i think it's more like facing a zerg with 5 gases and ultralistk defiler ling without tanks and vessels... and with each Terran unit the zerg kills they get a free unit of equivalent value. The situation of Germany is that dire :D Rayn fought super hard. He surrendered for a good reason. I'm aware If you guys prefer to just end the game with your current alliance though that's fine. | ||
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JieXian
Malaysia4677 Posts
On April 18 2016 23:12 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I'm aware If you guys prefer to just end the game with your current alliance though that's fine. The game isn't over yet and I think you should join but I don't know how replacements work Was just letting you know of the situation. | ||
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JieXian
Malaysia4677 Posts
http://www.playdiplomacy.com/games.php?subpage=joinable&change=1&game_title=TL Mafia 7&game_id=&with_usr=&with_usr_2=&speed=&ambassador=&grace=&NMR_protect=&shorthanded= | ||
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Alakaslam
United States17336 Posts
On April 18 2016 17:37 raynpelikoneet wrote: Because my moves have more or less affected to other player's moves and surrendering is a legitmate option in the game. If someone else comes to the game they come to the game with an entirely different mindset and it may screw over some players.. It's like letting a player who was killed by scum on N1 in a mafia game to replace another player on N3.. This. Stop circle jerking and work toward a legitimate win. Art, when all the powerful players are asking you to join, please do the underdogs a favor and don't take the insult just to further insult those who finally thought they had a chance. Like I said earlier, the next fresh game (a lot more fun!) should be up soon. On April 18 2016 17:47 raynpelikoneet wrote: Well do whatever you want. I am not sure how people don't see how that is unfair though... I dont understand why the game has "surrender" button if it is in fact supposed to be "replace" button.. This is also true. Do whatever you want, just know that you don't know who you'll be working with in England. But in future games please be open to alliances with players other than the usual... Thank you for discontinuing your mockery. Another disclaimer: I am a huge member of a big World of Warships circle jerk so it's one of those things that I understand u kno | ||
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12972 Posts
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
On April 18 2016 22:56 JieXian wrote: The rationale for this goes as such: by surrendering as germany, everyone who is attacking germany has gained an unfair advantage over people who have to struggle with fighting a dying but live player (me and italy) hahaha Are you being serious? | ||
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Alakaslam
United States17336 Posts
He is He fears the possibility that someone other than the same group as always might win. Rayn, not everyone is used to losing. | ||
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Alakaslam
United States17336 Posts
On April 19 2016 00:06 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Alright slam, if you don't want me to take over I won't. I do feel like you are being very harsh though. Welcome to diplomacy! XD Next game you'll see why. We put a lot of time, thought, and emotion into each move. It actually isn't bad, but it makes you feel very strongly about your stances. Jiex, one of the members of my "circle of mockery of others" is actually a great guy afaik. On skype we got off topic and he is one of the few who did not "call bullshit" on my life's backstory for once. So understand, my harshness is as "England", not as my own true self. I also admit to open hypocrisy here. | ||
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rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
 i can understand why they don't want this. and especially slam lolol | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
On April 19 2016 00:20 Alakaslam wrote: He is He fears the possibility that someone other than the same group as always might win. Rayn, not everyone is used to losing. Well then he is an asshole. For the following reasons: 1) Every single player in the game knows my mentality. I play for win, and when winning is impossible i don't care. 2) I even indirectly told JX that i would surrender this turn in case the situation is that i cannot possibly win. 3) As surrendering is a legitmate option in the game, the above should be considered WHEN making decision in the game, not after someone has made a decision (in this case me). 3) Me surrendering and someone replacing in ONLY helps his circlejerk ass and whoever is under it, noone else. It literally hurts the people who i did make plans with if someone else takes my spot. It's okay to bullshit as much as you want in the game, but do not bring it her please. You know all of this JX. Cheap. | ||
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12972 Posts
On April 19 2016 00:56 rsoultin wrote: well i mean i <3 you lex but even if you don't intend to work with me you can't really expect the rest of the game to think you won't side with your gf i can understand why they don't want this. and especially slam lololEh, I figured any chance of victory is better than none at all if I don't replace in so I figured they'd be pleased but I seem to have analyzed that wrong. Gl to everyone may join next game.The harsh thing was mostly to the circlejerk thing to be fair. I'm not a fan of the idea that making online friends is a bad thing. | ||
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JieXian
Malaysia4677 Posts
The rationale for this goes as such: by surrendering as germany, everyone who is attacking germany has gained an unfair advantage over people who have to struggle with fighting a dying but live player (me and italy) hahaha I've made it explicitly clear that a replacement would benefit me. How is that bullshitting? The ratings ‘shield’ is intended to encourage players to pick up some surrendered positions and play them out. This is a service to the community that is very much appreciated, since everyone would prefer to play games with all the countries involved, but often the only games that get picked up are when the surrender occurs in a strong position because players do not want to risk their own ratings. The ratings shield, when active, gives you a ‘free play’, protecting your rating from any negative result but allowing you to still take advantage of anything you do manage to achieve. You can therefore take up a surrendered position without any risk to yourself (and maybe even get more points!). Secondly, the fact that the website rules encourages the replacement of speaks volumes to what is preferable in the Diplomacy community. Your personal views are hence wrong (this is how "house rules" for popular games are born) and irrelevant since you're already out of the game. Think of it as replacing a player in mafia who has left because people were tunneling him. Or replacing a player who has left the game abruptly in a 7 player FFA BW/SC2 match. Not perfect analogies but it does improve the game to replace him as the player who left the game has suddenly given some people advantages, and disadvantages to others. I don't mind whether it happens or not I was just being helpful to Artanis. He has helped me with BW before, we chat about stuff and I consider him my friend. ATM I'm just arguing the point because people are discouraging Artanis to join for reasons that are untrue and hilarious. | ||
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JieXian
Malaysia4677 Posts
it's fair for Artanis to replace Rayn but i don't know why you would want to do it :D it's more like joining a BW game when your opponent has 5 bases to your 2. Winning isn't impossible but it's unlikely. i think it's more like facing a zerg with 5 gases and ultralistk defiler ling without tanks and vessels... and with each Terran unit the zerg kills they get a free unit of equivalent value. The situation of Germany is that dire :D I only asked Artanis to join and gave him the link later on because he seemed so keen. This exchange feels like a fucking mafia game already hahahahahahahaha | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
On April 19 2016 01:34 JieXian wrote: I've made it explicitly clear that a replacement would benefit me. How is that bullshitting? mhm.... The rationale for this goes as such: by surrendering as germany, everyone who is attacking germany has gained an unfair advantage over people who have to struggle with fighting a dying but live player (me and italy) hahaha you sure did bro!!! you sure did! Anyways, i don't care what the "diplomacy community" says. I think it is unfair to replace people into the game where surrendering is a legit option GIVEN YOU BY THE GAME ITSELF. It is equivalent to a mafia game where choosing to kill yourself is an option but when one does so, the host decides to replace the player with another player. It is definitely NOT equivalent to what you are claiming here. idk, maybe i have just understood the purpose of the game wrong and diplomacy is not a game where people should try to win and win fair. Who knows... | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
On April 19 2016 01:34 JieXian wrote: ATM I'm just arguing the point because people are discouraging Artanis to join for reasons that are untrue and hilarious. This is something you can claim all you want. I know it is not true. You know it is not true. | ||
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