World Heavyweight Championship Mafia II

On March 24 2014 11:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:

You should also ban townie seals.

On March 25 2014 09:03 IAmRobik wrote:

NO! I have no other way to prove I'm town

On March 26 2014 08:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Town wins this belt.

On March 26 2014 08:13 Palmar wrote:

My idea kinda died anyway.

I just remembered that rayn also did a townclaim at the beginning of titanic, and that he didn't really in foundation, but reading back I found that he opened with that unvoting plan in default suspicion, so whatever.

On March 26 2014 13:13 IAmRobik wrote:

I mean...I agree that palmar is scum, but I disagree with your whole post. I took Rayn's post as a town claim, and I read him town from it (cause I'm the sick-nastiest at tone reads....and I read Rayn like a boss).

On March 26 2014 08:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:

I sometimes claim town as town, sometimes i claim town as scum. Sometimes i don't as either alignment.

On March 26 2014 08:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Over-explained answer could be indicative of scumshoe. He tried to over-explain shit last game (geript's PYP) as mafia and it backpedalled quite hard. He also knows i am a tunnely guy and he also knows my questions have motive behind them so therefore he knows he must answer to me.

Joke is a joke, but gumshoe getting possibly scared as scum was worth a try.

On March 26 2014 10:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why do you leave out the post where he contributes to my answer?

Why are you selectively quoting posts and not taking account the whole conversation?

On March 26 2014 13:52 IAmRobik wrote:
RAYN IS TOWN. I AM TOWN.

You already said Palmar is mafia. I share this sentiment. I don't know why you keep barraging me with these questions and keep saying not to read Rayn town.

Is there someone you can read well? Is there someone who people who unequivocally follow you if you said they're town/mafia? I am damn sure on Rayn this game. I am willing to reevaluate if it comes to some strange fucking mylo with a confirmed town and then rayn and me, but at this stage, you should just trust this read.

On March 26 2014 14:00 IAmRobik wrote:
Cause I'm just that damn good.

On March 26 2014 14:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:

incorrect.

I am also amused that Robik has called my alignment correctly out three times based on my usage / usagelessness. I don't know how he does it and i don't think it's alignment indicative but i am really interested in seeing is so some sort of psychic or what because i have a townread on him in this game. I don't believe Robik yet, i mean, i don't believe that's a reliable tell but we'll see about that when / if he does that a couple of times more and if he is right or wrong.

On March 26 2014 14:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
what the fuck are you talking about?

On March 26 2014 14:24 IAmRobik wrote:

you really don't want to keep your belt, do you?

On March 26 2014 13:33 IAmRobik wrote:
Cause I do read him town off of that 1 post mostly. Having said that, none of his posts this game have made me change my opinion of him. Also, he hasn't posted a smiley emoticon in the first few posts of his, which indicates further than he's town

Mafia Rayn would end this post with

On March 26 2014 13:47 IAmRobik wrote:
I've seen Rayn give up as mafia and I've seen Rayn tunnel as mafia. I've never seen a Rayn town game until this one. This read is so good that I'm close to me offering up my pinky toe as I did with Templar being town in Foundations.

On March 26 2014 14:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Maybe Holyflare is just retarded like in last game but i think thrawn is not so he must be mafia.

On March 26 2014 14:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Please just let go of this.

I am not going to address your case because it's shit. You are either not reading properly or you are mafia and if you are going to go with this i am not willing to talk to you. Do what the fuck you want then. I am not getting into 500 post shitfest with you because the only thing it does is distract me. I am also not going to tell you where your logic fails hard because someone else can do it for me and we get some reads off this.

If you are town i suggest you stop.

On March 26 2014 14:50 thrawn2112 wrote:
rayn I know that you have a lower opinion of my ability to read people than you do of HF's opinion. plus, calling holyflare "retarded like he was in las game" does not even make sense because last game holyflare caught mafia instantly

so you're givnig holyflare a town read based on a statement about his play last game which isn't accurate, and a "i think thrawn is smarter than HF so thrawn must be scum" argument when I know you repect HF's reads more than you do mine.

and like hf is saying, nothing you have said about robik has made any sense.

so what is going on?

On March 26 2014 14:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
The point is Robik apparently neither of Holyflare or thrawn has no fucking clue why i have a townread on you. It's certainly not because of the smiley thing because i clearly say that's not a reason to townread you. I have never stated why i have a townread on you but only Holyflare is stupid enough to make this dumb associations from something he has no clue about.

If thrawn thinks i would "scumslip" like that as mafia he must be mafia. Apparently he thinks so.

On March 26 2014 15:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Was there any townie in the game or in obs QT who said "wow Holyflare's case is so good and 100% proves DP is mafia"?

If not, why do you think being right for wrong reasons is "caught"?

On March 26 2014 15:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Your case on Palmar is reaching, your case on me is pure shit. You are either insane or mafia and discussing it with you does not help. Is there anything else?

On March 26 2014 15:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Also the things you said about Robik are hilarious.
I am more interested in what other people think about all this. There is nothing i want to discuss with you.

On March 26 2014 15:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:

This is 100% untrue. marv only said DP is mafia when he came back to thread at N1 start and didn't look at the flip but instead started reading the thread from where he had left. In fact at the end of D1 marv said he is "starting to think HF is scum for this retardo-tunnel".

So i am not sure if you think this is "marv pointed out the same things i did".

On March 26 2014 15:36 phagga wrote:

Can you explain us why you townread robik?

On March 26 2014 15:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:

What does this have to do with anything i have said?
I have never elaborated on if i think that's a legit way to form a read or not. I have said it's not scummy because i know that's how Robik reads people when he is town. He thinks it's a good way to form reads and so far he has been about 90% correct in his reads formed that way.

On March 26 2014 15:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like Robik has played three games on TL. Almost all the people he has played with here he has never played forum mafia with before. He forms reads like this all the time, in every single game, on almost every single person. It has nothing to do with meta, it has to do with tone, and that's why your logic is bad.

There is a difference between meta and tone.

On March 26 2014 15:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Because i wanted to see other people's opinions on this and i caught mafia!thrawn.

On March 26 2014 14:50 thrawn2112 wrote:
rayn I know that you have a lower opinion of my ability to read people than you do of HF's opinion. plus, calling holyflare "retarded like he was in las game" does not even make sense because last game holyflare caught mafia instantly

so you're givnig holyflare a town read based on a statement about his play last game which isn't accurate, and a "i think thrawn is smarter than HF so thrawn must be scum" argument when I know you repect HF's reads more than you do mine.

and like hf is saying, nothing you have said about robik has made any sense.

so what is going on?

On March 26 2014 16:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Because i thought you would see the difference between meta and tone.
I think it's quite clear from Robik's posts. Also if YOU had checked his meta (previous games) you would see this is what he ALWAYS does, and therefore it's a town tell or at worst a null tell (as he has never played as mafia on TL).

On March 26 2014 15:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like Holyflare. I really implied this many times, in almost all in my posts.
There is no way thrawn thinks i am mafia. If he was town he would have questioned me about my posts and intentions.

On March 26 2014 16:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:

No it's not because before this thrawn has voted for me.
Later on whehe he explains why he voted for me he does not say "at first it was pressure (or whatever) and seemed a bit scummy and then rayn did not explain himself despite me asking him to do so". He has really no intention of figuring out what i mean, i even say multiple times "you don't even know why i have a townread on Robik" yet he still assumes he knows why and does not ask me why nor does he re-think his vote.

On March 26 2014 16:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:

That's not true Holyflare.

On March 26 2014 13:33 IAmRobik wrote:
Cause I do read him town off of that 1 post mostly. Having said that, none of his posts this game have made me change my opinion of him. Also, he hasn't posted a smiley emoticon in the first few posts of his, which indicates further than he's town

Mafia Rayn would end this post with

On March 26 2014 13:47 IAmRobik wrote:
I've seen Rayn give up as mafia and I've seen Rayn tunnel as mafia. I've never seen a Rayn town game until this one. This read is so good that I'm close to me offering up my pinky toe as I did with Templar being town in Foundations.

On March 26 2014 16:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
He claims he knows my mafia play because he has seen it two times (and correctly called me out both of the times). Then he says he thinks i would put a smiley after my first post in case i was mafia and because i didn't to him it implicates i am town.

In the second quote he says this is his first game with me when i am town.

Where is the lie? He is not saying "rayn does this only as mafia and never does this as town". He is referring to this particular situation in this particular game. It's not a meta read as i already pointed out to you. Why is this so hard? He assumes my "tone" would be different if i was mafia.

On March 26 2014 14:43 IAmRobik wrote:

No they don't.

Let me expound: there are appropriate and inappropriate spots to use smiley faces. The two times Rayn was mafia, they were put in spots where they seemed forced to me. In my experience, it is more likely for mafia to post a smiley because they need to feign happiness. In the 2-3 mafia games that I've seen from Rayn, he's made a smiley emote that didn't sync with his post. It didn't jive well. I called him out on it. This game he didn't post a smiley. He didn't feel the need to. The one time that he did use it so far (that I've noticed), it was actually applicable. Like, you're going to read this and think it's shit and never believe it and never use it. That doesn't mean I'm not correct.

You can claim whatever you want holyflare. You're wrong on Rayn.

On March 26 2014 16:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Maybe you should check again because this is untrue.

Let me say in different words what rayn said: "I don't believe the smilie thing is a reliable tell, but we'll see about that when / if he does that in a couple more games and if he's right or wrong". That's how I understood it at least.

It's possible that you just misunderstood that second sentence, but rayn told you (at least once, perhaps even several times) that you are misreading it, and you just kept on pushing your points.

On March 26 2014 14:28 Holyflare wrote:
well that is what you are saying unless you are implying it to be true in future games instead and in that case it is badly phrased

On March 26 2014 14:29 Holyflare wrote:
and then you in fact have a town read on someone that called out your alignment based on a smiley face when he said he's only ever seen you play mafia once and never seen you play town so this read is actually 0% true because it has no backed up relevance for him to say

On March 26 2014 16:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:

The second quote is referring to this game and to another situation.

On March 26 2014 16:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:
For the last time, this is what Robik is saying:

"In last two games i have played with rayn he put a smiley on a place it did not belong in one of his first posts. Both times i called him out of it and i think that is indicative of him being mafia if he does so because he was mafia in those two games and that felt so off to me. In those games - at first - i was not 100% sure if he is mafia because of it but i now trust i can read him based on that (because i was right twice already).

In this game, if rayn was mafia, i think he would have put a smiley after his first post of the game. He didn't, so i think it's indicative of him being town. He hasn't put a smiley in places they "do not belong" after that, and nothing in his posts seems scummy, so that strengthens my read. In fact, the post he used a smiley in this game i think the smiley belonged there and it was not forced (which is the scumtell i recognize from earlier games with him)."

Now why is this simple logic so fucking hard to understand?

On March 26 2014 16:51 phagga wrote:

(1) So basically you have the same interpretation of that sentence now as I do?
(2)
But he has meanwhile explained his read, why is that not good?

On March 26 2014 16:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I have laready told why i think thrawn is mafia. How about you read my posts instead of arguing about nonsense Holyflare?

On March 26 2014 16:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:

That is a complete misrepresentation of what i have said about thrawn's play.

On March 26 2014 16:54 phagga wrote:


Again, you are either not reading correctly or twisting around words: Robik said "in the firsts posts, not the first post.

On March 26 2014 16:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:

That is a complete misrepresentation of what i have said about thrawn's play.

On March 26 2014 15:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:
To clarify. I think Holyflare is "capable" of using shitlogic like this because i have seen him doing that as town before. For example Holyflare defended vivax in the last game based on something he didn't know fuck about, he only knew half of the story.

thrawn however does not do this as town. He is mostly laid back, doesn't jump onto conclusions with incomplete informatio. Remember, that has nothing to do with maked bad calls (like in LXIV: restart) based on complete picture. I am talking about filling the puzzle with something he makes up himself. In fact the only time i have seen him do this is as mafia in Extractor trick which made me instantly catch him. And i think we have just seen the same thing here.

On March 26 2014 15:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:

So here you literally prove you have no idea why i am townreading Robik and have no intention of figuring that out. In my "game" post i never explain why i townread Robik, it's pretty clear from that post. You are too smart to make dumb conclusions based on incomplete information and that's why i think you are mafia.

On March 26 2014 17:08 phagga wrote:

That's only half his post, are you not reading the rest or what?

You're the one still pushing the point with the first post and the smiley, so why is it suddenly redundant?

On March 26 2014 13:13 IAmRobik wrote:

I mean...I agree that palmar is scum, but I disagree with your whole post. I took Rayn's post as a town claim, and I read him town from it (cause I'm the sick-nastiest at tone reads....and I read Rayn like a boss).

On March 26 2014 17:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Someone explain why thrawn's post is full of shit. You get +100 townie points.

On March 26 2014 17:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:

?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!? what....the....fuck?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

On March 26 2014 17:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I think we need to policy lynch Holyflare for the sake of this game's sanity.
But only on D2, D1 we lynch mafia.
I am not sure if Holyflare is mafia (inb4 he claims "rayn knows i am town").

On March 26 2014 16:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:

No it's not because before this thrawn has voted for me.
Later on whehe he explains why he voted for me he does not say "at first it was pressure (or whatever) and seemed a bit scummy and then rayn did not explain himself despite me asking him to do so". He has really no intention of figuring out what i mean, i even say multiple times "you don't even know why i have a townread on Robik" yet he still assumes he knows why and does not ask me why nor does he re-think his vote.

On March 26 2014 17:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:
marv please come here and stop Holyflare.
or phagga. or anyone with brain. lol, i have no idea what to think of this.

like, how can someone twist everything so badly.

the initial reason I voted for him which I haven';t explained until now, is the tone of his "game" post. it looks very fake and not liek something I expect rayn to write regardless of whatever I think about the content of the post. as to the content...

On March 26 2014 14:19 thrawn2112 wrote:
rayn are you scumreading robik? just say it if you are

On March 26 2014 17:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Okay take a break for a while or read the thread again, it's not so big.
You are repeatedly jumping to conclusions that are false just because you assume you know better than the person who made those posts in the first place. Everything i have said i have explained and it makes perfect sense (besides the last thrawn post but i want opinions first before i state my conclusions on that). If you are town don't jump on the first conclusion you can remotely think of, think a bit more please. You are better than this.

On March 26 2014 17:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:

I am sorry i genuinely wanted other people's opinions on me before being clear. I could have told you where you go wrong in the first place but that would have probably ended up in thrawn getting away with his shit.

On March 26 2014 17:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:

I don't get this. Can you elaborate more?

On March 26 2014 17:44 thrawn2112 wrote:
lol what happened?

On March 26 2014 17:45 thrawn2112 wrote:


hmm?

On March 26 2014 17:47 thrawn2112 wrote:
which one of those is town? i'm that one

On March 26 2014 17:49 thrawn2112 wrote:
is that british slang? i'm pretty sure jobber is?

On March 26 2014 17:52 Palmar wrote:
objection:



What have the sentences got to do with each other?

rayn does claim town, he even clarifies later that he was claiming town.
rayn claiming town doesn't say anything about his alignment.

On March 26 2014 17:59 Palmar wrote:

How on earth do you read his post if not that he is implying that he is part of town?

On March 26 2014 13:18 Holyflare wrote:


How can you say that when in his own words it is alignment null? If you think that is a town claim you need to brush up on town claims. If he was mafia and saw how stacked town was he would say "town wins this belt" if he was town he could also say "town wins this belt" because town hasn't won any of the belts so far. If I had to look at it from an initial stand point it looks like rayn is saying he is scum because how could he possibly know that town would win this belt if he doesn't know who is a part of town?



Also, Have you not been reading? Why take this as a town tell when the player himself says it isn't?

On March 26 2014 18:02 Palmar wrote:
I'm still not following you.

You seem to be confusing claims with tells.

On March 26 2014 18:05 Palmar wrote:

yes, I'm glad we agree!

On March 26 2014 18:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Palmar you just need to vote for thrawn.

On March 26 2014 18:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:

I'll be honest with you because you keep bringing this up again and again.
I don't need to convince anyone but marv because he is the one who will be listened to anyways.
So i am waiting for him to come here.

On March 26 2014 18:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Because it doesn't mean shit. Why would i want to convince someone who is acting dumb and still has his vote on me despite agreeing with me on my lynch target? Or someone who has a case on me and who i think is mafia? The only people i can now convince are people who think i am mafia, and i don't give a fuck about people who think i am mafia. Noone else has said what they do think about my case so they don't need convincing (as they have not said they disagree).

I would rather convince other people, like marv who can sway every single vote.

On March 26 2014 18:40 phagga wrote:
Holyflare: rayn is always and under every circumstance gonna value your opinion/ability higher than thrawns.

On March 26 2014 18:42 phagga wrote:
Is it? That would surprise me. So do you agree with thrawns argument there?

On March 26 2014 18:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:

No necessarily true.

On March 26 2014 18:48 phagga wrote:

But he never considers the possibility of it not being true.

On March 26 2014 18:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:

That "evidence" is a pile of shit. If a random noob makes more sense than marv i value their opinion more than marv's. That's a pile of shit because everyone who has any idea of how i play does not buy that shit thrawn says as town, not even he himself.

On March 26 2014 18:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Yes and that's not true and everyone knows that, including you and thrawn. Unless you have no idea how i play which i don't believe.

On March 26 2014 18:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:

IF YOU REALLY THINK I WAS SERIOUS IN WHAT I SAID IN THE BEGINNING OF TITANIC GAME YOU ARE AN IDIOT. LITERALLY AN IDIOT. or mafia.

On March 26 2014 18:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:

because it is not true and it doesn't even have anything to do with what thrawn says.
It is an instance where thrawn was really stupid but that does not mean i think he will always be that stupid.
rofl.

On March 26 2014 19:16 phagga wrote:


Regarding 1, I still see it as a valid point. And what do you mean with "because to anyone outside you or thrawn or me it looks solid"? I don't get what you want so say with this.

Regarding 2, you mean this post, right? I missed that, my fault.

On March 26 2014 19:25 marvellosity wrote:

Can you not play like this this game? It'll get annoying quite fast.

On March 26 2014 19:36 marvellosity wrote:

I don't know if you dropped this later, but you're pressing this way too hard. It seems extremely obvious to me that Robik is the type of player who will leap to hard conclusions off little to no evidence (correctly or incorrectly). I have no idea why you'd think what he's doing is outside of his normal remit

On March 26 2014 19:55 marvellosity wrote:
this rayn-holy argument is the most annoying thing ever.

Tempting to policy thrawn for gloating about rayn not knowing why he's voting for him. Basically an asshat move. I like lynching asshats.

On March 26 2014 17:56 thrawn2112 wrote:
yeah i have no issues with the way rayn explained hiw town read on robik. but that explanation came when hf grilled rayn for that explanation, it was never part of rayn's intitial useless and confusing statements about robik being town where rayn had basically assumed that robik was town from the very start of that "game" post

On March 26 2014 18:01 thrawn2112 wrote:
it turns out that i accidently "lied" about something and rayn isn't spamming the thread about it. he's magia

On March 26 2014 20:13 prplhz wrote:
okay up to date but i don't really have a single read so far but the town atmosphere is really bad, play nice okay?

On March 26 2014 21:25 phagga wrote:

Right from my memory, no.

It's just such a stupid vote that I thought it was a joke (since he did not vote in the voting thread), and then HF and marv both comment on how weak that vote was, and I started second guessing my judgement of it.

On March 26 2014 22:41 marvellosity wrote:

Stop not answering my question bish

On March 26 2014 23:30 Palmar wrote:
Not read thrawn. All i know is he jumped rayn incorrectly. No idea if it makes him mafia

On March 27 2014 00:20 marvellosity wrote:

prplhz's was the best though

On March 27 2014 00:24 marvellosity wrote:
You need to hurry up and catch up so that you're aware you're sheeping my wagon even though you voted it first. Chop chop.

On March 27 2014 00:45 prplhz wrote:
@holyflare i don't understand the thrawn case

On March 27 2014 03:30 Palmar wrote:

fair enough, I get it now.

Do you think marv's push against me is genuine?

On March 27 2014 15:22 thrawn2112 wrote:
you called palmar scum, you called robik scum, you called rayn scum, then you called me scum, and that's all only in the first few pages of the game. i don't have a problem with someone being a loose cannon, but the problem is that the scumread you decided to "focus" on always happens to be the one that would allow you to look "best" considering current thread sentiment.

like earlier, marv asked you something about palmar. you said you'd lynch palmar after me.

so what does that mean? what is your actual read on palmar? you also ignored my question about marv's case

On March 27 2014 17:11 Palmar wrote:

No I know, which is why I generally don't claim it when I do, I do it occasionally in games where the role doesn't matter at all on day 1.

On March 27 2014 01:44 marvellosity wrote:
oki doki :D

you have until tonight/tomorrow anyway (depending how impatient I am). Who knows, I might even be wrong. It's so boring catching mafia within 24h of every single game, so I'd prefer it if you were actually town and could show me. It would be much more interesting for me personally.

On March 27 2014 02:17 marvellosity wrote:
What? I know my case against you, I'm just not interested in making it right now.

I'm happy to talk about anything else in the meantime.

On March 27 2014 16:39 thrawn2112 wrote:
how do you mean? are you talking about how i'm posting now or earlier? i don't think there should be any difference rgith now

On March 27 2014 17:32 thrawn2112 wrote:
i don't know if you are my top scumread. if i had to answer that question superficially the answer would probably be "yes." but there are all these layers of paranoid association reads getting in the way, plus it seems like when you aren';t doing something I find scummy, you're doing something I find townie.....

so I have no idea. and now palmar comes out with his claim of not having read his PM, which I guess is most likely to be true because I know he's done it before.

why am I different? lol, I wish I knew. I think I have this problem where if I play too many games in a row I start forgetting how to find mafia or something

you are making statements but not doing the digging

On March 27 2014 18:17 thrawn2112 wrote:


you aren';t factoring his "i haven't read my role PM claim"?

if it's true then marv's case literally counts for nothing. if he hasn;t read his PM then the only way you can reasonably call palmar mafia is if you do it by PoE

tldr: Palmar doesn't care about finding mafia, even though he kinda tries to make it look like he's interested. He has no real reads on anyone even though he's given superficial reads which require no thought. He's inconsistent in a spineless way re:gumshoe. His attitude towards me has been pretty spineless because frankly he doesn't know how to deal with me, whereas if he were town he'd smack me down rather than practically have me make him vote me. The dude is mafia.

On March 27 2014 06:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Actually just fuck it.
See you in 24 hours or so.
Policy.

##unvote
##vote prplhz
I don't even give a fuck if he is mafia or not because if he is not he is still playing towards mafia win condition.
I am not going to post until one of us dies.

On March 27 2014 18:32 thrawn2112 wrote:


you just told me that it's pointless to think about marv's case becaue palmar hasn't read the pm

do you not understand what not reading a role PM means? it means you don't have the knowledge that scum has, it means that you are posting without knowing alignments. if someone hasb;t read their PM then it's absoultey impossible to figure out their alignment other than using PoE

as to the policy lynch question

honestly i would like to policy lynch him but I'm never able to follow through on those. i'm definitely going to include a rule about reading your role PM in future games

if you're gonna even try to figure out palmar's alignment then you must be open to the idea that he is lying about not reading his pm. is that what you're suggesting?

On March 27 2014 17:24 Holyflare wrote:


marv y u say you could be wrong but then say that u haz actual case very soon after?

On March 27 2014 18:38 marvellosity wrote:

it's not possible to think someone is mafia but also think you might be wrong? what sort of question is this?

On March 27 2014 18:45 marvellosity wrote:

What the fuck is wrong with you, Holy?

I think I've caught Palmar, my case is already ready, but there exists a world where marv is incorrect and maybe Palmar will show he's town? I literally don't understand what you're asking or why I'm having to say this, it's 100% obvious?

On March 27 2014 18:48 marvellosity wrote:

You're not covering any bases, you're asking me retarded questions with fucking obvious answers if you just apply some basic reading comprehension? How and why does it not apply to the first quoted bit? What are you saying? Why are you so stupid?

On March 27 2014 19:06 Palmar wrote:

I never intended to really reveal that I hadn't read my role pm, I've done it without saying anything about it before. It's not a trap because I never intended to catch anyone. The reason I didn't post more than I did had nothing to do with whether or not I know my alignment.

On March 27 2014 17:25 Holyflare wrote:
and palmar if marv didn't make this push on you and he wasn't in the game, who would be mafia? because you aint said shit about it and marv has been a relatively little bit of the posting in the thread so far

On March 27 2014 19:21 marvellosity wrote:

Are you actually mafia? I'm finding it hard to believe you are genuinely this idiotic

On March 27 2014 19:23 marvellosity wrote:
there wasn't a question, there was a moronic statement.

On March 27 2014 19:27 marvellosity wrote:
unless your argument is that whenever you think someone is mafia, there is a 0% chance they prove you wrong later??

On March 27 2014 19:32 Palmar wrote:

Why? it's irrelevant now isn't it?

On March 27 2014 19:34 Palmar wrote:

Yeah but how can I reasonably call you scum or stupid when you refuse to provide any content to back up your stupidity.

I said as much "my entire case on you is that you called me mafia".

On March 27 2014 19:35 Palmar wrote:

But that's like cheating

On March 27 2014 18:16 Koshi wrote:

Vote Count

IAmRobik (0)- thrawn2112,

Palmar (3)- IAmRobik, Holyflare, marvellosity, thrawn2112, prplhz

raynpelikoneet (0)- thrawn2112, Holyflare

thrawn2112 (3)- raynpelikoneet, phagga, Holyflare, Palmar, gumshoe

marvellosity (1)- prplhz, Palmar, Palmar

prplhz (1): raynpelikoneet

Currently nobody is set to be lynched. You have left. If you see a mistake please notify me.
Also PM me for obs QT

On March 27 2014 20:00 Palmar wrote:
@HF you have to say why you believe marv's bullshit so I can laugh at you in the postgame. No sheeple voting please.

On March 27 2014 20:09 Palmar wrote:

Your post is so retarded. If marv is scum it's 1/7 people.

You know I often tend to miss one mafia early on in the game. I can't say with any kind of confidence who I think is the last mafia, but I did bring up some good points.

Like anyone who says "scumhunt ignoring this person you think is scum" just has no idea how I function at all.

On March 26 2014 08:03 Palmar wrote:
I win this belt.

On March 27 2014 20:27 Palmar wrote:
You guys should all totally read the first 5.5 pages of marv's filter if your reason is that I didn't do anything in the game up until that point.

On March 27 2014 20:34 Palmar wrote:
Fine screw it.

Will check my role pm later tonight

On March 27 2014 19:41 Holyflare wrote:


Thrawn's "top" scum read is me and he said it was beause I was pushing whoever was ideal at the time. Palmar, Robik, Rayn etc. Look at where his votes have landed. On everyone that he said was "opportune" at the time. Yet, he is scum reading me for this exact thing that he is doing?

No. He has wall of text notes that point out things but then comes to no conclusion other than I am scum for doing a better version of what he did. He said marv's case best case and has unsheeped it? Doesn't add up at all.

On March 27 2014 21:44 Palmar wrote:
Checked my role because I'm mad. Am doctor get off me.

I also hold very strong values other players sometimes don't get. For one I am very much a believer in policy lynches. I also hold townies extremely responsible for getting lynched and I consider it a great failure on my part if I do end up getting lynched. I never make excuses for my absence, I do not condone lying and roleclaimers on day 1 get the lynch without discussion, no matter the situation

On March 28 2014 00:00 IAmRobik wrote:

all i'm hearing from reading your posts is that you think marv is mafia and yet you're voting for palmar, who marv is pushing. I don't fucking get it. Maybe something changes in the next couple of pages/minutes. This is all very strange to me.

I'll be around for like another 20 minutes then I'm not going to be able to check the thread reliably until deadline. Will reluctanctly vote Palmar kind of because what marvellosity and IAmRobik has said, the lazy vote and IAmRobik's "tonal read", not even going to try explaining that at all because it's completely impossible to explain. Reluctantly because I also kind of agree with some of the things he is saying. Game is hard yo.

##Vote Palmar

On March 27 2014 01:46 prplhz wrote:
LAL

##Vote marvellosity

On March 28 2014 01:24 gumshoe wrote:
I just want to say, palmers claim of not reading his role pm may seem null but it is inherently a scummy thing to do, its fine for voices and shit where no one cares but in forum your job is two fold / : find scum and prove your towniness, without reading your role pm you make goal number 2 impossible, you cannot be read and that is terrible for town. Voting plamer.

On March 28 2014 01:53 gumshoe wrote:


Cause I'm not there yet : P and I disagree, bieng readable is a big part of bieng town, if you make your self unreadable you can't be trusted. I'm not going to argue with you about this because it's retarded to think otherwise.

On March 28 2014 02:14 IAmRobik wrote:
your so dumb hf

On March 28 2014 02:09 gumshoe wrote:
And I'm caught up now, thoughts on the claim are thus. If doc was considering counter claiming, they should strike the thought entirely, right now palmers either making shit up ( in which case he could be lying about bieng doc even if he's town, as his scum claim illustrates) or he's scum. So a counter claim is unlikely to avail us, just out t