World Heavyweight Championship Mafia II - Page 4

thrawn2112

United States6918 Posts

March 27 2014 23:16 GMT

#1078

every time i reach a point where I think my read or reads my be getting somewhere useful, something f'd up happens. my reads have been reset to null 3 times so far.

and i don't think i'm playing against wincon. i spent a real long time reading the entire thread and posting all those notes, tbh the only reason I did that was because I knew I needed to in order to not get lynched. i wish something more productive would have come out of it, and I was working on part 4 and then I read your palmar case, and decided i liked it better than anything I'd thought of so far.

so I don't know what you mean by trolling unless you're only talking about my ramen comment

thrawn2112

United States6918 Posts

March 27 2014 23:19 GMT

#1080

i unvoted becaue of his "haven't read role PM claim" which imo invalidates anything you can say about his play being scummy. i came back to it once i saw that he read his role PM and decided not to try and save himself

thrawn2112

United States6918 Posts

March 27 2014 23:34 GMT

#1085

well then you should have just said that yesterday

thrawn2112

United States6918 Posts

March 28 2014 00:00 GMT

#1088

you sorta think i might be town because prplhz should be policy lynched?

thrawn2112

United States6918 Posts

March 28 2014 00:05 GMT

#1089

and why is it ok to policy vote for prplhz over palmar and not prplhz over thrawn?

thrawn2112

United States6918 Posts

March 28 2014 03:47 GMT

#1142

if you are anyone other than marv, rayn, or ribok please let me know if you're around. i'll be here for the rest of the night and i'd like to talk to anyone that isn't those people about their reads

thrawn2112

United States6918 Posts

March 28 2014 04:38 GMT

#1143

specifially I want to talk to holyflare and phagga. I can't discount gumshoe yet, but I think he's town.

i dont relly know what to do about prplhz because i know he probably wont show up so I'll just have to see if I end up clearing everyone else first

thrawn2112

United States6918 Posts

March 28 2014 06:33 GMT

#1144

I think rayn, marv, and robik are pretty obviously town. I think the way gumshoe has attacked palmar at the beginning (would have been a buss right from the start) and rayn just recently (if he's mafia he's picking a strange target to call mafia) indicates that he is town. Holyflare? eh. I still think some of the stuff he's done is scummy but my heart is telling me that he's probably town and I'm just a bit annoyed with him. I think his personality in this game is much the same as his dick-town personality from his last game, and I must give him some town points for pointing out palmar's slip, whihc is really the first thing that made me reasses my early town read on palmar. Then there's prplhz, and I'm not exactly sure how I'm supposed to go about reading him? I don't really think he's mafia though, just on the tone of his posts. I'm curious if marv has any tips on reading prplhz.

So that leaves phagga, who I think is mafia.

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On March 26 2014 16:32 phagga wrote:

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Haven't read everything past this post: You have twisted rayns words around. Rayn never says he reads robik town because of his smilies, as was explained before. Also:

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Let me say in different words what rayn said: "I don't believe the smilie thing is a reliable tell, but we'll see about that when / if he does that in a couple more games and if he's right or wrong". That's how I understood it at least.

It's possible that you just misunderstood that second sentence, but rayn told you (at least once, perhaps even several times) that you are misreading it, and you just kept on pushing your points.

So, I don't like your position currently. Will read the rest of the thread now.

"I don't like your position currently." What does this have to do with finding mafia? Phagga has made it pretty clear that he thinks holyflare is on the "incorrect" side of this rayn/hf argument, but he concludes nothing about holyflare's alginment despite this. I am not even saying that phagga should be calling hf scum here, jsut that he should at least have an opinion on holyflare's alignment if he's going to go to all the trouble of combating holyflare's arguments.

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On March 26 2014 22:47 phagga wrote:

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I don't like his non-comment on HF/rayn, and the fact that on D1 Palmar would normally be working harder for a lynch (although is still rather early in the day, that might change). But I wouldn't lynch him over Thrawn currently.

The bolded part is what makes phagga mafia. I think it is odd that he felt that he needed to include that last line. IF phagga is mafia then he knows palmar is mafia, and he knows that he needs to be careful when talking about palmar. So I think that his answer of "yes, I agree that palmar is scummy, but I don't want to lynch him" is a very tactful way of allowing himself to not disagree that his teammate isn't scum, yet still keep his vote on a townie.

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On March 27 2014 17:13 phagga wrote:

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rayn - Several points that I liked through the game: Behaviour around Palmar-gumshoe, His explanations regarding robik, his robik-read, his case on thrawn
HF - town for HF/rayn-argument
gumshoe - probably town for his exchange with Palmar
IAmRobik - leaning town, I can follow his explanations about tone and the storyline holds up
marv - I have no clue. He is being such a dick with witholding information that I feel unsure now
prplhz - Null. Scummy points: no reads after readthrough, very passive, townie points: is prplhz
Palmar - might be scum. I don't know what he is doing or what he hopes to achieve, but it doesn't really remind me of town Palmar, and I cannot see a townie motivation behind is behaviour
thrawn - scum

Some of these reads aren't even reads. By that I mean that doesn't actually define the reads in a way that allows people to hold him accountable for them either. The reads on prplhz/palmar are what I'm talking about. The other reads are based off an ill-explained small pieces of information. I also think it is interesting that he had the most to say about palmar, yet his read was still inconclusive.

So now we have to ask, did phagga bus palmar?

His vote was the 5th vote on the palmar wagon, which is generally within the range when "I guess my partner is being lynched for sure" buss votes pile on. I don't know why phagga decided to change his vote. Once he initially voted for me during the early game he was pretty set on lynching me for most of the day, while being mostly wishy washy about palmar. So why did this change? Once it was clear that palmar was going to be lynched, phagga became all about that palmar lynch, and this is why I think phagga changed his mind about lynching thrawn before palmar, because he knew he needed to end up on the palmar wagon.

thrawn2112

United States6918 Posts

March 28 2014 06:48 GMT

#1146

yours was in such a small amount of time, i'm talking about the first few pages of the game. it was like 10 or something pages into the game or something and you had already called most of the people mafia, and it felt very oppurtunistic, especailly how you went from buddying me while voting rayn to voting for me so quickly

thrawn2112

United States6918 Posts

March 28 2014 06:50 GMT

#1147

and hypocrisy doesn't mean shit

thrawn2112

United States6918 Posts

March 28 2014 06:53 GMT

#1148

any comments on what i've written about phagga?

thrawn2112

United States6918 Posts

March 28 2014 07:01 GMT

#1150

no?

thrawn2112

United States6918 Posts

March 28 2014 07:02 GMT

#1151

if you're talking about what i'm thinking you are then he did slip that i'm town, yes

thrawn2112

United States6918 Posts

March 28 2014 07:02 GMT

#1153

you don't want to talk about phagga?

thrawn2112

United States6918 Posts

March 28 2014 07:06 GMT

#1155

where is this slip?

thrawn2112

United States6918 Posts

March 28 2014 07:12 GMT

#1156

really holyflare?

thrawn2112

United States6918 Posts

March 28 2014 07:22 GMT

#1158

On March 28 2014 16:14 Holyflare wrote:
The part where he loves to lynch all liars and agrees that you lied when me and rayn were talking about you and then 180's on you completely and ignores everything about you.

i didn't lie, nothing in the shit you said I did consitutes a lie, saying it does over and over doesn't make it true

On March 28 2014 16:14 Holyflare wrote:

Or the part where you scum read me for jumping on people within 10 minutes or whatever bs you're talking about but your voting pattern is way more erratic and doing the same thing.

hypocrisy =/= mafia. and just based on how your phrasing my arguments I can tell you aren't even thinking about them

On March 28 2014 16:14 Holyflare wrote:
Or the part where palmar slips you are scum when we question him.

you need evidence?

On March 28 2014 16:14 Holyflare wrote:
Or the part where you unvote and start to defend palmar but then drop away completely without a care.

So what? I actually believed his nonreading role Pm claim because I've seen him do it before. at that point in the game I finally had a read a felt realyl good about, then he comes in and says something that could completely invalidate the read (you even agreed with this when I asked you about mar'vs case on palmar and you told me that it doesn't mean anything because palmar hadn't read his PM)

On March 28 2014 16:14 Holyflare wrote:
Or the part where you still scum read me even though i claimed doc and pointed out palmar was scum

news to me

On March 28 2014 16:14 Holyflare wrote:
Or the part where you comment on everything in the game but your only conclusion was that i was scum when everyone else thought it made me town

and this makes me scum how?

On March 28 2014 16:14 Holyflare wrote:
Or the part where you wrote wall of text notes and conclude nothing else about anything. Or the part where you only really start to ask questions to people when palmar starts dying/has died?

so you want me to jsut stfu? not going to happen. after i wrote those walls i knew I wasn't going to be lynched. when i woke up and saw that palmar had basically scumclaimed there was nothing to talk about until after the flip

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so how about you either fuck off or actually start playing the game? what do you think about phagga?

thrawn2112

United States6918 Posts

March 28 2014 07:31 GMT

#1160

which interaction? where he questions palmar over semi important things, then ends up with this "i dont know what palmar is doing maybe he's scum maybe he's town" read?