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i think you are wanting to know how much extra effort the themed part of the setup requires? | ||
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hm? | ||
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On March 30 2014 06:22 Hopeless1der wrote: maybe he wants to vote rayn for @Slam theres a vote thread why would you think to say that? | ||
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but why are we voting rayn? | ||
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kita why did you tell me to vote for rayn? kita why did i vote for rayn kita why rayn why? | ||
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On March 30 2014 11:00 kitaman27 wrote: I start most games out with a random vote. Why is this your biggest concern when I clearly voted for rayn at the point where he hardly even has a post? Are you unfamiliar with the concept or do you think that my vote had malicious intentions? I'm curious as to why you would tell people to sheep your vote and then vote for them when they do? | ||
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he votes for rayn and tells someone else to sheep him i vote rayn, my vote is just as obviously random and dumb as kita's kita says my random sheeping of his random vote is scummy? I want to know why. | ||
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On March 30 2014 12:33 Tehpoofter wrote: @Thrawn why vote slam? I mean I did pretty much make the best case that has ever or will ever be created in the history of man but you didn't even quote it here to praise me for my amazingness..... Please explain. kush's points are better | ||
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On March 30 2014 06:36 kitaman27 wrote: Not providing an explanation for my vote, though someone should totally join me. What makes you say that? he implies that he has a reason for voting rayn but that he doesn't want to say it yet he also asks people to sheep him So I obliged his sheep request and asked for the real reason, to try and figure out exactly how much of his vote was random and how much of it wa because he had a real reason to vote rayn. Apparently it was completely an rvs vote, and now he thinks I'm scummy for obliging his request to sheep his rvs vote. I still haven't gotten an answer as to why he asks people to sheep him, and then he votes for the people that sheep him. Especially since it all meant nothing anyway, I don't know how he turned it into a scumread on me. | ||
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it can't be buddying because i did not buddy him | ||
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On March 30 2014 13:07 Alakaslam wrote: Ya I'm planar dragon of interplanetary mega bamcis NK POWAH, I will NK the whole scumteam in one fell swoop Make sure u lynch me or NK watch this why do you complaign about not being able to post because nobody is here then when people are here you don't post anything helpful | ||
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slam maybe you should ask the bird who is mafia? tell me what he says please? | ||
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On March 30 2014 14:03 kushm4sta wrote: So slam is either 1. survivor 2. scum lying about being survivor im inclined to believe 1, knowing how alaka approaches playing scum. unvote do you think he is scum or town if you ignore his claiming nonsense? | ||
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I hope that you follow through with the research becaause otherwise you just wasted 30 minutes did you have an opinion about kita in mind before you started that? | ||
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i guess that's scummy | ||
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it could mean that he doesn't undersatnd (1st post) and would like to understand (2nd post) if that's what you're talking about i'm not sure why it's "really scummy." | ||
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no rayn you don't get to turn this on me. I asked the question about his alignment first, and you completely avoided saying anything at all about his play. so answer the question | ||
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i have 0 scumreads | ||
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I think rayn is town | ||
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On March 30 2014 06:25 Hopeless1der wrote: because the alternative means i need to be a dick to kita and i dont wanna do that right now. On March 31 2014 04:26 Hopeless1der wrote: Slam you have no chance of reasoning with rayn. The best thing you can hope for is that he diverts onto some other sucker in the meantime. | ||
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On March 31 2014 06:19 Hopeless1der wrote: cool, you guys can face rayn's ire when i flip town. are you going to play the game? | ||
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i gave them but i just changed my mind because he has confirmed that he's playing to his useless town meta | ||
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eh. i hope austin posts soon | ||
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about the slam stuff, i literaly don't want to talk about it any more. but I will answer this question. i do not think that his wincon interferes with my win con. if he is survivor then he knows that he needs to obey town or else possible town kp will remove him. so i don't think that lynching him is the best way to deal with him. | ||
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"roleplayer?" "oh yeah it's the research guy" "mebbe town" i swear all these thoughts happened within 10 seconds | ||
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1. hopeless is heavly implying that he is intentionally playing in a way so that people find him scummy. last game he claimed to do this as some sort of strategy. or as he noted in this game (although jokingly) he is doing it for the sake of his 'always scummy as either alignment" meta. so is he town and doing either of those two things or is he scum and taking advantage of people's expectations of his play? 2. did you have a read on slam before you sent him on a mission? | ||
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if you want to lynch someone, it is required that you give an opinion about their alignment. | ||
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![]() i remember wc2 though. that one is hard to forget | ||
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and you think he is scum because his read of you is based on poor meta reasoning? lol would you expect him to have a good understanding of meta? | ||
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next person i vote for is in for a surprise so don't be scummy | ||
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i don't really have strong feelings about anyone being mafia though lol. idk wtf is going on o.0 | ||
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i will say that i have read the thread and i'm not impressed with the push to lynch rayn but i'm not really willing lynch kita for it. usually weird trap plays that don't seem to make too much sense come from town, and that is enough for me to ignore kita's bad case against rayn. as stated before i am soooo down to lynch a lurker. i notived some people mentioning gumshoe and i'm perfectly fine with that | ||
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i think slam has demonstrated that he doesn't know alignments. so at least, i don't think he is scum. idc if he is survivor. hell he can stay till endgame if he likes, as long as he doesn't fuck things up. gumshoe has not demonstrated anything except his willingness to be useless | ||
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On April 01 2014 05:31 JarJarDrinks wrote: Cause there's a chance he's town. There's no chance Slam is. who gives a fuck about that. the question you should be asking is "is there a chance X is scum" then you will lynch gumshoe | ||
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On April 01 2014 06:34 Toadesstern wrote: I'm basicly saying, it doesn't look like thrawn cared about Rayn being lynched despite having him as 100% certain town I do get why you are saying this. I didn't put much effort into saving rayn for one reason. I had to leave the thread for an hour and when I returned I was still busy.... and I didn't think town was willing to listen to reason. So, two reasons, actually. I was busy before deadline, the thread was being stubborn, and I was more interested in trying to get gumshoe lynched instead of trying to save rayn. Er.... 3 reasons! Yes, three reasons for not being vocal about rayn! Business, thread stubbornness, I cared more about gumshoe, and tbh i was too demotivated to try and play the game because people like jarjar think that you don't have to worry about lynching mafia on d1. So 4 reasons! that's it, 4 reasons! nobody expects the spanish inquisition | ||
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I still thnk that kita was probably right, that there wern't that many mafia members on D1. Or even if it was some sort of X role (i cant remember the role name, it';s where you are mafia but dont know alignments and your team has to find you) then they would still be hard to find becaue they'd be posting without information about alignments, so they would look like town. So I think the remaining (likely few, or few "catchable" mafia) would be on the rayn wagon. kushm4sta, hopeless1der, kitaman27, Amiko, raynpelikoneet (5) hosts can you clarify that the final votecount which showed 6 on rayn is correct I didnt pay full attention to the argument slam had about the votecounts but didn't hosts confirm that the count was accurate? that would be there are some hidden voting mechanics going on. People need to claim this ASAP if this is the case imo. So who on that list is likely to be mafia? I doubt it's kita. I was slightly townreading him for his gimmick at the start of the game, and he made a very casual post near the deadline about "here comes the swtich" which I don't excpect to come form a scum player who is about to get their mislynch. I don't thionk hopeless is scum, i'd like to sheep rayn and austin's reads on him. Amiko I previously thought was town, I will read his filter again and tell you what I think in a bit. But I remember townreading him for all the research he did at the start of the game. and that leads me to..... KUSH get the fuck in here | ||
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I am awful as mafia. If I suddenly turn mafia and know alignments, my activitey will drop and I will not be able to talk about reads. So the scum team would be very stupid to yak me. | ||
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maybe scum got scared when the gumshoe votes started piling on? again, if this is your doing then you need to calim responsibility now and not later. | ||
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On April 01 2014 11:48 Tehpoofter wrote: What do you think about JJD? He has a small filter its easy to read so check it out. I don't like the position he took where he decide to ignore lynching scum and instead take the "safer route." But I don't think makes him mafia, because he did stay in the thread up till the end and he was trying to get his slam lynch though. So he at least cared about his lynch. rayn was set to be lynched, and rayn was town, so what reason would a scum jarjar have to stay in the thread? -so he gets "possible" scum points for not rying to lynch mafia over a possible 3rd party -but he gets town points for at least having the guts the stay in the thread till the lynch and make his case -and "town" points because mafia JJD had no reason to do what he did, since rayn was set to be lynched | ||
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fact: rayn is town fact: whoever caused the extra vote did not claim it (future fact: the voter will probably not claim his vote) seems like a mafia power to me. | ||
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what I do know of dr who (i've watched like 1.5 seasons) makes me think that maybe scum's wincon is to convert all of us into them or reach a point where nothing can prevent that from happening? hopefully that is the case because then everyone can win if town's bad enough! anyways, anyone want to chat? | ||
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hmmm. gumshoe obviously. i would like vivax to talk more, no matter his alignment it will be very good for town if he were to talk more. i wanna hear what kita has to say now that he can't talk about rayn. i'm kinda hoping that some people will wake up feeling a bit.... different... tomorrow. as it is i have waaay too many non-scum reads. | ||
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can you claim your role? | ||
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But it's not like it has much of anything to do with his alignment, because he could be telling the truth as either alignment. And there's nothing he's done all game that's made me think he's mafia so right now austin is a super green read. Most recent;y the way he went about doing the town/scum djo thing and the conclusions he drew from his own efforts were really townie and probably hard to fake as mafia | ||
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On April 02 2014 09:47 kitaman27 wrote: You still think kush is sketchy? When I went to look at him originally, I found these quotes from persona and golden sun where he was town, which seems to match the same mentality this game. It lines up with his position of not lynching slam and suggesting that we look at those that do since mafia are likely to go after third party targets. His post length seems to be what I would expect from a town kush as well. so my read on kush is kinda fucked 1) going into N1 i was more interested in hearing from him. i town read him early, but he hadn't done much so I needed to see him post more. AND since I was townreading so many other people and felt more confident about those reads, I thought he muight just be scum because of PoE 2) i thought that the hidden vote mechanic must come from mafia 3) kush claims the hidden vote 4) now I think kush is town again lol it was the way he claimed it that made me think he's town. he wasn't defensive about it and didn't seem to understand that people would find him suspicious for using a hidden vote to lynch town rayn. if he was scum he probably would have not claimed it or the claim would have been at least a bit defensive | ||
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On April 02 2014 11:24 JarJarDrinks wrote: So it seems no one has a problem w/ me firing my nuke @ slam? Unless someone tries to convince me otherwise I'll do it sometime tomorrow morning. why aren't you firing it at kita? during the night you said you were treating him as "confirmed scum" | ||
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GUMSHOE!! Are you aware that this thread exists? | ||
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On April 02 2014 14:21 gumshoe wrote: Cause Artanis set up so fun: D in all seriousness I'm pretty much caught up. Will provide awesome case tommorow on super scum read. Also wouldn't mind a mass claim, might help tell us what exactly scum is capable of. can't you just say something now? you are sorta holding the game hostage | ||
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On April 02 2014 14:27 gumshoe wrote: And if you ever wanna see it again, you will paint me a sketch that us sum irises the whole game perfectly :D ![]() | ||
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are you? | ||
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hint: D1 | ||
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Do you know why tehpoofter suspects you? You left out a main reason, i'm challengin you to figure out what it is. | ||
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so i see here that you're being defensive about your low post count (which was a reason you got lynched as mafia last game) and you are completely misprepresenting the reasons tehpoofter has for voting for you. any comments? | ||
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On April 02 2014 19:44 Vivax wrote: Besides if you don't understand my posts maybe you should play sober lol ![]() lol i shall reread when I wake up. but for now I must make do | ||
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On April 02 2014 20:04 Vivax wrote: You claim I supported the rayn lynch, I don't recall it being that way. I consideered he could be scum but I figured he would be a bad lynch during D1. correct | ||
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do you recall this post? On March 31 2014 16:41 raynpelikoneet wrote: Anyways i wanted to lynch kush because for some reason i thought he was sure scum and i said if kush flips town you can lynch me. Hopeless instantly got on the wagon because it would be funny if i was wrong. Seems like the same sort of attitude this game. | ||
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but oh wait guys i haven't read the thread" so how could you know that reading the thread would confirm you as town if you haven't read the thread? do you know that gumshoe is confirmed medic and he saved amiko? so you you are not as confirmed as you would have us believe. | ||
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toad is here! talk to him please! | ||
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On April 04 2014 04:48 kitaman27 wrote: At the beginning of day one, he argued that we should lynch mafia instead of slam and called a player scummy who settled for the easy slam lynch. Rather than pushing a mafia lynch at any point in the day, he chose to lynch slam mainly because it was better than the alternative. Then at the beginning of day two, he pushes for a slam nuke. If the only reason he wanted to lynch slam on day one was because he doesn't have any scum reads, why is he pushing a slam nuke, rather than using the 36 hours to find a scum read? He is reproducing the exact behavior he found scummy. that is so bad. he is scum for changing his mind? | ||
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On April 05 2014 04:05 austinmcc wrote: Are you now bubbling over with townie delight at him? You seemed scummy on him for particular things he'd done - his D1 voting, his response to poofter, blah blah. Just the fact that you were liking kita/toad for scum and vivax was fighting the right way with kita = vivax more likely town? yep | ||
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On April 05 2014 04:16 austinmcc wrote: If kita flips town, vivax is the reddest red in redville? no? | ||
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On April 05 2014 04:19 austinmcc wrote: So vivax is town for the specific WAY he fought with kita? Not just for fighting with kita who you think is mafia? I don't know if I think kita is mafia. but yes. | ||
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On April 05 2014 04:22 kitaman27 wrote: Well you wanted to lynch me yesterday and neither of us have posted much since then, so what changed? If I wanted to lynch you yesterday I wouldn't have switched back to toad. As I said, I'm not sure. | ||
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On April 05 2014 04:28 austinmcc wrote: But you wanted to lynch kita/toad.30 minutes before lynch. i only held that opinion at the exact time I made that post. iirc i unvoted kita pretty quickly | ||
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reason for what? look I've never been sure about kita's alignment all game long. the times i've called him x or y alignment, i've never felt confident about it. he is the biggest question mark for me, because he generally talks in a townie way, but I always find his pushes to be.... beneath his ability? I've never read a kita case this game and thought "hmm, I agree with this case and now I think kita's target is scummier than before." And I feel like that is something that should happen if kita is town. BUT I think he just posts in a townie way. So it's not as black and white as "I want to lynch kita" even if that's what I said. | ||
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On April 05 2014 04:36 kitaman27 wrote: Thrawn, was it this post of mine that shifted your views? no but it's posts like that one. I was already back to null reading you right before before the D2 deadline | ||
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On April 05 2014 05:58 austinmcc wrote: i'm still interested in vivax / kita / toad stuff from you. can you specifcy what exactly you are looking for? because I think you are assuming I made some reads that I didn't | ||
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On April 05 2014 10:45 Vivax wrote: He did -.- On another note I can see that being a town role so for now I'll roll with kush as town and guess at scum being kita/thrawn/poofter no he didn't and really? you think day vigs are town exclusive roles? | ||
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On April 04 2014 08:02 Tehpoofter wrote: So first off I'm looking at what we know so far no NK n1 3P survivor, shrink, doctor, Toad's role. We also have other claims at being blue Watcher from hopeless, Kush says hes day vig plus double vote (you didnt use your power today I'm assuming based on the vote counts), Vivax, JJD some types of visiting roles. Also There is someone who gave a nuke to JJD as he said he didn't make it. So we're looking at assuming all roles are blue, 7 blue town power roles and a 3P survivor that seems insanely high to me unless mafia has some big role maybe kill + conversion and I would think points to there being 2+ on the first day or it doesn't seem very balanced. I'll say it now but I think one of the blue roles is most likely mafia, or at the least 3P. Now maybe thats not the case but that only leaves Me, Austin, Kita, DJO, Amiko Thrawn (I believe) and for me I think kita/Djo would be the only possible scum team there I mean Amiko maybe cause of Austin's case I could maybe see him being that constructed but it still reads town so doesn't ping as super scummy to me. So my list of reads atm: Town Hero: Tehpoofter Town: Thrawn Austin Blues: (I think one is scum hopeless claim is the most townie cause it seems silly for scum to claim when they did.) Kush reaction was good to gum even though he shot the medic I'd have done the same as town although his role does seem really strong. Vivax probably the most scummy claim wise cause he was reluctant to give up his visit. But I was going to move my vote off him based on play so I still give him town points. JJD Seemed to try to get hopeless on that whole fakeclaim thing thats the 3rd occurance of him really pushing a scum read on something slip like to me it pings scummy because of my background as I highlighted in a previous post but it may be different on the forums. Kush Vivax Hopeless JJD Neutral Pile: Amiko - Has seemed very town in his posts but austin's case against him makes me question how much of it is off the cuff and not preplanned... its easy to look town if you know whats going on. I don't fully believe this read and would love to have more interaction with Amiko but if all blue claims are real it has to be someone else so he goes to neutral as I'm stronger on thrawn/Austin atm being town. DJO - He hasn't really done much of note for me I was making this list and in my head thought "idk where I stand on DJO tbh" so its null for me and hes not a blue role claim so he stands at neutral. I will try to reread his filter but probably cant get around to it for 6-7 hours as I'm at work and want to catch up on other games as this one is night phase atm. Most likely Scum: Kita - I think he has pushed on two lynches rayn first then vivax if vivax is town this makes him look even scummier in my eyes. He pushed on both their lynches later in the day after I had already been pushing on both from the start of the day he also calls me null when if we're in the same mindset wouldn't he think me more town he doesn't even mention our similar pushes in his reads. Now for me I like that he pushed on those people but he has been around at both EoD when I've been hesitant and reconsidered both my reads and he didn't with rayn or vivax just left his vote where it is. So to me it seems like someone scummy hoping on an established wagon to push someone into a lynch and not reconsidering at EoD. like based on that post i don't know why you'd like to check me and kita | ||
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So what say you tehpoofter? | ||
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although tbh, i'd prefer not to even have this conversation. So how about you give me 24 hours and if I'm not super townie again we can talk? | ||
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On April 05 2014 11:54 Tehpoofter wrote: As for kita I had him on my scum list on N1 and the start of day 1 I did list others as more suspicious but once claims started happening I decided lynching into any blues when we had already lost 2 (shrink/medic) wouldn't be good for town so I went on my top scumread outside the claims which was kita. I'd be interested in theories on the night kills we had 0 then 2. I know the "lovers" role is common on epic mafia I'm not sure how it plays in here but thats one option for the 2 kills. I thought I read something in one of the flavor bits that might have pointed to it but I need to reread closer. I'm glad more people gave reads last night than the night before hopefully we can keep an eye on that and see who goes shifting around. i dont think that is a helpful thing to talk about. like if we had more info, sure. but can you answer why you wanted the check to go on thrawn/kita? | ||
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instead i'm just going to start focus on playing the game seriously going forwards because I think that will benefit town more than the other options | ||
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tehpoofter is taking so long to respond to stuff, and i don't remember him being so sluggish or... unresponsive during D1. at the top of this page he mentioned his next post being an answer regarding the kita stuff, and it takes him 40 minutes to write this... On April 05 2014 11:54 Tehpoofter wrote: As for kita I had him on my scum list on N1 and the start of day 1 I did list others as more suspicious but once claims started happening I decided lynching into any blues when we had already lost 2 (shrink/medic) wouldn't be good for town so I went on my top scumread outside the claims which was kita. I'd be interested in theories on the night kills we had 0 then 2. I know the "lovers" role is common on epic mafia I'm not sure how it plays in here but thats one option for the 2 kills. I thought I read something in one of the flavor bits that might have pointed to it but I need to reread closer. I'm glad more people gave reads last night than the night before hopefully we can keep an eye on that and see who goes shifting around. ...and he still hasn't answered a question I asked him an hour ago, about why he wants to check me. So do you see why I'm saying he seems like a completely different person? | ||
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On April 05 2014 12:22 austinmcc wrote: Especially if you think he was converted, then it would still be optimal for town to take out whoever is DOING the converting, and therefore, poofter is a fallback lynch for you and you want to be hunting for Da Mafia Boss. that's just stupid there is no way that if i think i've found mafia that I'm going to ignore that and REALLY austin. I wish there were players in this game that knew me, they would be able to tell you that I am the worst conversion target ever on the forum. | ||
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On April 05 2014 12:29 Vivax wrote: You don't have to look at his filter, you only have to look at what I said. That huge post where he mentions multiple people but then only pushes rayn and seemingly doesn't care about them. OK, I just looked at it and the amount of time that elapsed between that post and the post where he starts pushing to lynch rayn was just about 30 hours. I think 30 hours is.. plenty of time for someone's reads to change. So no, I don't think what you're pointing out is scummy. | ||
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On April 05 2014 12:30 austinmcc wrote: Okay, then should we be scumometer-ing Kita? Poofter? Should kush use it on himself and promise not to lie about results? I already gave an answer to this. I think, objectively, town's best play is to use it on either myself or kita. Probably kita, because I have faith in my ability to not get mislynched. But objectively, considering the suspicions of everyone in the game right now, it is probably best for town to know thrawn and kita's alignments. | ||
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On April 05 2014 12:39 austinmcc wrote: Thrawn what is your favorite kind of cookie? choc | ||
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When you saw the recent flips, what were your first thoughts? (i'm looking for thoughts regarding scum, not setup speculation stuff) | ||
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On April 05 2014 12:54 Tehpoofter wrote: @thrawn its odd you're so suspicious of me and don't want to check me. if more people come around to me being townie then i prefer the check going to kita/you. when I say i want kita or me to be checked, i'm talking about what's probably best for the thread, at this exact moment | ||
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On April 05 2014 12:56 Tehpoofter wrote: Kita is mafia. JJD had a role that could do something to others kita as mafia would know that its not a medic/shrink/inventor since JJD had the nuke yesterday. Austin lived through the night so unlikely to be vigi my next thought would be cop. JJD was going saying adamantly against kita if I recall correctly. So that was my first thought that Kita didn't want a cop claim with a red on him thus The reason I bring up the lover's thing is cause DJO was a random kill idk why he was targeted. why was djo the random kill and not jjd? | ||
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kush's meata changes a lot. he doesn't always buss. but as scum he pretty consistently as this air of confidence that he doesn't as town due to him not knowing alignments as town. so I think you can sweep aside your meta doubts because imo this does actually look like scum kush. I do like what you posted near the top of the page regarding kush/kita, but honestly I am more convinced by this On April 06 2014 05:20 austinmcc wrote: Right now, yeah. I like your D1. I like amiko's D1. I'm town. I have thought Vivax is townie, and he hasn't done anything to really worry me about that yet. I hate poofter's D1 but like him since, and I don't think that fits for someone who's been scum fo evah. That leaves me hopeless/kita/kush. I'll do my own read of kush and tell you what I think. But for now I am glad that my vote is still on him. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On March 31 2014 22:15 kushm4sta wrote: I disagree with foolishness hydra. I know exactly what is going on with slam. Third party with a specific win condition. Terrible lynch and that is a fact not an opinion. As austin mentioned, kush is too quick to come to the conclusion that slam can only be survivor. And this post is a perfect example of the kush scum meta I mentioned. + Show Spoiler + So Austin pointed out some weirdness with the interactions between kush and kita but there is more weirdness I just found that austin didn't touch on. On April 01 2014 21:43 kushm4sta wrote: Questions for Kita Why is the boldified relevant? Have you ever played with town rayn before? I'm sure you have. In that game, was he not super sure about his reads d1? Why do you write more about how hopeless is scum, yet you push the rayn lynch? In your last post about rayn, which is not quoted, half of it is saying why you think he might be town. So basically, what made rayn a better lynch than hopeless yesterday? Notice how formal kush is being when talking to kita? Now go look at kush's filter, he pretty much acts like an ass most of the time. When he questions other people is more aggresive and... needlessly antagonistic than he is with kita. + Show Spoiler + On April 02 2014 23:06 kushm4sta wrote:. Furthermore, think of Kita as a person. I don't know him that well, but from what I've seen, I seriously doubt he would be the kind of flashy scum player to try to get rayn mislynched D1. I see kita as being a less confrontational scum player. Yes that meta is based on complete assumption. and yeah this is just really awkward and bad. + Show Spoiler + OK. So here is an event that bought kush a lot of town cred. On April 03 2014 04:34 kushm4sta wrote: eh we arne't wasting this day talking about gumshoe ##kill gumshoe The line "eh we arne't wasting this day talking about gumshoe" seems... a bit off considering kush is supposed to be shooting gumshoe becuase gumshoe claimed kush's flavor name. Like if player x says he's flavor z, and player y is actually flavor z, and player y decides that player x's claim is worth insta-shooting him for... I'd expect player y to be much more... enthusiastic about the kill? This is hard to describe, basically I'm saying that if kush was shooting gumshoe for the reasons he is supposed to be shooting gumshoe, he would have had a completely different attitude about it than "eh we arne't wasting this day talking about gumshoe." + Show Spoiler + On April 05 2014 18:23 kushm4sta wrote: ok so i just read kita. d1 is really townie but then his activity falls off a lot. I wasn't really thinking about scum that could have been converted but yeah both kita and tehpoof look like possible conversions. I'm checking kita. So I do not know why kush decided to check kita. It doesn't make sense considering kush's earlier kita super town read. He includes the bit about kita being a possible conversion... and that small bit is enough to convince kush that he should use his OP instant cop check on a player he's been defending all game, instead of one of his scum suspects? So kush's use of this scumometer does not make sense. And as Austin said.. kush came in and announced the green result.... and nothing else. No "oh I was right all along you dumbasses" or "hmm that's interesting this means that X is probably mafia." I guarantee that if a I had the scumometer, checked kita, and a town result then I would definietly start drawing conclusions about other players alignments. SOOOOOOOOOO..... yes I think kush is mafia. and he is probably mafia with kita and they were both probably mafia on D1. i'll read kita and post my thoughts later today (austin and vivax gonna be so happy) | ||
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so Kush, for sure. then maybe kita? If those two are mafia, especially if kush is mafia, then I think kita was also probably mafia during D1. I think we have 3 scum right now otherwise this game would probably be over already, which means that we maybe started with 2 mafia on D1? so my picks for those two are kush/kita. as far as a converted read.... i need to read amiko. previously I would have said this was you but right now I'm not really feeling it | ||
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I think that is right. If there are currently 3 mafia and kush is one of them.... then we should have been end gamed already? | ||
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On April 06 2014 08:07 austinmcc wrote: ALSO WTF. THAT MEANS THAT BASICALLY 20% OF EVERYTHING GUMSHOE POSTED THIS GAME, OR WHATEVER % IT WOULD BE, IS JUST CLAIMING TO BE THINGS HE WASN'T. 43% | ||
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who knows if he is scum, i sure don't. I don't think he's a priority though. but either way, no matter his alignment, it's best for town if he posts his own stuff instead of writing non conclusive essays about every big case that comes up | ||
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i wanted to lynch gumshoe i was meh about slam. it was starting to look like lymching slam would be the only way I could save rayn so I caved in and wrote that post. the "i will not like it" part specifically refers to me having to concede my gumshoe lynch, and lynch slam, who i didn';t care to lynch, in order to save rayn | ||
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so it's based on past experience. i basically just gave up and decided that scummy hopeless doesn't equal a scum hopeless... which is a lesson i've had to learn over and over again. and I was sheeping rayn a little | ||
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So all that stuff he wrote about kita fits pretty well with how I'd expect kush to act when he's giving a correct read. On April 02 2014 23:06 kushm4sta wrote: jjd, you are misunderstanding this post I think. Basically the important part is at the moment. Then a combination of two things happened. Rayn did some shit kita found scummy AND kita reconsidered the scumminess in rayn's play. To me, Kita's thought process is VERY transparent. He wrote at least two long ass posts dealing with his reads and the thought process behind them. His play would be extremely hard to pull off as scum I think. Furthermore, think of Kita as a person. I don't know him that well, but from what I've seen, I seriously doubt he would be the kind of flashy scum player to try to get rayn mislynched D1. I see kita as being a less confrontational scum player. Yes that meta is based on complete assumption. Yeah the last paragrpah is bad and awkward. But the awkwardness doesn't have to implicate kita, it could just be scummy awkwardness on kush's part. The first two paragraphs are what I was talking about at the start of this post. He sound oh so confident, you can just tell that he is taking secret delight in being able to give a well thought out read and correct read. Kush just likes being right as scum. It's his main meta tell. And the read I get from all the stuff he wrote about kita during D1 is that kush is "being right as scum." So I don't think kita is mafia, at least not during D1. So did kush lie to us about kita's alignment? Eh. If kush lied about it then he would be implicating himself or kita should the other one be lynched. I don't think that's very likely to happen, especially considering how far ahead scum was. It's not like they needed to pull of anything crazy. I refuse to go into all the wifom that kush wants us to go into, I think the explanation I just gave is the most likely explanation. So I guess I think kita is town after all! | ||
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Austin aint mafia, that's just obvious. I think kita is town, and I especially think he was town on D1 as per my recent post. Amiko has felt generally townie throughout the game for various reasons. I need to reaffirm my feelings on vivax before looking into hope/tehpoofter... but I really, really don't think he is mafia. I think he's too engaged with the thread to be mafia. So that leaves hopeless (who I honestly completely forgot about until vivax asked me about something) and tehpoofter. Right now I can't think of any good reasons for either of them to be town based on stuff that's happened recently. If I had to guess I would say hopeless would be original scum, and tehpoofter was converted. | ||
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On April 07 2014 08:28 Vivax wrote: Thrawn you aren't the scum converter are you? yep | ||
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On April 02 2014 01:50 kushm4sta wrote: is kita a guy who hates playing scum? lol | ||
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On April 08 2014 06:26 Amiko wrote: N1: No kills N2: 2 kills N3: 1 kill Would you speculate a little about setup given the above kill patterns? my guess would be a conversion n1. kita. probably only that because being able to convert/kill on the same night sounds op n2... maybe kita used his vig power? kita claimed to protect austin, that could easily be a cover for his vig shot. i'm still for whatever reason not able to fully grasp all the weird watcher claims that happened earlier so I don't know if my idea fits with what's been claimed. but since we havne't had a vig claim, and 2 scum vig roles is a bit much, my guess is that kita did the dirty. and then scum did a night kill. that would mean no conversion. n3.. scum nk what would I speculate about the setup given the above? idk lol. nothing, really. | ||
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On April 08 2014 06:42 Amiko wrote: I'm writing a bit of a response, but thrawn he did have vet powers while he was town. hmm? Thankfully, your sonic screwdriver can do practically anything. This means you have the following three abilities to choose from each night: vig, track, roleblock | ||
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tehpoofter was my 2nd strongest read during D1. I read him correctly in the previous game and during D1 he felt similar enough to that game, plus he was one of the more active people in the thread. he was more active D1 than the last time I saw him roll town, and i don't expect his scum play to actually look townier than his town play. so that means it's hopeless. meh. i still feel like tehpoofter is currently scummier than hopeless, but my D1 read was so strong that it trumps all of that. | ||
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On April 08 2014 15:13 Amiko wrote: I see the game state like this: It's possible there was no conversion last night. Even if there was, there was at least one scum beforehand. So, my preference is between tehpoofter, hopeless, and thrawn for the lynch. After reading hopeless, I felt he could be scum, but less chance than kita. After reading poofter I feel he was pretty towny, though I haven't done kita<->poofter yet. I haven't reread thrawn again yet... maybe I wrote this before but I feel like I didn't come away with too much when I did it before, maybe I will now that kita and kush flipped scum though. Thrawn you felt hopeless would be a better lynch than poofter, correct? Is it that you feel poofter is town? Or that you feel hopeless is scum? What's your thinking when you compare the two? Yes, tehpoofter's D1 looks incredibly townie. I think there's no possible way for him to be original scum. I played with him in a game right before this, and I immediately recognized him as town based off his first post. His D1 in this game felt close enough to that other game for me to give him the same read. Not only that, but his activity in this game was like 3x his activity in the other game. He's a new player and I don't think many new players are capable of having a more active scum game than town game. I haven't looked much into hopeless filter yet but that's just because of how strongly I feel about tehpoofter's D1. BTW. There is no way that I'm original mafia and I make this post during N1: On April 01 2014 11:00 thrawn2112 wrote: yep, what slam just said. You and austin are both pretty strong town reads for me. Toad seems town, i guess? He made a pont about him becoming less worried about me after i started responding to him normally, and now i'd like to make the pont that I like that he likes that i started responding to him normally. The only voter not on the rayn wagon was gumshoe. Simply due to the number of town reads I have, I wouldn't be surprised at all if he was mafia. Austin made a good pont earlier n that his inactivity shouldn't be alignment indicative becasue he posts more as scum and town, but it's his willingness to troll about flavor and be absolutely useless when he does post that makes him scummy. I still thnk that kita was probably right, that there wern't that many mafia members on D1. Or even if it was some sort of X role (i cant remember the role name, it';s where you are mafia but dont know alignments and your team has to find you) then they would still be hard to find becaue they'd be posting without information about alignments, so they would look like town. So I think the remaining (likely few, or few "catchable" mafia) would be on the rayn wagon. kushm4sta, hopeless1der, kitaman27, Amiko, raynpelikoneet (5) hosts can you clarify that the final votecount which showed 6 on rayn is correct I didnt pay full attention to the argument slam had about the votecounts but didn't hosts confirm that the count was accurate? that would be there are some hidden voting mechanics going on. People need to claim this ASAP if this is the case imo. So who on that list is likely to be mafia? I doubt it's kita. I was slightly townreading him for his gimmick at the start of the game, and he made a very casual post near the deadline about "here comes the swtich" which I don't excpect to come form a scum player who is about to get their mislynch. I don't thionk hopeless is scum, i'd like to sheep rayn and austin's reads on him. Amiko I previously thought was town, I will read his filter again and tell you what I think in a bit. But I remember townreading him for all the research he did at the start of the game. and that leads me to..... KUSH get the fuck in here note that I was the first person to notice and call out the extra vote mechanics. i talked about the extra vote for much of N1, talking about how scummy it was and how the person who did it needs to claim, etc. do you really think I would do that if I were kush's scummate? I know that when he finally announced that the extra vote was his, I townread him for it even after saying the extra voter is probably mafia. But I think my reasons for doing so were justified, and if you read the post where that happens it should come across as pretty honest because I was speaking very directly about the weird state of my read on kush. | ||
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On April 08 2014 04:37 austinmcc wrote: We're fine though. I need to make up for last time I became impromptu town leader, lead a scum lynch, and then proceeded to LOLLYNCHTOWNIES for 3-4 cycles and not commit enough time to the game. I do NOT want that happening again, town's got this. sup austin? | ||
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On April 09 2014 01:16 austinmcc wrote: Not the posts suspicious. When you're wanting to talk to me about his D1, it can be assumed that you find it scummy and maybe want to argue that he's scum. no. i don't find it scummy at all. you were the one who had problems with his play during D1 and I wanted to have that discussion again in case one of us was wrong ...you know, cuz were nearing end game, and it's important to be sure about things? | ||
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On April 09 2014 01:18 austinmcc wrote: Btw, what WERE you specifically worried about? It's still worth going over. nothing lol. YOU brought up something a long time ago. I think you pushed it during D1. well, I care less about this conversation than i did when I originally asked you about tehpoofter because I reread his D1 betwwen then and now and it's reaffirmed my town read | ||
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in titanic 3 i called him useless town hopeless. here is how he responded so I was pretty rude there, and how does hopeless respond? in a pretty natural and honest way. titanic 3 is not the only game where town hopeless had a reaction similar to what I quoted, I know that it's happened a few times before because I distinctly remember feeling bad every time I call hopeless useless or whatever, because of the emotional way he always responds to it. i will go look through our past games and provide quotes if needed. how does he respond to me saying the same thing in this game? On March 31 2014 06:24 Hopeless1der wrote: I have a meta to maintain here he does not have a natural reaction to my rudeness. he plays off his meta and doesn't seem offended by something that should have offended him and has offended him in the past. he's actually pretty willing to indulge my rudeness, since he's being called town for it. | ||
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so nothing from lviii has anything to do with what I'm talking about and that's why you're voting for me? | ||
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"Why is it reasonable that for Day2 its reasonable to consider poof for scum but Day3 poof's Day1 play trumps everything else?" D2 it's reasonable to for me to ignore my D1 town read on tehpoofter because this game has conversion mechanics and tehpoofter's activity and usefulness dropped off almost right at the start ofD2. This cycle, everything is pointing to 1 original scum remaining, so now I can take my d1 read into account. | ||
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On April 09 2014 12:12 Amiko wrote: Hopeless comments on Thrawn I think hopeless raises three points- re: poofter In the first colored paragraph he quotes, you are saying that you didn’t really get a town read from poofter (there were just traces). In the second (uncolored) paragraph, you repeat a similar sentiment The next two paragraphs are saying that you had a townread on poofter from D1. In other words, I think hopeless’ case on this point is that you are inconsistent with regard to your reads on poofter – you said you saw him town from d1, but your posts reflect you were unsure. @thrawn2112: I don’t really know how significant that point is to me, but if you have a response or want to clarify, go for it. Delays in asking about Doublevote: I don’t feel this is worth talking about, sorry hopeless. I don’t know, I randomly think of things that happened days ago in the thread and ask about them. Conspiracy Theory: I think hopeless is saying thrawn shouldn’t question the use of the scumchecker because town (including him) pushed for checking kita. I don’t find this point compelling only because we can’t tell thrawn’s motives. If he was criticizing the check as a mistake that’d be one thing, but instead it feels like maybe he’s just trying to get information. I don’t know, so I am not putting too much weight into it. The first colored thing. I was saying that the first time I played with tehpoofter (in a different game) I got a super strong new player town vibe from him. I said that I didn't get the exact same vibe this game, but a similar one. Then I explained how it was different and conlcuded that the difference probably means he's town. There's no contradiction there? Me saying that I didn't get the exact same vibe from him this game is not me saying I don't find him townie. I think that's the contradiction hopeless is going for and it's not a contradiction at all. The whole point of everything I said in that post was to explain why I thought tehpoofter was town. Hopeless is forcing a contradiction where there isn't one. The reason I asked kush why he checked kita is because it made no sense for kush to check kita based on kush's game long kita town read. I talked about this in my case on kush during the last cycle. | ||
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is that what happened? i'm still not sure about who was scum when well I am glad that I realized how off austin was. but i got owned by the setup lol. | ||
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