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thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
March 14 2014 00:30 GMT
#48
/in
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
March 18 2014 01:12 GMT
#59
I want to play!
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
March 21 2014 14:14 GMT
#87
On March 21 2014 23:08 kushm4sta wrote:
Show nested quote +
This game is heavily themed.

Like pyp heavy?


i think you are wanting to know how much extra effort the themed part of the setup requires?
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
March 29 2014 21:01 GMT
#169
hey whats goin on
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
March 29 2014 21:04 GMT
#172
that's fine with me
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
March 29 2014 21:21 GMT
#186
On March 30 2014 06:18 Hopeless1der wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2014 06:16 kitaman27 wrote:
Hello!

##Vote: raynpelikoneet

this is a lynch cycle


hm?
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
March 29 2014 21:24 GMT
#194
On March 30 2014 06:22 Hopeless1der wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2014 06:21 thrawn2112 wrote:
On March 30 2014 06:18 Hopeless1der wrote:
On March 30 2014 06:16 kitaman27 wrote:
Hello!

##Vote: raynpelikoneet

this is a lynch cycle


hm?

maybe he wants to vote rayn for doctor mayor?

@Slam theres a vote thread


why would you think to say that?
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
March 29 2014 21:39 GMT
#207
i'll join you kita

but why are we voting rayn?
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
March 29 2014 21:54 GMT
#216
kita why am I voting for rayn?
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
March 29 2014 23:51 GMT
#249
i might policy lynch dr who roleplayers because i cannot understand anything they're talking about
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
March 29 2014 23:59 GMT
#251
i prefer hitchhikers guide
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
March 30 2014 01:19 GMT
#259
kita why di you vote for rayn?

kita why did you tell me to vote for rayn?

kita why did i vote for rayn

kita why rayn

why?
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
March 30 2014 01:24 GMT
#260
I really do want you to answer those questions, i'm not trolling or anything
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
March 30 2014 02:30 GMT
#267
On March 30 2014 11:00 kitaman27 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2014 10:19 thrawn2112 wrote:
kita why di you vote for rayn?

kita why did you tell me to vote for rayn?

kita why did i vote for rayn

kita why rayn

why?


I start most games out with a random vote. Why is this your biggest concern when I clearly voted for rayn at the point where he hardly even has a post? Are you unfamiliar with the concept or do you think that my vote had malicious intentions?


I'm curious as to why you would tell people to sheep your vote and then vote for them when they do?
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
March 30 2014 02:42 GMT
#269
you require other people to be here for you to post?
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
March 30 2014 02:53 GMT
#271
well i'm here. do yo have anything to say?
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
March 30 2014 03:34 GMT
#279
why does it matter if I knew this? (i didn't)

he votes for rayn and tells someone else to sheep him

i vote rayn, my vote is just as obviously random and dumb as kita's

kita says my random sheeping of his random vote is scummy? I want to know why.
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
March 30 2014 03:35 GMT
#280
On March 30 2014 12:33 Tehpoofter wrote:
@Thrawn why vote slam? I mean I did pretty much make the best case that has ever or will ever be created in the history of man but you didn't even quote it here to praise me for my amazingness..... Please explain.


kush's points are better

"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
March 30 2014 03:38 GMT
#282
kita do you really think i'm mafia? really? put on your serious face
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
March 30 2014 03:51 GMT
#290
the issue I had with it is that it seemed halfway between a "rvs" vote and a real vote

On March 30 2014 06:36 kitaman27 wrote:
Not providing an explanation for my vote, though someone should totally join me.

Show nested quote +
On March 30 2014 06:27 Alakaslam wrote:
Rayn likely town but you guys make me think this gaem b ez


What makes you say that?


he implies that he has a reason for voting rayn but that he doesn't want to say it yet

he also asks people to sheep him

So I obliged his sheep request and asked for the real reason, to try and figure out exactly how much of his vote was random and how much of it wa because he had a real reason to vote rayn.

Apparently it was completely an rvs vote, and now he thinks I'm scummy for obliging his request to sheep his rvs vote.

I still haven't gotten an answer as to why he asks people to sheep him, and then he votes for the people that sheep him. Especially since it all meant nothing anyway, I don't know how he turned it into a scumread on me.
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
March 30 2014 04:05 GMT
#293
it was the buddying reason right? but what i did was nothing like buddying, I sheeped his vote, which he actually requested.

it can't be buddying because i did not buddy him
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
March 30 2014 04:06 GMT
#298
well then fuck rvs lol
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
March 30 2014 04:08 GMT
#301
On March 30 2014 13:07 Alakaslam wrote:
Ya I'm planar dragon of interplanetary mega bamcis NK POWAH, I will NK the whole scumteam in one fell swoop

Make sure u lynch me or NK watch this


why do you complaign about not being able to post because nobody is here then when people are here you don't post anything helpful
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
March 30 2014 04:12 GMT
#306
cool
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
March 30 2014 04:21 GMT
#312
damn no luck with the reverse image search

slam maybe you should ask the bird who is mafia? tell me what he says please?
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
March 30 2014 04:34 GMT
#317
god this is impossible
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
March 30 2014 04:43 GMT
#322
no that comment was not about the birds, it was about trying to get you to play the game
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
March 30 2014 05:12 GMT
#326
On March 30 2014 14:03 kushm4sta wrote:
So slam is either
1. survivor
2. scum lying about being survivor

im inclined to believe 1, knowing how alaka approaches playing scum.

unvote


do you think he is scum or town if you ignore his claiming nonsense?
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
March 30 2014 05:22 GMT
#328
i was probing kita
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
March 30 2014 05:28 GMT
#332
i agree
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
March 30 2014 05:53 GMT
#334
hm?
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
March 30 2014 06:00 GMT
#337
how long did those pics take you
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
March 30 2014 06:08 GMT
#339
no i know.

I hope that you follow through with the research becaause otherwise you just wasted 30 minutes

did you have an opinion about kita in mind before you started that?

"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
March 30 2014 06:25 GMT
#344
I think he's really nully

i guess that's scummy
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
March 30 2014 06:29 GMT
#346
i know what you mean but it might not mean that.

it could mean that he doesn't undersatnd (1st post) and would like to understand (2nd post)

if that's what you're talking about i'm not sure why it's "really scummy."
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
March 30 2014 07:09 GMT
#370
rayn what's your kita read?
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
March 30 2014 07:14 GMT
#374
well i disagreee with almos everything you've said lately.... hmm
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
March 30 2014 07:14 GMT
#375
rayn are you full of shit? lol
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
March 30 2014 07:15 GMT
#377
no i think kita looks pretty town right now and you saying that it's impossible to tell is absurd
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
March 30 2014 07:18 GMT
#381
On March 30 2014 16:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2014 16:15 thrawn2112 wrote:
no i think kita looks pretty town right now and you saying that it's impossible to tell is absurd

why does he look town?


no rayn you don't get to turn this on me. I asked the question about his alignment first, and you completely avoided saying anything at all about his play. so answer the question
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
March 30 2014 07:22 GMT
#387
lol!
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
March 30 2014 07:33 GMT
#391
you should just leave your vote on yourself if it really doesn't matter
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
March 30 2014 07:37 GMT
#392
like why are you even bothering voting for different people?
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
March 30 2014 07:44 GMT
#393
eh, I don't think rayn is mafia

i have 0 scumreads
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
March 30 2014 07:53 GMT
#397
dont care tbh, i'll probably get lost
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
March 30 2014 07:54 GMT
#399
yes
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
March 30 2014 07:55 GMT
#400
but i'm going to lie if we do
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
March 30 2014 20:56 GMT
#558
hey guys what's up
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
March 30 2014 20:59 GMT
#560
naw
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
March 30 2014 21:10 GMT
#568
I think it is probably true because of his rage posts. I am fine with default lynching him but I would rather set my sights on a scum lynch for now

I think rayn is town
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
March 30 2014 21:11 GMT
#569
in any case everyone should just stfu about slam
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
March 30 2014 21:13 GMT
#571
i'm down with lynching hopeless
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
March 30 2014 21:19 GMT
#573
he's not even trying to be helpful, he's defensive at the wrong times, and he keeps casually slipping that people are town as per these posts

On March 30 2014 06:25 Hopeless1der wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2014 06:24 thrawn2112 wrote:
On March 30 2014 06:22 Hopeless1der wrote:
On March 30 2014 06:21 thrawn2112 wrote:
On March 30 2014 06:18 Hopeless1der wrote:
On March 30 2014 06:16 kitaman27 wrote:
Hello!

##Vote: raynpelikoneet

this is a lynch cycle


hm?

maybe he wants to vote rayn for doctor mayor?

@Slam theres a vote thread


why would you think to say that?

because the alternative means i need to be a dick to kita and i dont wanna do that right now.


On March 31 2014 04:26 Hopeless1der wrote:
Slam you have no chance of reasoning with rayn. The best thing you can hope for is that he diverts onto some other sucker in the meantime.

"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
March 30 2014 21:20 GMT
#575
On March 31 2014 06:19 Hopeless1der wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 31 2014 06:13 thrawn2112 wrote:
i'm down with lynching hopeless

cool, you guys can face rayn's ire when i flip town.


are you going to play the game?
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
March 30 2014 21:21 GMT
#579
you are absolutely useless and sadly probably town for it
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
March 30 2014 21:22 GMT
#581
On March 31 2014 06:21 Tehpoofter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 31 2014 06:13 thrawn2112 wrote:
i'm down with lynching hopeless



Any reason why?


i gave them

but i just changed my mind because he has confirmed that he's playing to his useless town meta
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
March 30 2014 21:25 GMT
#584
anti town meta?
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
March 30 2014 21:28 GMT
#587
no i really doubt that slam will be lynched. hopefully there is a vig role to take care of that
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
March 30 2014 21:30 GMT
#589
so i'm starting to believe in kita's theory about # of scum on D1 because there really aren't that many scummy people around

eh. i hope austin posts soon
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
March 30 2014 21:34 GMT
#593
right there hopeless. you just called rayn town.
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
March 30 2014 21:39 GMT
#598
I'm not reading everyone as town. i'm reading a lot of people as town and I have a few null reads.

about the slam stuff, i literaly don't want to talk about it any more. but I will answer this question. i do not think that his wincon interferes with my win con. if he is survivor then he knows that he needs to obey town or else possible town kp will remove him. so i don't think that lynching him is the best way to deal with him.
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
March 30 2014 21:47 GMT
#601
Not really. Rayn is posting what he's posting because of the experience he has playing with such roles. Maybe he knows something we don't? Or maybe he is just wrong? In any case it didn't look like he truly decided to vote slam and stop playing, even if that's what he tried to tell himself and the thread.
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
March 30 2014 22:01 GMT
#603
yeah i hope vivax rolled mafia again lol. i think that would be an easy catch
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
March 31 2014 02:43 GMT
#633
rayn are you around? mind explaining what makes djo town?
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thrawn2112
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March 31 2014 02:46 GMT
#635
meh
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thrawn2112
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March 31 2014 03:33 GMT
#644
i'm jealous
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thrawn2112
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March 31 2014 03:41 GMT
#647
"cant think"

"roleplayer?"

"oh yeah it's the research guy"

"mebbe town"

i swear all these thoughts happened within 10 seconds
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thrawn2112
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March 31 2014 03:51 GMT
#655
ok.

1. hopeless is heavly implying that he is intentionally playing in a way so that people find him scummy. last game he claimed to do this as some sort of strategy. or as he noted in this game (although jokingly) he is doing it for the sake of his 'always scummy as either alignment" meta. so is he town and doing either of those two things or is he scum and taking advantage of people's expectations of his play?

2. did you have a read on slam before you sent him on a mission?

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thrawn2112
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March 31 2014 04:48 GMT
#663
hey jarjar.

if you want to lynch someone, it is required that you give an opinion about their alignment.
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thrawn2112
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March 31 2014 07:18 GMT
#666
yeah i thought about that. it's either that or if he's scum then every scum has a role
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thrawn2112
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March 31 2014 07:21 GMT
#668
i think i want to do a lurker lynch
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thrawn2112
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March 31 2014 07:34 GMT
#670
right now my hopeless vote is mostly kept out of spite
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thrawn2112
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March 31 2014 07:37 GMT
#672
i think he is probably town. but i hate thinking that.
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thrawn2112
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March 31 2014 07:39 GMT
#674
of course not

i remember wc2 though. that one is hard to forget
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thrawn2112
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March 31 2014 07:52 GMT
#676
idk. i think tehpoofter is more involved in the thread than a lot of people. he's definitely more engaged than he was in that last game. i'm not getting the same 'newbie town' vibe that I instantly got from him last game but traces of it are still there. like i think he's town, but he might just be more confident now and that's interfering with my noob reading abilities.

and you think he is scum because his read of you is based on poor meta reasoning? lol would you expect him to have a good understanding of meta?
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thrawn2112
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March 31 2014 07:53 GMT
#677
btw guys

next person i vote for is in for a surprise

so don't be scummy
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thrawn2112
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March 31 2014 08:31 GMT
#680
he likes that lazy omgus
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thrawn2112
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March 31 2014 08:39 GMT
#681
well I just read tehpoofter' and kita's filters. i think I'm way more open to the idea of kita being mafia, somehow I didn't realize that he voted for and is still voting for slam only because slam doesn;t want to post his role PM

i don't really have strong feelings about anyone being mafia though lol. idk wtf is going on o.0
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thrawn2112
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March 31 2014 09:03 GMT
#684
see rayn? i think most things djo has done except the possible blue slip are scummy. his entire case on jarjar is a soft defense of tehpoofter which is how lots of scum make cases
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thrawn2112
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March 31 2014 19:22 GMT
#860
hey guys, fyi i wont be here till 30 min before deadline

i will say that i have read the thread and i'm not impressed with the push to lynch rayn but i'm not really willing lynch kita for it. usually weird trap plays that don't seem to make too much sense come from town, and that is enough for me to ignore kita's bad case against rayn.

as stated before i am soooo down to lynch a lurker. i notived some people mentioning gumshoe and i'm perfectly fine with that
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thrawn2112
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March 31 2014 19:23 GMT
#862
gumshoe vote is placeholder vote until I return
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thrawn2112
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March 31 2014 19:29 GMT
#867
ur stupid toad and u should reread what i said
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thrawn2112
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March 31 2014 19:31 GMT
#870
i will also lynch slam over gumshoe in order to not lynch rayn but i will not like it.
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thrawn2112
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March 31 2014 19:41 GMT
#877
here's the deal about slam vs gumshoe

i think slam has demonstrated that he doesn't know alignments. so at least, i don't think he is scum. idc if he is survivor. hell he can stay till endgame if he likes, as long as he doesn't fuck things up.

gumshoe has not demonstrated anything except his willingness to be useless
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thrawn2112
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March 31 2014 20:33 GMT
#930
On April 01 2014 05:31 JarJarDrinks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 01 2014 05:27 austinmcc wrote:
Does anyone have a reason why gumshoe should not be lynched?
Cause there's a chance he's town. There's no chance Slam is.


who gives a fuck about that. the question you should be asking is "is there a chance X is scum"

then you will lynch gumshoe
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thrawn2112
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March 31 2014 20:35 GMT
#932
austin, the hosts talked about conversion mechanics before the game started. it's probably even in the op
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thrawn2112
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March 31 2014 20:35 GMT
#935
scum please convert me
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thrawn2112
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March 31 2014 20:36 GMT
#936
or shoot me
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thrawn2112
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March 31 2014 20:38 GMT
#938
i hope slam is jester lol
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thrawn2112
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March 31 2014 20:51 GMT
#948
no, you guys need to move to gumshoe
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thrawn2112
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March 31 2014 20:56 GMT
#959
austin are you here?
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thrawn2112
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March 31 2014 20:58 GMT
#961
man fyuck you guys lol
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thrawn2112
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March 31 2014 21:22 GMT
#979
that was the best post of the last couple hours befor the lynch
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thrawn2112
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March 31 2014 21:23 GMT
#982
no toad. i ended it all with a town read on rayn, and semi town read on kita, and "i want to lynch a lurker" which is such an amzingly better play than lynching obvious town rayn
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thrawn2112
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March 31 2014 21:33 GMT
#987
toad, go away until you've read the thread.
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thrawn2112
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March 31 2014 21:39 GMT
#992
On April 01 2014 06:34 Toadesstern wrote:
I'm basicly saying, it doesn't look like thrawn cared about Rayn being lynched despite having him as 100% certain town


I do get why you are saying this. I didn't put much effort into saving rayn for one reason. I had to leave the thread for an hour and when I returned I was still busy.... and I didn't think town was willing to listen to reason. So, two reasons, actually. I was busy before deadline, the thread was being stubborn, and I was more interested in trying to get gumshoe lynched instead of trying to save rayn. Er.... 3 reasons! Yes, three reasons for not being vocal about rayn! Business, thread stubbornness, I cared more about gumshoe, and tbh i was too demotivated to try and play the game because people like jarjar think that you don't have to worry about lynching mafia on d1. So 4 reasons! that's it, 4 reasons!

nobody expects the spanish inquisition
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thrawn2112
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March 31 2014 21:46 GMT
#997
i will allow that I thought rayn was at least 98% town
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thrawn2112
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March 31 2014 22:01 GMT
#1003
slam why are you still angry? you didn't get lynched right? what's there to be salty about?
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thrawn2112
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April 01 2014 01:38 GMT
#1033
I'm lurking, but only really halfway interested in the game right now. If you have any specific questions though I'll work on em
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thrawn2112
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April 01 2014 02:00 GMT
#1040
yep, what slam just said. You and austin are both pretty strong town reads for me. Toad seems town, i guess? He made a pont about him becoming less worried about me after i started responding to him normally, and now i'd like to make the pont that I like that he likes that i started responding to him normally. The only voter not on the rayn wagon was gumshoe. Simply due to the number of town reads I have, I wouldn't be surprised at all if he was mafia. Austin made a good pont earlier n that his inactivity shouldn't be alignment indicative becasue he posts more as scum and town, but it's his willingness to troll about flavor and be absolutely useless when he does post that makes him scummy.

I still thnk that kita was probably right, that there wern't that many mafia members on D1. Or even if it was some sort of X role (i cant remember the role name, it';s where you are mafia but dont know alignments and your team has to find you) then they would still be hard to find becaue they'd be posting without information about alignments, so they would look like town.

So I think the remaining (likely few, or few "catchable" mafia) would be on the rayn wagon.

kushm4sta, hopeless1der, kitaman27, Amiko, raynpelikoneet (5)

hosts can you clarify that the final votecount which showed 6 on rayn is correct

I didnt pay full attention to the argument slam had about the votecounts but didn't hosts confirm that the count was accurate? that would be there are some hidden voting mechanics going on. People need to claim this ASAP if this is the case imo.

So who on that list is likely to be mafia? I doubt it's kita. I was slightly townreading him for his gimmick at the start of the game, and he made a very casual post near the deadline about "here comes the swtich" which I don't excpect to come form a scum player who is about to get their mislynch. I don't thionk hopeless is scum, i'd like to sheep rayn and austin's reads on him. Amiko I previously thought was town, I will read his filter again and tell you what I think in a bit. But I remember townreading him for all the research he did at the start of the game.

and that leads me to.....

KUSH get the fuck in here
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thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
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April 01 2014 02:01 GMT
#1041
I don't know about vivax yet. I wouldn't mind seeing him under some pressure, I think that's the best shot we have of figuring out his alignment. So anyone that is around when vivax is around should do that.
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thrawn2112
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April 01 2014 02:03 GMT
#1042
if you have some way to influence the vote secretly and don't tell us now, and we find out later, you are fucked. so best come clean now
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thrawn2112
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April 01 2014 02:08 GMT
#1044
So here is my yak protection post.

I am awful as mafia. If I suddenly turn mafia and know alignments, my activitey will drop and I will not be able to talk about reads. So the scum team would be very stupid to yak me.

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thrawn2112
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April 01 2014 02:10 GMT
#1046
tbh, toad, just because he's the only person to claim weird voting mechanics. i'm not sure how to reconcile that with my read on him though. beause I think that if someone put an extra vote on the rayn train and didn't tell us then that is a highly mafia motivated action.
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thrawn2112
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April 01 2014 02:11 GMT
#1048
slam you are a bastard
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thrawn2112
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April 01 2014 02:19 GMT
#1051
it's not important, and his thread doesn't really need another argument about your motivations lol
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thrawn2112
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April 01 2014 02:29 GMT
#1053
did rayn's flip have any effect on your reads or how you view D1 in general?
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thrawn2112
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April 01 2014 02:35 GMT
#1055
so the extra vote happened after this post

maybe scum got scared when the gumshoe votes started piling on?

again, if this is your doing then you need to calim responsibility now and not later.
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thrawn2112
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April 01 2014 02:40 GMT
#1057
amiko my question a few posts above was directed at you
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thrawn2112
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April 01 2014 03:04 GMT
#1060
On April 01 2014 11:48 Tehpoofter wrote:

What do you think about JJD? He has a small filter its easy to read so check it out.


I don't like the position he took where he decide to ignore lynching scum and instead take the "safer route." But I don't think makes him mafia, because he did stay in the thread up till the end and he was trying to get his slam lynch though. So he at least cared about his lynch. rayn was set to be lynched, and rayn was town, so what reason would a scum jarjar have to stay in the thread?

-so he gets "possible" scum points for not rying to lynch mafia over a possible 3rd party
-but he gets town points for at least having the guts the stay in the thread till the lynch and make his case
-and "town" points because mafia JJD had no reason to do what he did, since rayn was set to be lynched

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thrawn2112
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April 01 2014 03:06 GMT
#1062
HEyyyyyy kush man! you were wrong about rayn! how does that make you feel?
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thrawn2112
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April 01 2014 03:12 GMT
#1064
i think we can deduce if the vote changing is mafia or townie based on what effect the votes have on the game

fact: rayn is town
fact: whoever caused the extra vote did not claim it
(future fact: the voter will probably not claim his vote)

seems like a mafia power to me.
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thrawn2112
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April 01 2014 08:42 GMT
#1081
so i am bored and drunk, but oh well.

what I do know of dr who (i've watched like 1.5 seasons) makes me think that maybe scum's wincon is to convert all of us into them or reach a point where nothing can prevent that from happening?

hopefully that is the case because then everyone can win if town's bad enough!

anyways, anyone want to chat?
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thrawn2112
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April 01 2014 08:53 GMT
#1085
who would I like to see talk the most?

hmmm. gumshoe obviously. i would like vivax to talk more, no matter his alignment it will be very good for town if he were to talk more. i wanna hear what kita has to say now that he can't talk about rayn.

i'm kinda hoping that some people will wake up feeling a bit.... different... tomorrow. as it is i have waaay too many non-scum reads.
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thrawn2112
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April 01 2014 09:04 GMT
#1089
why do you keep asking people what they think of austin's case against you
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thrawn2112
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April 01 2014 09:18 GMT
#1096
what's this slip? someone link me
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thrawn2112
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April 01 2014 12:34 GMT
#1107
kush why didnt you anounce your extra vote when it happened
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thrawn2112
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April 01 2014 21:06 GMT
#1173
badass
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thrawn2112
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April 01 2014 21:09 GMT
#1179
not likely because you're probably mafia toad.

can you claim your role?
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thrawn2112
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April 01 2014 21:10 GMT
#1181
actually nvm that. idk what i'm saying
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thrawn2112
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April 01 2014 21:22 GMT
#1193
i did
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thrawn2112
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April 01 2014 21:32 GMT
#1195
you mistake me. i was converted to town from town. now i'm a 4th dimensional townie
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thrawn2112
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April 02 2014 00:29 GMT
#1251
yeah. i haven't read any filters or anything yet though
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thrawn2112
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April 02 2014 00:40 GMT
#1254
I believe it.

But it's not like it has much of anything to do with his alignment, because he could be telling the truth as either alignment. And there's nothing he's done all game that's made me think he's mafia so right now austin is a super green read. Most recent;y the way he went about doing the town/scum djo thing and the conclusions he drew from his own efforts were really townie and probably hard to fake as mafia
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thrawn2112
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April 02 2014 00:43 GMT
#1256
and about not being around for the lynch? eh. either he's telling the truth or he's not, so whatever. that's literally all you can say about it. so you have to look at everything else he's done, and those things indicate that he's town
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thrawn2112
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April 02 2014 00:48 GMT
#1258
Why did you ask me? It didn't look like you were scumreading austin and I'm pretty sure it doesn't look like I'm scumreading austin.
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thrawn2112
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April 02 2014 00:53 GMT
#1259
On April 02 2014 09:47 kitaman27 wrote:
You still think kush is sketchy?

When I went to look at him originally, I found these quotes from persona and golden sun where he was town, which seems to match the same mentality this game.

Show nested quote +
On September 16 2013 20:56 kushm4sta wrote:
OP might not be survivor but he is probably 3p of some type. All the scum are going to be dying to kill him because he is an easy lynch with obvious reasons for wanting to lynch him.


Show nested quote +
On September 17 2013 23:05 kushm4sta wrote:
If i was cop I would defend a survivor in TWO SECONDS because it's a dumb lynch if he's a survivor.


Show nested quote +
On August 21 2013 03:48 kushm4sta wrote:
yawn, boring discussion about survivors. scum love this shit.


It lines up with his position of not lynching slam and suggesting that we look at those that do since mafia are likely to go after third party targets. His post length seems to be what I would expect from a town kush as well.


so my read on kush is kinda fucked

1) going into N1 i was more interested in hearing from him. i town read him early, but he hadn't done much so I needed to see him post more. AND since I was townreading so many other people and felt more confident about those reads, I thought he muight just be scum because of PoE

2) i thought that the hidden vote mechanic must come from mafia

3) kush claims the hidden vote

4) now I think kush is town again lol

it was the way he claimed it that made me think he's town. he wasn't defensive about it and didn't seem to understand that people would find him suspicious for using a hidden vote to lynch town rayn. if he was scum he probably would have not claimed it or the claim would have been at least a bit defensive
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
April 02 2014 01:04 GMT
#1261
idk. alak is pretty closed to confirmed to being not scum so i really don't think it mattered what mafia decided to do with their votes. i'll go look in a bit
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
April 02 2014 01:12 GMT
#1263
bird gods have nothing on 4th dimensional townies
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
April 02 2014 01:40 GMT
#1265
i dunno kita. I really dont. i have a feeling that D2 is going to feel exactly like a normal game's D1
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
April 02 2014 02:29 GMT
#1270
On April 02 2014 11:24 JarJarDrinks wrote:
So it seems no one has a problem w/ me firing my nuke @ slam? Unless someone tries to convince me otherwise I'll do it sometime tomorrow morning.


why aren't you firing it at kita? during the night you said you were treating him as "confirmed scum"

"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
April 02 2014 02:44 GMT
#1277
what do you think about nuking gumshoe?
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
April 02 2014 03:03 GMT
#1284
i was only in favor of the mass claiming because I assumed rayn knew what he was doing and would be able to figure it out. i'd rather hold off on that right now
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
April 02 2014 04:02 GMT
#1301
austin i've already checked, the extra vote happened some time during the 2nd to last and last vote count
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
April 02 2014 04:04 GMT
#1303
GUMSHOE!!


Are you aware that this thread exists?
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
April 02 2014 05:04 GMT
#1327
jjd can you confirm that point #4 happened before he says he's not interested in rayn/slam?
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
April 02 2014 05:23 GMT
#1329
On April 02 2014 14:21 gumshoe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2014 13:55 kushm4sta wrote:
gumshoe why are you talking in the other game and not this one?

##vote gumshoe
until i look into stuf closer


Cause Artanis set up so fun: D in all seriousness I'm pretty much caught up. Will provide awesome case tommorow on super scum read. Also wouldn't mind a mass claim, might help tell us what exactly scum is capable of.


can't you just say something now? you are sorta holding the game hostage
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
April 02 2014 09:36 GMT
#1337
On April 02 2014 14:27 gumshoe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2014 14:23 thrawn2112 wrote:
On April 02 2014 14:21 gumshoe wrote:
On April 02 2014 13:55 kushm4sta wrote:
gumshoe why are you talking in the other game and not this one?

##vote gumshoe
until i look into stuf closer


Cause Artanis set up so fun: D in all seriousness I'm pretty much caught up. Will provide awesome case tommorow on super scum read. Also wouldn't mind a mass claim, might help tell us what exactly scum is capable of.


can't you just say something now? you are sorta holding the game hostage


And if you ever wanna see it again, you will paint me a sketch that us sum irises the whole game perfectly :D


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thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
April 02 2014 09:41 GMT
#1338
vivax are you scumreading tehpoofter?
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
April 02 2014 10:07 GMT
#1340
who knows

are you?
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thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
April 02 2014 10:11 GMT
#1341
vivax unless you're going to say you have doubts about me being town then you need to answer the question
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
April 02 2014 10:29 GMT
#1343
well I am drunk and even still, I know that there is more to his case than what you just described. can you figure out what it is?

hint: D1
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
April 02 2014 10:37 GMT
#1345
I don't know what anything you just said means.

Do you know why tehpoofter suspects you? You left out a main reason, i'm challengin you to figure out what it is.
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
April 02 2014 10:48 GMT
#1350
now I think that conflicts with the reasons you mentioned earlier. I think what tehpoofter brought up was actually a valid point, that you gave support to the rayn lynch while not actually voting for rayn in the end so as not to take the blame for the lynch. "push rayn, but lynch slam... safe scum play" is what i think he's getting at. you say that one of your main problems with tehpoofter's case against you is that you think he's taking advantage of your low post count, and that is definitely NOT what's going on.

so i see here that you're being defensive about your low post count (which was a reason you got lynched as mafia last game) and you are completely misprepresenting the reasons tehpoofter has for voting for you.

any comments?

"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
April 02 2014 10:48 GMT
#1351
On April 02 2014 19:44 Vivax wrote:
Besides if you don't understand my posts maybe you should play sober lol


lol i shall reread when I wake up. but for now I must make do
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thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
April 02 2014 10:55 GMT
#1353
only 4 people voted for rayn.... 5 if you count rayn, and 6 if you count kush's extra vote
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thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
April 02 2014 10:56 GMT
#1355
not really. possibly, but I doubt it.
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
April 02 2014 11:02 GMT
#1358
they wouldn't have needed to vote rayn to secure the rayn lynch. that's what tehpoofter is saying! for example, you supported the rayn lynch during the day, but you managed have your vote end up elsewhere while still accomplishing lynching rayn!
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
April 02 2014 11:03 GMT
#1360
i'm gonna sleep now, i'll answer whatever you have to ask after this when I wake up
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thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
April 02 2014 11:05 GMT
#1362
On April 02 2014 20:04 Vivax wrote:
You claim I supported the rayn lynch, I don't recall it being that way. I consideered he could be scum but I figured he would be a bad lynch during D1.


correct
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thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
April 02 2014 21:17 GMT
#1477
kush u are a hero
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thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
April 02 2014 21:21 GMT
#1481
i stopped getting them after i drew that picture
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
April 02 2014 21:37 GMT
#1491
i'll join your wagon djodref. toad doesn't get to use his no-voting power as an excuse to not play
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
April 03 2014 00:06 GMT
#1534
vivax i understand. but that's just hopeless. he doesn't always do the best job of pushing a town agenda and his votes dont always have pro-town reasons

do you recall this post?

On March 31 2014 16:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Anyways i wanted to lynch kush because for some reason i thought he was sure scum and i said if kush flips town you can lynch me. Hopeless instantly got on the wagon because it would be funny if i was wrong. Seems like the same sort of attitude this game.


"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
April 03 2014 00:54 GMT
#1542
kush you have 2 powers?
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
April 03 2014 00:55 GMT
#1543
earlier you claimed you had a doulbe hiden vote
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
April 03 2014 02:49 GMT
#1562
hey austin. i think we are lynching toad today. how do you feel about that?
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
April 03 2014 03:12 GMT
#1566
jajar anything to say about what kita posted?
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
April 03 2014 07:20 GMT
#1597
hey tehpoofter! are you around? did you get converted or something? why did you stop playing during D2
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thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
April 03 2014 08:52 GMT
#1599
nice post man
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
April 03 2014 09:01 GMT
#1602
so does me voting for you make me super townie?
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
April 03 2014 09:07 GMT
#1603
wtf toad. every one of your posts u are like.... "only dumbasses who havn't read the thread could think i'm maifa or maybe they are mafia...

but oh wait guys i haven't read the thread"

so how could you know that reading the thread would confirm you as town if you haven't read the thread?

do you know that gumshoe is confirmed medic and he saved amiko? so you you are not as confirmed as you would have us believe.
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
April 03 2014 09:11 GMT
#1605
so what are we to do with you?
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
April 03 2014 09:13 GMT
#1606
HEY THREAD

toad is here! talk to him please!
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
April 03 2014 19:41 GMT
#1712
i'm here, agree with not lynching vivax
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
April 03 2014 19:42 GMT
#1714
i work nights and sleep during the day so this deadline is like 3am for me
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
April 03 2014 19:43 GMT
#1716
hey kita. can you give me your bestest best reason for thinking vivax is mafia?
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
April 03 2014 19:51 GMT
#1724
On April 04 2014 04:48 kitaman27 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 04 2014 04:43 thrawn2112 wrote:
hey kita. can you give me your bestest best reason for thinking vivax is mafia?


At the beginning of day one, he argued that we should lynch mafia instead of slam and called a player scummy who settled for the easy slam lynch. Rather than pushing a mafia lynch at any point in the day, he chose to lynch slam mainly because it was better than the alternative.

Then at the beginning of day two, he pushes for a slam nuke. If the only reason he wanted to lynch slam on day one was because he doesn't have any scum reads, why is he pushing a slam nuke, rather than using the 36 hours to find a scum read? He is reproducing the exact behavior he found scummy.


that is so bad.

he is scum for changing his mind?
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
April 03 2014 19:54 GMT
#1728
kita should be scumreading everyone in the thread if that's the logic he's using to read vivax

i don't see anything wrong withvivax pushing to nuke slam?
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
April 03 2014 19:57 GMT
#1734
kita can you go read titanic? go look at scum vivax's filter and tell me if you still think he is mafia here. i'm mostly talking about the posts he made while under pressure of being lynched.
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
April 03 2014 20:27 GMT
#1786
i'm down for kita or towd
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
April 03 2014 20:36 GMT
#1806
because he's not mafia?
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thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
April 03 2014 22:37 GMT
#1889
tehpoofter why did you vote for kita?
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thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
April 04 2014 19:02 GMT
#1947
austin. what changed with the vivax read is all the stuff he posted after i was yelling at him. all the kita vs vivax stuff
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
April 04 2014 19:03 GMT
#1948
anyways I am the worst conversion and anyone who has played with scum me would know that
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
April 04 2014 19:14 GMT
#1959
On April 05 2014 04:05 austinmcc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 05 2014 04:02 thrawn2112 wrote:
austin. what changed with the vivax read is all the stuff he posted after i was yelling at him. all the kita vs vivax stuff
Are you now bubbling over with townie delight at him? You seemed scummy on him for particular things he'd done - his D1 voting, his response to poofter, blah blah.

Just the fact that you were liking kita/toad for scum and vivax was fighting the right way with kita = vivax more likely town?


yep
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
April 04 2014 19:18 GMT
#1963
On April 05 2014 04:16 austinmcc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 05 2014 04:14 thrawn2112 wrote:
On April 05 2014 04:05 austinmcc wrote:
On April 05 2014 04:02 thrawn2112 wrote:
austin. what changed with the vivax read is all the stuff he posted after i was yelling at him. all the kita vs vivax stuff
Are you now bubbling over with townie delight at him? You seemed scummy on him for particular things he'd done - his D1 voting, his response to poofter, blah blah.

Just the fact that you were liking kita/toad for scum and vivax was fighting the right way with kita = vivax more likely town?


yep
If kita flips town, vivax is the reddest red in redville?


no?
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
April 04 2014 19:21 GMT
#1967
On April 05 2014 04:19 austinmcc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 05 2014 04:18 thrawn2112 wrote:
On April 05 2014 04:16 austinmcc wrote:
On April 05 2014 04:14 thrawn2112 wrote:
On April 05 2014 04:05 austinmcc wrote:
On April 05 2014 04:02 thrawn2112 wrote:
austin. what changed with the vivax read is all the stuff he posted after i was yelling at him. all the kita vs vivax stuff
Are you now bubbling over with townie delight at him? You seemed scummy on him for particular things he'd done - his D1 voting, his response to poofter, blah blah.

Just the fact that you were liking kita/toad for scum and vivax was fighting the right way with kita = vivax more likely town?


yep
If kita flips town, vivax is the reddest red in redville?


no?
So vivax is town for the specific WAY he fought with kita? Not just for fighting with kita who you think is mafia?


I don't know if I think kita is mafia. but yes.
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
April 04 2014 19:24 GMT
#1970
On April 05 2014 04:22 kitaman27 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 05 2014 04:21 thrawn2112 wrote:
On April 05 2014 04:19 austinmcc wrote:
On April 05 2014 04:18 thrawn2112 wrote:
On April 05 2014 04:16 austinmcc wrote:
On April 05 2014 04:14 thrawn2112 wrote:
On April 05 2014 04:05 austinmcc wrote:
On April 05 2014 04:02 thrawn2112 wrote:
austin. what changed with the vivax read is all the stuff he posted after i was yelling at him. all the kita vs vivax stuff
Are you now bubbling over with townie delight at him? You seemed scummy on him for particular things he'd done - his D1 voting, his response to poofter, blah blah.

Just the fact that you were liking kita/toad for scum and vivax was fighting the right way with kita = vivax more likely town?


yep
If kita flips town, vivax is the reddest red in redville?


no?
So vivax is town for the specific WAY he fought with kita? Not just for fighting with kita who you think is mafia?


I don't know if I think kita is mafia. but yes.


Well you wanted to lynch me yesterday and neither of us have posted much since then, so what changed?


If I wanted to lynch you yesterday I wouldn't have switched back to toad. As I said, I'm not sure.
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
April 04 2014 19:29 GMT
#1975
On April 05 2014 04:28 austinmcc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 05 2014 04:24 thrawn2112 wrote:
On April 05 2014 04:22 kitaman27 wrote:
On April 05 2014 04:21 thrawn2112 wrote:
On April 05 2014 04:19 austinmcc wrote:
On April 05 2014 04:18 thrawn2112 wrote:
On April 05 2014 04:16 austinmcc wrote:
On April 05 2014 04:14 thrawn2112 wrote:
On April 05 2014 04:05 austinmcc wrote:
On April 05 2014 04:02 thrawn2112 wrote:
austin. what changed with the vivax read is all the stuff he posted after i was yelling at him. all the kita vs vivax stuff
Are you now bubbling over with townie delight at him? You seemed scummy on him for particular things he'd done - his D1 voting, his response to poofter, blah blah.

Just the fact that you were liking kita/toad for scum and vivax was fighting the right way with kita = vivax more likely town?


yep
If kita flips town, vivax is the reddest red in redville?


no?
So vivax is town for the specific WAY he fought with kita? Not just for fighting with kita who you think is mafia?


I don't know if I think kita is mafia. but yes.


Well you wanted to lynch me yesterday and neither of us have posted much since then, so what changed?


If I wanted to lynch you yesterday I wouldn't have switched back to toad. As I said, I'm not sure.
But you wanted to lynch kita/toad.
Show nested quote +
On April 04 2014 05:27 thrawn2112 wrote:
i'm down for kita or towd
30 minutes before lynch.





i only held that opinion at the exact time I made that post. iirc i unvoted kita pretty quickly
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
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April 04 2014 19:35 GMT
#1980
On April 05 2014 04:31 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 05 2014 04:29 thrawn2112 wrote:
On April 05 2014 04:28 austinmcc wrote:
On April 05 2014 04:24 thrawn2112 wrote:
On April 05 2014 04:22 kitaman27 wrote:
On April 05 2014 04:21 thrawn2112 wrote:
On April 05 2014 04:19 austinmcc wrote:
On April 05 2014 04:18 thrawn2112 wrote:
On April 05 2014 04:16 austinmcc wrote:
On April 05 2014 04:14 thrawn2112 wrote:
[quote]

yep
If kita flips town, vivax is the reddest red in redville?


no?
So vivax is town for the specific WAY he fought with kita? Not just for fighting with kita who you think is mafia?


I don't know if I think kita is mafia. but yes.


Well you wanted to lynch me yesterday and neither of us have posted much since then, so what changed?


If I wanted to lynch you yesterday I wouldn't have switched back to toad. As I said, I'm not sure.
But you wanted to lynch kita/toad.
On April 04 2014 05:27 thrawn2112 wrote:
i'm down for kita or towd
30 minutes before lynch.





i only held that opinion at the exact time I made that post. iirc i unvoted kita pretty quickly


Reason?=


reason for what?

look I've never been sure about kita's alignment all game long. the times i've called him x or y alignment, i've never felt confident about it. he is the biggest question mark for me, because he generally talks in a townie way, but I always find his pushes to be.... beneath his ability? I've never read a kita case this game and thought "hmm, I agree with this case and now I think kita's target is scummier than before." And I feel like that is something that should happen if kita is town. BUT I think he just posts in a townie way. So it's not as black and white as "I want to lynch kita" even if that's what I said.
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
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April 04 2014 19:42 GMT
#1984
On April 05 2014 04:36 kitaman27 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 05 2014 04:19 kitaman27 wrote:
On April 05 2014 04:16 austinmcc wrote:
On April 05 2014 04:14 thrawn2112 wrote:
On April 05 2014 04:05 austinmcc wrote:
On April 05 2014 04:02 thrawn2112 wrote:
austin. what changed with the vivax read is all the stuff he posted after i was yelling at him. all the kita vs vivax stuff
Are you now bubbling over with townie delight at him? You seemed scummy on him for particular things he'd done - his D1 voting, his response to poofter, blah blah.

Just the fact that you were liking kita/toad for scum and vivax was fighting the right way with kita = vivax more likely town?


yep
If kita flips town, vivax is the reddest red in redville?


lol I don't plan on flipping unless mafia shoots me based on my claim.


Thrawn, was it this post of mine that shifted your views?


no but it's posts like that one. I was already back to null reading you right before before the D2 deadline
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thrawn2112
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April 04 2014 19:55 GMT
#1988
I didn't say I'm currently townie on kita austin. the theme of this whole conversation is that I DONT KNOW what my read on kita is. if I had a read to give you I'd give it to you, but I simple don't. the kinds of posts I'm talking about like the one kita quoted, are the kinds of posts you yourself look for to try and town read people. it's the casual flippant conversational type of posts that seem more like a townie posting their immediate thoughts. I think the first time I notived kita making a post like that was at the D1 deadline, when some people started voting for gumshoe and kita made some comment about the wagon (like a disaproving, you guys are silly type of comment). So I find the way he converses with people to be townie. I just get a bad feeling about him because of his main D1 and D2 pushes. HENCE the confusion and my inability to commit to a kita read.
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thrawn2112
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April 04 2014 19:57 GMT
#1990
i haven't really pushed anyone yet lol
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thrawn2112
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April 04 2014 20:01 GMT
#1994
"You are Artie Maitland, brother of Angie Maitland. Luckily for you, Clara Oswald is your nanny, so you were able to travel to one of the greatest amusement parks in the galaxy, Hedgewick’s World of Wonders, and that’s pretty much all you’re known for.

You win with the Town."
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thrawn2112
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April 04 2014 20:44 GMT
#2039
can someone give me an easy to follow summary of all the claim stuff that happened before the D2 deadline? like the whole hopeless/vivax/jjd stuff? as well as the stuff related to those claims that have happened since?
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thrawn2112
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April 04 2014 20:56 GMT
#2051
i'm most interested in hearing kush's full claim. in fact I think i will be policy voting him until he posts it, becasue I don't think the sneaky extra D1 vote sistuation has been resolved adequately
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thrawn2112
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April 04 2014 21:00 GMT
#2056
On April 05 2014 05:58 austinmcc wrote:
i'm still interested in vivax / kita / toad stuff from you.


can you specifcy what exactly you are looking for? because I think you are assuming I made some reads that I didn't
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thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
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April 04 2014 21:07 GMT
#2064
ok..... according to djo's role he must give the item to a player

so who got the scumometer?
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thrawn2112
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April 04 2014 21:28 GMT
#2090
austin?
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thrawn2112
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April 05 2014 01:40 GMT
#2142
kush [post your role pm
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thrawn2112
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April 05 2014 01:43 GMT
#2146
why didn't you inform town that your vote was going to count twice on D1?
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thrawn2112
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April 05 2014 01:47 GMT
#2150
On April 05 2014 10:45 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 05 2014 10:43 thrawn2112 wrote:
why didn't you inform town that your vote was going to count twice on D1?


He did -.-

On another note I can see that being a town role so for now I'll roll with kush as town and guess at scum being kita/thrawn/poofter


no he didn't

and really? you think day vigs are town exclusive roles?
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thrawn2112
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April 05 2014 01:49 GMT
#2151
kush do you know if the check returns intantly?
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thrawn2112
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April 05 2014 01:58 GMT
#2157
i would prefer a check only on one of kita/me, especially if it's an insta-check
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thrawn2112
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April 05 2014 02:15 GMT
#2162
poofter, really? Iirc you have included me in all of your top tier town groups? What's changed?
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thrawn2112
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April 05 2014 02:25 GMT
#2163
+ Show Spoiler +
On April 04 2014 08:02 Tehpoofter wrote:
So first off I'm looking at what we know so far no NK n1 3P survivor, shrink, doctor, Toad's role.
We also have other claims at being blue Watcher from hopeless, Kush says hes day vig plus double vote (you didnt use your power today I'm assuming based on the vote counts), Vivax, JJD some types of visiting roles. Also There is someone who gave a nuke to JJD as he said he didn't make it. So we're looking at assuming all roles are blue, 7 blue town power roles and a 3P survivor that seems insanely high to me unless mafia has some big role maybe kill + conversion and I would think points to there being 2+ on the first day or it doesn't seem very balanced. I'll say it now but I think one of the blue roles is most likely mafia, or at the least 3P. Now maybe thats not the case but that only leaves Me, Austin, Kita, DJO, Amiko Thrawn (I believe) and for me I think kita/Djo would be the only possible scum team there I mean Amiko maybe cause of Austin's case I could maybe see him being that constructed but it still reads town so doesn't ping as super scummy to me.


So my list of reads atm:

Town Hero: Tehpoofter
Town:
Thrawn
Austin

Blues: (I think one is scum hopeless claim is the most townie cause it seems silly for scum to claim when they did.) Kush reaction was good to gum even though he shot the medic I'd have done the same as town although his role does seem really strong. Vivax probably the most scummy claim wise cause he was reluctant to give up his visit. But I was going to move my vote off him based on play so I still give him town points. JJD Seemed to try to get hopeless on that whole fakeclaim thing thats the 3rd occurance of him really pushing a scum read on something slip like to me it pings scummy because of my background as I highlighted in a previous post but it may be different on the forums.
Kush
Vivax
Hopeless
JJD

Neutral Pile:
Amiko - Has seemed very town in his posts but austin's case against him makes me question how much of it is off the cuff and not preplanned... its easy to look town if you know whats going on. I don't fully believe this read and would love to have more interaction with Amiko but if all blue claims are real it has to be someone else so he goes to neutral as I'm stronger on thrawn/Austin atm being town.
DJO - He hasn't really done much of note for me I was making this list and in my head thought "idk where I stand on DJO tbh" so its null for me and hes not a blue role claim so he stands at neutral. I will try to reread his filter but probably cant get around to it for 6-7 hours as I'm at work and want to catch up on other games as this one is night phase atm.

Most likely Scum:
Kita
- I think he has pushed on two lynches rayn first then vivax if vivax is town this makes him look even scummier in my eyes. He pushed on both their lynches later in the day after I had already been pushing on both from the start of the day he also calls me null when if we're in the same mindset wouldn't he think me more town he doesn't even mention our similar pushes in his reads. Now for me I like that he pushed on those people but he has been around at both EoD when I've been hesitant and reconsidered both my reads and he didn't with rayn or vivax just left his vote where it is. So to me it seems like someone scummy hoping on an established wagon to push someone into a lynch and not reconsidering at EoD.


like based on that post i don't know why you'd like to check me and kita
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thrawn2112
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April 05 2014 02:37 GMT
#2164
I think tehpoofter was converted n1. I just counted his posts and his D1/N1 posts account for 71% of his posts this game. he stopped being the super inquisitive towny guy he started out as. during D1 I remember thinking that he probably had submitted the most "real" content to the thread in terms of discussing reads and layong out theories, etc. After N1 all this stopped, and his scumhunting has been largely reduced to claim speculation.

So what say you tehpoofter?
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thrawn2112
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April 05 2014 02:39 GMT
#2165
also, I can no longer feel that special "tehpoofter" tingly feeling that lets me know he is 100% townie
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thrawn2112
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April 05 2014 02:56 GMT
#2168
austin my memory doesn't work that way. you are going to have to ask very specific questions for me to even have a chance at remembering what i was thinking. like for example, you just claimed that i said I liked tehpoofter's points on vivax from D2. I have no idea what you are talking about here, I don't remember reading anything tehpoofter said about vivax during D2

although tbh, i'd prefer not to even have this conversation. So how about you give me 24 hours and if I'm not super townie again we can talk?
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thrawn2112
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April 05 2014 03:02 GMT
#2169
On April 05 2014 11:54 Tehpoofter wrote:
As for kita I had him on my scum list on N1 and the start of day 1 I did list others as more suspicious but once claims started happening I decided lynching into any blues when we had already lost 2 (shrink/medic) wouldn't be good for town so I went on my top scumread outside the claims which was kita.

I'd be interested in theories on the night kills we had 0 then 2. I know the "lovers" role is common on epic mafia I'm not sure how it plays in here but thats one option for the 2 kills. I thought I read something in one of the flavor bits that might have pointed to it but I need to reread closer. I'm glad more people gave reads last night than the night before hopefully we can keep an eye on that and see who goes shifting around.


i dont think that is a helpful thing to talk about. like if we had more info, sure.

but can you answer why you wanted the check to go on thrawn/kita?
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thrawn2112
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April 05 2014 03:07 GMT
#2171
austin I'm not going to do the other thing you suggested either. well I might, but if so it'll only be done for some other reasons not related to your questioning.

instead i'm just going to start focus on playing the game seriously going forwards because I think that will benefit town more than the other options
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thrawn2112
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April 05 2014 03:20 GMT
#2174
see austin like right now is what i'm talking about

tehpoofter is taking so long to respond to stuff, and i don't remember him being so sluggish or... unresponsive during D1. at the top of this page he mentioned his next post being an answer regarding the kita stuff, and it takes him 40 minutes to write this...

On April 05 2014 11:54 Tehpoofter wrote:
As for kita I had him on my scum list on N1 and the start of day 1 I did list others as more suspicious but once claims started happening I decided lynching into any blues when we had already lost 2 (shrink/medic) wouldn't be good for town so I went on my top scumread outside the claims which was kita.

I'd be interested in theories on the night kills we had 0 then 2. I know the "lovers" role is common on epic mafia I'm not sure how it plays in here but thats one option for the 2 kills. I thought I read something in one of the flavor bits that might have pointed to it but I need to reread closer. I'm glad more people gave reads last night than the night before hopefully we can keep an eye on that and see who goes shifting around.


...and he still hasn't answered a question I asked him an hour ago, about why he wants to check me.

So do you see why I'm saying he seems like a completely different person?
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thrawn2112
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April 05 2014 03:25 GMT
#2176
On April 05 2014 12:22 austinmcc wrote: Especially if you think he was converted, then it would still be optimal for town to take out whoever is DOING the converting, and therefore, poofter is a fallback lynch for you and you want to be hunting for Da Mafia Boss.


that's just stupid

there is no way that if i think i've found mafia that I'm going to ignore that

and REALLY austin. I wish there were players in this game that knew me, they would be able to tell you that I am the worst conversion target ever on the forum.
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thrawn2112
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April 05 2014 03:28 GMT
#2180
no idc about kita right now lol. i know that's the worst answer i can give but you're just gonna have to deal with it. the nature of my kita read makes it literally impossible for me to say anything helpful about him. I've looked over his filter multiple times this game and not once has it led me to a solid conclusion, so I don't feel like slogging through it yet again. as soon as i have something to say, I will, till then, I won't.
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
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April 05 2014 03:34 GMT
#2183
On April 05 2014 12:29 Vivax wrote:
You don't have to look at his filter, you only have to look at what I said. That huge post where he mentions multiple people but then only pushes rayn and seemingly doesn't care about them.


OK, I just looked at it and the amount of time that elapsed between that post and the post where he starts pushing to lynch rayn was just about 30 hours. I think 30 hours is.. plenty of time for someone's reads to change.

So no, I don't think what you're pointing out is scummy.
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thrawn2112
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April 05 2014 03:37 GMT
#2185
On April 05 2014 12:30 austinmcc wrote:
Okay, then should we be scumometer-ing Kita? Poofter? Should kush use it on himself and promise not to lie about results?


I already gave an answer to this. I think, objectively, town's best play is to use it on either myself or kita. Probably kita, because I have faith in my ability to not get mislynched. But objectively, considering the suspicions of everyone in the game right now, it is probably best for town to know thrawn and kita's alignments.

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thrawn2112
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April 05 2014 03:40 GMT
#2188
that would be who i would use it on if I was thinking selfishly.
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thrawn2112
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April 05 2014 03:40 GMT
#2189
On April 05 2014 12:39 austinmcc wrote:
Thrawn what is your favorite kind of cookie?


choc
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thrawn2112
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April 05 2014 03:48 GMT
#2192
Ok tehpoofter here is a nonrelated question.

When you saw the recent flips, what were your first thoughts?

(i'm looking for thoughts regarding scum, not setup speculation stuff)
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thrawn2112
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April 05 2014 03:57 GMT
#2196
On April 05 2014 12:54 Tehpoofter wrote:
@thrawn its odd you're so suspicious of me and don't want to check me.


if more people come around to me being townie then i prefer the check going to kita/you. when I say i want kita or me to be checked, i'm talking about what's probably best for the thread, at this exact moment
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thrawn2112
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April 05 2014 03:58 GMT
#2197
On April 05 2014 12:56 Tehpoofter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 05 2014 12:48 thrawn2112 wrote:
Ok tehpoofter here is a nonrelated question.

When you saw the recent flips, what were your first thoughts?

(i'm looking for thoughts regarding scum, not setup speculation stuff)



Kita is mafia. JJD had a role that could do something to others kita as mafia would know that its not a medic/shrink/inventor since JJD had the nuke yesterday. Austin lived through the night so unlikely to be vigi my next thought would be cop. JJD was going saying adamantly against kita if I recall correctly. So that was my first thought that Kita didn't want a cop claim with a red on him thus

The reason I bring up the lover's thing is cause DJO was a random kill idk why he was targeted.


why was djo the random kill and not jjd?
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thrawn2112
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April 05 2014 20:12 GMT
#2269
austin are you shipping both kita/kush as original scum?
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thrawn2112
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April 05 2014 20:32 GMT
#2275
austin.

kush's meata changes a lot. he doesn't always buss. but as scum he pretty consistently as this air of confidence that he doesn't as town due to him not knowing alignments as town. so I think you can sweep aside your meta doubts because imo this does actually look like scum kush.

I do like what you posted near the top of the page regarding kush/kita, but honestly I am more convinced by this

On April 06 2014 05:20 austinmcc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 06 2014 05:12 thrawn2112 wrote:
austin are you shipping both kita/kush as original scum?
Right now, yeah.

I like your D1.
I like amiko's D1.
I'm town.
I have thought Vivax is townie, and he hasn't done anything to really worry me about that yet.

I hate poofter's D1 but like him since, and I don't think that fits for someone who's been scum fo evah.

That leaves me hopeless/kita/kush.


I'll do my own read of kush and tell you what I think. But for now I am glad that my vote is still on him.
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thrawn2112
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April 05 2014 20:33 GMT
#2277
except that I love poofter's D1 and don't like him too much since
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thrawn2112
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April 05 2014 21:17 GMT
#2280
Ok. Sneak peak of the result of my kush filter-dive is that I think he's mafia.

+ Show Spoiler +
On March 31 2014 22:15 kushm4sta wrote:
I disagree with foolishness hydra. I know exactly what is going on with slam. Third party with a specific win condition. Terrible lynch and that is a fact not an opinion.


As austin mentioned, kush is too quick to come to the conclusion that slam can only be survivor. And this post is a perfect example of the kush scum meta I mentioned.


+ Show Spoiler +
So Austin pointed out some weirdness with the interactions between kush and kita but there is more weirdness I just found that austin didn't touch on.

On April 01 2014 21:43 kushm4sta wrote:
Questions for Kita
Why is the boldified relevant?
Have you ever played with town rayn before? I'm sure you have. In that game, was he not super sure about his reads d1?
Why do you write more about how hopeless is scum, yet you push the rayn lynch? In your last post about rayn, which is not quoted, half of it is saying why you think he might be town. So basically, what made rayn a better lynch than hopeless yesterday?


Notice how formal kush is being when talking to kita? Now go look at kush's filter, he pretty much acts like an ass most of the time. When he questions other people is more aggresive and... needlessly antagonistic than he is with kita.


+ Show Spoiler +
On April 02 2014 23:06 kushm4sta wrote:.
Furthermore, think of Kita as a person. I don't know him that well, but from what I've seen, I seriously doubt he would be the kind of flashy scum player to try to get rayn mislynched D1. I see kita as being a less confrontational scum player.
Yes that meta is based on complete assumption.


and yeah this is just really awkward and bad.


+ Show Spoiler +
OK. So here is an event that bought kush a lot of town cred.

On April 03 2014 04:34 kushm4sta wrote:
eh we arne't wasting this day talking about gumshoe
##kill gumshoe


The line "eh we arne't wasting this day talking about gumshoe" seems... a bit off considering kush is supposed to be shooting gumshoe becuase gumshoe claimed kush's flavor name. Like if player x says he's flavor z, and player y is actually flavor z, and player y decides that player x's claim is worth insta-shooting him for... I'd expect player y to be much more... enthusiastic about the kill? This is hard to describe, basically I'm saying that if kush was shooting gumshoe for the reasons he is supposed to be shooting gumshoe, he would have had a completely different attitude about it than "eh we arne't wasting this day talking about gumshoe."


+ Show Spoiler +
On April 05 2014 18:23 kushm4sta wrote:
ok so i just read kita. d1 is really townie but then his activity falls off a lot. I wasn't really thinking about scum that could have been converted but yeah both kita and tehpoof look like possible conversions.
I'm checking kita.


So I do not know why kush decided to check kita. It doesn't make sense considering kush's earlier kita super town read. He includes the bit about kita being a possible conversion... and that small bit is enough to convince kush that he should use his OP instant cop check on a player he's been defending all game, instead of one of his scum suspects? So kush's use of this scumometer does not make sense.

And as Austin said.. kush came in and announced the green result.... and nothing else. No "oh I was right all along you dumbasses" or "hmm that's interesting this means that X is probably mafia." I guarantee that if a I had the scumometer, checked kita, and a town result then I would definietly start drawing conclusions about other players alignments.


SOOOOOOOOOO..... yes I think kush is mafia. and he is probably mafia with kita and they were both probably mafia on D1.

i'll read kita and post my thoughts later today (austin and vivax gonna be so happy)

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thrawn2112
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April 05 2014 21:25 GMT
#2282
tbh it might not happen for awhile lol
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thrawn2112
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April 05 2014 21:32 GMT
#2284
tehpoofter, howcome you have only been scumhunting through role speculation lately? it's literally all you've been doing
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thrawn2112
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April 05 2014 22:02 GMT
#2289
right now, kush.
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thrawn2112
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April 05 2014 22:12 GMT
#2291
i dunno. i changed my mind about you in the last couple hours and gained kita as a scumread because a combination of austin's points on kita/kush, my own reading of kush's filter, and I just realized that the way you're postnig prob makes you town. becasue you are trying to solve the game in a way where you have to assume that you are town.

so Kush, for sure. then maybe kita? If those two are mafia, especially if kush is mafia, then I think kita was also probably mafia during D1. I think we have 3 scum right now otherwise this game would probably be over already, which means that we maybe started with 2 mafia on D1? so my picks for those two are kush/kita. as far as a converted read.... i need to read amiko. previously I would have said this was you but right now I'm not really feeling it
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April 05 2014 22:14 GMT
#2292
wait so kush presumably has 2 votes today, right? and if he's mafia, and there are currently 3 mafia, shouldn't we be in end game?

I think that is right. If there are currently 3 mafia and kush is one of them.... then we should have been end gamed already?
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April 05 2014 22:16 GMT
#2293
nvm, I misread kush's PM
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April 05 2014 23:06 GMT
#2297
did you believe him?
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April 05 2014 23:14 GMT
#2303
yah i agree with austin. moderately interesting.
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April 05 2014 23:17 GMT
#2305
just post your role pm please!
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April 05 2014 23:26 GMT
#2311
On April 06 2014 08:07 austinmcc wrote:
ALSO WTF. THAT MEANS THAT BASICALLY 20% OF EVERYTHING GUMSHOE POSTED THIS GAME, OR WHATEVER % IT WOULD BE, IS JUST CLAIMING TO BE THINGS HE WASN'T.


43%
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April 05 2014 23:30 GMT
#2319
vivax. the scumometer was announced by a mod. so you are just wrong
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thrawn2112
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April 05 2014 23:31 GMT
#2320
like We KNOW the scumometer exists. we have to rely on kush for any other info about it other than that it exists
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April 06 2014 01:09 GMT
#2344
kush why did yu check kita after townreading him all game
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April 06 2014 01:14 GMT
#2346
but you called him town all game long
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April 06 2014 01:19 GMT
#2349
so your game long kita town read was fake?
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April 06 2014 01:41 GMT
#2354
so kush wtf are you doing in the thread right now. what are you trying to accomplish
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April 06 2014 02:31 GMT
#2378
kkita, what abtuo kush
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April 06 2014 05:56 GMT
#2411
amiko i'd rather you come up with some original stuff instead of you commenting on other people's posts
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April 06 2014 06:14 GMT
#2419
dont be silly vivax
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April 06 2014 06:21 GMT
#2421
i want him to post something that will move the thread along. what he's doing isn't

who knows if he is scum, i sure don't. I don't think he's a priority though. but either way, no matter his alignment, it's best for town if he posts his own stuff instead of writing non conclusive essays about every big case that comes up
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April 06 2014 06:24 GMT
#2423
eh nvm amiko. keep doing whatever you feel is best
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thrawn2112
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April 06 2014 06:35 GMT
#2427
i wanted to save rayn

i wanted to lynch gumshoe

i was meh about slam.

it was starting to look like lymching slam would be the only way I could save rayn so I caved in and wrote that post. the "i will not like it" part specifically refers to me having to concede my gumshoe lynch, and lynch slam, who i didn';t care to lynch, in order to save rayn
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April 06 2014 06:50 GMT
#2429
i dont remember if i've played with mafia hopeless. i do remember playing with town hopwless, and most of the time I am very very certain about him being mafia at some point in the game until I realize that it's hopeless to scum read hopeless for the kinds of things that town hopeless is capable of saying

so it's based on past experience. i basically just gave up and decided that scummy hopeless doesn't equal a scum hopeless... which is a lesson i've had to learn over and over again.

and I was sheeping rayn a little
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April 06 2014 06:51 GMT
#2430
that's literally all I remember about that read. my memory doesn;t go back that far,
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April 06 2014 19:36 GMT
#2474
lol
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thrawn2112
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April 06 2014 20:24 GMT
#2480
i disbelieve that he used the scumometer
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April 06 2014 20:27 GMT
#2482
wtf vivax?
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April 06 2014 20:27 GMT
#2483
i was the OG-kush voter
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April 06 2014 22:01 GMT
#2494
I just read kush's filter, and I've come away with it with the opposite opinion I did during D3.. tbh I think kush's filter mostly clears kita, at least for D1. In my big post on kush I mentioned that kush's #1 scum meta tell is that he comes across as super confident. This is because he likes being able to give correct reads because it is easy to do so as mafia. Kush likng to buss is a subset of that, it's all part of kush wanting to sound smart, look good after flips, and the fact that it's easy for him as mafia to give the thread a correct read.

So all that stuff he wrote about kita fits pretty well with how I'd expect kush to act when he's giving a correct read.

On April 02 2014 23:06 kushm4sta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 31 2014 08:33 kitaman27 wrote:
hopeless vs slam is more appealing to me than rayn vs slam at the moment.

Even if I disagree with some of thing things he is saying, he is taking more stances and following through with them. hope on the other hand is kinda just there responding when he is called upon.


jjd, you are misunderstanding this post I think. Basically the important part is at the moment. Then a combination of two things happened. Rayn did some shit kita found scummy AND kita reconsidered the scumminess in rayn's play.

To me, Kita's thought process is VERY transparent. He wrote at least two long ass posts dealing with his reads and the thought process behind them. His play would be extremely hard to pull off as scum I think.

Furthermore, think of Kita as a person. I don't know him that well, but from what I've seen, I seriously doubt he would be the kind of flashy scum player to try to get rayn mislynched D1. I see kita as being a less confrontational scum player.
Yes that meta is based on complete assumption.


Yeah the last paragrpah is bad and awkward. But the awkwardness doesn't have to implicate kita, it could just be scummy awkwardness on kush's part. The first two paragraphs are what I was talking about at the start of this post. He sound oh so confident, you can just tell that he is taking secret delight in being able to give a well thought out read and correct read. Kush just likes being right as scum. It's his main meta tell. And the read I get from all the stuff he wrote about kita during D1 is that kush is "being right as scum."

So I don't think kita is mafia, at least not during D1. So did kush lie to us about kita's alignment?

Eh. If kush lied about it then he would be implicating himself or kita should the other one be lynched. I don't think that's very likely to happen, especially considering how far ahead scum was. It's not like they needed to pull of anything crazy. I refuse to go into all the wifom that kush wants us to go into, I think the explanation I just gave is the most likely explanation.

So I guess I think kita is town after all!
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April 06 2014 22:03 GMT
#2496
hey amiko, when do you plan on being around today?
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April 06 2014 22:07 GMT
#2498
i'm just trying to figure out when you plan on deciding on this nuke thing because I want to be around for that
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April 06 2014 22:13 GMT
#2501
right now I'd say i'm most comfortable nuking into hopeless/tehpoofter.

Austin aint mafia, that's just obvious. I think kita is town, and I especially think he was town on D1 as per my recent post. Amiko has felt generally townie throughout the game for various reasons.

I need to reaffirm my feelings on vivax before looking into hope/tehpoofter... but I really, really don't think he is mafia. I think he's too engaged with the thread to be mafia.

So that leaves hopeless (who I honestly completely forgot about until vivax asked me about something) and tehpoofter. Right now I can't think of any good reasons for either of them to be town based on stuff that's happened recently. If I had to guess I would say hopeless would be original scum, and tehpoofter was converted.
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April 06 2014 22:20 GMT
#2504
i dont think it's possible to have 4 scum during d4 if that's what you're implynig vivax. it would have been 4v4.
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thrawn2112
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April 06 2014 22:33 GMT
#2508
who is rose? the person that hopeless is connected with? that's vivax right? and vivax what was your role again?
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April 06 2014 22:39 GMT
#2511
so hopeless role is that he watches the person the DT checks?
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April 06 2014 22:40 GMT
#2514
i don't know why that would be a scum role tbh..
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thrawn2112
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April 06 2014 22:41 GMT
#2516
well what use is that role to mafia? i can see it being of use to town, like he might be able to watch for framers
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April 06 2014 22:42 GMT
#2518
so you think kush lied about kita? lol
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April 06 2014 22:44 GMT
#2520
i dont see how hopeless can have a fake role. didn't he announce his results before other people confirmed them? so the actual role mechanics have to be true right? and i'm still not seeing how his role can be useful to mafia
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April 06 2014 22:46 GMT
#2523
lol my kita read is changing with each new post in the thread
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April 06 2014 22:50 GMT
#2525
i think we nuke tehpoofter.
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thrawn2112
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April 06 2014 23:06 GMT
#2530
no lol. i was bored
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thrawn2112
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April 06 2014 23:30 GMT
#2539
On April 07 2014 08:28 Vivax wrote:
Thrawn you aren't the scum converter are you?


yep
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thrawn2112
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April 06 2014 23:31 GMT
#2540
my guess would be kush. because of redacted
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April 06 2014 23:34 GMT
#2542
hopeless who do we nuke?
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April 06 2014 23:37 GMT
#2544
vivax, there is part of kush's role that we aren't allowed to know
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thrawn2112
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April 06 2014 23:39 GMT
#2546
yeah i guess it would be pretty assholey of hosts to not tell us if we killed the converter
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April 06 2014 23:42 GMT
#2548
well awesome, i guess
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thrawn2112
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April 06 2014 23:53 GMT
#2551
##vote nuke tp

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April 07 2014 02:04 GMT
#2564
vivax can you explain what the "missing" night action is? or the "extra" one? or whatever you're talking about lol.
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April 07 2014 02:05 GMT
#2566
why would scum hopeless lie about his results?
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April 07 2014 02:33 GMT
#2570
well i'm still lost
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thrawn2112
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April 07 2014 02:51 GMT
#2588
lmao
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April 07 2014 02:53 GMT
#2592
btw amiko i fully agree with waiting for austin to chime in before you fire off that nuke
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April 07 2014 03:06 GMT
#2602
tehpoofter so afk

still seems like the best nuke to me
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April 07 2014 03:27 GMT
#2620
uh ##vote un-nuke: tehpoofter
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April 07 2014 04:52 GMT
#2659
austin you make me sad
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April 07 2014 04:57 GMT
#2662
because he's my scumbuddy
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thrawn2112
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April 07 2014 04:58 GMT
#2665
really though because i'm undecided
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April 07 2014 07:34 GMT
#2677
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thrawn2112
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April 07 2014 08:22 GMT
#2678
amiko thank you so much for doing that. now i wont have to commit to a read on kita
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thrawn2112
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April 07 2014 21:04 GMT
#2702
heh
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thrawn2112
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April 07 2014 21:13 GMT
#2703
On April 02 2014 01:50 kushm4sta wrote:
is kita a guy who hates playing scum?


lol
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April 07 2014 21:26 GMT
#2706
see austin. my kita/kush d1 read was right
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April 07 2014 21:33 GMT
#2710
On April 08 2014 06:26 Amiko wrote:

N1: No kills
N2: 2 kills
N3: 1 kill

Would you speculate a little about setup given the above kill patterns?


my guess would be a conversion n1. kita. probably only that because being able to convert/kill on the same night sounds op

n2... maybe kita used his vig power? kita claimed to protect austin, that could easily be a cover for his vig shot. i'm still for whatever reason not able to fully grasp all the weird watcher claims that happened earlier so I don't know if my idea fits with what's been claimed. but since we havne't had a vig claim, and 2 scum vig roles is a bit much, my guess is that kita did the dirty. and then scum did a night kill. that would mean no conversion.

n3.. scum nk

what would I speculate about the setup given the above? idk lol. nothing, really.
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thrawn2112
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April 07 2014 21:41 GMT
#2712
oh yeah, kita lied about his role. he said he was a vet, when he was actually a vig. so he was trying to cover up his n2 vig shot.
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April 07 2014 21:45 GMT
#2714
On April 08 2014 06:42 Amiko wrote:
I'm writing a bit of a response, but thrawn he did have vet powers while he was town.


hmm?

Thankfully, your sonic screwdriver can do practically anything. This means you have the following three abilities to choose from each night: vig, track, roleblock
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thrawn2112
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April 07 2014 21:49 GMT
#2717
oh. well he still lied about having the vig shot. so i still think it's safe to assume he used it.

(not that any of this really matters though)
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thrawn2112
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April 07 2014 22:31 GMT
#2718
my vote is on hopeless.

tehpoofter was my 2nd strongest read during D1. I read him correctly in the previous game and during D1 he felt similar enough to that game, plus he was one of the more active people in the thread. he was more active D1 than the last time I saw him roll town, and i don't expect his scum play to actually look townier than his town play.

so that means it's hopeless. meh. i still feel like tehpoofter is currently scummier than hopeless, but my D1 read was so strong that it trumps all of that.
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April 07 2014 22:41 GMT
#2720
nothing
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thrawn2112
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April 07 2014 22:43 GMT
#2721
amiko he most definitely used a vig shot. why else would he lie abuot having the vig role?
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thrawn2112
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April 07 2014 23:09 GMT
#2723
can we talk about who we think is scum instead of this?
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April 07 2014 23:23 GMT
#2726
it was during d2
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April 07 2014 23:29 GMT
#2727
austin when you're around i want to talk about the stuff you found scummy about tehpoofter during d1
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April 08 2014 05:15 GMT
#2731
austin wtf? you think I was original scum?
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
April 08 2014 05:49 GMT
#2732
I think it shuld be pretty obvious that that's very very unlikely, I just read my own filter, and what I'm referring to is in N1.
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
April 08 2014 06:21 GMT
#2735
On April 08 2014 15:13 Amiko wrote:
I see the game state like this:
It's possible there was no conversion last night. Even if there was, there was at least one scum beforehand.

So, my preference is between tehpoofter, hopeless, and thrawn for the lynch.

After reading hopeless, I felt he could be scum, but less chance than kita.
After reading poofter I feel he was pretty towny, though I haven't done kita<->poofter yet.
I haven't reread thrawn again yet... maybe I wrote this before but I feel like I didn't come away with too much when I did it before, maybe I will now that kita and kush flipped scum though.

Thrawn you felt hopeless would be a better lynch than poofter, correct?
Is it that you feel poofter is town? Or that you feel hopeless is scum? What's your thinking when you compare the two?


Yes, tehpoofter's D1 looks incredibly townie. I think there's no possible way for him to be original scum. I played with him in a game right before this, and I immediately recognized him as town based off his first post. His D1 in this game felt close enough to that other game for me to give him the same read. Not only that, but his activity in this game was like 3x his activity in the other game. He's a new player and I don't think many new players are capable of having a more active scum game than town game. I haven't looked much into hopeless filter yet but that's just because of how strongly I feel about tehpoofter's D1.

BTW. There is no way that I'm original mafia and I make this post during N1:

On April 01 2014 11:00 thrawn2112 wrote:
yep, what slam just said. You and austin are both pretty strong town reads for me. Toad seems town, i guess? He made a pont about him becoming less worried about me after i started responding to him normally, and now i'd like to make the pont that I like that he likes that i started responding to him normally. The only voter not on the rayn wagon was gumshoe. Simply due to the number of town reads I have, I wouldn't be surprised at all if he was mafia. Austin made a good pont earlier n that his inactivity shouldn't be alignment indicative becasue he posts more as scum and town, but it's his willingness to troll about flavor and be absolutely useless when he does post that makes him scummy.

I still thnk that kita was probably right, that there wern't that many mafia members on D1. Or even if it was some sort of X role (i cant remember the role name, it';s where you are mafia but dont know alignments and your team has to find you) then they would still be hard to find becaue they'd be posting without information about alignments, so they would look like town.

So I think the remaining (likely few, or few "catchable" mafia) would be on the rayn wagon.

kushm4sta, hopeless1der, kitaman27, Amiko, raynpelikoneet (5)

hosts can you clarify that the final votecount which showed 6 on rayn is correct

I didnt pay full attention to the argument slam had about the votecounts but didn't hosts confirm that the count was accurate? that would be there are some hidden voting mechanics going on. People need to claim this ASAP if this is the case imo.

So who on that list is likely to be mafia? I doubt it's kita. I was slightly townreading him for his gimmick at the start of the game, and he made a very casual post near the deadline about "here comes the swtich" which I don't excpect to come form a scum player who is about to get their mislynch. I don't thionk hopeless is scum, i'd like to sheep rayn and austin's reads on him. Amiko I previously thought was town, I will read his filter again and tell you what I think in a bit. But I remember townreading him for all the research he did at the start of the game.

and that leads me to.....

KUSH get the fuck in here


note that I was the first person to notice and call out the extra vote mechanics. i talked about the extra vote for much of N1, talking about how scummy it was and how the person who did it needs to claim, etc. do you really think I would do that if I were kush's scummate?

I know that when he finally announced that the extra vote was his, I townread him for it even after saying the extra voter is probably mafia. But I think my reasons for doing so were justified, and if you read the post where that happens it should come across as pretty honest because I was speaking very directly about the weird state of my read on kush.
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
April 08 2014 06:45 GMT
#2736
the only way hopeless isn't mafia is if scum started out with 1 scum on D1

or austin or amiko were original scum

and all three of those ideas are ridiculous
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
April 08 2014 07:00 GMT
#2737
you still here?
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
April 08 2014 07:30 GMT
#2738
i hate late game. so quiet.
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
April 08 2014 07:32 GMT
#2739
On April 08 2014 04:37 austinmcc wrote:
We're fine though. I need to make up for last time I became impromptu town leader, lead a scum lynch, and then proceeded to LOLLYNCHTOWNIES for 3-4 cycles and not commit enough time to the game. I do NOT want that happening again, town's got this.


sup austin?
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
April 08 2014 16:12 GMT
#2743
austin didn't you say that you didn't like tehpoofter's d1 and found his post d1 to be better, and the opposite about me?

so I don't unerstand your perspective there at all.

but idc much about that as long as you aren't wanting to lynch either of us, cause you should be lynchgn hopeless
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
April 08 2014 16:13 GMT
#2744
austin wtf are these suspicious posts about ehpoofter i've made?
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
April 08 2014 16:13 GMT
#2745
btw you should add "austin doing nada" to your list
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
April 08 2014 16:18 GMT
#2749
On April 09 2014 01:16 austinmcc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2014 01:13 thrawn2112 wrote:
austin wtf are these suspicious posts about ehpoofter i've made?
Not the posts suspicious. When you're wanting to talk to me about his D1, it can be assumed that you find it scummy and maybe want to argue that he's scum.


no. i don't find it scummy at all. you were the one who had problems with his play during D1 and I wanted to have that discussion again in case one of us was wrong

...you know, cuz were nearing end game, and it's important to be sure about things?
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
April 08 2014 16:18 GMT
#2751
well then you misunderstood the intent of the post
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
April 08 2014 16:19 GMT
#2753
On April 09 2014 01:18 austinmcc wrote:
Btw, what WERE you specifically worried about? It's still worth going over.


nothing lol. YOU brought up something a long time ago. I think you pushed it during D1.

well, I care less about this conversation than i did when I originally asked you about tehpoofter because I reread his D1 betwwen then and now and it's reaffirmed my town read
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
April 08 2014 21:10 GMT
#2762
austin do you remember back in D1 when I asked you that question about hopeless taking advantage of his meta? here's what I mean

in titanic 3 i called him useless town hopeless. here is how he responded

On March 22 2014 00:25 Hopeless1der wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2014 00:15 thrawn2112 wrote:
koshi re hopeless:

my reasons for changing that read at that time was that I liked the way hopeless carried himself whenever he returened to the thread (after my q/a session with him) and he did ok under pressure

as for my current town read on hopeless..

a lot of what palmar just said about hopeless is why I'm townreading him. he's just... kinda harmless so far? not only harmless, but he DID sheep the right wagon. I think I explained earlier that I think there is a difference between town sheeping and scum sheeping, scum selectively sheep according to their mafia agenda, while town will often sheep quite willy nilly, which is closer to how hopeless has been sheeping. there doesn't seem to be any malicious agenda behind it. it's simply sheeping for the sake of sheeping, which is actually a pretty good and townie strategy depending on what type of player you are.

rayn and other people are talking about how helpful and enlightening hopeless can be as town and I disagree with that.



I'm not always useless...just usually


so I was pretty rude there, and how does hopeless respond? in a pretty natural and honest way. titanic 3 is not the only game where town hopeless had a reaction similar to what I quoted, I know that it's happened a few times before because I distinctly remember feeling bad every time I call hopeless useless or whatever, because of the emotional way he always responds to it. i will go look through our past games and provide quotes if needed.

how does he respond to me saying the same thing in this game?

On March 31 2014 06:24 Hopeless1der wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 31 2014 06:21 thrawn2112 wrote:
you are absolutely useless and sadly probably town for it

Show nested quote +
On March 29 2014 00:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:
17. Hopeless1der - usually looks scummy regardless of alignment i really don't know why

I have a meta to maintain


here he does not have a natural reaction to my rudeness. he plays off his meta and doesn't seem offended by something that should have offended him and has offended him in the past. he's actually pretty willing to indulge my rudeness, since he's being called town for it.
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
April 08 2014 21:23 GMT
#2764
what does lxiii have to do with anything? we didn't try to abuse it, i tried to abuse it, you weren't even reading the qt qhen it happened. and you didn't get upset in there, you got angry.
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
April 08 2014 21:28 GMT
#2769
me bussing you and you posting a sad face is not the same as town me calling town you bad and your response showing that you are obviously upset
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
April 08 2014 21:38 GMT
#2771
hopeless you weren't in the fuckign qt when that happened. you didn't even know what was going on. and i was scum, you were scum, so obviously whatever reaction you had doesn't mean shit because you knew I was just posting in such a way in order to win us the game. and your reaction in that game was completely different to how you respond when you're town. in that game you got angry and when you're town you get sad

so nothing from lviii has anything to do with what I'm talking about

and that's why you're voting for me?
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
April 09 2014 00:30 GMT
#2774
lol
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
April 09 2014 00:37 GMT
#2775
anyone else, let me know if you want me to respond to hopeless case and specify what parts you want answers to.
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
April 09 2014 00:51 GMT
#2777
that's because right now we are looking for original scum. during all the nuke discussion we weren't. the only times this game where I ever thought tehpoofter might be mafia, I thought that he was mafia who got converted. so kita's flip changes that.
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
April 09 2014 00:53 GMT
#2778
if you are talking about the red/blue quote stuff hopeless wrote, then lol, those aren't even contradictions. i dont have much to say about that part of his post
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
April 09 2014 00:57 GMT
#2781
So this part?

"Why is it reasonable that for Day2 its reasonable to consider poof for scum but Day3 poof's Day1 play trumps everything else?"

D2 it's reasonable to for me to ignore my D1 town read on tehpoofter because this game has conversion mechanics and tehpoofter's activity and usefulness dropped off almost right at the start ofD2. This cycle, everything is pointing to 1 original scum remaining, so now I can take my d1 read into account.
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
April 09 2014 00:59 GMT
#2782
btw austin i have found you incredibly scummy this cycle. be glad that my paranoia about the setup is somewhat limited
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
April 09 2014 01:50 GMT
#2784
austin you should stop scumreading me for disagreeing with you
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
April 09 2014 03:38 GMT
#2786
On April 09 2014 12:12 Amiko wrote:
Hopeless comments on Thrawn
I think hopeless raises three points-
re: poofter
In the first colored paragraph he quotes, you are saying that you didn’t really get a town read from poofter (there were just traces). In the second (uncolored) paragraph, you repeat a similar sentiment
The next two paragraphs are saying that you had a townread on poofter from D1.

In other words, I think hopeless’ case on this point is that you are inconsistent with regard to your reads on poofter – you said you saw him town from d1, but your posts reflect you were unsure.

@thrawn2112: I don’t really know how significant that point is to me, but if you have a response or want to clarify, go for it.

Delays in asking about Doublevote: I don’t feel this is worth talking about, sorry hopeless. I don’t know, I randomly think of things that happened days ago in the thread and ask about them.
Conspiracy Theory: I think hopeless is saying thrawn shouldn’t question the use of the scumchecker because town (including him) pushed for checking kita. I don’t find this point compelling only because we can’t tell thrawn’s motives. If he was criticizing the check as a mistake that’d be one thing, but instead it feels like maybe he’s just trying to get information. I don’t know, so I am not putting too much weight into it.


The first colored thing.

I was saying that the first time I played with tehpoofter (in a different game) I got a super strong new player town vibe from him. I said that I didn't get the exact same vibe this game, but a similar one. Then I explained how it was different and conlcuded that the difference probably means he's town. There's no contradiction there? Me saying that I didn't get the exact same vibe from him this game is not me saying I don't find him townie. I think that's the contradiction hopeless is going for and it's not a contradiction at all. The whole point of everything I said in that post was to explain why I thought tehpoofter was town. Hopeless is forcing a contradiction where there isn't one.

The reason I asked kush why he checked kita is because it made no sense for kush to check kita based on kush's game long kita town read. I talked about this in my case on kush during the last cycle.
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
April 10 2014 08:55 GMT
#2860
I was too close minded. i made so many posts about austin being lazy and/or scummy or whatnot, but i couldn't get over my assumption that the setup would allow so many conversions. i really wish I'd stopped to consider that conversions might happen after the day deadline

is that what happened? i'm still not sure about who was scum when

well I am glad that I realized how off austin was. but i got owned by the setup lol.
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
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