EPTOn March 14 2014 00:21 marvellosity wrote:
*looks at "alignment changing"*
*guesses at non-fillingness*
*looks at "alignment changing"*
*guesses at non-fillingness*
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at least for now. If you don't get enough players, at some point i might play. | ||
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On March 30 2014 06:16 kitaman27 wrote: Hello! ##Vote: raynpelikoneet Last time you begun your game exactly like this you were mafia. | ||
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On March 30 2014 06:21 kitaman27 wrote: So does that make it likely that I'm mafia this game or are you reminiscing about the past? No, let's hear what's the excuse this time. | ||
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On March 30 2014 06:52 kitaman27 wrote: rayn do you think this is a reasonable response from a town hopeless based on my vote a few posts into the game? The first post is kinda bad but the others i can easily see from town!Hopeless. | ||
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I hate voting threads btw. | ||
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Otherwise i get yakked.  scum don't yak me, i claim scum if you do. | ||
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On March 30 2014 07:11 Alakaslam wrote: No that is exactly what you would do You have to There's no other way out of a one-on-one situation like this, and the meadow that you were using was my mood. But you couldn't read my mood until it became a skewer like this, which is too convenient. on top of this right now I'm being very serious, which is my Skymeadow. So, if you were town you'd probably be like "I'm down for this, yeah slam is scum" The fact that you actually believed i called you mafia makes you town. | ||
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On March 30 2014 07:16 Alakaslam wrote: Alright I'll wait until i'm at sites to talk about voting. Talk text works okay when I'm driving, better than it used to, but I can't do BB code so . wait how does talk text work? | ||
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Here is a MSPaint picture to present more clear conclusion. I call it kitaman's unchanted web of disruption: ![[image loading]](http://i60.tinypic.com/316r9y8.png) Picture 1: Here is how townies do the "make other people think and see if you can catch lazy people because they are more likely to be mafia and draw retarded conclusions" thingy (at least how i do it). You present your argument. If you get questioned for it you answer the questions clearly -> in the end you form a conclusion/read regarding the argument and how people reacted to it, did they care about what you were really saying and why.. etc etc.. Picture 2: Here is how kitaman does it. He makes an unclear argument and when people question him about it he does not answer but instead makes another unclear argument about the question. Repeat until noone can remember what was the original point and what the fuck we are even arguing about. Then he might posts some conclusions, a day or so later. I've seen a couple of mafia players do this and it works really well because most of the players tire out and just stop arguing because it's so annoying and in the end you can't make anything out of it anyways because it takes about 5 hours to get an answer to a simple question. Now i gotta figure out if kita does this only as mafia or does he do this as town too (or maybe only as town?), because as far as i can remember in my games with him (besides Aperture 2, but i didn't really play properly in that game) either one of us or both of us have always been mafia. Standby for answers. Too lazy to do research now so maybe later today. | ||
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On March 30 2014 15:00 thrawn2112 wrote: how long did those pics take you About the time from my last post -> to that one. In case it's unclear. It's like normally people give you a puzzle to solve and slowly give you pieces to the puzzle along the way. Then they assume townies complete the puzzle and mafia tries to force the pieces in wrong order. kitaman gives you a puzzle, then he gives you pieces to 10 different puzzles and i don't even know if he wants you to try to solve the original puzzle. | ||
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On March 30 2014 15:08 thrawn2112 wrote: no i know. I hope that you follow through with the research becaause otherwise you just wasted 30 minutes did you have an opinion about kita in mind before you started that? On March 30 2014 15:09 Tehpoofter wrote: @rayn what post this game brought up this thought train on kita? The RVS thing? or just a meta ideA? To answer you both. I originally voted for him because he did vote me in the exact same manner in Lotr game as scum and i wanted him to give his reasoning here (i don't remember if he does random voting in nearly every game, probably does if he says so). But anyways i usually tend to think even if people vote for someone for reactions there is a reason why they pick their target whoever it is as i think completely random voting is just retarded as it doesn't really achieve anything. Or it can achieve something but you don't have the "this is what town would do <--> this is what scum would do" in comparsion to "idk let's see what happens" which is dumb. My read got stronger when he went after thrawn because i don't think thrawn has done anything scummy and i can see his logic behind the me/kita vote. It makes sense to me but kita is building the web for some reason. I think it's distracting and therefore scummy. I don't see what he is trying to achieve. | ||
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On March 30 2014 07:11 Amiko wrote: having gatorade or wine? I'm following thread but don't have much to say on the meta discussions, will get a little food and come back! On March 30 2014 08:28 Amiko wrote: @kitaman27 or @Hopeless1der: I don't really get the interactions between rayn & slam, if it's important can you explain it to me (or if it doesn't matter can you let me know)? These two posts. Only posts from him with real content. thrawn what's wrong in these posts? | ||
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So if you could explain this Amiko it would be nice. | ||
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Elaborate more please. | ||
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I would modkill you if this was my game. | ||
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##vote Toadesstern So basically you can't be town if you are not modkilled. sup 8am, just dropped foolishness off at the airport and I haven't slept yet so I'll do that after this post. Anyways important thing being that we both thought this should be lynched asap You are either lying which makes you mafia or you are breaking the rules if you are town. geez. | ||
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On March 30 2014 15:39 Toadesstern wrote: why should that be modkillable? Because if you are telling the truth you have an opinion from someone who is not in the game and you even POINT IT OUT IN THREAD. Hey, if you are telling the truth we know Foolishness has a scumread on Hopeless. Fair play right? | ||
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So if you are town we have a scumread on Hopeless from confirmed town good player Foolishness. Do you think this is fair? Also yes, this is now information that can't be just ignored. | ||
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On March 30 2014 15:54 kitaman27 wrote: But you have it backwards. I'm simply trying to gather the pieces for myself. The puzzle is mine to solve. I kinda understand this but the problem is the pieces are most likely wrong in any case because you are not on the same page with other people. Do you see any reason why town!Amiko asks you or Hopeless to clarify my thought process instead of asking me (i was btw in thread aswell)? | ||
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On March 30 2014 15:59 kitaman27 wrote: Not really, but if you're going to say that is alignment indicative then I think you're overreacting. It's a thing i don't understand. That's why i have a question for him about it in thread and that's also why my vote is not on him. | ||
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Someone staying at your place does not mean they should play the game for you lol. | ||
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On March 30 2014 16:05 kitaman27 wrote: Yes. Toad is town. I am kinda starting to think i should apply dick move analysis here and just vote for Hopeless. | ||
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On March 30 2014 16:09 thrawn2112 wrote: rayn what's your kita read? Probably town if Hopeless is mafia. I trust Foolishness the most atm. ##unvote ##vote Hopeless1der | ||
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On March 30 2014 16:14 thrawn2112 wrote: well i disagreee with almos everything you've said lately.... hmm Well why do you think he's scummy? | ||
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On March 30 2014 16:14 thrawn2112 wrote: rayn are you full of shit? lol Am i? I kinda think it's you job to figure out. But no, i am not. | ||
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On March 30 2014 16:15 thrawn2112 wrote: no i think kita looks pretty town right now and you saying that it's impossible to tell is absurd why does he look town? | ||
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On March 30 2014 16:18 thrawn2112 wrote: no rayn you don't get to turn this on me. I asked the question about his alignment first, and you completely avoided saying anything at all about his play. so answer the question I did answer it. He says stuff that's okay lately but he could say that same stuff as mafia aswell. So i can't tell if he is town or mafia. If he is right on his Hopeless case (which sounds fine) he is probably town because i don't think he would be bussing. I said this all already. | ||
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On March 30 2014 16:19 Toadesstern wrote: actually rayn needs lynching too imo ##vote Rayn You are fucking terrible. | ||
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Well at least i don't need to interact with you Toad because i already decided you are town. | ||
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On March 30 2014 16:23 kitaman27 wrote: Well I'm going to bed now. When I wake up, can you provide a follow up to the "web of disruption" post? Yes. I'll watch the Formula 1 race that starts in ~30min and i'll do my research after that. | ||
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On March 30 2014 16:37 thrawn2112 wrote: like why are you even bothering voting for different people? It tells about who he thinks is mafia. It's better to vote for top scumread than leave the vote on yourself. We'll see if he is telling the truth or not anyways. If someone thinks Toad is scum later on in the game then he can vote for himself (LYLO - close to LYLO). Now it doesn't really matter. | ||
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I think we can win the game by massclaiming. | ||
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Answer yes or no in your next post. My answer is yes. | ||
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On March 30 2014 16:55 thrawn2112 wrote: but i'm going to lie if we do It doesn't matter you just have to lie in a townie way and it's okay. | ||
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I apologize. You say stupid stuff. | ||
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I might post something at some point, probably to tell who is scum, but don't expect me to explain anything. I don't really feel like this game is gonna be fun so idontjustcare. | ||
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You also claimed VT so there is a little chance you are mafia. Right now you are suspicious of me (who i know is town) and thrawn (who i think is town) so even if you are a survivor you are most likely not helping the town. So unless i find someone who i am really sure is mafia you are the best lynch. ##unvote ##vote Alakaslam | ||
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On March 30 2014 19:36 kushm4sta wrote: Worst reason for voting someone I've ever seen. Unlike you at least i have my vote on someone who is not town. You can do this all the time you want and you will lose in a shitfest kush. But go ahead. Your reasoning is shit and i kinda hope you somehow get me lynched so i can call you shit in every game after this one. | ||
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What did you expect? | ||
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Survivor is the most boring role in the game because the best play is impossible to achieve unless you wanna play dumb and pray and the second bets play (claiming) results in lynching you because you are a threat to the town. | ||
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1) they can also be mafia fakeclaiming 2) they NEVER work for the town, they are basically +1 mafia even if they look like they are "helping" Anyone who does not understand this is just plain out dumb or mafia. Period. Case closed. | ||
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But yeah, what you said makes sense. | ||
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I have no idea what LHF is, where is it referred? Is there a reason you are not voting for the dude who is not town? | ||
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On March 31 2014 01:06 kitaman27 wrote: rayn, have you finished your research yet? not gonna do it. 90% i will find nothing useful and i don't care about this game enough to test if the 10% gives me something. | ||
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On March 31 2014 01:15 kitaman27 wrote: So lets get this straight, you decided to spend your time drawing a couple fancy pictures, suggesting that I'm creating a "web of disruption", write a huge post without a conclusion, promise to come to follow up three times and fail to do so, and now use the "I don't care excuse"? Like what's the point of that post to begin with? The point was at that time i cared. After Toad's post i didn't. simple. | ||
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/432504-mafia Absolutely nothing mafia could do from the start of the game. At max 10% chance of winning based purely on roles. Read my after game posts if you want more insight. I suggest anyone who pushed a townie lynch on D1 gets auto-lynched on D2 in case a townie gets lynched. You must have a 100% case on someone to become a town hero. Otherwise you are mafia because you refused to lynch the guy who is 100% not town. | ||
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Toadesstern - town, not going to argue about this in this game any more austinmcc - not posted kitaman27 - started saying dumb stuff again Hopeless1der - probably scum thrawn2112 - seems town JarJarDrinks - not posted kushm4sta - town Vivax - horrible opening Djodref - not posted Amiko - seems town. could focus onto something else than setup speculation. you need to either trust me or not, it's my ass on the line anyways so there is no need to "check" anything gumshoe - trolled, i have no idea what he is doing Tehpoofter - seemed town, i liked his proactiveness Alakaslam - scum or anti-town, must lynch asap. here are my reads. people who need to talk are not here. | ||
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best argument; you refused to lynch a dude who is 100% not town and lynched town instead. | ||
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On March 31 2014 03:05 Tehpoofter wrote: I agree we should lynch the guy wanting to kill not mafia. Maybe you are mafia because you seem to know Slam is not. | ||
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On March 31 2014 03:10 kitaman27 wrote: So you guys are confident that slam is not mafia because he says he is not? Fucking best part is there are people who are dumb enough to not understand lynching Slam and scumhunting are two different things. It's not like every single piece of discussion immediately ends when we decide to lynch him. Fucking awful tunneled mindset. People who stop playing are scum. Just because someone claims anti-town does not mean i stop scumhunting. kush's argument is so retarded i am not sure if i want to even try any more jsut because i have to deal that sort of logic. What is even more awful is that someone agrees with him.. | ||
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On March 31 2014 03:13 Tehpoofter wrote: Slam I have no clue on I was concerned with your reasoning of wanting to kill him since you believe his claim. It has no relevance to my personal opinion on his alignment. Where the fuck do i say i believe his claim. Maybe you are mafia because you are lying. You have now 2 bad posts. | ||
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show me a post where i believe Slam's claim. If you can't do that i'll shoot you on N1. | ||
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- I believed Slam's claim (incorrect) - I am trying to lynch a dude who is 100% not town (rofl) - I am going to stop scumhunting (incorrect) - I posted my reads (lol) | ||
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On March 31 2014 03:26 kitaman27 wrote: I actually did go back and found any references to survivor games and kush held a similar stance as town...don't lynch, go after those who do, etc. Yeah i don't think he is scum, he is my top town read. That does not make his argument / play any better.. | ||
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On March 31 2014 03:28 kitaman27 wrote: For someone who doesn't care about the game, you sure do like to waste time defending yourself. i am attacking myself, not defending | ||
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They are anti-town, they turn against town when it's beneficial to them and if you lynch town on D1 you are in a horrible spot because you can't lynch the survivor any more. Also the survivor could be mafia. It's not so hard ffs. One of the easiest best lynches ever... I really don't believe i have to argue about this over and over again. | ||
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On March 31 2014 03:51 Tehpoofter wrote: @rayn I think lynching mafia on day 1 is far superior to lynching a third party survivor (this is assuming his claim is real) If we had 1-2 mafia today that can convert or something we could have 2-3 tomorrow imagine if we his like a mafia converting role or a 3rd party anti town converting role tonight instead of some survivor that can still be town sided. How is that not better? The point is unless you are certain you can lynch mafia every day you HAVE to lynch Slam one day. Just because the closer to LYLO it gets the more mafia he becomes even if he is survivor. Also the longer the game goes the LESS POSSIBILITIES we have to actually lynch him, just because at some point there will be a point where you can't just lynch the survivor claim unless you think they are mafia because if you do you lose! With this playerbase i am not sure i or the town in general, especially after night kills, can lynch mafia every day, that's my honest opinion Now if you have to lynch the survivor claim, the best play is to lynch the survivor claim on D1. Just because you have way better chances to lynch mafia on D2 than D1, based purely on the fact that you have 120 hours instead of 48 to find the first mafia. Basic logic. You have also night actions on N1 that might reveal something. You have also a GUARANTEED NON-TOWN D1 lynch. The survivor claim might even be mafia. This has nothing to do with scumhunting. You just default your votes on Slam and play normally. Instead of having a 48h day we have a 120h day. People who stop playing because "lynch is already decided" are likely mafia because just because a lynch is "decided" does not mean you should stop playing until you see the results. Sucks for Slam if he is survivor but he fucked up. The best play is to put votes on him, ignore him and focus on other stuff. we have a 120h D1. If someone claims scum or something we can always switch our votes.Easy, and definitely the best play. Now this is the last time i explain this. Hope people understand. | ||
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On March 31 2014 04:11 Tehpoofter wrote: @rayn if mafia knows there is no way they're being lynched today then what incentive do they have to pressure or defend? Like the threat of getting lynched is what mafia most has to worry about. Giving them a free ride for a day lets them sit back and not doing anything. We fundamentally disagree but the fact you're so passionate about it makes me lesson my scum read a bit on you. If I unvote you can we start trying to find who might be mafia nad then argue about what day to lynch them? This is one thing you can determine people's alignments from. Who is willing to do shit when they are not under pressure and who is not. It's like, do people scumhunt during the night? Of course they do. Because not being able to lynch someone is not a reason to stop. If mafia is going to use that as an excuse i can see through that. It's not all about pressure and defending, in fact there are much better ways to find mafia than pressure, people are more likely to slip when they are not under pressure. | ||
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On March 31 2014 04:25 Tehpoofter wrote: Find me a mafia (and you can't choose yourself I already called dibs on that read) One of Vivax / Hopeless i just don't know which one. I doubt both of them are scum. Also i have one another hunch but i need to wait a bit for that to form better. | ||
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On March 31 2014 04:43 Djodref wrote: This post from Toad makes me really think he is town. It looks genuine and he is not afraid to post something which could be turned against him, even if I would rather say that him being unable to vote is rather townish here. Usually the power of town lie in the votes (having the majority of them), but I don't think it's necessarily the case in this game. It's more like scum not hiving a vote is a disaster for mafia team. | ||
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I agree the second post is really bad. Like there is nothing it can possibly achieve as town. | ||
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The problem with Vivax' post is that he is not giving any conclusions. He asks Hopeless to explain something. What if Hopeless says "yeah it's a joke"? Well in that case Vivax just gave Hopeless an out (even if Hopeless at that time didn't mean it as a joke). That's why non-obvious joking in games is terrible. As mafia you get to have a BS read or if people don't believe you you can say "oh but it was just a joke". bad. | ||
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On March 31 2014 06:05 Amiko wrote: @raynpelikoneet Maybe I'm confused... whose case are you referring here? kitaman's case. | ||
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On March 31 2014 11:43 thrawn2112 wrote: rayn are you around? mind explaining what makes djo town? He just outright claims blue in his first real post... | ||
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tehpoofer actually is probably scum. He tells me to do scumhunting. Surprise surprise i think i have done the most scumhunting in this game hands down. He has talked about nothing than me, he bases his read on me on one game (rofl), noone agrees with him on his read, yet his meta read must be correct. ^^ I could write a bigger case but i don't wanna do that right now. Basically he keeps flip-flopping over same things over and over again, when i tell him why they are wrong he forgets them for a while and then they suddenly just reappear. He is saying maybe two things and nothing else in this game. I agree with whoever said (austin?) that Hopeless is town. While i think his play is completely useless and idiotic he is town. JJD also looks okayish. so kita and tehpoofer are most likely scum. maybe gumshoe. | ||
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On March 31 2014 16:37 thrawn2112 wrote: i think he is probably town. but i hate thinking that. Yes exactly my thoughts. Remember the SMB game? | ||
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On March 31 2014 16:39 thrawn2112 wrote: of course not i remember wc2 though. that one is hard to forget Oh did i make you remember the only game you should not remember. Noooo thrawn.. Anyways i wanted to lynch kush because for some reason i thought he was sure scum and i said if kush flips town you can lynch me. Hopeless instantly got on the wagon because it would be funny if i was wrong. Seems like the same sort of attitude this game. | ||
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On March 31 2014 16:52 thrawn2112 wrote: idk. i think tehpoofter is more involved in the thread than a lot of people. he's definitely more engaged than he was in that last game. i'm not getting the same 'newbie town' vibe that I instantly got from him last game but traces of it are still there. like i think he's town, but he might just be more confident now and that's interfering with my noob reading abilities. and you think he is scum because his read of you is based on poor meta reasoning? lol would you expect him to have a good understanding of meta? No my read is based on he keeps repeating same arguments over and over again while when he talks to me he sounds like he believes me. He doesn't question my conclusions, he doesn't point anything weird/contradicting out form my play. Then when i leave the thread he keeps going back to "but does it look like rayn is scumhunting". The meta read is not a problem, the problem is he "doesn't realize" he has a sample size of 1 game and other people do not read me scum because of meta. That should ring some alarm bells. | ||
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On March 31 2014 18:24 Tehpoofter wrote: I would love to hear your bigger case rayn. This is what I mean that is different from last game... your heart is either not as into this game or you're a different alignment than last time. The rayn from the game I played was more than happy to bring up a whole case on someone even if it was a massive wall of texts and then scream at the town for not realizing they're scum. This isn't what you're doing this game... its different and its the only meta I know for you. The Way I play mafia is assessing how people play different alignments and roles and compare them between games along with the information in the thread to attempt to make a read. Thus far you are different than last game where you were basically the whole town. IF I have a read you do X as town and then you do Y instead should I draw a different conclusion? Not necessarily. | ||
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Maybe you can talk about some smart things too... | ||
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I am so sure of it i can lynch him over Slam. If i am wrong you can lynch me next. | ||
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He has voted for thrawn -> apparently that dodn't go anywhere. He has considered Hopeless scum -> never gave any conclusions but apparently now Hopeless is not scum any more because he wants to lynch the dude who agreed with him on Hopeless. He has asked some useless questions -> no conclusion. He wanted Slam to claim and never commented on anything people said on Slam. He has done absolutely nothing in this game, has not tried to solve anything and i am the only lynch he can get. ##unvote ##vote kitaman27 i promise you he will flip mafia. | ||
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On March 31 2014 23:35 Hopeless1der wrote: He literally just analyzed your play and asserted that you are scummy by working through your motives related to "web of disruption" and lack of followup. In what universe is that "doing nothing" or "not trying to solve"? He could just as easily coast along on the slam lynch. That's incorrect. Yes he did analyse those things but i have explained them and as i just said he does not look into conclsuions and how do they make / not make sense. That's what a townie would do. | ||
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If rayn thought that I was looking decently townie otherwise, then maybe I'd consider number one. The biggest issue that I have right now is that as far as I can tell, I am rayn's number one scum suspect. He is pushing slam for being anti-town and shows that he may have reconsidered his read on tehpoofer, yet not a word about myself. Anyone who has any brain left in this game this part by kitaman's post should be considered a scumclaim. Read it please. "I wouldn't lynch this guy but he thinks i am mafia" | ||
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On March 31 2014 23:37 JarJarDrinks wrote: So um... WTF are you doing rayn? I said if there is not sure mafia we should lynch Slam. Now there is sure mafia. I give you guarantee. | ||
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On March 31 2014 23:48 kitaman27 wrote: Read it again. I'm rayn's one and only scum suspect currently yet he made no attempt to go after me. It isn't about you being suspicious of ME, it's about you ignoring your only read. You say that you have been doing the most scum hunting hands down, but point to a single spot in your filter where you attempt to figure out my alignment. Seven pages of filter talking about slam doesn't mean you have done anything. This is a total misrepresentation of my filter. The scumread on you was purely PoE because mostly everyone else looked more or less town. Then you claimed scum. you are not this stupid, if you paid any attantion what i have said on other people you would know exactly where my scumread on you was based on. | ||
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Yes he is, i guarantee you. If you don't think he is mafia then lynch me you can lynch kita on D2. Or then you can ignore everything on D2 and lose the game and i call you all bad post game because you refused to lynch the survivor claim and obv-scum when Slam joints with mafia and you lose the game because of it (this sentence is for all the players, not just for you). | ||
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##unvote vote raynpelikoneet then you can lynch scum. also you will facepalm when you see my role. | ||
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##unvote vote kitaman27 Strong townies: Toadesstern - town austinmcc - had a good post about Hopeless, i totally agree with the thought process and conclusion. Hopeless would be an easy target for scum to go after, austin has not been in thread so he would probably go after him. Hopeless1der - sadly he is town, and a strong read. will not help most likely thrawn2112 - has only good posts and is making a lot of sense. most likely to solve this game. seems to be one of the few people with any brain. kushm4sta - dumb but town. Djodref - claimed blue. Tehpoofter - brave. says stuff he wants to. while dumb conclusions they make sense for town!poofer to say more than mafia!poofer. Weaker town: JarJarDrinks - focuses on things he usually focuses on as town. will most likely be called scum at some point because people don't know what he does as town, or rather don't understand. thrawn focus on people who go after JJD and see why they do. If JJD is town (he more likely is) he is easy mislynch because people just don't get why he says stuff he does. you will get it, noone else will most likely. Amiko - would have liked to hear more from him. he does stuff that's weird and focuses on weird stuff but he is kinda brave and doesn't hesitate to give his opinions on things. looks townie. Vivax - thinks kita is scum. Weak scum: gumshoe - hasn't said anything Kill with fire: kitaman27 Alakaslam Now there is a possibility Slam is scum. Remember that. The problem is if you are going to lynch me you need to lynch mafia on D2 and D3 and you can't lynch Slam. You'll most likely lose if you do because of the yak shit. D1 doesn't matter but if you lynch town on D1 you can't risk lynching Slam on D2. You just can't and that's on you then. So lynch kita -> lynch gumshoe. Hope one of them flips yak and then lynch Slam. There is probably gonna be one more mafia after that in case Slam is not mafia (i don't think he is). If Slam is third faction with KP you are all fucked and it's good i am not in the game because i would be so mad. This is going to be my last post. Maybe i'll rub some salt into your wounds and come back and claim 5min before the deadline, just to tell how dumb you are. | ||
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On April 01 2014 00:26 JarJarDrinks wrote: rayn, if ur town then ur playing against ur wincon. I have found mafia on D1. If you refuse to believe that it's your problem. I have made almost 160 posts in this game so don't you fucking dare to tell me i am playing against my wincon just because i decide to not post for 5 hours when i literally just gave you mafia and reads on every single person in the game. | ||
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On March 30 2014 07:22 gumshoe wrote: I am the doctor, in two or less paragraphs tell me why you should be my next companion. says nothing On March 30 2014 07:32 gumshoe wrote: Tell me WHY you should be my companion please. Oh and pro tip, if you are in possession of boobs that doesn't exactly hurt your cause / :. says nothing On March 30 2014 08:34 gumshoe wrote: Oh, my, god. Contest is done. Just gonna be you me and space from now on ( : wanna go see a lava planet? nothing On March 30 2014 08:48 gumshoe wrote: Welp, almost anyone whose ever travelled with me has met some kind of horrible end, but I'm sure you'll be find :D nothing On March 30 2014 08:55 gumshoe wrote: This is our game dalek scum : P were the ones who are going to policy lynch you XD nothing | ||
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On April 01 2014 01:06 austinmcc wrote: rayn has offered 1:1 as scum before. I have only offered 1:1 once as mafia, in a setup where you can actually do that (because you get to shoot anyways if you get lynched). I would never ever offer to 1:1 as scum against anyone but marv because i consider myself at least on par with any other mafia player i have ever seen play this game. that argument by kita is retarded because it takes a completely different setup and a completely different player. | ||
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On April 01 2014 01:16 Amiko wrote: @rayn respond to my concerns please re: kitaman case My vote on Hopeless was because of the one post i found odd and because Toad was town and if all of Toad, Foolishness and kita think Hopeless is scum, in addition to me finding a scummy post from him he is probably scum. Then he started doing townie stuff and Slam claimed anti-town. | ||
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On April 01 2014 01:18 austinmcc wrote: I'm okay with kita right now. If he needs lynching, that's for later and I'm happy to push him and lynch him, because last time I played with scumKita I did that barely too late and got taken out at night. Anything other than D2 is too late. | ||
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Vivax and thrawn, hope you guys don't want to lose. | ||
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All the posts before back up that line of thought. Also it's me, it's completely reasonable he doesn't know what makes me mafia and what makes me town as he has played one game with me. | ||
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On April 01 2014 01:51 austinmcc wrote: If he doesn't know what makes you mafia, and he doesn't know what to do with you, then what should he be doing upon realizing that? He thinks he knows but he doesn't. bah it's hard to explain. He thinks the stuff i do is scummy because he does not understnad it. I don't give a fuck so i don't explain it. He thinks it's more scummy. So what i do is scummy. But he is even willing to consider the possibility i am town and that he just does not know why he should read me as town. But that does not make me town, he still thinks i am scummy because of the stuff i have done. If he was scum he would just "keep his story straight" and say i am scum because of the stuff i do as noone can even hold him responsible for that - just because there is no way he can't know better unless he spends like 20 hours reading all my relevant games (and not only my filters). | ||
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On April 01 2014 02:00 austinmcc wrote: I'm cool with that last paragraph and can see that as a reason for finding him town --> as scum he'd do this thing and he's not doing that thing, so he's more likely town. But I think it goes both ways. As town, I don't think this is the right action. Do you? Of course i don't think it's the right action. The right action would have been to trust me and thrawn when we said that stuff does not make me mafia. But him not doing so is not scummy -> it only tells about him being interested in making his own conclusions and finding his own shit. Which is townie. | ||
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On April 01 2014 02:02 austinmcc wrote: p.s. I think that if we can't get much agreement at all, we should lynch gumshoe (i think that's the right alternative I am sorry but i am not sure gumshoe is mafia enough to lynch him over Slam and i am sure kitaman is mafia so regardless of what everyone does my vote will not switch. You probably end up lynching me because Toad has no vote and Hopeless and kush will not change their votes regardless of what happens. Slam will stay on me because he can't win otherwise as i will lynch him some day and so will kita. So there you go, you have a buch of dumb people, a bunch of scum and a third faction who will not help you. You see why i don't care about getting lynched? | ||
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1) he does not look at my answers which i have already given 2) there is no way anything i say can change his stance on me. srsly look at the case. a bunch of stuff that has happened 40 hours ago. i gave my explanations. what do i do now as town in his opinion? give different answers? "you are a liar scum". give same answers? "not good enough i didn't believe them last time" It's like a really good way to make a case and i do that myself all the time as mafia. You make a case against a townie, a case where whatever answers the dude gives you can still call him mafia. | ||
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Seriously i am starting to think noone is capable of reading other than marv. | ||
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And no, i am not answering questions i have already answered because that's something that tells nothing about me, it only tells that you have not read the thread properly. Go to my filter and search the answers. If you don't like them that's another thing but that's not your problem atm. Anyways last time i help you out. Things in chronological order: - Hopeless says bad stuff. multiple people call him out (at this point i can't possibly have a read on kita because it's the first thing he says in the game). I have my own read and other reads that make sense so Hopeless could be mafia. Later on i decide Hopeless is town for the stuff he says after that. At the same time, when i go through everyone's posts i also decide kita is scum because of process of elimination. I am not sure of kita being scum so i keep my vote on Slam, i just think he is mafia because other people look more or less town and have done townie things. Then kita starts doing scummy things. There you go. All this is obvious if you read my posts in context. | ||
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On April 01 2014 03:02 Vivax wrote: Cause other people look more or less town you think Kasla is mafia fakeclaiming 3p? JESUS FUCKING CHRIST IN THE POST YOU JUST QUOTED AND YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT I LITERALLY SAY I DON'T THINK SLAM IS MAFIA!! what the fuck Vivax? | ||
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[red]kitaman gumshoe Vivax mafia in there. not that anyone will listen. town lost gg. | ||
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1) kitaman is mafia. 2) austin is mafia because he devoted all his day in talking nonsense, ending up his vote on a guy who he never tried to get lynched. He doesn't even think i am mafia yet he does nothing to get his lynch through. Also he defend a third faction. rofl. 3) this town is terrible and i am happy i am not in the game in ~40min. noone in this town has balls to stand behind their townreads. noone is this town has balls to fucking push their scumread. Noone in this town has fucking balls to do anything other than lurk or talk shit. 4) town deserves to lose. 5) Good job retards you killed your shrink. | ||
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Remember, kitaman promised to lynch himself when i flip town. | ||
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On April 01 2014 05:58 kitaman27 wrote: You have the votes to save yourself and you're going the martyr route? silence scum. | ||
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On March 30 2014 15:32 Toadesstern wrote: sup 8am, just dropped foolishness off at the airport and I haven't slept yet so I'll do that after this post. Anyways important thing being that we both thought this should be lynched asap [....] | ||
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