III Titanic Mini Mafia: MS Paint Edition

On March 15 2014 04:18 WaveofShadow wrote:
Why the fuck isn't every mafia player in this game when there will be pictures like the above throughout?

On March 19 2014 06:47 DarthPunk wrote:
Rayn was like Fuck yeah I am town. And then peace out. That is like the Anti-rayn. Perhaps it is the end of days. Perhaps Rayn is scum. Perhaps he is just busy. Find out next time in: 'Nothing much is happening Mafia'

On March 19 2014 14:59 Tehpoofter wrote:
@vivax so to you the first person to call someone else scum off something is typically more mafia sided so what do you think of rayn? now that we know coag's flip do you think that speaks more positively or negatively of rayn?

On March 20 2014 03:09 Koshi wrote:

Mafia always got crazy much shit to do. Way more shit then town.

Fact.

On March 20 2014 00:10 Giggletummy wrote:
Crap. Gotta love getting pulled away while writing up a case and then never delivering. Posting what I had, tacking on crappy conclusion, then catching up.


Step 1: Original posts on DP + Show Spoiler +
First bit is trolly. The last couple posts are either intending to draw a reaction from DP, start the game rolling, all that good jazz (townie), or are bad reasons to call someone mafia.

Asstons of people push RNG lynch and never do it. People talk policy and never do it. People say LAL and never do it. People call for policy lynches or not policy lynches of specific players all the time and never do either. Nobody, nobody is mafia for the specific reason that they think hydras are good as town and bad as scum but then votes to lynch them, in opposition to what is basically a one-liner in another game with a stupid policy comment.

So either he's trying to draw reactions or he's got really questionable logic.

Step 2: Flare pushes forward + Show Spoiler +
Flare still has DP mafia, and makes a good point about overdefensiveness after being called out. If he was fishing for reactions/trying to get game rolling, he hit something and ran with it. Keep that in mind.

However, the hopeless bit here is poop soup. In response to hopeless not jumping to vote DP and noting that Flare bussed a teammates in Cultured, Flare argues that hopeless is also mafia because, essentially, if Flare was town he's had good reads in the past and therefore must be right on DP, and if Flare is scum then he's got to be bussing DP. Either way, DP is scum, and so Hopeless should be agreeing with Flare, or at least voting DP - it's a good read or a bus.

The poop soupy part is that this statement is based on that idea that bussing one guy in one game = always bus never not bus. I have never seen anyone do that. Seriously look at this. Flare calls hopeless mafia based on reasoning that says "you said I bussed a guy one time, therefore you should be thinking I always and only bus teammates, and so my target has to be scum."

Again, either Flare is doubling down and really trying to draw out reactions from more people now or he's got really really really really really questionable logic.

Step 3: Followup

I'm not, ya big dingus. I asked Flare for his current thoughts about DP because, again, I don't know what Flare's agenda is early. That's why I wanted a current read. I expect either:

(1) I was fishing for a reaction. I got a scummy one. Therefore, DP is scum. He's done some stuff since, but I don't care, original reasons stand. (See this post, which is why I marked it - + Show Spoiler +

(2) I thought he was scummy at the start, then he's done x and y, so now I've altered my read a little bit. Shows Flare thinking about the thread, actually updating his read with whatever DP does, generally trying to figure out someone's alignment without knowing it.

(3) Tunnel city without going back and discussing fishing/whatever.



Think of Flare's suspicion of DP as a building that Flare is constructing. Flare built one good story of the building up high, noting that DP never followed up the hopeless questions.

But the bottom of the building was constructed poorly, it doesn't bear the weight of the top. His initial DP suspicion is for a strange policy/hydra reason that I don't think has anything to do with alignments. He added a suspicion of hopeless based off the idea that hopeless should be thinking that Flare busses everyone always. He built his early game out of bad suspicions.

When Flare returned to thread with nothing but more reasons why DP is mafia and only mafia, it showed me that he was just piling on and on, building off this very early suspicion that shouldn't have been legitimate. The fact that I think the bit about DP never following on hopeless questions is immaterial to a read on Flare. Whether Flare is town or mafia, he needs to be finding things that DP has done that are scummy to push his read. It's not like mafia Flare would only be presenting crappy reasons, he has to find something decent to push.

On March 20 2014 01:55 Hopeless1der wrote:

No good answer atm. I wouldnt lynch Holy but I dont like him much.

Giggles:

I want this followup

On March 20 2014 06:03 Hopeless1der wrote:

i really like this point. I also want an excuse to not sheep palmar or rayn for the lulz

On March 20 2014 11:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Y U no give reasoning on Giggle being mafia Vivax?

On March 20 2014 11:16 thrawn2112 wrote:
vivax

when i'm asking hopeless questions and he suddenly decides he must leave right then, there is nothing else I can do except wait for him to come back. it's not "losing interest" like you're suggesting. he came back while I was away from the thread, i read the thread which included some people interrogating him, and I decided he was town based off those interactions

I don't think there's anyone else that I'd feel confident as labeling a "top" town read. I think both dp and hf are town but I can't get over this nagging doubt that one of them is full of crap.

On March 20 2014 10:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Also why is everyone and their grandmother calling thrawn mafia?
Unless both of me and DarthPunk are mafia it's almost guaranteed the thrawn "wagon" is mafia influenced. So thrawn, me and DarthPunk know the truth which is out there. thrawn is town.

On March 20 2014 11:42 thrawn2112 wrote:
vivax I have no idea what you want from me. pleas restate your questions or whatever

On March 19 2014 12:10 Tehpoofter wrote:
Koshi gets town for being the first on that "shut up about rayn and coag" train. Trying to get other reads going.


Thrawn comes in with the vote on coag and doesnt say anything else but one little post which I believe coag pointed out which moved him from scummy to more fence.


Coag vs Rayn the fight of the century: I think Rayn looks more town for bitching out and afk voting seems like a poor mafia play. Coag tried to defend himself really early super hard but seemed town the further it got into the day he actually stopped tunneling but his initial reaction just read scummy to me.


Palmer I'm null on what he said he kinda ducked out of the whole early game thing and didnt add enough for me to gain alignment from.


I liked Holyflare's case on DP it at least seemed like he took the time to read between the lines a bit. DP seems to discredit this as being a shit read but if it was shitty I'm buying the shit at least for now so sign me up!!!

On March 19 2014 13:34 Tehpoofter wrote:



Yeah I don't have a real read on VE. I said that in the post it was a bullshit read cause I don't have any scum. ITs a ping. VE is why I'm even in this game. I wanted to see him in the game doing things cause he is the one who wanted me to play its not like I voted for him. Cool your jets DP I'm town.

On March 20 2014 07:17 Tehpoofter wrote:


What questions did I miss? I'm assuming its the one about my thoughts on GT/Hopeless and why they weren't in my original reads.

At the time I didn't read GT cause he was in that limbo of "content to come brb" so I was waiting on that. The Hopeless information had a lot to do with other games and meta like the 'scooby doo' game. I don't know what that is and am far too lazy to read another game on a day 1 early read so I abstained from it.

That was at the time. More on this subject to come.

My read on VE has changed since he talked I like him as town he seemed objective on me and I think brought up a good case on GT. To explain again for rayn cause he is reading way more town through the re-read than yesterday, I wanted to hear him talk cause i have reads on him from other types of mafia and if I read him I can base my reads around that getting the alignment of one can give me more and thats how I play mafia.

On March 20 2014 10:32 Tehpoofter wrote:
@DP Suffice it to say I was reading HF town because he wasnt talking about Rayn Coag in the first 3 hours that is also why I have a town read on Koshi (early town read) That was basically all I was saying I phrased it poorly so I understand your confusion.

Coag vs Rayn the fight of the century: I think Rayn looks more town for bitching out and afk voting seems like a poor mafia play. Coag tried to defend himself really early super hard but seemed town the further it got into the day he actually stopped tunneling but his initial reaction just read scummy to me.

On March 20 2014 12:41 thrawn2112 wrote:
are you talking about hopeless jumping on giggles? i don't remember what you are talking about

" ie sheeping a guy on another guy whose posts you didn't read previously despite having declared an interest into doing so."

are you talking about hopeless sheeping VE's reason to lynch giggle?

On March 20 2014 12:37 Holyflare wrote:
You guys are getting rolled by dp and it's hilarious, will explain when i wake up.

On March 20 2014 12:58 thrawn2112 wrote:
No vivax, that doesn't strike me as something outside the realm of all possible town play.

On March 20 2014 13:14 Holyflare wrote:
uh vivax you can think someone is town because they did something that you didn't do, what's the problem with that?

On March 20 2014 13:18 thrawn2112 wrote:


OK so X is talking about Coag vs Rayn right?

OK so here is my interpretation of that. tehpoofter is not claiming that townies won't talk about coag vs rayn. His statement "Suffice it to say I was reading HF town because he wasnt talking about Rayn Coag in the first 3 hours" is related to his statement about "reading between lines," the last of which he later admitted to being a terrible miscomminication. HF "reading between the lines" means that holyflare was interested in things other than the "lines," or "the main issue in the thread." So he townread holyflare not because townies don't talk about rayn vs coag, but because HF showing interest in more than just the thread's main issue is townie.

On March 19 2014 08:30 Holyflare wrote:


This question is also relevant to 3/4 of the thread you know. I read that coag post completely differently though. What is interesting to see is how it was pointed out that dp being overdefensive was scummy (by coag) but then they completely went over the overdefensive line in response to you.

On March 20 2014 13:32 thrawn2112 wrote:


I don't think you even tried to understand my post. What tehpoofter meant:

"not talkng about rayn vs coag" = "reading betwen the lines" = "being interested in things other than the main topic" = "townie"

On March 20 2014 13:52 Holyflare wrote:


isn't he referencing the part where I point out palmar and dp?

On March 20 2014 13:57 thrawn2112 wrote:


Look vivax. Here is holy flare doing something other than talk about coag during the rayn/coag stuff. This is what tehpoofter meant by "reading between the lines."

On March 20 2014 14:03 Holyflare wrote:
I always use random hours to say what i'm saying "in like the first 5 hours of the game" could mean in the first 7 hours, it's not a massive point, I was asking you about a specific point you raised as to why it makes him scum because it didn't

On March 20 2014 14:45 Tehpoofter wrote:
@Vivax so is my thing with HF and DP so scummy in my wording one phrase wrong thats worse than what GT/hopeless have done? I mean you voted for me so I assume so. Do you think that I'm scum and they aren't? IF so can I hear your town case on GT/hopeless cause those are the two I'm looking at today for my vote.

However, the hopeless bit here is poop soup. In response to hopeless not jumping to vote DP and noting that Flare bussed a teammates in Cultured, Flare argues that hopeless is also mafia because, essentially, if Flare was town he's had good reads in the past and therefore must be right on DP, and if Flare is scum then he's got to be bussing DP. Either way, DP is scum, and so Hopeless should be agreeing with Flare, or at least voting DP - it's a good read or a bus.

The poop soupy part is that this statement is based on that idea that bussing one guy in one game = always bus never not bus. I have never seen anyone do that. Seriously look at this. Flare calls hopeless mafia based on reasoning that says "you said I bussed a guy one time, therefore you should be thinking I always and only bus teammates, and so my target has to be scum."

So I think that after reading both cases I think GT is more scummy because HF to me seemed more town when the case was made than rayn did when DJo made his week one.

On March 20 2014 15:18 Holyflare wrote:
Do people not read it as "i liked that hf made a case" not that he likes the case and thinks dp is scum?

DP seems to discredit this as being a shit read but if it was shitty I'm buying the shit at least for now so sign me up!!!

On March 20 2014 15:37 Tehpoofter wrote:


Its townie to talk about more than just that especially early in day 1. Its townie to know that just 1 person being mafia isnt enough and forming other circles is good. Even though you may have a good read on one mafia doesn't mean you should tunnel it and in the diagram I wasn't liking Coag but he wasn't even my biggest scum read... I didn't have heavy scum reads the biggest one was on VE because he just hadnt talked and I wanted to read him.

On March 20 2014 23:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Vivax said his scumreads were Hopeless/GT/thrawn and promised cases later.
He made cases on Hopeless and thrawn.
I asked him why no case on GT?
He said GT had said good things after he left. I called that bullshit because GT had not posted after Vivax left.
Vivax said when he made the post he had not been caught up and he was on page 40 when he wrote the original post where he called GT/Hopeless/thrawn mafia.

The evidence he points out for thrawn/Hopeless being mafia starts after page 40. Therefore he can't possibly have thought they are scum for it because he has not read those pages.

On March 25 2014 20:47 thrawn2112 wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +

did anyone know what this was? it was supposed to be a town claim

On March 25 2014 21:07 marvellosity wrote:

stop bitching about activity

you were just scummy

Koshi caught you off your first post, then I had you as practically confirmed mafia from your 3rd post or so. Nothing to do with how many posts you made.