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On March 15 2014 04:18 WaveofShadow wrote: Why the fuck isn't every mafia player in this game when there will be pictures like the above throughout? Marv probably isn't cause Coag is in the game and he doesn't want to be butthurt again. The others got hydra anxiety or general mafia anxiety, no time to play etc. Only the strongest survive. | ||
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![]() This by HF: + Show Spoiler + On March 19 2014 06:40 Holyflare wrote: I have a theory. DP thinks this game is scum favoured. DP likes keeping his town ratio up. DP requests scum so as not to lose town win ratio. DP is scum. ![]() On March 19 2014 06:55 Holyflare wrote: and here is the proof: Show nested quote + On March 14 2014 09:37 DarthPunk wrote: /out because of hydra's. They are OP as town and Crap as scum and honestly I don't see the point unless it is like a themed hydra game. Show nested quote + On March 19 2014 06:30 DarthPunk wrote: I hope you realise that coag is an OMGUS hydra so don't try and meta him PPL. Insta votes the coag hydra even though he has categorically stated that they are op as town and crap at scum, follows through with a shit policy when even in previous games he states: Show nested quote + (witchcraft as town)On December 15 2012 08:48 DarthPunk wrote: sup kids. I hate policy talk. That is my policy. I am vanilla town. and doesn't try and find the alignment of the hydra! Has 1 page of filter already and it says nothing compared to most of the start to his games! gg 1 scum down At this point I wasn't even sure that HF was serious on DP. The whole game was still in a trolly stage, and given that HF's case here is based on weak arguments I was expecting this to be a joke as well, but apparently HF is dead serious and kept looking for arguments to use on DP. Then there's this post by DP: On March 19 2014 06:47 DarthPunk wrote: Rayn was like Fuck yeah I am town. And then peace out. That is like the Anti-rayn. Perhaps it is the end of days. Perhaps Rayn is scum. Perhaps he is just busy. Find out next time in: 'Nothing much is happening Mafia' It would look terrible at a later stage of the game, but given that it was exactly in the context of an early town it is not, hence I have issues with two players here who were basically the trigger for the game to go into serious mode. HF cause he went from a jokey vote on DP to serious mode based on a post placed in such context. Hopeless cause he didn't consider HF could be joking with his initial posts, and immediately proceeded to call him scum for it. HF's first post on DP was obviously a joke, how do you conclude that the second one has to be serious so quickly, no questions asked. I for myself didn't think DP was really a scumread until HF started calling hopeless scum as well. Hence I would like these two to somehow explain why they saw the respective posts as something that should be taken seriously. I think there's a difference at early stages in how scum views the thread and how town does, which would be that scum looks for anything to use against a townie, and town just posts and rolls with the game until something noteworthy happens, and then try to let people expand on it. Hopeless and HF both went insta-you-scum-bro. | ||
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On March 19 2014 14:59 Tehpoofter wrote: @vivax so to you the first person to call someone else scum off something is typically more mafia sided so what do you think of rayn? now that we know coag's flip do you think that speaks more positively or negatively of rayn? Still have to read about that push from Rayn, and it's not just the first person to call somebody scum, it's about how quickly that person does it. Typically you would expect the majority of people to be townies so going instascum on somebody without poking first is what I would see as scummy, in that regard Holyflare's reaction looks townier than hopeless since DP reacted before HF went scum on him . I gtg now. | ||
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March 19 2014 17:59 GMT
#1316
Anyone who calls me scum for inactivity gets dumb-or-scum-points. I have a life outside of mafia sometimes, will post schedule if host allows it. | ||
Vivax
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March 19 2014 18:22 GMT
#1332
On March 20 2014 03:09 Koshi wrote: Show nested quote + On March 20 2014 02:59 Vivax wrote: Off the bat I would say hopeless, thrawn and giggle are scum. Full reasoning in roughly 6-8 hours when I'm awake and energized. As a preliminary I suggest you look at the timing when thrawn started posting seriously (hint: After Coag flipped, he +1d on Coag and went back to doing nothing previous to that). Anyone who calls me scum for inactivity gets dumb-or-scum-points. I have a life outside of mafia sometimes, will post schedule if host allows it. Mafia always got crazy much shit to do. Way more shit then town. Fact. I don't even know if I'm allowed to post schedule yet but let me break down my day for you Koshi, since I think you are town and will probably listen to reason. I got up at roughly 5 AM, started reading the thread around that time, caught the train at 7:15, got to anatomy lesson at 8:00 where the dude talked about some guy breaking his tympanum while scratching the inside of his ear with a spaghetti during his cooking by causing a vagus nerve induced coughing reflex while doing so. They had to poull that piece of spaghetti out and it was al dente. Lessons went on until 15:15, last one was social psychology, topic interpersonal attraction, you need a hip to waist ratio of 0,9 to hit on girls, lesson of the day, brunettes in night clubs are considered the most attractive but blondes are hit on most often (lolz) and a bunch of other kinda questionable experiments. Waited for book shop to open so I could borrow a biochemistry book, drove home at 7:08. I'll show you the fucking train route planner on the internet if I have to. And now I'm frankly scared to wade through all of this thread in my condition cause I'd much rather do it while I'm not sleepdrunk lest you want me to post half-assed or fallacious stuff, and I cba to not sleep when I need to to play mafia. So do me a favour and cut me some slack until I can scumhunt properly. Kthxnight. | ||
Vivax
21959 Posts
March 20 2014 02:03 GMT
#1561
+ Show Spoiler + On March 19 2014 11:15 Hopeless1der wrote: Show nested quote + On March 19 2014 11:10 thrawn2112 wrote: hi hopeless. this is for you + Show Spoiler + ![]() can you answer dp's question? - waiting on rayn to come back, he inevitably will, most likely within the next 15 hours. If he isnt back before ~5 hours to deadline I say we lynch him, otherwise he's likely town - Coag is town - HF is scummy - DP is leaning town - Palmar is town (not green town) Anything else you feel I could actually comment on at this point that wouldnt be meaningless speculation? On March 19 2014 11:29 thrawn2112 wrote: can you explain some of those things? On March 19 2014 11:32 thrawn2112 wrote: most of all I want to hear explanations for the hf/palmar reads, dont worry about coag On March 19 2014 11:34 Hopeless1der wrote: coag for seal HF for being dense and altogether not useful rayn for being rayn palmar for general pigheadedness and his early game telling me to piss off DP for general demeanor though tbh I could cherry pick a reasonable conspiracy/association case from him On March 19 2014 11:36 Hopeless1der wrote: HF insists his reads are legit, unless he's recanted his DP read somewhere that I missed. His case on DP was such a farce I question how he ever earned the championship belt. On March 19 2014 11:41 thrawn2112 wrote: Show nested quote + On March 19 2014 11:34 Hopeless1der wrote: coag for seal HF for being dense and altogether not useful rayn for being rayn palmar for general pigheadedness and his early game telling me to piss off DP for general demeanor though tbh I could cherry pick a reasonable conspiracy/association case from him this doesn't help me. if you took this post completely out of context and didn't know anything about this game, you'd have no idea if those reads make those players town or mafia "rayn for being rayn" recently you said that rayn should be lynched if he doesn't come back, but if he does come back he's town. I want to knwo about your read on him right now, not related to some conditional crap in the future. my guess is that you think he;s town but I still want you to explain why The issue I have with your play is that it looked looked like you started stepping up activity post-Coag-confirming-himself-as-town which pretty much guaranteed to make you look like the poop you posted for +1ing that wagon, on the other hand i can't really blame you for delurking, but the timing stuck out to me. _____________________________________________________________________________________________________ On March 20 2014 00:10 Giggletummy wrote: Crap. Gotta love getting pulled away while writing up a case and then never delivering. Posting what I had, tacking on crappy conclusion, then catching up. Step 1: Original posts on DP + Show Spoiler + On March 19 2014 06:40 Holyflare wrote: I have a theory. DP thinks this game is scum favoured. DP likes keeping his town ratio up. DP requests scum so as not to lose town win ratio. DP is scum. ![]() On March 19 2014 06:48 Holyflare wrote: DP is legitimately scum. On March 19 2014 06:55 Holyflare wrote: and here is the proof: Show nested quote + On March 14 2014 09:37 DarthPunk wrote: /out because of hydra's. They are OP as town and Crap as scum and honestly I don't see the point unless it is like a themed hydra game. Show nested quote + On March 19 2014 06:30 DarthPunk wrote: I hope you realise that coag is an OMGUS hydra so don't try and meta him PPL. Insta votes the coag hydra even though he has categorically stated that they are op as town and crap at scum, follows through with a shit policy when even in previous games he states: Show nested quote + (witchcraft as town)On December 15 2012 08:48 DarthPunk wrote: sup kids. I hate policy talk. That is my policy. I am vanilla town. and doesn't try and find the alignment of the hydra! Has 1 page of filter already and it says nothing compared to most of the start to his games! gg 1 scum down First bit is trolly. The last couple posts are either intending to draw a reaction from DP, start the game rolling, all that good jazz (townie), or are bad reasons to call someone mafia. Asstons of people push RNG lynch and never do it. People talk policy and never do it. People say LAL and never do it. People call for policy lynches or not policy lynches of specific players all the time and never do either. Nobody, nobody is mafia for the specific reason that they think hydras are good as town and bad as scum but then votes to lynch them, in opposition to what is basically a one-liner in another game with a stupid policy comment. So either he's trying to draw reactions or he's got really questionable logic. Step 2: Flare pushes forward + Show Spoiler + On March 19 2014 07:01 Holyflare wrote: Show nested quote + On March 19 2014 06:58 Hopeless1der wrote: That's not very scoobydoo...I'd rather lynch holy based on that casework. 2nd scum found! Show nested quote + On March 19 2014 06:01 Hopeless1der wrote: okay guys, host made a boo boo. you cant lynch him. Show nested quote + Phoenix: Well, I knew Sentinel couldn't have been responsible because he was the host and it was just a mistake on his part putting that extra person there to frame somebody! So, logically, there is a real bad guy out there! We just have to find him by tomorrow. Follows the theory presented by Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney! but refuses to acknowledge that it happened and wants to frame town member Holyflare as the culprit! Inexcusable scum behaviour. Who is our day 3 lynch? On March 19 2014 07:08 Holyflare wrote: Show nested quote + On March 19 2014 07:05 Hopeless1der wrote: cultured: he went full choose your own adventure mode, bussed a teammate for all the towncred and soloed to victory off championship belt reputation http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/444078-cultured-mini-mafia How does that apply here at all? In that regard I am thus bussing DP because that's what I do in my scum games. Therefore the case is in fact not horrible and you should sheep it. If I am town, I am generally correct and thus in fact you should sheep it. Either way, painting me in a negative light based on 1 game (whereas dp has stated anti policy things in numerous games, check the DB and past game filters) but still does it here. Furthermore, his overdefensive nature was seen very heavily in vengeful where he went full blow retard overreaction. This game is a much toned down version of that but still defensive because he doesn't like being critiqued. It is easy to find scum DP and I have done it. Follow me. Oh scummy number 2. On March 19 2014 07:18 Holyflare wrote: Read the last few posts of DP's. "Hmm Holyflare did this as scum.. Hmm, Holyflare did this as town! Hmm, it's best to just let him post and it's pretty straightfoward! Hmmmmm..... maybe Holyflare is scum" wtf is that? There's no strong entry questioning a lot of logic, there's no pointing out errors there's nothing.. just pointless wifom, interesting that you liked that weak as hell post though Palmar. On March 19 2014 07:26 Holyflare wrote: joy? Nothing really, he gets angry as both alignments sure. Yet, to push him slightly and get those overly defensive posts at the same time as spreading useless posts is actually hinting more at a scum alignment to DP. It's like trying to troll while spreading doubt and when he gets called out on things it's "oh but it was just a joke see?". I don't think it looked too jokey, or more - too trying to be jokey with a hint of truth than anything. Look at his opening in town games, it's always inquisitive, questioning, pushing! Here, it is not. On March 19 2014 08:35 Holyflare wrote: But koshi that is overdefensive. He should know people are wrong about him and realise they are making up shit and then people idly sheeping look scummy as hell but the over paranoia of everyone thinking you are scum is scummy though. Flare still has DP mafia, and makes a good point about overdefensiveness after being called out. If he was fishing for reactions/trying to get game rolling, he hit something and ran with it. Keep that in mind. However, the hopeless bit here is poop soup. In response to hopeless not jumping to vote DP and noting that Flare bussed a teammates in Cultured, Flare argues that hopeless is also mafia because, essentially, if Flare was town he's had good reads in the past and therefore must be right on DP, and if Flare is scum then he's got to be bussing DP. Either way, DP is scum, and so Hopeless should be agreeing with Flare, or at least voting DP - it's a good read or a bus. The poop soupy part is that this statement is based on that idea that bussing one guy in one game = always bus never not bus. I have never seen anyone do that. Seriously look at this. Flare calls hopeless mafia based on reasoning that says "you said I bussed a guy one time, therefore you should be thinking I always and only bus teammates, and so my target has to be scum." Again, either Flare is doubling down and really trying to draw out reactions from more people now or he's got really really really really really questionable logic. Step 3: Followup I'm not, ya big dingus. I asked Flare for his current thoughts about DP because, again, I don't know what Flare's agenda is early. That's why I wanted a current read. I expect either: (1) I was fishing for a reaction. I got a scummy one. Therefore, DP is scum. He's done some stuff since, but I don't care, original reasons stand. (See this post, which is why I marked it - + Show Spoiler + On March 19 2014 08:44 Koshi wrote: Show nested quote + On March 19 2014 08:37 DarthPunk wrote: + Show Spoiler + On March 19 2014 08:32 Koshi wrote: The red reply thing? That was good. 3 people were saying rayn case was good. He had to reply. rayn kept up pressure. Coag kept replying. With more caps. I don't see overdefensive. Really. The all caps thing was not over defensive? But you agreed that I was over defensive. On March 19 2014 07:18 Koshi wrote: Show nested quote + On March 19 2014 07:13 DarthPunk wrote: On March 19 2014 07:12 Koshi wrote: On March 19 2014 07:11 DarthPunk wrote: On March 19 2014 07:10 Koshi wrote: If anybody is interested I am following Holyflare atm. What does that mean? I think you are scummy scum. Why? You need to provide reasoning or your position is meaningless. I liked what Kush said. On March 19 2014 07:19 Koshi wrote: pointing out overdefensive post. Could be Coag. But it looks like Kush. For this post: On March 19 2014 07:00 DarthPunk wrote: You realise that policy thing was like over a year ago HF? I said I was going to policy vote coag before the game started and I did. Further I don't think it is a shit policy. I literally would prefer the game to not have a 10 plus member Hydra in it. I would think you were scum but you, you know, did the same thing last game as town so yeah. I want to know how on earth you though I was scummy/over defensive for that post, but Coag ragingin all caps was NOT over defensive. That seems like a very arbitrary decision for one thing to be over defensive and another far more defensive thing to not be. I didn't like your early posting. I didn't like the non committal stuff. I didn't like the defensive attitude of other posts. I was reading the thread and I was actually looking at your posts strangely and then people put pressure on you and I simply +1 on everything. because I felt that needed to be done and they had a point. Out of everybody I really believe you had a really weak-ass start and I gave you a scummy point. The point is already put down and cannot be erased. -Koshi his judgement- (2) I thought he was scummy at the start, then he's done x and y, so now I've altered my read a little bit. Shows Flare thinking about the thread, actually updating his read with whatever DP does, generally trying to figure out someone's alignment without knowing it. (3) Tunnel city without going back and discussing fishing/whatever. Think of Flare's suspicion of DP as a building that Flare is constructing. Flare built one good story of the building up high, noting that DP never followed up the hopeless questions. But the bottom of the building was constructed poorly, it doesn't bear the weight of the top. His initial DP suspicion is for a strange policy/hydra reason that I don't think has anything to do with alignments. He added a suspicion of hopeless based off the idea that hopeless should be thinking that Flare busses everyone always. He built his early game out of bad suspicions. When Flare returned to thread with nothing but more reasons why DP is mafia and only mafia, it showed me that he was just piling on and on, building off this very early suspicion that shouldn't have been legitimate. The fact that I think the bit about DP never following on hopeless questions is immaterial to a read on Flare. Whether Flare is town or mafia, he needs to be finding things that DP has done that are scummy to push his read. It's not like mafia Flare would only be presenting crappy reasons, he has to find something decent to push. On March 20 2014 01:55 Hopeless1der wrote: No good answer atm. I wouldnt lynch Holy but I dont like him much. Giggles: Show nested quote + On March 19 2014 08:58 Giggletummy wrote: On March 19 2014 08:56 Koshi wrote: It is me noting something for reasons. Will discuss later, want to talk to FlareOn March 19 2014 08:47 Giggletummy wrote: On March 19 2014 08:44 Koshi wrote: replying for reasonsOn March 19 2014 08:37 DarthPunk wrote: + Show Spoiler + On March 19 2014 08:32 Koshi wrote: The red reply thing? That was good. 3 people were saying rayn case was good. He had to reply. rayn kept up pressure. Coag kept replying. With more caps. I don't see overdefensive. Really. The all caps thing was not over defensive? But you agreed that I was over defensive. On March 19 2014 07:18 Koshi wrote: Show nested quote + On March 19 2014 07:13 DarthPunk wrote: On March 19 2014 07:12 Koshi wrote: On March 19 2014 07:11 DarthPunk wrote: On March 19 2014 07:10 Koshi wrote: If anybody is interested I am following Holyflare atm. What does that mean? I think you are scummy scum. Why? You need to provide reasoning or your position is meaningless. I liked what Kush said. On March 19 2014 07:19 Koshi wrote: pointing out overdefensive post. Could be Coag. But it looks like Kush. For this post: On March 19 2014 07:00 DarthPunk wrote: You realise that policy thing was like over a year ago HF? I said I was going to policy vote coag before the game started and I did. Further I don't think it is a shit policy. I literally would prefer the game to not have a 10 plus member Hydra in it. I would think you were scum but you, you know, did the same thing last game as town so yeah. I want to know how on earth you though I was scummy/over defensive for that post, but Coag ragingin all caps was NOT over defensive. That seems like a very arbitrary decision for one thing to be over defensive and another far more defensive thing to not be. I didn't like your early posting. I didn't like the non committal stuff. I didn't like the defensive attitude of other posts. I was reading the thread and I was actually looking at your posts strangely and then people put pressure on you and I simply +1 on everything. because I felt that needed to be done and they had a point. Out of everybody I really believe you had a really weak-ass start and I gave you a scummy point. The point is already put down and cannot be erased. -Koshi his judgement- Also what is this? I want this followup On March 20 2014 06:03 Hopeless1der wrote: Show nested quote + On March 20 2014 05:53 VisceraEyes wrote: I mean to put it another way, the Scooby Doo nonsense has led him to his best (and only?) scumread of the game - so how can he possibly believe that it's not productive? i really like this point. I also want an excuse to not sheep palmar or rayn for the lulz ![]() Hopeless, the followup is right there, in your face. You still want it for some reason, then don't comment on it and sheep a point VE made in a seemingly semi-trolly mood. This is in strong contrast to the start you delivered where you went instascum on HF, dead-serious. So please read that post by giggle and give me a conclusion, with YOUR reasoning. | ||
Vivax
21959 Posts
March 20 2014 02:33 GMT
#1591
On March 20 2014 11:12 raynpelikoneet wrote: Y U no give reasoning on Giggle being mafia Vivax? He started posting decently and was possibly genuinely busy, like me. I'd rather see with what he follows up next and have some conversation. On March 20 2014 11:16 thrawn2112 wrote: vivax when i'm asking hopeless questions and he suddenly decides he must leave right then, there is nothing else I can do except wait for him to come back. it's not "losing interest" like you're suggesting. he came back while I was away from the thread, i read the thread which included some people interrogating him, and I decided he was town based off those interactions And you think that him not considering what his suspect posted is a town tell? Seems legit. Are you able to explain your scumread on me based on post content and not filter size? Didn't see any explanation actually, at least I can't find it. Overall your scumspects only include low-volume posters, except for a HF scumread(?) at one point. You don't even call it scumread, you call it possible mafia by process of elimination. And that after previously stating that you think both DP and HF are town but you have trouble getting a read on them for various reasons. I don't think there's anyone else that I'd feel confident as labeling a "top" town read. I think both dp and hf are town but I can't get over this nagging doubt that one of them is full of crap. Suddenly he appears among your scumreads in a later list post, why not DP? | ||
Vivax
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March 20 2014 02:37 GMT
#1593
On March 20 2014 10:04 raynpelikoneet wrote: Also why is everyone and their grandmother calling thrawn mafia? Unless both of me and DarthPunk are mafia it's almost guaranteed the thrawn "wagon" is mafia influenced. So thrawn, me and DarthPunk know the truth which is out there. thrawn is town. Are you even reading his posts? No, clearly. Then read mine instead of making shoddy game meta arguments based on connections. | ||
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March 20 2014 02:38 GMT
#1594
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March 20 2014 02:49 GMT
#1599
On March 20 2014 11:42 thrawn2112 wrote: vivax I have no idea what you want from me. pleas restate your questions or whatever You call HF and DP maybe town. Then post reasons why they could be or could not be. HF next appears among the scum you got by elimination. You eliminated DP, you didn't eliminate HF after saying nothing-saying things about both of them previously, (ie looks town, but maybe isn't cause of bsbsbs). Explain how that makes sense? | ||
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March 20 2014 03:30 GMT
#1603
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March 20 2014 03:53 GMT
#1606
On March 19 2014 12:10 Tehpoofter wrote: Koshi gets town for being the first on that "shut up about rayn and coag" train. Trying to get other reads going. Thrawn comes in with the vote on coag and doesnt say anything else but one little post which I believe coag pointed out which moved him from scummy to more fence. Coag vs Rayn the fight of the century: I think Rayn looks more town for bitching out and afk voting seems like a poor mafia play. Coag tried to defend himself really early super hard but seemed town the further it got into the day he actually stopped tunneling but his initial reaction just read scummy to me. Palmer I'm null on what he said he kinda ducked out of the whole early game thing and didnt add enough for me to gain alignment from. I liked Holyflare's case on DP it at least seemed like he took the time to read between the lines a bit. DP seems to discredit this as being a shit read but if it was shitty I'm buying the shit at least for now so sign me up!!! On March 19 2014 13:34 Tehpoofter wrote: Show nested quote + On March 19 2014 12:03 Tehpoofter wrote: Reasons to come for some of them except VE, he is my most scummy because he tells me hes good then doesn't talk at all bump that lurking bullshit. Yeah I don't have a real read on VE. I said that in the post it was a bullshit read cause I don't have any scum. ITs a ping. VE is why I'm even in this game. I wanted to see him in the game doing things cause he is the one who wanted me to play its not like I voted for him. Cool your jets DP I'm town. On March 20 2014 07:17 Tehpoofter wrote: Show nested quote + On March 20 2014 02:54 raynpelikoneet wrote: tehpoofter - is not reading properly, refuses to answer simple questions What questions did I miss? I'm assuming its the one about my thoughts on GT/Hopeless and why they weren't in my original reads. At the time I didn't read GT cause he was in that limbo of "content to come brb" so I was waiting on that. The Hopeless information had a lot to do with other games and meta like the 'scooby doo' game. I don't know what that is and am far too lazy to read another game on a day 1 early read so I abstained from it. That was at the time. More on this subject to come. My read on VE has changed since he talked I like him as town he seemed objective on me and I think brought up a good case on GT. To explain again for rayn cause he is reading way more town through the re-read than yesterday, I wanted to hear him talk cause i have reads on him from other types of mafia and if I read him I can base my reads around that getting the alignment of one can give me more and thats how I play mafia. On March 20 2014 10:32 Tehpoofter wrote: @DP Suffice it to say I was reading HF town because he wasnt talking about Rayn Coag in the first 3 hours that is also why I have a town read on Koshi (early town read) That was basically all I was saying I phrased it poorly so I understand your confusion. From first quote: Coag vs Rayn the fight of the century: I think Rayn looks more town for bitching out and afk voting seems like a poor mafia play. Coag tried to defend himself really early super hard but seemed town the further it got into the day he actually stopped tunneling but his initial reaction just read scummy to me. This dude is probably scum. Unless he posts some bombastic reasons for trying to get pressure off him that way from his SCUMREAD then there's hardly a way he could convince me of the opposite. He agrees with HF's case in the post, tries to calm down his alleged scumread a bit later. Says townies wouldn't talk about Rayn + Coag, but does it himself? How do you use reasoning that doesn't apply to you when you know you're town? Answer: It's when you need to find some bs reason to justify a read. ![]() | ||
Vivax
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March 20 2014 03:55 GMT
#1607
On March 20 2014 12:41 thrawn2112 wrote: are you talking about hopeless jumping on giggles? i don't remember what you are talking about " ie sheeping a guy on another guy whose posts you didn't read previously despite having declared an interest into doing so." are you talking about hopeless sheeping VE's reason to lynch giggle? Last part of THIS post, thrawn. GT delivered the followup when hopeless posted that he was still waiting for it, then hopeless sheeped a point made by VE without taking the followup into consideration on his own. | ||
Vivax
21959 Posts
March 20 2014 03:55 GMT
#1608
On March 20 2014 12:37 Holyflare wrote: You guys are getting rolled by dp and it's hilarious, will explain when i wake up. Didn't know you played mafia while sleepwalking. | ||
Vivax
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March 20 2014 04:01 GMT
#1610
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March 20 2014 04:03 GMT
#1611
On March 20 2014 12:58 thrawn2112 wrote: No vivax, that doesn't strike me as something outside the realm of all possible town play. But it should strike you as something in the realm of very probable scum play, unless you can convince me that there's something in his filter that is a reliable town tell compared to those posts from him. | ||
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March 20 2014 04:08 GMT
#1613
The alleged scumread is DP cause he agreed on HF's case to its full extent. | ||
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March 20 2014 04:17 GMT
#1616
Unless you have some superduper evidence that TehPoofter and hopeless are not scum and are willing to present it, then you can gently fuck off instead of saying "BUT IT COULD BE TOWN" 100 times. What you're doing is in no way productive, it only tries to discredit and keep doubt up. | ||
Vivax
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March 20 2014 04:18 GMT
#1618
On March 20 2014 13:14 Holyflare wrote: uh vivax you can think someone is town because they did something that you didn't do, what's the problem with that? And the other point, and the other one? | ||
Vivax
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March 20 2014 04:26 GMT
#1621
On March 20 2014 13:18 thrawn2112 wrote: Show nested quote + On March 20 2014 13:08 Vivax wrote: I do x, I know I'm town. I say some dude is town cause he didn't do x. Does it finally ring? The alleged scumread is DP cause he agreed on HF's case to its full extent. OK so X is talking about Coag vs Rayn right? OK so here is my interpretation of that. tehpoofter is not claiming that townies won't talk about coag vs rayn. His statement "Suffice it to say I was reading HF town because he wasnt talking about Rayn Coag in the first 3 hours" is related to his statement about "reading between lines," the last of which he later admitted to being a terrible miscomminication. HF "reading between the lines" means that holyflare was interested in things other than the "lines," or "the main issue in the thread." So he townread holyflare not because townies don't talk about rayn vs coag, but because HF showing interest in more than just the thread's main issue is townie. Here is my interpretation of that townread on HF, which is also a big message to you to go read the fucking thread. On March 19 2014 08:30 Holyflare wrote: Show nested quote + On March 19 2014 08:26 raynpelikoneet wrote: On March 19 2014 08:04 raynpelikoneet wrote: On March 19 2014 08:01 Coagulation wrote: rayn ur bad and should feel bad Do you think your post was good and moved the thread forward. What was your plan on finding mafia with that post? This is the main question and if you do not answer me reasonably i am not going to move my vote. This question is also relevant to 3/4 of the thread you know. I read that coag post completely differently though. What is interesting to see is how it was pointed out that dp being overdefensive was scummy (by coag) but then they completely went over the overdefensive line in response to you. | ||
Vivax
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March 20 2014 04:28 GMT
#1622
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Vivax
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March 20 2014 04:48 GMT
#1626
On March 20 2014 13:32 thrawn2112 wrote: Show nested quote + On March 20 2014 13:28 Vivax wrote: HF you should have known you actually SPOKE about that shit, how do you accept Poofter townreading you for something that has not happened? He specifically said it's cause you didn't talk about it in the first three hours of the game, well herp-a-derp you talked about it 30 minutes afterwards. I don't think you even tried to understand my post. What tehpoofter meant: "not talkng about rayn vs coag" = "reading betwen the lines" = "being interested in things other than the main topic" = "townie" Riddle me this, how does HF making a case on DP constitute "reading between the lines" when it happened BEFORE the rayn Coag shit happened? | ||
Vivax
21959 Posts
March 20 2014 04:59 GMT
#1629
On March 20 2014 13:52 Holyflare wrote: Show nested quote + On March 20 2014 13:48 Vivax wrote: On March 20 2014 13:32 thrawn2112 wrote: On March 20 2014 13:28 Vivax wrote: HF you should have known you actually SPOKE about that shit, how do you accept Poofter townreading you for something that has not happened? He specifically said it's cause you didn't talk about it in the first three hours of the game, well herp-a-derp you talked about it 30 minutes afterwards. I don't think you even tried to understand my post. What tehpoofter meant: "not talkng about rayn vs coag" = "reading betwen the lines" = "being interested in things other than the main topic" = "townie" Riddle me this, how does HF making a case on DP constitute "reading between the lines" when it happened BEFORE the rayn Coag shit happened? isn't he referencing the part where I point out palmar and dp? Maybe you should ask him, or compare the timestamps. Figure out if he's scum and shit, I thought that's what were here for, not defending people for bad reasons. You chose to dismiss my arguments without even knowing for sure who he was talking about? DP is here, you promised to tell us why he's scum. Proceed please. | ||
Vivax
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March 20 2014 05:00 GMT
#1630
On March 20 2014 13:57 thrawn2112 wrote: Show nested quote + On March 20 2014 13:48 Vivax wrote: On March 20 2014 13:32 thrawn2112 wrote: On March 20 2014 13:28 Vivax wrote: HF you should have known you actually SPOKE about that shit, how do you accept Poofter townreading you for something that has not happened? He specifically said it's cause you didn't talk about it in the first three hours of the game, well herp-a-derp you talked about it 30 minutes afterwards. I don't think you even tried to understand my post. What tehpoofter meant: "not talkng about rayn vs coag" = "reading betwen the lines" = "being interested in things other than the main topic" = "townie" Riddle me this, how does HF making a case on DP constitute "reading between the lines" when it happened BEFORE the rayn Coag shit happened? Look vivax. Here is holy flare doing something other than talk about coag during the rayn/coag stuff. This is what tehpoofter meant by "reading between the lines." He specifically said "IN THE FIRST THREE HOURS OF THE GAME". That post is later. GOD. | ||
Vivax
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March 20 2014 05:15 GMT
#1640
On March 20 2014 14:03 Holyflare wrote: I always use random hours to say what i'm saying "in like the first 5 hours of the game" could mean in the first 7 hours, it's not a massive point, I was asking you about a specific point you raised as to why it makes him scum because it didn't You mean you nitpicked a part of my case that you felt was easy to discredit? Do I have to assume that you found the other points good since you didn't comment on them? Ie him saying he didn't read GT cause he promised reasoning, not wondering why he would post so little in a range of roughly 1 h? Ie him agreeing with your case, then telling his scumread(?) to back off from him, then asking you if you think that a specific bit would come from a scum DP? | ||
Vivax
21959 Posts
March 20 2014 05:20 GMT
#1642
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Vivax
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March 20 2014 05:26 GMT
#1646
Moral of the story: Don't take away pressure from my scumread unless you have a damn good reason to, which you don't seem to have. Scum-or-dumb-points to both of you. | ||
Vivax
21959 Posts
March 20 2014 05:36 GMT
#1648
Reading your filter I also noticed you tried to paint me as scummy for the way I replied to Koshi based on shitty meta. What was the point of all that since apparently you aren't pushing me as your scumread? | ||
Vivax
21959 Posts
March 20 2014 05:41 GMT
#1651
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Vivax
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March 20 2014 06:00 GMT
#1660
On March 20 2014 14:45 Tehpoofter wrote: @Vivax so is my thing with HF and DP so scummy in my wording one phrase wrong thats worse than what GT/hopeless have done? I mean you voted for me so I assume so. Do you think that I'm scum and they aren't? IF so can I hear your town case on GT/hopeless cause those are the two I'm looking at today for my vote. Answer my questions please, else I won't know what you meant for real in that post. Did you find HF's case good, hence thought DP was scum at the point? If yes, why did you tell DP to get off of you instead of being inquisitive/suspicious towards him? I would expect a townie to not ask his scumread to get off of him cause he would figure that he was being attacked out of malicious intent. Giggletummy posted paint pictures and asked small questions to HF without getting to the core of his beef within 1 hour. That was also my beef with him until I saw his huge case post today. Regarding that, I need to know whether you agree with the point GT brought up here: However, the hopeless bit here is poop soup. In response to hopeless not jumping to vote DP and noting that Flare bussed a teammates in Cultured, Flare argues that hopeless is also mafia because, essentially, if Flare was town he's had good reads in the past and therefore must be right on DP, and if Flare is scum then he's got to be bussing DP. Either way, DP is scum, and so Hopeless should be agreeing with Flare, or at least voting DP - it's a good read or a bus. The poop soupy part is that this statement is based on that idea that bussing one guy in one game = always bus never not bus. I have never seen anyone do that. Seriously look at this. Flare calls hopeless mafia based on reasoning that says "you said I bussed a guy one time, therefore you should be thinking I always and only bus teammates, and so my target has to be scum." Do you think that saying : "Hey let's lynch this guy cause I say it and I'm always right cause I'm right as town and bus as scum" is a good reason to push a wagon? Main reasoning about GT being scum in your filter is this: So I think that after reading both cases I think GT is more scummy because HF to me seemed more town when the case was made than rayn did when DJo made his week one. Which both cases? Which case? Are you basing your scumread on the fact that you disagree with the case? Can you say what exactly you found good about VE's case? | ||
Vivax
21959 Posts
March 20 2014 06:25 GMT
#1668
On March 20 2014 15:18 Holyflare wrote: Do people not read it as "i liked that hf made a case" not that he likes the case and thinks dp is scum? DP seems to discredit this as being a shit read but if it was shitty I'm buying the shit at least for now so sign me up!!! This part in that post makes me pretty sure he actually agreed with the content of your case, which is backed up by this: ![]() | ||
Vivax
21959 Posts
March 20 2014 06:33 GMT
#1669
I want to see how he explains that it's townie to not talk about an issue that gives you a scumread on somebody. | ||
Vivax
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March 20 2014 06:41 GMT
#1675
On March 20 2014 15:37 Tehpoofter wrote: Show nested quote + On March 20 2014 15:33 Vivax wrote: Also notice how he has Coag among his scumreads but he says that HF is town for ignoring the issue in the next post. I want to see how he explains that it's townie to not talk about an issue that gives you a scumread on somebody. Its townie to talk about more than just that especially early in day 1. Its townie to know that just 1 person being mafia isnt enough and forming other circles is good. Even though you may have a good read on one mafia doesn't mean you should tunnel it and in the diagram I wasn't liking Coag but he wasn't even my biggest scum read... I didn't have heavy scum reads the biggest one was on VE because he just hadnt talked and I wanted to read him. Let's put you into the offensive for a moment since that's what you said you wanted, who do you think is mafia and why should we lynch them? | ||
Vivax
21959 Posts
March 20 2014 18:45 GMT
#2061
On March 20 2014 23:03 raynpelikoneet wrote: Show nested quote + On March 20 2014 23:01 Oatsmaster wrote: Explain how that makes Vivax scum please, im not following. Vivax said his scumreads were Hopeless/GT/thrawn and promised cases later. He made cases on Hopeless and thrawn. I asked him why no case on GT? He said GT had said good things after he left. I called that bullshit because GT had not posted after Vivax left. Vivax said when he made the post he had not been caught up and he was on page 40 when he wrote the original post where he called GT/Hopeless/thrawn mafia. The evidence he points out for thrawn/Hopeless being mafia starts after page 40. Therefore he can't possibly have thought they are scum for it because he has not read those pages. I did read certain filters Rayn, especially thrawn after he +1d with his poop paint picture, and I already said why I was suspicious of hopeless previously. GT followed up with a post with content at page 60, so my reasons for thinking he was scum for the way he was not contributing didn't stand on their own any more. Seriously this wagon is bullshit and is sure to net us most if not all of scum. If there's anyone having genuine doubt about what happened there then ask me anything about it and don't blindly sheep Rayn based on a representation that isn't correct. | ||
Vivax
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March 20 2014 18:49 GMT
#2064
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Vivax
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March 20 2014 18:53 GMT
#2066
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Vivax
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March 20 2014 19:17 GMT
#2078
It's this simple: I come home tired, I don't feel like reading much, I wanna sleep. Hopeless looked scummy to me at the start of the game for the way he was all serious about HF's points in the trolly stage. Reason made before page 40. Check. I see thrawn jumping on Coag with a poop paint picture after not posting much. Reading his filter cause I was suspicious of that I see he started posting a lot more after Coag confirmed himself as town. Yes I saw more of the game in tiny bits while reading his filter. I see Giggletummy posting more paint, complaining about spam and saying some nothing-saying stuff about HF. I think this dude could be scum. At that point I feel I have enough, turn off the computer and go to sleep, at that point I was at page 40ish. No, I didn't just read that but I also read some filters, but not all filters. In fact I still didn't read most of the game cause no time. So I come back next day, look at GT and actually notice he did follow up with a pretty huge post. I start posting about other stuff. You ask me why I didn't comment on him. I reply it's cause I didn't read his post made at page 60ish. I left the game before going to sleep in the belief that the bad stuff was all he posted at that point. Yes, I was too lazy and tired to read everything, and I made it clear. This is all I have to say in my defense regarding what you people are calling a scumslip. Now off to look at Poofters followup. | ||
Vivax
21959 Posts
March 20 2014 19:49 GMT
#2087
I give up and I don't want to play this game anymore, I'm tired of getting called scum whenever I have a life outside of this fucking game compared to people like rayn. Get this over with and I hope it's going to make you feel extremely satisfacted to see me flipping green you bad bastards. Hope scum wins this game, this town doesn't deserve to win. I gave you scum on a silver plate and you rejected it for some shitty reasoning. | ||
Vivax
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March 20 2014 20:19 GMT
#2106
1. thrawn2112 2. DarthPunk 3. Hopeless1der 4. djodref 5. Holyflare 6. VisceraEyes 7. raynpelikoneet 9. Coagulation 10. tehpoofter 11. Oatsmaster 12. GiggleTummy 13. Koshi 14. Palmar 15. Alakaslam | ||
Vivax
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March 20 2014 20:22 GMT
#2112
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Vivax
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March 25 2014 11:57 GMT
#4231
On March 25 2014 20:47 thrawn2112 wrote: + Show Spoiler + On March 19 2014 06:17 thrawn2112 wrote: ![]() did anyone know what this was? it was supposed to be a town claim I read it as: "I'm gonna lurk here in this corner while the others discuss stuff at the fire" | ||
Vivax
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March 25 2014 12:07 GMT
#4239
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Vivax
21959 Posts
March 25 2014 12:08 GMT
#4241
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Vivax
21959 Posts
March 25 2014 12:09 GMT
#4243
On March 25 2014 21:07 marvellosity wrote: Show nested quote + On March 25 2014 21:07 Vivax wrote: I will really have to try hard to not try hard in order to make my town meta so shitty and inactive that I can finally play scum without having to have >10 pages of filter by end of D1. stop bitching about activity you were just scummy Koshi caught you off your first post, then I had you as practically confirmed mafia from your 3rd post or so. Nothing to do with how many posts you made. Can't remember him bitching about my first post, but I remember him bitching about activity. | ||
Vivax
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March 25 2014 12:33 GMT
#4258
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Vivax
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March 25 2014 16:19 GMT
#4314
Time to ask some russians in Dota | ||
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