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![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/j4yik5Xl.png) This is where I'm at. I'm bad at sizing votes so ill recap. Town: Me, Koshi Mafia: VE, Thrawn Fence From scummiest to least scummy, Coag, Darthpunk, Palmer, Rayn, Holyflare Reasons to come for some of them except VE, he is my most scummy because he tells me hes good then doesn't talk at all bump that lurking bullshit. | ||
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Thrawn comes in with the vote on coag and doesnt say anything else but one little post which I believe coag pointed out which moved him from scummy to more fence. Coag vs Rayn the fight of the century: I think Rayn looks more town for bitching out and afk voting seems like a poor mafia play. Coag tried to defend himself really early super hard but seemed town the further it got into the day he actually stopped tunneling but his initial reaction just read scummy to me. Palmer I'm null on what he said he kinda ducked out of the whole early game thing and didnt add enough for me to gain alignment from. I liked Holyflare's case on DP it at least seemed like he took the time to read between the lines a bit. DP seems to discredit this as being a shit read but if it was shitty I'm buying the shit at least for now so sign me up!!! | ||
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On March 19 2014 12:19 Coagulation wrote: tehpoofter i dont think coag actually stopped tunneling rayn ever. do you realize we are a hydra? Yes but you did happen to mention other peoples names. So yeah. | ||
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On March 19 2014 12:03 Tehpoofter wrote: Reasons to come for some of them except VE, he is my most scummy because he tells me hes good then doesn't talk at all bump that lurking bullshit. Yeah I don't have a real read on VE. I said that in the post it was a bullshit read cause I don't have any scum. ITs a ping. VE is why I'm even in this game. I wanted to see him in the game doing things cause he is the one who wanted me to play its not like I voted for him. Cool your jets DP I'm town. | ||
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On March 19 2014 13:20 Holyflare wrote: K what do you make of dp's case on new guy (is he banks from dm?) confirmed this is Banks from DM hai guys I'm new here don't fear lynch me for a day or so. | ||
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On March 19 2014 13:35 DarthPunk wrote: So your biggest scum read wasn't even a read. So you have no reads. Cool. Its a could be read... its a prod. Its like hey lets check this guy out. I think that VE is mafia because he isn't living up to my expectations of what he would play like in forum mafia. If I'm wrong great then i get to read him as town. I do appreciate the pressure because it was bad and poorly explained its something I do in video mafia awesome and apparently not the best here  | ||
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On March 19 2014 13:39 Holyflare wrote: God you are 1000% mafia Hes 1000% wrong on me but idk if that means he is mafia. Is he typically this strong out on people as mafia? | ||
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On March 19 2014 15:06 Vivax wrote: Still have to read about that push from Rayn, and it's not just the first person to call somebody scum, it's about how quickly that person does it. Typically you would expect the majority of people to be townies so going instascum on somebody without poking first is what I would see as scummy, in that regard Holyflare's reaction looks townier than hopeless since DP reacted before HF went scum on him . I gtg now. I like that. I feel like thats a reasonable arguement and I kinda set you up to bury rayn there or throw some suspicion on him espeiclaly since he just came in and rando voted and didnt say anything. I don't think you're maf unless you're maf with exactly rayn here. From just a preliminary read I like the place your head is at vivax. | ||
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I'll vouche hes playing video mafia atm so he probably isn't reading but hes probably still scum. Town can multitask! | ||
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On March 20 2014 02:54 raynpelikoneet wrote: tehpoofter - is not reading properly, refuses to answer simple questions What questions did I miss? I'm assuming its the one about my thoughts on GT/Hopeless and why they weren't in my original reads. At the time I didn't read GT cause he was in that limbo of "content to come brb" so I was waiting on that. The Hopeless information had a lot to do with other games and meta like the 'scooby doo' game. I don't know what that is and am far too lazy to read another game on a day 1 early read so I abstained from it. That was at the time. More on this subject to come. My read on VE has changed since he talked I like him as town he seemed objective on me and I think brought up a good case on GT. To explain again for rayn cause he is reading way more town through the re-read than yesterday, I wanted to hear him talk cause i have reads on him from other types of mafia and if I read him I can base my reads around that getting the alignment of one can give me more and thats how I play mafia. | ||
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On March 20 2014 07:31 Koshi wrote: Who is the most scummy to you? GT that tunnels holyflare somewhat coherent. Djodref that tunnels rayn extremely messy. I will read Djo's filter | ||
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On March 19 2014 19:32 Djodref wrote: How is Alakaslam scummy ? And what about me also by the way ? To me this is weirder than anything about the ryan case I see someone who is unsure of their read as more townie which is what it feels like to me. He also only disagrees with your one read on Alakaslam which is odd to me cause the scum read there is hes afk which is super basic seems like an odd question to ask possibly overly defensive on a maf partner. So I think that after reading both cases I think GT is more scummy because HF to me seemed more town when the case was made than rayn did when DJo made his week one. | ||
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On March 20 2014 07:53 Palmar wrote: Thrawn is mafia for his 3rd townread. I don't believe for a second that anyone following the thread could possibly have his third strongest townread at the time on poof who basically said nothing at the time. There was more than enough content in the thread at the time to come up with a reasonable third townread. Not to mention his first 2 townreads was basically just copying thread sentiment (koshi/rayn). And when I pushed him for not including me he had no reason to think I'm mafia, just that one random list with little explanations from poof is better than everything I had posted up to that point based on different expectations of our play. It's also super interesting and should not be forgotten that poof's venn diagram was missing some pretty obvious people, I think most notably hopeless and giggle, and it included VE who had at the time basically done jack shit. I'm not entirely sure it makes him scum and apparently he knows VE, but it's worth mentioning. I actually agree with this on thrawn I don't think I would lynch him today but I think its a good point to look into later. He seemed to know I was town off something else no one was reading me town for could be too much information. | ||
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On March 20 2014 08:21 thrawn2112 wrote: when is later? why not now? So the thought process is you're good enough to read me as town from a couple posts which is awesome. I wouldn't lynch you today but one way to be really good is to know everything already so its something to look at in a later date. D1 is a different beast from other days cause there is little info and mostly just conjecture. When I play video mafia D1 you look at people playing extremely different from their normal game or not going to contribute to town. If you are contributing like I think you are you get a temporary pass but I am notating that scummy thing for later days when the decisions involve more information! Not even saying you're scum just that you could be but I wouldnt want to push on you today because it is counter intuitive this early to kill someone for being right but later in the game it might come up. | ||
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On March 20 2014 09:59 raynpelikoneet wrote: Assuming Hopeless is town: I can see 2 of those 3 being mafia, then Vivax and Slam, that would make sense. Anything other, not much. So I liked the logic on Hopeless being mafia if one of Me, GT, Djo is mafia too. I fail to see what hopeless being town makes 2 of us mafia. I think all of our interactions with hopeless are indicative with 2 maf together and I see that logic even knowing I'm one in the group and town. I however don't see this leap that if he is town 2 of the 3 of us are maf care to explain it further rayn? | ||
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On March 20 2014 10:13 DarthPunk wrote: What did you like about holy flare "reading between the lines"? and what does that even mean? Reading between the lines was bad phrasing it was more about him bringing up other cases outside of on rayn and coag going on then. He was not just looking at this one thing going on and saying omfg this guy is town in the arguement he was looking at your interactions during it and basing it off that. It felt more townie to me to be concerned with not just the one argument. I saw you ask this earlier but i find my phrasing insignificant at best and I don't really care if you think I'm scummy for not answering a question about someone I town read. | ||
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On March 20 2014 10:15 raynpelikoneet wrote: EBWOP: I mean the last part and what you asked. And my assumption is bad because it does not even make sense to myself.  Lol okay. So your 2 of 3 maf if hopeless town is bad just to clarify? Cause I actually like the first part and can see a GT Hopeless maf team world quite easy only concern being its like way obvious even to someone like me who hasnt play forum mafia and I assume most of you guys are better than that. | ||
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On March 20 2014 10:20 Hopeless1der wrote: 1 of DP/HF I think VE has a slight chance but I have him as town atm poof/vivax/djo is a clusterfuck to me...at least 1 i guess GT has my vote and then slam hasnt posted anything Why 1 of DP/HF?? No way they're both town/maf in your eyes? | ||
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Rayn thanks for more of an explanation I sorta see that but to me the 1 of the 3 + hopeless maf is more likely than 2 of the 3 are maf if hopeless is town. | ||
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On March 20 2014 11:19 raynpelikoneet wrote: Slam there is ~20 hours left in the day and noone thinks you are mafia. lol this is awesome | ||
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@vivax. Your accusation is shit. I explained my stance on HF quite well and if you can't read what I said as simply bad phrasing from someone then thats fine scum read me for it but you're incorrect. I will explain one last time then I'm on to scum hunting. I said read between the lines that was a poor choice of phrasing I just meant HF wasn't just focused on the Rayn/coag situation but wanted to look at other sources. This made me read him as town even if I didn't think that his case was super strong I wouldn't expect it to be that early so I read him town for making one. No onto real scum hunting. | ||
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Its the same thing you wrote before and I'm ignoring your tunneling because your wrong and you clearly are a player that tunnels. Get off me and look elsewhere if you're town which I actually think you are. I've addressed what you said before and did yet again which I can link. | ||
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On March 20 2014 14:17 Tehpoofter wrote: @Thrawn thanks for defending me but I got this. @vivax. Your accusation is shit. I explained my stance on HF quite well and if you can't read what I said as simply bad phrasing from someone then thats fine scum read me for it but you're incorrect. I will explain one last time then I'm on to scum hunting. I said read between the lines that was a poor choice of phrasing I just meant HF wasn't just focused on the Rayn/coag situation but wanted to look at other sources. This made me read him as town even if I didn't think that his case was super strong I wouldn't expect it to be that early so I read him town for making one. No onto real scum hunting. @DP i address it again here just so you can see bolded for you. MAn this Tehpoofter guy is town is what you should be typing. Your point about me changing between the case and the read on HF I meant it as a read on HF and even in my diagram I didn't put you as scummy because I didn't agree that you were from his case I pushed you more towards scum cause at the time I read you more scummy than him but not scummy. We good? I will entertain your accusations for the next like 30 minutes so feel free to keep them coming but after that if you're town we need to actually kill mafia not fight. | ||
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On March 20 2014 09:31 DarthPunk wrote: @ tehpoofter. What did you like about holyflare 'reading between the lines' and what the fuck does that even mean? On March 20 2014 10:32 Tehpoofter wrote: @DP Suffice it to say I was reading HF town because he wasnt talking about Rayn Coag in the first 3 hours that is also why I have a town read on Koshi (early town read) That was basically all I was saying I phrased it poorly so I understand your confusion. There you go | ||
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On March 20 2014 14:56 DarthPunk wrote: No that does not make sense because you were talking about Holyflare's case on me not about a read on holyflare. You literally said that you liked holyflare's case. Not that you thought that Holy was town and holy's case had nothing to do with the raayn coag situation. Now you are saying you didn't think the case was good. But originally you said you liked his case. That is a completely out of whack story you have going on. Fair enough if thats your hangup consider it a misstep I see where you're getting that case and read are different. I meant it as a read at the time I did like the case when I made the original post I have since decided that his case was weak after a reread so I just stuck with the read. I only bring up the case thing because the fact he made a case good or bad was more the fact he made the case. | ||
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@DP I wasn't lying you seriously are wrong change your vote if you really think I'm mafia but you're wrong. I at first thought the case was good and town read him and don't think the case was good anymore. I still read HF as town for bringing up a case even though now after a reread I think its not as good. We done here? or you guys still want to waste another 4-5 pages being wrong? I'm sure the people waking up will love reading this boring accusation over semantics. | ||
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On March 20 2014 15:33 Vivax wrote: Also notice how he has Coag among his scumreads but he says that HF is town for ignoring the issue in the next post. I want to see how he explains that it's townie to not talk about an issue that gives you a scumread on somebody. Its townie to talk about more than just that especially early in day 1. Its townie to know that just 1 person being mafia isnt enough and forming other circles is good. Even though you may have a good read on one mafia doesn't mean you should tunnel it and in the diagram I wasn't liking Coag but he wasn't even my biggest scum read... I didn't have heavy scum reads the biggest one was on VE because he just hadnt talked and I wanted to read him. | ||
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On March 20 2014 15:35 DarthPunk wrote: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/XKHvMrs.png) He lied. He tried to cover it up. He changed his story. He is scum. Glad you grew a pair and voted after 30+ hours of accusation. You're still wrong. I think you're town reading your filter so I'm trying to show you I'm not mafia. I realize forum and video mafia are different but if you look at my only other mafia games for forum I played one game and just tunneled on one person the whole game and got lynched day 2. This is me playing town so right this down for your meta DP. | ||
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On March 20 2014 15:41 Vivax wrote: Let's put you into the offensive for a moment since that's what you said you wanted, who do you think is mafia and why should we lynch them? Hurray you made a useful post. Thanks for asking bud! I IF you look at my filter rayn brought up what I think is an awesome post about one of myself GT and DJo to be mafia with hopeless if he is mafia. I really liked this line of reasoning but basically its that the more veteran players are all reading Hopeless mafia and since none of me GT or djo had touched him yet and it seemed obvious were likely to be with him in some fashion and the other of us are bad. This is really good circle forming and make sense. I think the most likely is GT because his first post he defends hopeless who was under some heat at the time and made a different case (ill look up who it was on in a sec but I'm bad at forums and don't want to lose my train of thought searching) So if I was to pick two it would be GT/hopeless assuming rayn's theory is correct. Now I also see hopeless being with djo because of something djo brought up On March 19 2014 22:28 Djodref wrote: I don't understand what he has against Hopeless exactly and I wouldn't mind him explaining again. The scooby doo thing looks minor to me but I honestly don't want to read a previous game. tl;dr rayn is rather scummy for me at the moment He said the case was minor so he could be soft deflecting for a teammate. To be fair I will say that I left Hopeless out of my early reads which is what DP originally was on me for, so I could be on his team in this sense too as rayn pointed out. This last one is wrong cause I'm town but just thought I'd throw it out there | ||
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On March 20 2014 15:46 DarthPunk wrote: Holyflare has played 1 game with me as town and I was a smurf intentionally trying a different style. He is completely unaware of my meta. Also he thinks I am scum so what do you fucking expect from that question? Like this is what you are doing: Hey holyflare what do you think of the person whom you have tunneled very obviously all fucking game? I think he is town but I hope you call him scum again so that it will take pressure of me and I can omgus without it looking like omgus. I'm giving him a chance not to tunnel like maybe he can say "you know what he does do this as town" or something if he refuses to reconsider it gives me a read on him. I know this may come as a shock to you DP but I do this thing where I reevaluate my reads throughout a game and I give people a chance to talk and listen and prove themselves townie to me. I don't just pick one person and tunnel vision them into the ground. @DP so Hf's obvious tunnel on you do you read that town? What about vivax? If you knew that I was green and vivax is reading this on me what does that say to you about his alignment? | ||
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Also what do you think about Rayn's assumption one of me GT DJO is with hopeless? Seems like you think DJO is maf do you think him and hopeless have a strong connection? | ||
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On March 20 2014 16:28 DarthPunk wrote: Jesus man read the thread. Holy did this to me in my last game as town. I thought he was probably town until he started lying and after he didn't de-tunnel. Like he is either severely tunneled or scum. Either way his input is meaningless to me for now. I realize the HF read is redundant I more want to know what you think of vivax. | ||
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On March 20 2014 18:14 DarthPunk wrote: well? surely you have an opinion after reading it. I know it is difficult to understand but still... I just spent 10 minutes trying to quote that and its annoying but his point about how you didnt question me is bullshit. Hf I can link it but DP asked me several times about my read and that was like his main frustration at the start so i disagree with you HF on that point and I think your overall case is meh at best. I would stop tunneling DP at least for today. I feel like hes actually trying to figure out the game in his posts he seems town to me hes wrong on some things including me but he is looking and is active if hes mafia hes going to become more apparent because he will have to reach more as the days go on. So you two should kiss and make up for today and lets find some real scum. | ||
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On March 20 2014 18:36 Holyflare wrote: Poofter wtf are you saying he made a case on you and then questioned you. At least say what's meh about it instead of generalisations He questioned me before the case.... that was what I was getting at. I think you're wrong on him being mafia. Sorry I was trying to quote it but its super long. Basically I feel like hes trying to figure out the game he is pushing in weird directions but I think pushing hard is more town than mafia. If hes mafia hes sticking his neck out REALLY far on the wrong people that are going to flip town.... would suck to get caught like that on day 1. Day 1 scum IMO are people not pushing super hard. Cases like yours HF I think are better suited for day 2-3. | ||
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![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/aYM7lAW.png) Just fyi I have my vote for Hopeless on the ready I feel both are good flips and likely to be mafia. | ||
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![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/OMYJh7P.png) Glad I contributed a lot to the lynch. Good job boys. I honestly didn't think rayn's thing was a big maf tell but now I know! The lynch did bring me to this conclusion though. I think that Rayn Koshi are obviously town --Rayn for me is clear the rest of the game for that if he bussed his own partner that hard he deserves the win so gg. --Koshi bringing it up originally and his reaction to the lynch seemed very town as well. ---Oats comes out from a neutral point to a town point after the lynch for how he pushed it along and brought up the 95%/5% logic to HF. Basically saying hey this is an almost sure thing more of the time so we should roll with it on day 1. I think this put him at the number 3 spot in my town circle. VE for me is a weird spot because his timing of showing up is really odd almost like how i felt in my first ever game where I was getting lynched and read the scum QT first and they were like "omfg you need to talk" and I forced myself to pop in and say something. To me the things that VE has said seem townie but the timing of them in the thread seems weird. Like his whole bit about how hes not convinced and if something changes hes going to stay on GT if he was scum and knew Vivax would flip scum doesn't just going "wow this guy is scum I'm with you!" seem more mafia? The only thing that gets me is when he showed up to the thread so he drops off from townie to neutral because of timing alone. I'm about to go to dinner and look into the thread a bit more to get into where we should lynch. I'm also going to draw another vin Diagram even though you guys called it scummy last time I like the way it represents my reads vs a straight town/maf list. | ||
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![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/v79X89xl.png) This is where I'm at. GT - Vivax was bringing a case on me when GT was being the main focus atm and scum needed to get the ball rolling on something else in town so he didn't get mislynched.... its entirely possible its GT and DJO and they didn't push on DJO for that reason alone so vivax had to do something so he went on me to get off GT. I'm having a hard time figuring out why he(Vivax) wouldn't just hope on GT or DJO lynches if they're town. Might as well just ride the wave and blame the people who started the mislynch as scum. DJO- I covered it above but to a lesser extent I would lynch either of these two tomorrow. Maybe Vivax was just trying to be the hipster that started a new case before it was cool and knew GT would be a misslynch if hes town.... if thats the case I think that DJO is mafia here because Vivax's actions lead me to believe that. I think we can actually garner a lot of information from the way DAY1 played out because Vivax was no really on towns mind until Rayn/Koshi decided to do some digging and wrecked him out of no where and plan Mafia might have formulated wouldn't have been able to handle Vivax suddenly flipping scum they had no time to hide their actions or anything. I'm going Occum's Razor until proven otherwise. The none scum reads below as they're not as important as who i want to lynch. | ||
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2 more to go.... At work so trying to read and formulate a case but might get sidetrack with pesky customers. | ||
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On March 22 2014 02:45 VisceraEyes wrote: Anyway, poofter is looking odd to me. In this post he states that he didn't think rayn's thing was that big a mafia tell...I'm assuming as explanation of why his vote wasn't on Vivax. If that's the case, then why didn't he state as much at the time? I mean if he's townreading Vivax, why not say as much in the thread in his defense? I mean if he's not here that's one thing - but that's not what his post says, his POST says that he didn't think it was that big of a mafia tell. Sooooooooo....why not say as much? In the drawing in the same post you see me sleeping cause I was asleep the whole time the vivax accusation went down I woke up and read it all I was trying to say that I didnt realize that was a big scum tell in forum mafia when I was first reading it. I'm going to play the "wow i should have realized that was scummy I'm an idiot for not seeing it card" that make more sense VE? I was asleep when it happened. As far as scum hunting is concerned. Based on the meta of voting I'm going to say that DJO could definitely be scum here because GT was getting a lot of heat and the next most likely case is on him so stands to reason Vivax not knowing hes about to get slammed by rayn would push a lynch on a town to avoid the GT lynch... he chose me over DJO. He would do this in my mind for 1 of 2 reasons: 1) He thinks he can make a stronger case on me than he could a town DJO so hes pushing my mislynch probably because I'm a new player to forum so he thinks I might just crumble or defend poorly or something. 2.) He is scum partners with both GT and DJO and needs to get another lynch train rolling before it comes to the end and its hammer Scum teammate A or Scum teammate B. I'm leaning towards option 2. One of the main reasons for that is the thing where DJO claims to be just DJO and is totally okay with the Vigi shot...If that happened in video mafia its like 70/30 a scum saying that to get by an extra day. He also might be knowing that GT is the other likely shot and if he is the Vanilla Mafia he would 100% rather take a bullet than have his Godfather in GT get shot cause that could be potentially an out for mafia after a not so stellar day 1. | ||
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@DJO What do you think maf was trying to accomplish last night with a HF kill? | ||
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On March 22 2014 11:54 Oatsmaster wrote: You have 0 valid points djo. None. Why doesnt everyone think he is scum? I wouldn't say 0 valid points I skimmed it here when I get off work I'm going to look more closely at it and I'll quote the parts I remember agreeing with a bit. Don't get me wrong I still think hes scum by association atm just saying. | ||
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On March 22 2014 07:40 Djodref wrote: And last but not least, there are many occurrences of Oats defending GT in the second page of his filter. @Oats This was the one point of DJO's case I agreed with Oats I was referring to. Knowing GT's alignment it does look a bit off for you to defend him in this kinda way but overall the case isn't good enough for me to call you scum at all. I still have you as town if you look in my latest paint just below Rayn and Koshi. This is something that shouldn't be looked at today and DJO looks far scummier. | ||
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On March 22 2014 13:27 Oatsmaster wrote: I dont think anyone else is scum besides poof mainly. Poof mightve killed holyflare because of the video mafia connection. Also his terrible opening. And now he says ive done scummy stuff but is not really scun I've played with HF once maybe twice on video mafia I've played with VE the most and Rayn 2nd most. I never said you did scummy things I just said there was one part of DJO's case I agreed with was scummy but I think overall you've been far more townie. I stated earlier why I thought DJO was scum sometimes scum do point out scummy thing in others though I think thats perfectly reasonable. | ||
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On March 22 2014 14:53 Oatsmaster wrote: Meh if thats what you think its scummy you better have a reason beyond he flipped scum. Ok I guess the hf kill is totally unexplainable then I think there is a good explanation of why he was killed. | ||
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I mean is your biggest thing the vigi thing? I understand cause vigi shot right we have a bunch of ML but I dont feel like that alone is enough to think someones mafia. | ||
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On March 22 2014 15:12 raynpelikoneet wrote: Also VE is really really town now. I will agree to that I think his night phase was quite townie. | ||
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On March 22 2014 16:11 DarthPunk wrote: I know. Maybe I should disagree with you just because. I'm going to chalk it up to the fact I've been drinking. I'm going to run through Oats filter and see what I find. I'm still not on the train. | ||
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On March 23 2014 07:57 Koshi wrote: In what woold do we live that reading the thread is scummy... lol | ||
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On March 23 2014 09:09 DarthPunk wrote: This is the opposite of the truth. There is literally no reason to shoot holyflaRe if I was mafia. Unless I wanted to make myself look terrible. Bleh it is all WIFOM anyway, but that conclusion is fallacious. I agree with this. DP as mafia would have had to buddy up to his maf partner in vivax with his case on me then backs off me while his partner still was on me. Then he would have to turn and be one of the first to bw the lynch on his partner. His day 1 doesn't make much sense as scum. I think DP is town rayn. HF could have died for a bunch of reasons, 1) to frame DP 2) DP is maf and kills his biggest opponent who is other scum buddy GT had a case against 3) to negate a possible cop check on HF 4) maybe they thought his talking about all the blues at night was his way of softing a role. 5) Mafia is Palmer who wants to get two kills but can't kill Rayn cause hes like the obv medic save but needs to kill 2 productive town. I think 1 and 3 are most likely and the others silly at this point. | ||
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On March 23 2014 08:33 thrawn2112 wrote: er that might have been confusing. basically he has two ways of playing town, one useful and one not useful, and his scum meta is more like his useful town meta except that it isn't actually useful. whatever about meta though. he's been unable to talk about anything except djo for how long now? mid way through D1? So you think he is being useful but not and thats scummy but he has a not useful town play?... can you explain his meta more like what is the difference basically he does useful things but they don't end up helping town? is what im getting. I want to bw with rayn and just let him carry me to victory but I am still not sold that its Oats as of yet. I passed out last night reading his filter and at work hard to have time to sit down and read it all. | ||
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On March 23 2014 08:30 Palmar wrote: btw just because I spent time doing this during the night: raynpelikoneet 504 Holyflare 432 DarthPunk 376 Palmar 293 Koshi 228 thrawn2112 212 Hopeless1der 202 VisceraEyes 145 Oatsmaster 92 Djodref 88 Giggletummy 66 Tehpoofter 66 Coagulation 63 Alakaslam 48 Vivax 40 I don't think it's very relevant but who knows. Seems I'm in good company. | ||
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On March 23 2014 08:05 Tehpoofter wrote: Slam is a hard read for me cause I honestly feel like he refers to a lot of past games and meta that I don't have so I want to sheep my town reads... can rayn and koshi have like a session and agree on his alignment. This is what I posted after reading Slam's filter. I was more confused on his alignment than when I started. He isn't providing me with a way to read him as town so to me that leans mafia but for some reason Rayn has a read on him as town and dude is on fire this game so maybe I'm missing something from meta. | ||
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On March 23 2014 11:34 DarthPunk wrote: The thing is though that slam is clearly playing the idiot this game. I don't believe it because he is also clearly reading the thread. Hes practically incoherent to me reading his filter he really isn't helping town. He doesn't seem to be scum hunting to me at all. If this were lylo I would be scared to lynch him but with the position town is in I think if he's scum here 30% of the time or more its worth the lynch. We would clear up an unknown and possibly a town cop check and it becomes easier to solve the game with people who are invested in it. At work now but when I get home Going to throw my vote on the Slam train unless something changes. | ||
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On March 23 2014 11:52 thrawn2112 wrote: i think maybe if we hit scum 1 more time, if rayn is still around we can vig him He could save his shot for something else though and rayn has read him as town and is the current reason I think he isn't being voted on by more people. Do you think rayn is likely enough to change his strong town read on him enough to shoot him in the night? | ||
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On March 23 2014 12:40 Hopeless1der wrote: VE, Oats, then I'd literally flip a coin between you and djo. Dibs on tails! I'm surprised Slam isn't on there at least in your top 3/4 since its okay to burn a lynch on him. Why is that? | ||
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On March 23 2014 12:43 thrawn2112 wrote: obviously oats. but that shouldnt be a concern right now because we had a good vig shot and D1 scum lynch. this fuckn sucks tho, the two of them don't talk enough I feel like the fact we have those things is an even better reason to ask questions like that because its more about who can help us later if were wrong because we have the luxury of being wrong a couple times. | ||
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On March 23 2014 13:13 raynpelikoneet wrote: Like there is no reason Oats should be so sure of Djo being mafia unless he has a red check on him. Absolutely no way. His case is from something about 24h into D1 and it has not evolved since. Flips from D1 and N1 highly suggest Djo is not mafia. Oats hasn't added anything to his case since then, and he is not here telling us why the guy he is 100% sure is mafia should be our lynch instead of saying "you should not think i am mafia". I like this way better than the whole Oats said he didnt like a maf dying. Which i think is just super weird as the only evidence.Thanks rayn. | ||
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On March 23 2014 15:07 thrawn2112 wrote: town oats is unlynchable so we lynch him and hes guaranteed mafia? | ||
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On March 24 2014 05:47 Palmar wrote: Thing is though, no one was in any hurry to save Oats there at the deadline, it was me who saved him, and the votes already on djodref are 2 confirmed townies + 2 strong townreads + oats himself. Like unless you think I'm mafia with Oats, he's town, or his partner did not give a shit, or DP/thrawn is mafia. Looks like Slam was asking rayn ho to hammer then didn't and Palmered hammered instead. I like this post though cause unless you see a Palmer/Oats mafia world its most likely not a mafia hammering there cause no reason for Palmer to switch from a town to a town if Oats is town too so Palmer is only mafia here if its with Oats exactly I feel like which is really good info for the future.(Of course maybe Palmer as mafia could read DJO as a blue and Oats VT but thats super far fetched.) If I had been awake during the last bit I probably would have voted DJO too I said earlier in the day I had a scum read on him and tried to figure out why Oats was being voted on by Rayn. The best thing about this vote is that it polarizes some mafia teams. Like I mentioned if you think Palmer is mafia (which I don't think anyone did minus VE) hes only mafia with Oats so If rayn shoots Oats or something and he flips green Palmer becomes pretty clear in my eyes. The only scum team that possibly could have led that lynch like he said was DP/Thrawn but DP was trying to push off Oats most of the day and even at the end was the only one defending him. I think the most likely scenario is that we're dealing with lazy mafia in Hopeless/VE/Slam. I feel like the flip and who was around at the end to try and figure the game out leads to Oats leaning more town or scum with a very select few people. So for me I think that D3 lynch is between Hopeless/Ve/Slam Rayn can pop Oats if he wants and it rules out some scum teams (Palmer/Oats or Oats/DP) We still have I think 2 ML left so I think our odds are pretty good. I think the only way we lose this game is if Koshi happens to be faking his role but seems like someone would have CC so not a world I live in. Does forum mafia usually go this easily? | ||
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I think maf is between Hopeless/VE/Slam unless Maf team is one of Palmer/Oats, DP/Oats, or DP/thrawn although I find those three quite unlikely. If I'm right its auto at this point if we lynch the 3. | ||
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On March 24 2014 08:58 Oatsmaster wrote: Poof, why do you suddenly think im not scum? I explained it in my long post the page before but short version the way yesterday went down you're only on a scum team with Palmer or DP and thats it in my eyes but I read both as town so its unlikely to me you're scum based on the flip and the late switch to DJO. Plus yesterday several times I asked rayn to clarify his read on you I was more pro killing DJO for most of the day. I only voted about 8 hours or so before deadline before I went to bed cause frankly I was sheeping rayn and worst case your lynch would have given town info same as DJO. Now we know that D1 there were 2 town mislynches being pushed the DJO lynch and Vivax's case on me. So going to spend my free time at work looking back at that and see if anything pops up. Is there a quick way to look up vote counts? I'm assuming not. | ||
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On March 21 2014 01:19 geript wrote: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/DbZvPvy.jpg) DarthPunk (1): Holyflare Coagulation (0): Holyflare (1): Giggletummy Tehpoofter (1): Hopeless1der (0): djodref (2): Giggletummy (3): Vivax (5): raynpelikoneet, DarthPunk, Oatsmaster, Palmar, Hoplesss1der Not Voting: Alakaslam Currently Vivax is set to be lynched. Day ends in So looking back at how day 1 played out the only ones really pushing DJO were Oats, Koshi and Thrawn... I find it odd Vivax didn't hop on but I was just looking at the votes and briefly reading while working. So those are the ones on the mislynch day 1.. I do kinda agree with something Palmer said about Thrawn instantly knowing I'm town I mean on one hand good read but a bit of unease would be good. I need to reread day 1 some more to see how much traction the DJO case was getting and from whom cause frankly I've forgotten and after the way yesterday went I didn't think Oats or Thrawn was mafia but otherwise wtf was scum doing Day1? pushing no ML aside from Vivax's case on me? | ||
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On March 24 2014 11:03 raynpelikoneet wrote: Ahh okay. I don't get what this discussion is about. Like what is this going to achieve? You guys are just posting what has happened in thread without any conclusions. We know now that DJO was a day 1 misslynch being pushed so seeing whose agenda to push that is a decent way to get a scum do you not agree? Thrawn Oats Koshi were the 3 voting on it. Excluding Koshi obviously this leads me to believe That if Thrawn/Oats aren't scum the only scum led push day 1 was onto myself by Vivax..... would not agree rayn that is a useful bit of information? I think if Slam is mafia the 2nd option is much more viable if he is town then I think there had to be at least one active scum day 1. | ||
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On March 24 2014 11:25 raynpelikoneet wrote: So who is mafia? You are just stating the obvious. I said it earlier in the thread but at work I don't have time to dig up and read the whole first day to decide who was mafia I was just writing an outline for myself for later. If Slam is mafia then I think its likely to be VE or Hopeless who are his partners. I gave my list earlier in the day too but I'm not going to look it up cause fuck that. I want to reread the way day 1 went down knowing the flips of 3 of the big lynch canidates and see who was pushing who. I think posting your train of thought is important as opposed to just randomly posting a case if I get my thought process out there it helps others know where as case comes from. Do you not see how that is important? | ||
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On March 25 2014 07:54 Palmar wrote: hell he can even guarantee one more cop check, thus make the game end faster. btw short days please. Can we do short days? Like is that something we can do? | ||
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So In my mind it doesnt matter the order tbh i think Oats is most likely to have a team with the ones left as far as a teammate DP is the obvious connected one to Oats. My next guess would be Oats and Palmer. The game is won at this point only way its not a win is that there is a fake claim. | ||
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On March 25 2014 08:48 raynpelikoneet wrote: No it's totally illogical and a way to not contribute if you are mafia. Its completely logical I disagree with you 100%. | ||
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On March 25 2014 09:14 Hopeless1der wrote: Lynch palmar to verify claim. Shoot dp after. | ||
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On March 25 2014 09:16 raynpelikoneet wrote: This is what i am thinking but i think we should lynch Oats instead of Palmar because Palmar looks more townie. Only this about this rayn is that Oats could be town in both scenarios so if he flips town then it doesn't give us more info if he flips mafia though thats a different story. Palmer dying as either alignment gives us more info. | ||
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Scenario 1: Palmer flips scum, DP is real cop or bussing we shoot Hopeless in the night if he flips mafia we win if he flips cop we lynch DP and game over D4. Scenario 2: Palmer Flips town, DP is fake cop we shoot him in the night and hopeless ideally gets another check and we then come up with last mafia in the night or a 5th confirm and its auto. The only way the Palmer lynch is incorrect is if hes medic and he dies and can't save hopeless who in that scenario would be real. Now lynching others.... We lynch DP Scenario 1) DP flips cop - shoot palmer lynch hopeless its gg D4 Scenario 2) DP flips scum - Who do you shoot in the night? maybe you shoot a town and they kill a town and we do get a check and still win just takes longer potentially. We lynch Hopeless Scenario 1) He flips scum - Shoot palmer in the night and win the game (fastest way to win) Scenario 2) He flips cop - We shoot DP in the night and get no more checks and have to hunt for the last mafia. I think that Palmer is the safest and fastest win for town. Either of his flips gives town an auto win from everyone's perspective unless hes medic. If he is medic then its still auto he just claims and we lynch DP get another check and win same as if he flipped town. | ||
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On March 25 2014 09:40 Tehpoofter wrote: I still feel like palmer is the correct lynch: Scenario 1: Palmer flips scum, DP is real cop or bussing we shoot Hopeless in the night if he flips mafia we win if he flips cop we lynch DP and game over D4. Scenario 2: Palmer Flips town, DP is fake cop we shoot him in the night and hopeless ideally gets another check and we then come up with last mafia in the night or a 5th confirm and its auto. The only way the Palmer lynch is incorrect is if hes medic and he dies and can't save hopeless who in that scenario would be real. Now lynching others.... We lynch DP Scenario 1) DP flips cop - shoot palmer lynch hopeless its gg D4 Scenario 2) DP flips scum - Who do you shoot in the night? maybe you shoot a town and they kill a town and we do get a check and still win just takes longer potentially. We lynch Hopeless Scenario 1) He flips scum - Shoot palmer in the night and win the game (fastest way to win) Scenario 2) He flips cop - We shoot DP in the night and get no more checks and have to hunt for the last mafia. I think that Palmer is the safest and fastest win for town. Either of his flips gives town an auto win from everyone's perspective unless hes medic. If he is medic then its still auto he just claims and we lynch DP get another check and win same as if he flipped town. Bolded section. If he flips town you shoot DP Hopeless should get another check unless palmer is medic and if he gets another check that gives us enough confirmed for an auto win correct? We would have rayn, koshi, hopeless,slam, his check assuming green vs 1 mafia | ||
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On March 25 2014 09:45 raynpelikoneet wrote: DO YOU UNDERSTAND YOU ARE NOT CONFIRMED TOWN AND YOU CAN'T EXCLUDE YOURSELF FROM THE LIST??? I do understand and if Palmer flips town then there is 3 left unconfirmed affiliation hopeless checks 1 if it returns town there is 2 more that aren't confirmed affiliation we lynch 1 then a nk the other dies the next day its auto. Do you understand this logic? its the fastest safest win. | ||
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On March 25 2014 09:52 raynpelikoneet wrote: Hopeless dies next night he will not get a check. I thought there was a medic in this game??? | ||
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On March 25 2014 10:09 raynpelikoneet wrote: No your play does not 100% win the game so stop poofer. I will shoot you next night if you don't explain how your plan 100% wins the game in every scenario and you keep going on with it. How does it not win the game? Like I'm honestly at a lost maybe there is a mechanic in this game I don't understand but I swear this is correct. | ||
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On March 25 2014 10:09 Koshi wrote: Dp is scum poofter Silly guy Thats how I'm leaning cause once hopeless claims mafia is backed into a corner. Like if DP is scum my play works really well. If hes cop it also works really well. I can't help but be so right with my logic rayn is just being silly. | ||
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On March 25 2014 10:09 raynpelikoneet wrote: No your play does not 100% win the game so stop poofer. I will shoot you next night if you don't explain how your plan 100% wins the game in every scenario and you keep going on with it. Already explained it. Scenario 1: Palmer flips town... DP is fake cop you shoot him in the night hopeless gets another check between Me Oats and VE the only 3 unconfirmed... a confirmed dies in the night most likely next day if hopeless checked a mafia then we lynch them if he checked a town then there is 4 confirmed and 2 unconfirmed you lynch one even if its a mislynch you lose 1 in the night its 3 to 1 and its gg. Scenario 2: Palmer flips scum you shoot Hopeless game over unless DP was bussing if thats the case then we lynch DP the next day and its game over. Scenario 3: ??? What scenario do we lose in??? Explain rayn... Only way we don't win is if we don't have a medic which the way I understand it we do have a medic. Is there like a chance one of them is paranoid cop or insane or something that gets shit checks? I don't think there is a framer What am I missing rayn??? | ||
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On March 25 2014 10:16 raynpelikoneet wrote: Palmar flips town: DP is mafia, i shoot him. Mafia shoots Hopeless. 5-1 (Koshi me slam confirmed) (you oats VE) unconfirmed. 2 lynches - 3 people - lynch 2 townies = lose Palmar flips mafia: We don't know which one of Hopeless/DP is mafia. One of cop claims is mafia. 100% win Now for the dear fucking love of god how do we win in the fisrt scenario??? So there isnt a medic in the game then? Cause medic would have to be dumb not to save the cop there. | ||
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On March 25 2014 10:19 raynpelikoneet wrote: Well if noone does claim medic there probably is no medic. This is not so hard. There is no medic UNLESS SOMEONE CLAIMS MEDIC, BECAUSE IF THEY CLAIM MEDIC WE WIN 100% BUT IF A TOWN MEDIC DOES NOT CLAIM MEDIC THEY ARE RETARDED. NOONE IS THAT RETARDED SO THERE IS NO MEDIC IF THERE IS NO CLAIM. Jesus fucking christ. Yeah okay I thought you would have been able to read it when I said it... I'm the goddamn medic its auto win if we kill palmer I'll save whichever cop is real or rayn if we dont know. Like I wouldn't come up with that logic if i didnt KNOW there was a medic. You've played with me before rayn come on bro. So kill Palmer he flips scum I save rayn he shoots either cop and one is 100% mafia. Thats why I brought up the logic. IF he flips town I save hopeless he checks oats or VE and we win the next way. I was trying to be cheeky cause I thought you would realize I'd have to know there is a medic but w.e. I'm Rembrandt the Doctor. I saved N1 Rayn and N2 Palmer cause I figured mafia would cop hunt and it was him or thrawn in my eyes that were the kills. So there we go its auto. | ||
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On March 25 2014 10:21 raynpelikoneet wrote: And btw if you had paid any attention you would know there is exactly one person who can claim medic in this game so why are you avoiding contributing tehpoofer? If you assume there is a medic the medic can't be anyone but VE so why don't you just say "okay VE please confirm you are medic so win can win this game"? Its auto I'm medic vote palmer and we win. GG mafia. | ||
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On March 25 2014 10:37 raynpelikoneet wrote: Lynch DP. If he is town we lynch Palmar/Hopeless and win. If he is mafia you save Hopeless. If Hopeless dies you are mafia. Hopeless checks Palmar/VE. Red = instawin. Green = lynch the other one. If the game does not end lynch poofer. 100% guaranteed mafia can concede GG! You left out Oats in your last scenario..... Palmer says a check/ML. Its easy I really can't grasp how you dont see my logic. Palmer is the correct lynch. Always here with a medic out and the numbers we have its always auto win even if I was mafia fake claiming when the person I'm suppose to save at night dies then you lynch me. I can't see how you don't understand it. | ||
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I am going to find another game to play and will hopefully be able to get some more video players to sign up as well. You guys are all of course welcome to play video mafia whenever at dailymafia.com where you can be the newbies and get mislynched  Great game guys I feel like I was kind of a bad medic I would never have saved rayn normally n1 and would have probably saved someone else but if rayn died I would have felt so bad GG and thanks for the carry VE!!! | ||
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