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I have read the whole thread again and I don't think that rayn could be mafia anymore.
I don't like how Oats and thrawn voted me for the lynch with little justification. I would expect thrawn to be more active to push my lynch over GT as well.
I don't mind Koshi voting me that much because I believe he is town and I know I didn't do much.
I'd be happy to get behind a GT lynch today for self preservation mainly.
Also I wouldn't be surprised if we have at least 3 mafia members in the pool of less active players in this game. Which I'm fully aware of belonging to. I'm not mafia though 
I'll try to give better input tomorrow before the lynch and also my paintings if I get behind a proper computer.
I got to go to bed now though but I'll hang around a little more.
See you tomorrow guys!
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On March 20 2014 08:51 Oatsmaster wrote:
skip the rest, not important.
I feel that giggle has defended himself pretty decently though after you guys put him under a lotta pressure.
And I'm surprised you are not putting that much effort to advertise my lynch over his.
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On March 20 2014 08:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Wait Djodref. Why is any vote on you more townie or unimportant than any other?
You mean the Koshi vote ?
I found him very straightforward and open in the way he voted me. He pointed out at my demand what he found scummy in my play and warned me that I should step up my game. I didn't do it and I feel like I got what I deserved.
Thrawn and Oats votes are less explanatory.
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On March 20 2014 09:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2014 09:11 Djodref wrote:On March 20 2014 08:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Wait Djodref. Why is any vote on you more townie or unimportant than any other? You mean the Koshi vote ? I found him very straightforward and open in the way he voted me. He pointed out at my demand what he found scummy in my play and warned me that I should step up my game. I didn't do it and I feel like I got what I deserved. Thrawn and Oats votes are less explanatory. They are all voting for you for exactly same reasons and it's easily to be seen from their posts.
They may have the same reasons but they didn't have the same way of doing it. From my point of view, it could be convenient for them to just put down their vote on me if they were mafia.
And to answer to thrawn, I need to see more from Oats to read him properly, he looked quite townish until he decided to put down his vote on me and went to bed.
As for you thrawn, I was worried about your activity level until you started to post more tonight. I have you more on the townie side with your latest posts. But this is as well downgraded by the fact that you have your vote on me.
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On March 20 2014 09:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Serious question:
tehpoofer, Djodref and Giggletummy what do you think Hopeless' alignment is?
Not sure about Hopeless yet, he looks like he spent a lot of time clarifying the scooby doo thing (and I'm unable to tell if it's on purpose or not). I would not lynch him today.
I have some difficulties to understand what he means to say honestly. On this point I really enjoyed Palmar comments about nobody speaking the same language in this game. Holyflare is for example making reading this thread very difficult for me ^^
I'll check his filter again tomorrow.
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On March 20 2014 09:33 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2014 09:29 Djodref wrote:On March 20 2014 09:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 20 2014 09:11 Djodref wrote:On March 20 2014 08:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Wait Djodref. Why is any vote on you more townie or unimportant than any other? You mean the Koshi vote ? I found him very straightforward and open in the way he voted me. He pointed out at my demand what he found scummy in my play and warned me that I should step up my game. I didn't do it and I feel like I got what I deserved. Thrawn and Oats votes are less explanatory. They are all voting for you for exactly same reasons and it's easily to be seen from their posts. They may have the same reasons but they didn't have the same way of doing it. From my point of view, it could be convenient for them to just put down their vote on me if they were mafia. And to answer to thrawn, I need to see more from Oats to read him properly, he looked quite townish until he decided to put down his vote on me and went to bed. As for you thrawn, I was worried about your activity level until you started to post more tonight. I have you more on the townie side with your latest posts. But this is as well downgraded by the fact that you have your vote on me. this makes less sense than i thought... you're reading koshi as town, koshi votes you, but you previously read him as town so his vote is ok oats was looking townish until his vote, which was scummy thrawn is more on the townie side but his vote is scummy I don't understand why you are ignoring koshi's vote "because he looked town" while you are holding thrawn/oats votes against them even though you were also townreading them before the votes.
No, the main reason for which I think his vote is ok is that his processus for voting me was really open and straightforward. He explained me why he thought I was scummy, asked me to step up my game and then voted me because of my lack of stepping up I guess.
In comparison, Oats went from
"Djo is looking like he is avoiding to speak about what's happening in the thread" to "Djo is scum" to "vote" and "die scum" in a very short span of time. The processus made the difference. And also Oats lacked of posts and townieness compared to Koshi.
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Before really going to bed this time, I just wanted to say that I really appreciated DP latest posts and especially this one after he read my filter.
On March 20 2014 09:29 DarthPunk wrote:OK i just read Djo's filter and he acts super weird around his rayn 'read' Show nested quote +On March 19 2014 17:52 Djodref wrote:On March 19 2014 09:50 DarthPunk wrote:On March 19 2014 09:46 Coagulation wrote:
so does that make rayn confirmed scum or confirmed bad? Rayn is pretty much town also. Do you really think rayn would fake this rage quit thing as scum? I don't. But I do think that he would care this much and be so convinced as town that he would do what he did. So yeah. Kiss and make up cuties. Although your hydra offends me and If I was a vig I would be viging you tonight no question. Sadly I don't have a gun. I'm catching up but I just wanted to mention that I think it is really an easy way to get an excuse to not contribute as scum. And if he was that much concerned about seals, regardless of his alignment, he could have mentioned it at this point (beginning of the game). On March 19 2014 06:18 Coagulation wrote:![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/ixwo69j.png) VE also drew something similar and rayn didn't react at that point. My point is, you shouldn't base your assessment of rain's alignment on this. It doesn't make him look good from my point of view. His first post in and he is discrediting my town read of rayn which honestly is heavily influenced by playing with rayn a lot so I kind of like this post for a couple of reasons. He is participating in a discussion of current events in the thread. He is calling someone scummy which in my experience of him he doesn't love to do as scum. Show nested quote +On March 19 2014 22:28 Djodref wrote:On March 19 2014 19:38 Koshi wrote:On March 19 2014 19:32 Djodref wrote:On March 19 2014 19:29 Koshi wrote:
HF DP Vivax GiggleTummy Alakaslam Djodreff
↑ People who are scummy. How is Alakaslam scummy ? And what about me also by the way ? Give me your opinion on rayn in 2-3 lines pls. I don't like how rayn is pushing his lynch targets, I think he is spending more time arguing for the sake of arguing instead of presenting sound arguments which would convince us to lynch Coag/Hopeless/GT with him. The flip of Coag makes him look bad imo, given the time he spent arguing with him, and I don't understand why he didn't notice the drawn seal the first time if he was ready to AFK the game for it. I don't understand what he has against Hopeless exactly and I wouldn't mind him explaining again. The scooby doo thing looks minor to me but I honestly don't want to read a previous game. tl;dr rayn is rather scummy for me at the moment More accusations of rayn. Even though I disagree with him I like that he is accusing SOMEBODY and that he is participating. Show nested quote +On March 19 2014 22:51 Djodref wrote:On March 19 2014 22:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Djodref tell me, you have no idea of my meta so does it bother you you (who have not played wwith me) call me mafia for something and the people who have played with me do not call me mafia for it? Well, I didn't call you mafia for your reaction to the seal. I wanted to let DP know that his reasoning to pin you town was bad from my point of view and that I wouldn't trust him on that. Here he is going from rayn is scummy to "actually I just didn;t want DP to give you a town read' Don't like it. Djo in my experience hates taking firm stances on whom he thinks is mafia His next post on the surface appears good and productive but it's kind of weird also at the start he makes some points about why he thinks rayn is 'suspicious' I don't necessarily agree with what he is saying but I like that he saying things and trying to scumhunt. The odd part happens after that. Show nested quote +On March 19 2014 23:24 Djodref wrote:On March 19 2014 22:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 19 2014 22:51 Djodref wrote:On March 19 2014 22:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Djodref tell me, you have no idea of my meta so does it bother you you (who have not played wwith me) call me mafia for something and the people who have played with me do not call me mafia for it? Well, I didn't call you mafia for your reaction to the seal. I wanted to let DP know that his reasoning to pin you town was bad from my point of view and that I wouldn't trust him on that. I don't know if it's just me but to me it looks like that's exactly why you are calling me mafia. So if you would clarify why you in fact are calling me mafia it would help me figuring out your alignment. I'm suspicious of you for several reasons. - You pinned Coag as mafia for one useless post and a point about kush's meta.
=>How could you be so sure it was kush posting ?
- You spent a lot of time arguing with Coag and clarifying some minor points, and it was messing up the thread from my point of view.
=>Why didn't you bring up new arguments ?
- You announce that you go AFK because of the seal thing, when they were already seals drawned in thread way before
=>Looked too easy for me
- I didn't understand where Hopeless was lying.
That being said, the post of Coag was indeed scummy, but it is a little not enough much for me to spend so much time and thread space about it. Also I don't think it's a good idea to lynch you today because of your activity and also because I don't feel like I could push a lynch on you. And you have good points about GT. tl;dr I don't trust you, you are potential mafia on my list, but I would rather lynch someone else today.Could you answer me why you chose to support an Hopeless lynch instead of a GT lynch ? He goes here is all the reasons I think you are scummy. But here is the reasons I don't want to lynch you today despite, up until this point only talking about you bieing scum and nothing else. He says he doesn't want to lynch rayn because he couldn't get the lynch off. Not because he has changed his read, because he still calls Rayn mafia in that same post, but then he wants to sheep rayn and both of the lynches rayn has been pushing. That makes no fucking sense at all. Show nested quote +On March 20 2014 08:56 Djodref wrote:I have read the whole thread again and I don't think that rayn could be mafia anymore. I don't like how Oats and thrawn voted me for the lynch with little justification. I would expect thrawn to be more active to push my lynch over GT as well. I don't mind Koshi voting me that much because I believe he is town and I know I didn't do much. I'd be happy to get behind a GT lynch today for self preservation mainly. Also I wouldn't be surprised if we have at least 3 mafia members in the pool of less active players in this game. Which I'm fully aware of belonging to. I'm not mafia though I'll try to give better input tomorrow before the lynch and also my paintings if I get behind a proper computer. I got to go to bed now though but I'll hang around a little more. See you tomorrow guys! Later he says he doesn't think rayn is scum after all. He has done nothing but call rayn scum or argue with rayn the entire game, all of a sudden rayn is not scum due to a 'reread' what could he have possibly read to completely reverse his only scum read and the only thing he has spoken about all game? He sheeps a wagon his precious number one scum read was pushing when he was his number one scum read. Basically I want to lynch one of Djo or GT today. I want poofter to answer my fucking questions. Then I will be a happy panda.
It shows he is really trying to figure the game right now and I think it's a rather fair assessment of my filter.
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On March 20 2014 16:10 Oatsmaster wrote:Why arent we lynching Djo? He's calling people town for having a bad read. + Show Spoiler +On March 20 2014 09:49 Djodref wrote:Before really going to bed this time, I just wanted to say that I really appreciated DP latest posts and especially this one after he read my filter. Show nested quote +On March 20 2014 09:29 DarthPunk wrote:OK i just read Djo's filter and he acts super weird around his rayn 'read' On March 19 2014 17:52 Djodref wrote:On March 19 2014 09:50 DarthPunk wrote:On March 19 2014 09:46 Coagulation wrote:
so does that make rayn confirmed scum or confirmed bad? Rayn is pretty much town also. Do you really think rayn would fake this rage quit thing as scum? I don't. But I do think that he would care this much and be so convinced as town that he would do what he did. So yeah. Kiss and make up cuties. Although your hydra offends me and If I was a vig I would be viging you tonight no question. Sadly I don't have a gun. I'm catching up but I just wanted to mention that I think it is really an easy way to get an excuse to not contribute as scum. And if he was that much concerned about seals, regardless of his alignment, he could have mentioned it at this point (beginning of the game). On March 19 2014 06:18 Coagulation wrote: VE also drew something similar and rayn didn't react at that point. My point is, you shouldn't base your assessment of rain's alignment on this. It doesn't make him look good from my point of view. His first post in and he is discrediting my town read of rayn which honestly is heavily influenced by playing with rayn a lot so I kind of like this post for a couple of reasons. He is participating in a discussion of current events in the thread. He is calling someone scummy which in my experience of him he doesn't love to do as scum. On March 19 2014 22:28 Djodref wrote:On March 19 2014 19:38 Koshi wrote:On March 19 2014 19:32 Djodref wrote:On March 19 2014 19:29 Koshi wrote:
HF DP Vivax GiggleTummy Alakaslam Djodreff
↑ People who are scummy. How is Alakaslam scummy ? And what about me also by the way ? Give me your opinion on rayn in 2-3 lines pls. I don't like how rayn is pushing his lynch targets, I think he is spending more time arguing for the sake of arguing instead of presenting sound arguments which would convince us to lynch Coag/Hopeless/GT with him. The flip of Coag makes him look bad imo, given the time he spent arguing with him, and I don't understand why he didn't notice the drawn seal the first time if he was ready to AFK the game for it. I don't understand what he has against Hopeless exactly and I wouldn't mind him explaining again. The scooby doo thing looks minor to me but I honestly don't want to read a previous game. tl;dr rayn is rather scummy for me at the moment More accusations of rayn. Even though I disagree with him I like that he is accusing SOMEBODY and that he is participating. On March 19 2014 22:51 Djodref wrote:On March 19 2014 22:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Djodref tell me, you have no idea of my meta so does it bother you you (who have not played wwith me) call me mafia for something and the people who have played with me do not call me mafia for it? Well, I didn't call you mafia for your reaction to the seal. I wanted to let DP know that his reasoning to pin you town was bad from my point of view and that I wouldn't trust him on that. Here he is going from rayn is scummy to "actually I just didn;t want DP to give you a town read' Don't like it. Djo in my experience hates taking firm stances on whom he thinks is mafia His next post on the surface appears good and productive but it's kind of weird also at the start he makes some points about why he thinks rayn is 'suspicious' I don't necessarily agree with what he is saying but I like that he saying things and trying to scumhunt. The odd part happens after that. On March 19 2014 23:24 Djodref wrote:On March 19 2014 22:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 19 2014 22:51 Djodref wrote:On March 19 2014 22:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Djodref tell me, you have no idea of my meta so does it bother you you (who have not played wwith me) call me mafia for something and the people who have played with me do not call me mafia for it? Well, I didn't call you mafia for your reaction to the seal. I wanted to let DP know that his reasoning to pin you town was bad from my point of view and that I wouldn't trust him on that. I don't know if it's just me but to me it looks like that's exactly why you are calling me mafia. So if you would clarify why you in fact are calling me mafia it would help me figuring out your alignment. I'm suspicious of you for several reasons. - You pinned Coag as mafia for one useless post and a point about kush's meta.
=>How could you be so sure it was kush posting ?
- You spent a lot of time arguing with Coag and clarifying some minor points, and it was messing up the thread from my point of view.
=>Why didn't you bring up new arguments ?
- You announce that you go AFK because of the seal thing, when they were already seals drawned in thread way before
=>Looked too easy for me
- I didn't understand where Hopeless was lying.
That being said, the post of Coag was indeed scummy, but it is a little not enough much for me to spend so much time and thread space about it. Also I don't think it's a good idea to lynch you today because of your activity and also because I don't feel like I could push a lynch on you. And you have good points about GT. tl;dr I don't trust you, you are potential mafia on my list, but I would rather lynch someone else today.Could you answer me why you chose to support an Hopeless lynch instead of a GT lynch ? He goes here is all the reasons I think you are scummy. But here is the reasons I don't want to lynch you today despite, up until this point only talking about you bieing scum and nothing else. He says he doesn't want to lynch rayn because he couldn't get the lynch off. Not because he has changed his read, because he still calls Rayn mafia in that same post, but then he wants to sheep rayn and both of the lynches rayn has been pushing. That makes no fucking sense at all. On March 20 2014 08:56 Djodref wrote:I have read the whole thread again and I don't think that rayn could be mafia anymore. I don't like how Oats and thrawn voted me for the lynch with little justification. I would expect thrawn to be more active to push my lynch over GT as well. I don't mind Koshi voting me that much because I believe he is town and I know I didn't do much. I'd be happy to get behind a GT lynch today for self preservation mainly. Also I wouldn't be surprised if we have at least 3 mafia members in the pool of less active players in this game. Which I'm fully aware of belonging to. I'm not mafia though I'll try to give better input tomorrow before the lynch and also my paintings if I get behind a proper computer. I got to go to bed now though but I'll hang around a little more. See you tomorrow guys! Later he says he doesn't think rayn is scum after all. He has done nothing but call rayn scum or argue with rayn the entire game, all of a sudden rayn is not scum due to a 'reread' what could he have possibly read to completely reverse his only scum read and the only thing he has spoken about all game? He sheeps a wagon his precious number one scum read was pushing when he was his number one scum read. Basically I want to lynch one of Djo or GT today. I want poofter to answer my fucking questions. Then I will be a happy panda. It shows he is really trying to figure the game right now and I think it's a rather fair assessment of my filter. His read on me is total shit. His explanation is not at all how it happened and I did the exact same thing as koshi did so why he calling me scum for it? Like this post, he implies that I look town until me and thrawn vote Show nested quote +And to answer to thrawn, I need to see more from Oats to read him properly, he looked quite townish until he decided to put down his vote on me and went to bed.
As for you thrawn, I was worried about your activity level until you started to post more tonight. I have you more on the townie side with your latest posts. But this is as well downgraded by the fact that you have your vote on me Which makes me think he is calling me scum for trying to lynch town but thats clearly not the case. The later explanations of our votes being not so clear is totally bullshit and backtracking. The most convincing thing for me is that he accepts DP's analyzation of his filter which was that he was scum and even calls DP townier because of that. Dp, tehpoofter is reasonably answering your inquires man, get off his back for today at least. Giggle or Djo?
I'm calling DP town because the post you quoted of him that I liked showed that he read my filter in detail and really weighed the pros and cons to determine my alignment. Why do you call this post a bad read ?
And also can you tell me again what are your exact reasons to have your vote on me ? Because I'm not sure to know what exactly decided you when I read your filter, and I would like you to state it clearly.
Make me some bullet points plz 
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Also I forgot to say that I know that my filter looks like shit atm and I understand why you could have voted me as town, as well I can undertsand that the conclusion of DP post is that I'm more on the scum side that the town side (even if I got the feeling that DP has not a definitive scumread on me).
But I'm not sure if your votes are town vote or convenient scum votes so that's why I want you to state very clearly why you are pushing my lynch so everyone can work something out of it.
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@Holyflare
I don't think DP is going to get lynched today, and I would certainly not vote him at the moment.
I'm surprised you didn't really mention me yet as I have him as town right now (and also because I'm a real potential lynch for today).
Do you really expect people to lynch DP today ? If yes, please tell me who do you expect to join your wagon, because I certainly I'm not.
Also I want you to give your views about the most likely lynch targets for today, i.e. GT, poof and me.
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On March 20 2014 18:59 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2014 02:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 20 2014 02:45 Palmar wrote:On March 20 2014 02:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Palamr Giggletummy not posting a case right after promising to do so is not alignment indicative. There is no reason for mafia to clearly promise posting a case and then just not do it. They know they will be called out of it so what's the point? If mafia calls someone scum they know they are expected to post reasoning for it. It's not like he did not know what to say and just left because he could not follow up his earlier post.
I think it's bad logic to think so. rayn you're a dumbass. Mafia knows they get called out on contradictions, posting reads with no reasoning, lurking and various other things THEY STILL DO. All of these things are really obvious and can be avoided very easily. Yet we still lynch scum based on them all the time. My logic is great. Unless GT flips town in which case it was you bad logic that led to the lynch and I had nothing to do with it. What i am trying to say is that the act in itself is not alignment indicative. The reasons behind them might be. You know, basic stuff. The reasons behind them is that it's really fucking hard to create legitimate cases as mafia, so they give up on it all the time and put it off. It's like homework. Mafia doesn't like homework, they like partying and shooting people.
This post decided me to sheep Palmar on GT's lynch. And of course also self-preservation
I'd like to add a few more reasons I have for the GT's lynch
- low activity
- the case on HF is more describing what HF did rather than properly underlying why HF actions were scummy. It looks like GT had some difficulties to write a case with good arguments. A bad homework I would say.
- even after the case, he is spending more time talking about irrelevant coag/kush stuff => no scumhunting
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On March 20 2014 21:41 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2014 21:35 DarthPunk wrote:On March 20 2014 21:31 Oatsmaster wrote:
Hey palmar, do you think Holyflare is right on DP? And if so, does that mean that GT is town?
Do YOU think holyflare is right? I dont like that you dont want to lynch Djo and you keep repeating the same thing about GT. Some of his case was ok and made sense.
By the way, could you write down your main points against me ? I'd like to discuss what you have against me if you don't mind.
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This game has been about apples and bananas
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The Vivax lynch looks legit. I'm gonna check the timestamps by myself and I'll change my vote.
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On March 21 2014 00:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why would you say you change the vote if you are not sure if you trust me or not?
It's not like you say "i'll check this out, if it's right it's good." You just say "i'll check this out myself and then i'll vote for him".
lol
That's what I meant. No need to be picky on semantics like this.
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On March 21 2014 00:40 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2014 00:39 DarthPunk wrote:On March 21 2014 00:38 Holyflare wrote:
Djod, hopeless, giggle, vivax mafia
What? You are now confirmed town in order to not ruin this game. Why are you complaining?
Actually I'm town so you can go on and have fun tunneling DP
But seriously don't
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I'm here back from work and finally at home. I'm fine with Vivax lynch even if I haven't properly caught up with the thread yet.
I have skimmed through it and I don't feel like I missed anything major since rayn push on Vivax.
Preparing my MS paint vote now
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On March 21 2014 05:14 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2014 05:14 Djodref wrote:I'm here back from work and finally at home. I'm fine with Vivax lynch even if I haven't properly caught up with the thread yet. I have skimmed through it and I don't feel like I missed anything major since rayn push on Vivax. Preparing my MS paint vote now do you think vivax will flip mafia?
Rayn case was pretty damning. Vivax latest posts are making me doubting a little bit but I have good hopes he'll flip mafia.
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On March 21 2014 05:22 Giggletummy wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2014 05:19 Djodref wrote:On March 21 2014 05:14 thrawn2112 wrote:On March 21 2014 05:14 Djodref wrote:I'm here back from work and finally at home. I'm fine with Vivax lynch even if I haven't properly caught up with the thread yet. I have skimmed through it and I don't feel like I missed anything major since rayn push on Vivax. Preparing my MS paint vote now do you think vivax will flip mafia? Rayn case was pretty damning. Vivax latest posts are making me doubting a little bit but I have good hopes he'll flip mafia. Can you point to a post or two that push towards townie?
This post feels genuine to me and it's making doubting my decision a little, but I know you could use your own angry and disabused emotions as a lynched scum to produce something like this.
On March 21 2014 04:49 Vivax wrote:
I'm still not caught up with the thread, I'm also tired today, and I don't see how I can save myself from this lynch.
I give up and I don't want to play this game anymore, I'm tired of getting called scum whenever I have a life outside of this fucking game compared to people like rayn. Get this over with and I hope it's going to make you feel extremely satisfacted to see me flipping green you bad bastards.
Hope scum wins this game, this town doesn't deserve to win. I gave you scum on a silver plate and you rejected it for some shitty reasoning.
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